Sarcastically Explained - RWBY Volume 9
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- What. A. Volume. Let's take a minute to take a look back. This is RWBY Volume 9 Sarcastically Explained.
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It was me. I delayed RWBY Volume 9.
Thank you. It was worth it in the end
IT WAS I DIO WHO DELAYED THIS VIDEO
Wait what do you mean by that? How could you have anything to do with the delay?🤔
How could you
IT WAS ME, BARRY!
I'm the one who posted the Moai emoji!
“Was Tais harem actually Summers harem?”
I love how a lot of the fandom has switched to *Summer* banged all of STRQ
No, they were a polycule so they were all banging each other (minus Qrow/Raven)
Why not?…😂
we never knew she got the attitude lol some of us always thought she was like the socially awkward shy type of girl but turns out it's the opposite
@@stefania0497 that assumption likely stemmed from the way her face was always hidden in the earlier volumes.
I love that Oscar shows as a hallucination just to get killed.
Why does the CRWBY love hurting the farm boy?!
Even when he’s not really there, he’s getting hurt.
Oscar: What is my purpose?
CRWBY: You suffer.
Oscar: Oh my Brothers.
Because they can?
It doesn’t bother me. 🤷🏻♀️ Never liked Oscar tbh.
"I totally jinxed it. Mistakes were made. It won't happen again"
Bullsht! You're like the Simpsons of RWBY. Everything you say in passing or as a joke ends up happening
I would like to mention that none of rubys friend ever apologised to ruby. Juane neve said sorry for yelling at her her team mates never apologised for not being there for her when she needed it most like they hug and everything but like really that’s it. T-T hopefully they addressed this in the next volume
Jaune apologized immediately after snapping at Ruby. "I'm sorry. I'm not okay, I'm not right! But who am I supposed to be...?"
"And Jaune says what we were all thinking" Blacksun shippers would like a word with you. Lol
11:20 well at least he got a very messed up point for RoseGarden.
We know for certain at least one of episode was planned for but not released because Summer Rose’s model credit sheets has Episode 11 written on them.
I think it was rumored 1-8 were kept more or less as the same (originally neo force fed Ruby the tea in an earlier draft) and then the remaining 6 were condensed into 2 episodes
The last scene of the volume. As the group and in Vacuo we hear a remix “This will be the day we’ve waited for this will be the day we open up the door.” As they walked though the portal to when they were needed the most. That hit me hard. Made me think how far back Monty and Jeff used music to foreshadow plot points.
I just about screamed the first time I listened to I May Fall after volume 8
14:19 I don't have to. I figured this sht out last volume, when Neo did the exact same thing for the first time to Ren by turning into Nora. *That* was my wake up call as to how psychotic this woman really is
That was something else. I always thought Tsundere Birb Mom was a joke, Crumbling Cube, but you people nailed it!
At this point I should joke my way into winning the lottery
@@CrumblingCube Why not try?
Overall this was a great Volume. My only true issue is that the stakes are fleeting. Using your issues with ascension as an example: the leaves just let you communicate with the tree and the tree is basically a therapist that lets you face your insecurities and guides you toward a healthy choice(choosing to live on in Ruby's case.). The most horrifying scene of the volume goes from truly disturbing to "Ruby goes to therapy".
It's an issue of presentation. While I like the whole 'the antagonist doesn't actually understand Ascension and thus accidentally helps the protagonists' angle, it doesn't work on first viewing without showing the paper pleasers result _before_ Neo's plan works and confirming it isn't just death for Remnant natives. Edited for clarity.
It feels a bit like RWBY has been a saga of dealing with grief issues ever since the end of volume 3. We got the Jaune moment with the statue in volume 6, and now in volume 9, it was Ruby's turn. So I expect volume 10 will include the story from the other side concurrent with volume 9, and then volume 11 will be the fight for Vacuo. If they get made. And they better get made. I need them to get made.
I can tell you're going to have a blast doing the next RWBY thoughts on chapter 9. 😏
0:58 to be fair, RWBY has been an isekai ever since the Blazblue crossover
I swear if at some point they drop by the ruined dorm room and there is a red gemstone floating there, that'd blow my mind.
7:26 “rabbit deer thing”. Seriously, has no one ever heard about jackalopes before?
Outside of North America? Generally no. Plus it's somewhat unusual knowledge even in NA.
@@Sorain1 well I guess if I’m honest I think the only reason I knew about it was that a clothing shop my dad frequented when I was a kid had a taxidermy “jackalope” as a decoration.
Somebody should keep a tally Of number of times This guys predicted the future
the more likely scenario with Ruby's ... tea party, let's call it, is that the writers wanted to get the point across that "Even if the world seems to be against you, that you feel alone and everyone wants you to be someone else, remember that you always have friends and family that always care about. You are enough". But CRWBY being CRWBY, failed to get that point across clearly without any potential missinterpretation.
hey, could've been worse. they could've made Ruby choose another weapon and be reborn as someone else. that would've been really fucked up (unless there was some sort of reversal like Jaune's age towards the end or something).
This volume was fantastic on a lot of levels, with some hiccups here and there. I think suicidal Ruby is one of those areas where they took some missteps, despite coming really close to nailing it. The biggest concern is if they suggested any sort of “power up through suicide” ( like Genlock ). I don’t think the whiffed it like that, but there were some problems.
The ordering of certain scenes was an issue for me. I don’t think Ruby bought the happy ever after in take on Ascension when she drank the tea. My impression was both she and Neo believed it would be death or Super Death. The paper pleasers explanation right before chapter 8 muddled this a bit for the viewers.
Chapter 9 was *really* problematic for me. The team responses felt odd, and seeing the gem beings should have validated Jaune’s concerns about the tree ( at least when dealing with humans ). Then they stopped Yang from attempting to break Ruby free from the tree. Knowing what they did at that point I think the only reason they should have hesitated from pulling her out was if they thought it was likely to kill/veggify Ruby. Otherwise they were risking their friend to forces unknown.
I think the interactions with the Smith were pretty spot on. The Smith encountered Ruby, helped guide her through her distress, and left her in a state where she was ready to face her challenges again. And I *still* don’t get how the scene with the gem folks got them to the tree.
Ruby coming out of the tree physically unchanged was a huge relief for me. Volume 10 followup will be essential for me to decide if they did the subject matter justice or not. At the moment I’m on board with the interpretation that Ruby’s time with the tree was equivalent to surviving a suicide attempt and receiving some initial therapy, even if the process was fantastically condensed.
there is a story I read many years ago, it mentioned that when a person died, before they faced judgement, they got a visit to the tree, which upon its many branches, hung the burdens of every other person. And you would have the opportunity of checking them out, and trading your burden for someone else's. But the conclusion stated that every person reclaimed their own, as no one else had a burden that was any better or lighter than your own. Ruby went through that. She thought she did not want to be herself anymore, but learned that she did not in fact want to be anyone except herself. That is a HUGE lesson to learn, and it was handled magnificently.
They didn’t seem to really have time in the last couple episodes to have a proper discussion about it all. It felt kinda rushed to the end goal so I really hope in vol 10 that whatever is going on with Vacuo doesn’t keep them from discussing this with Ruby. Like they really should talk about it, so they can take steps to make sure Ruby is getting whatever help is needed. There is no way she is just 100% good. I’m glad she chose herself, but she will still need to work through her issues.
Vol10 stuff I want to see:
I like the message of Ruby choosing herself as enough, but I really hope Ruby talks to her friends/sister about it. I hope they all decide to make some changes. Let Ruby know she really can talk to them, rely on them more so all the burden isn’t on her.
I want there to have been enough of a time skip(3months-1 year) where everyone thought they died, and have been doing their best to keep going. Maybe even have a memorial for them all. Clearly Ruby’s message worked in bringing together the kingdoms. It would be also interesting to see how Ruby after vol 9 takes it all in. She might feel hope after having thought her message was a wasted effort, but also the other kingdoms might have made her into a martyr. Also I want to see how everyone changed from Vacuo and their friends probable death. For some like Ren and Nora they had already lost a team member, what will losing Jaune do to them? And for Oscar I presume he remembered Ruby’s words about keep fighting because the one’s she lost would keep fighting if it were her. So I’d like to see him step up more as a leader. I wonder how Emerald fits into this. Oscar really defended her so I assume she would be friends with him, but, does she become close to Ren and Nora too? Winter must be dealing with a lot of pressure as the winter maiden. Also was Lewis an Ozcarnation? Could he have some idea that they fell to the Ever After and therefore might be alive?
As for Qrow and Tai they must feel devastated at the loss of their family. They probably even blame themselves. What will they do when they find out about Raven knowing Summer’s fate? I presume Ruby will tell Yang and the spring maiden thing will come out too. I think it’s even possible Yang’s “death” moved Raven enough to actually help. Maybe she’s even in Vacuo. Which would make for an interesting confrontation. I think that night Raven portaled to Salem. I think she played double agent for a time getting close to Salem for that purpose. Then things went wrong and she left Summer or was forced to leave her behind. I’m real interested in knowing what happened.
Some familiar faces would be nice to see. CFVY, SSSN(Sun has grown on me), Glynda, Blake’s family, Weiss’s family, etc.
According to the preview epilogue, Team RWBY have been made into Idols in Vacuo and everyone thinks they are dead. Everyone looks older, too
Also, Since theres a book about it, team SSSN and CFVY will most likely appear
6:05 all I'll say is: their time in the ever sfter can summed up as
Ruby and Jaune: emotional pain and trauma. Like, so much trauma.
Weiss: wants to get out of his nonsensical fairy tale world and back to her logical and very real world of fighting an immortal witch and her army of shadow cohorts with dust and melee weapons that also dub as guns.
Blake and Yang: having the time of their lives (RIP Sun)
Well, Weiss understands the logic of her own world. It's the logic of 'normal' to her. Sure, it's not always a logic she likes, but it's understood. Meanwhile the Ever After spits in the face of that logic with sadistic glee.
2:25 add another “what the hell CruncyRoll?” from me, which tripled when I discovered the subtitles were there were other languages!
Yep! I know a bit of French, so I read those... but even then they were still sometimes incomplete for when the Jabberwalker was talking.
9:35 ....Ferdie?
RIP Billy Kametz
9 was mixed. At times it felt really fresh and creative, others it felt really who thought this was good. Wait, didn't other people fall at the end of 8? If so what happened to them?
It think 10 will be the second last season the gathering of forces and 11 the bring the fight to Salem. Hope for an episode to show what the rest were doing while they were doing volume 9.
Oh they dead. Cinder's blasts break the aura of experienced hunstman in one hit, if you don't have aura you internal organs are slushie.
"Are we missing an episode?" Yes, 3 of them actually. 3 of them were cut for the RWBYxDC crossover.. I wish I was making this up.
Which was absolutely garbage, kinda wish the movie was based on one of the books, like Roman Holiday, to give more context to episode 8
7:26 "rabbit here"
Close enough. That's a jackalope, a mythological creature that's basically a rabbit with antlers
I don't like how they gave Jaune a dagger that took his lv 50 or 45 stat to a lv 18 or 20 and make him drop his better armor to only have his old upper body armor and his shit hair cut....his hair....!!!! WHYYYYYYYY!!!!! HE WAS SHAFTED
Yeah, I wish they had left him with Knight’s armor (albeit shiny and new, not rusted ).
Actually I wished they hadn’t de-aged him, here’s hoping they don’t forget to show the impact of his decades of isolation and experience even if he looks young.
I heard 2 episodes got the chopping block which makes sense because the last few episodes have some crazy pacing. I think they could have really used at least one of those. I feel like the tone after THAT episode was big whiplash. I think the thing with Neo wanting her to drink the tea was Neo not really understanding ascension and taking it automatically as a bad thing or at the least she could make Ruby erase herself. I think Neo realized that was wrong when Ruby comes back as herself.
“Is there an episode missing or something?” Well considering this volume is roughly 4-5 episodes shorter then all the others, and those episodes would roughly make up and hour and 20 minutes…. AND there just so happens to be a crossover movie that’s an hour 20 minutes long….. It makes me *HMMMMMMM* (while the movie was fun I, and probably everyone else, would’ve preferred a longer v9 instead)
Kinda like with Penny’s death last volume, my final opinion on Ruby’s “death” will really depend on what happens next volume, because I get they probably didn’t have time both production wise and in-universe, and it’s a very serious and real topic. But Ruby feeling so broken, alone and beaten down she wants to *kill herself* kinda needs to be addressed like, AT ALL by the other characters (and even though it’s not a hard bar to beat, I’d say these topics were handled better here then GL s2)…. although I’d say the volume did a pretty good job with the characters otherwise
One opportunity I felt they missed was getting Jaune's sword repaired at the Blacksmith's workshop and or getting their weapons upgraded, but it's more likely now that they've had the chance to work through "some" of their personal issues we'll see their semblances evolve in Volume 10( Hopefully).
“Never trust maya engine Pyrrha” never have more truer words been said….
Ascension was a metaphor for therapy. Problem is it was a metaphor for all therapy good and bad. With the Paper Pleasers we see the good in them working through their stuff and becoming better. With Neo trying to force Ruby to ascend we see the bad with her trying to beat Ruby down with her issues and force her to be someone else.
Also, since Ascension physically changes the individual at times Neo wanted to completely wipe the existence known as Ruby Rose from existence by making her want to change into someone completely different.
It does amuse me how horribly that could have backfired on Neo, and it didn't work out great for her here. You could get someone just as dedicated to torturing you for all eternity as vengeance for what _you've_ done as you were to hurting Ruby Neo.
16:05 "what's gonna happen to Neo" you ask? I don't know about you, but I'm going to get some cinders
I don’t actually have a problem with Ruby doing slip n slide via ascension tea. First of all, the paper pleasers only established that ascension is safe for afterans; as far as the audience and RWBY know, it’s death for people from Remnant. Additionally, as someone who has struggled with intense depression before, Ruby giving in and drinking the tea after all her worst instincts are confirmed, only to come back by embracing crescent rose and that she is in fact enough as herself, is a powerful message. I liked it a lot.
Ayyyyyy! Thanks for the shoutout at 3:40 🤣
I just had to XD
I missed your sarcastic reviews, man!
This Volume should’ve had more Silentknight- I mean Jaune and Neo interactions tbh
No amount of adorable can make that ok.
(Suddenly sees Neo making puppy dog eyes)
Ok so apparently there is an amount.
I love these videos you do on RWBY. Please tell me your going to do the videos on what certain characters think from volume 9, cause those videos bring me such joy and laughter.
As far as the interpretation of Ruby drinking the tea as a metaphor for suicide: We see that her therapy session with the Tree was all she really needed to be whole again. It shows that suicide is a permenant solution to a temporary problem and sometimes all you really need is to find someone to help you organize your thoughts and feelings.
I think this is why the volume put such ambiguity on wether assension was dying or not is to have Ruby drinking the tea being a sort of surrendering to the unkown in her darkest moment.
Funny how RT feels like the hole thing with the White fang and Faunus arc was too complicated for them.
So instead they decided to go with the idea of self, emotional trama, lazy self validation and shipping. And self improvement though Suicide! Like seriously what is up with the idea of Maine characters terminating themselves? This is the second time they’ve done this if you include GenLock season 2!
Doesn’t help that the rules for this are clear as mud.
I was so upset about the subtitles too!!!
Excellent overview. Your breakdowns are always of fantastic quality, while addressing some of the more problematic elements. I very much enjoyed Volume 9, but this volume should have had at least 13-14 episodes. I think we needed one more episode of "fairytale whimsy" before transitioning to the darker themes that may have lead more naturally into it. I feel we should have had a timeskip montage at some point, because the cat says they were trying to break Ruby down for "so long", but it was at most two to three days. I also think we needed one more episode between 8 and 10. It does seem like there was one more episode planned, but alas, it was scrapped.
I also love how your Thoughts series has actually reflected the characters to a rather good extent! I need to do a rewatch of those some time.
14:59 💀
11:22 can we get an Oscar gets owned counter here?
BTW, poor Oscar, only getting a brief moment in the volume before getting killed off.
Somehow, you made me laugh more than the actual volume 9 did.
"daww, whos an ador- dont care, give the murder ice cream the Kars treatment for what she did to our precious rose.
Thanks for the recap.
You forgot about the Rose Garden and Nuts & Dolts in episode 8
3:21 man it’s Ron who wins in the book, he’s supposed to be the witty/street smart/charlaton of the group
8:00 that konosuba edit is amazing thank you
1:00 or Rapunzel, what with the tower and dashing prince coming to save her and what not
Hey you used my jokes! :D (Also thanks for the timestamp. CH8 was nightmare fuel.)
*Lillie takes notes now* Queen Gambit.
Wait can I absorb stuff as well… Please.
To give SOME defense to the whole thing about how Team JWBY are acting in regards to Ruby's Ascension, there's a bit of a whiplash because JWBY didn't see what Neo put Ruby through. They don't know Ruby's broken mind. And currently, they do not have the perception that the tree is death.
Because they are still new to the Ever After, their perception of the tree is that they simply don't know. They hear Ascension is death and, at first, think that Jaune is being truthful about it, but the Paper Pleasers express that the Tree is a rebirth for them. Thus, to their mind, Ascension is not a suicide or death, but rather change and growth, thus rebirth. The optimistic belief.
It's not good because this is a heavy mood whiplash for the viewers. The viewers saw Ruby "kill" herself. But JWBY didn't, and therefore, their actions is weird to us.
11:35, yeah in the back of my mind I was thinking about that after that episode
It's been so long since I've seen a rwby video on this channel, thank you so much.👍👍😀
P.S. what were your true thoughts and feelings on volume 9, please answer.🙏
P.S.S # greenlight volume 10🙏🙏🥺
Happily Everafter not exactly… More Everafter crazy moments!!!!
I think to understand everything with Ruby's ascension, you have to understand what it is she actually wanted. She didn't want to die. She didn't actually want to be someone else. She wanted to be good enough. She just thought that she HAD to be someone else, because who she is now "isn't cutting it."
It's not about having to suffer and go through hell to accept yourself, it's not glorifying a suicide attempt. We had already established that ascension isn't death, at that point. It's really about Ruby's imposter syndrome and learning and accepting that who she is, Ruby Rose, is enough. She doesn't have to be some perfect, fairytale huntress, she doesn't have to be Summer Rose 2.0, she just has to be Ruby.🌹
In my interpretation of things, Ruby drinking the tea is more so a metaphor for attempting rather than committing, since we the audience know that ascension isn't death but Ruby herself doesn't (or at the very least is uncertain). Everything afterward with the Blacksmith/tree is a representation of what comes after attempting, ie. therapy. Ruby is approached by someone who helps her find the assurance that she is enough, and encourages her to keep going.
"Little is...no longer able to help." This is my brand of humor.
Was it a good volume? Yes, especially by RWBY standards. The Cat and Little were very fun characters, one as the competent, trickster villain and the other the emotional support mouse.
Did it really address the issues of previous volumes? Not really as for one, at no point is Ruby told HOW Penny died, I waited for that to come out, like maybe when Jaune was losing it and she was also losing it as it would have made for some good drama if he's accusing her of doing more harm then good and she claps back that she's hasn't killed friends before, but he's done it twice...but we didn't' get that, and most likely, it'll never be addressed on screen in volume 10 if we that does get produced.
With the other three, felt like they were underused and came off as really uncaring for Ruby as they either couldn't tell she was going through some stuff, or just didn't realize it was important enough to address BEFORE she blew up at them. Then there was the herbalist's weed induced self introspection which didn't actually address the meat of any of their issues. Weiss's question didn't even make sense as she's never wanted to NOT be a Schnee, her thing was REDEEMING the Schnee name, so it felt like the writers purposely gave them soft balls.
As for ascension, really feels like they had two people with very different ideas working on it, and that those two writers never agreed as while Ruby's beatdown was hard to watch, even as a RWBY critic, Neo's whole plan makes no sense as ascension ultimately helps-not destroys. She would have achieved the same result if she just bashed her over the head till she got amnesia and started going by Ruby Violet.
The end when the literal God of...everything essentially told them they're good enough and that they don't need to change themselves or their approach to their issues despite everything just felt like a slap in the face. It just reminded me of how static they are as back in volume 8, Watts laid out ALL of Cinder's faults, and she only listened for around 10 minutes. Here, Ruby's faced with all her failures...and a chance to not change herself, but change her approach...and she refuses.
Worse, Cinder not listening, not learning the lesson? That fits her role. She's a villain. When offered the same important self perspective, a hero must contrast with the villain who rejects that wisdom by accepting the wisdom. It's a natural part of good storytelling. There's so much that suffers for lack of narrative space to properly resolve it in, and the lingering sin from volume 4 onwards of the series, the one failing it keeps doing? Not using their time efficiently. I really hope they snap out of that _and_ get a Volume 10 to wrap things up in. Specifically the core threads and mysteries and conflicts. Everything side character/story you can do in spin off material _after_ you finish the main story... which if they botch the execution like this on a volume 10 _they won't get_ the chance to do.
As good a season as this was, it really is worrying that the most enjoyment I've had with this show is the one season where they straight-up abandoned the main story 😅
We need a video about what blake and yang were thinking during their love confessions
Ascension is basically reincarnation
Purrfect Vessel... 😹
Neo will return maybe In the next book
I have not see the show in awhile what is bumblebee more so the name origin?
13:16 I wish the cat was super op if they were suddenly gonna make him the bad guy instead of neo😅
The only thing i didn't like in VOL 9 was of Jaune reverting back to being 19 again, throughout the volume i wondered what would change with Jaune being....old (Since we don't know when the Fairytale came out Jaune could be 100, 300 or 500 Years or older than that) There would've been some stake to it, that with him older he has lost time to be with his team that he wouldn't get back but NOPE, the only thing they did was add some white streaks to his hair.
Why Rooster Teeth? Just why?
NEVER EVER trust Robbie Daymond. *E V E R*
Also Neo best character
Not gonna lie I didn’t want to go down the rabbit hole. Once I fell in I literally want to crawl out of it with my bare hands even if my hands bleed.
Accession is Growth
Skips to ozpin & Oscar bs.
Looks like V10 will not be green lit.
IM DYING I LOVE IT we will send u our ANgery Ruby Figure
Is rwby thoughts coming back?😢
Ruby based
It looks like I delayed rvb seaonson 19
It’s not your fault you just don’t know what day
Ok so is everyone just doing the ruby is homophobic joke am I the only one who believes this joke was dead on arrival because apparently someone misread the situation and I want to know who so I can hunt them with ounce of my being because it was just a fucking breakdown deep down she actually is supportive of that relationship so again who misread the situation and besmirched the idea of family is priority
Thank you for basically pointing out that this volume accomplished nothing. The messages were problematic, the characters did not learn from their mistakes, neo is freaking gone, and Ruby's conclusion is that she is enough--but if that was true, she wouldn't have failed so many times!
Gosh it's okay to admit you can't solve the biggest problems of life, we're only human. Why is that so freaking hard to say, CRWBY?!
People are saying it was good.
Why?
It did absolutely nothing!
And angst does not equal character development. No one came to a profound understanding in this volume, no one actually healed.
Ruby decided to accept herself is the same message the show has had since volume 1. When she wanted "normal freaking knees".
Only now it's worse because they're implying that after the kind of torture she went through, that would be how she would find peace.
Ask anyone who's been through that, and they'll tell you, that's not how it works!
ASusua they cut corners were they needed to take their time, and dragged out the walking and stupid filler parts where there was no reason to do so.
It was the worst volume, by far. And that's why most of the old fans have left the show.
I am so sick of angst being considered DEPTH by people who don't know anything about real trauma or real healing. Because people who have had those experiences know that you do not heal through more pain and more psychotic experiences. That's such a bad message to give viewers.
And the death--reincarnation method is the entire message of Ever After, it's like a cult. And Jaune would have been justified in trying to stop it, had they not gone back on their own message. I used to think they were in favor of LIVING and that reincarnation was supposed to be a curse, hello Oscar. I guess not now. And let's not forget the reincarnated people lost their memories.
So Yang is supposed to be okay with Ruby not knowing how she is, had that actually happened?
Yay, because Yang needed to be ABANDONED again. (Remember when everyone hated Raven for doing that to her sibling and daughter? I guess rules don't apply to Ruby.)
And it kind of offsets the previous volume's message that your pain can help you grow, if you FORGET YOUR LIFE, how exactly is that going to happen?
So thanks volume 9, you destroyed the previous volume;s meanings, you did nothing memorable except give us a Raven moment, and you were...like watching a drug trip.
I really don't care if people don't like me saying it, no one should be defending this, it was straight up toxic to make a message about SUICIDE being the solution.
And if you want to argue that it's not, then I ask, what is exactly the real life application of the message other than that?
You can't actually drink tea and forget who you are, in real life, and reincarnate...so...how is this going to help you? It bears no resemblance to healing in the real world. The kind that includes support from friends, family, and finding new joy in life, was not covered at all.
"Ask anyone who's been through that, and they'll tell you, that's not how it works!"
Me, someone whose been suicidal: That's not what the show was saying and what it was actually saying (Things will get better and you don't need to kill yourself to make things better) is exactly how I got through it.
Oh wait let me guess- I don't count right?
@KnightofChaosDeck I don't see what that has to do with my point that self acceptance doesn't cure grief, or torture from someone else, or despair because of failure.
I'm not sure you understood my original comment.
As for taking the message to be that things get better, that was not by any stretch the message the show was giving since the episode spelled it out quite clearly that Ruby needed to accept that "she was enough". I don't know what you're reading into it but that's their own words, so saying it's about not giving up is giving them more credit than I would.
But if you want to take it that way, you can. You can interpret something any way but that doesn't make it the writer's intention.
But your tone was already extremely passive aggressive like somehow I was attacking you personally which is ridiculous when you replied to me. So I'm not really going to listen to your take on something if you're just looking to start a fight.
I'm talking about a totally different topic from the material anyway and I don't like you putting words in my mouth about your life and calling that a valid point.
@@aslprincess3944
"As for taking the message to be that things get better, that was not by any stretch the message the show was giving since the episode spelled it out quite clearly that Ruby needed to accept that "she was enough". I don't know what you're reading into it but that's their own words, so saying it's about not giving up is giving them more credit than I would."
'Keep Moving Forward'.
That is a central theme to RWBY. The protagonists are characters who keep pushing forward with their lives and the antagonists are people stuck in place, unable to progress. The whole 'accepting yourself' thing is an aspect of it, because Ruby is stuck because of her refusal to do so.
This is the equivalent of saying 'why are you talking about the roots, I'm pointing at the branch!'
Furthermore, if we're talking about authorial intent- why are you characterizing Ruby's issue as solely or even primarily about grief? That is also just an aspect as the major issue was Ruby's own self esteem, something hinted as far back as Volume 6 at least (Volume 6 Episode 9 with Maria and Ruby in the garden after Ruby tries calling Qrow. 'Maria: You don't give yourself enough credit. Ruby: Heh, thanks. Maria: That wasn't a compliment.') If you believe in looking to authorial intent for discussions- why are you ignoring this aspect when it's quite clear THIS is the point?
This isn't an isolated thing either- You try saying they intended for the process to be bad and like a cult. But it's quite clear that the Ascension is not the same as Ozpin's deal AND no other Afterian, characters that actually KNOW what the process is like, indicate that the process is negative. So there is no way to argue these were intended by the creators. Same with saying Yang was abandoning Ruby (that isn't the same thing as Raven since Raven had easy access to Yang at all times whereas Yang CANNOT get to Ruby) or saying that Neo's torture was portrayed or could be logically taken as positive (her scene was using fucking HORROR tropes). You have a pattern of ignoring the intent to argue against this. You could call 'Death of the Author' except that is a concept that OPPOSES authorial intent since it argues that said intent is equally as valid as the reader's...and you use authorial intent as superseding interpretation.
Quite clearly- I don't think you believe a word you're saying. You contradict yourself so thoroughly that you must either be insane (as in, possessing a thought process that is incoherent to a normal person) which can't be true because you are capable of coherent messages. Or you're just saying things to justify your pre-made conclusions.
I also find it funny to disparage me for being passive aggressive but you being outright aggressive towards the creators is a-okay and totally doesn't disqualify you either.
P.S. an argument using authorial intent goes something like this-
'You imply that showcasing growth through suffering is bad. We can tell this from your focus on how Neo's torment lead to Ruby meeting the Blacksmith and thus recovering from her issues implies that Neo's torment was positive. Thus we can conclude that you believe that any story following the Hero's Journey is bad because a recurring theme in those stories is suffering leading to growth. This is utterly insane as the suffering in these stories are meant to reflect the suffering inherent to life and how overcoming the pain requires a person to grow stronger in some way.'
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Again, you're putting words in my mouth that I never said. I don't remember arguing whether the suffering was positive or negative. My entire point was that the solution of self actualization was a crappy solution that does not work in real life to heal from grief or trauma. Not without something else.
You mentioned being suicidal, and I have dealt with depression also in my life and have many people in my family and friend circle who have also. So speaking from experience, there is no quick solution like drinking tea and hallucinating something and then being told that you're fine the way you are. Everyone who is depressed does not feel fine and being told they are fine usually only makes it worse, not better.
Your point that the message is not to give up would work if the show acknowledged that Ruby was depressed and then gave her hope that things could get better, but, that is nowhere said or implied by the Tree, or her friends. They only say that she's enough the way she is. That does not fix losing Penny, losing her mother, or losing Atlas.
I also did not say Yang abandoned Ruby, but that Ruby was abandoning Yang, and as far as they knew, she would lose her MEMORIES when she came out of the tree, since the Prince, and the townspeople already had. Which means Ruby would not be the same person Yang knew, and effectively would be dead. Yang is oddly okay with that for someone who is supposed to love and support her sister.
I agree that the show has made Ruby's self image a focal point since vol 1, though I think they changed their approach. But it doesn't matter. Even if that is the message of the show, depicting someone basically committing suicide (she did not know she was going to come out of it the same) and then making that out to be a positive thing on the other side, is very problematic.
If you want to say the case was against her doing that, then I would agree only if the show didn't depict that everyone else who did it was better off. The prince (well actually they made him seem worse off, which showed they man the tree to be evil originally), the caterpillar, the star town things. So why weren't THEY enough the way they were? Why only Ruby?
The whole thing is inconsistent and manages to make Ruby look special. I used to like that Ruby didn't think she was that special, because it made her humble and grounded. But I don't see how confirming her messiah complex by saying that she's so good she doesn't need to change like the other characters is a good answer for her.
But even if it was, it would not change my complaints about how the show is handling grief, loss, and pain in a very weird, very unnatural way.
It comes down to this simple difference: I don't believe that people are always right. I don't believe that everything team RWBY did in vol 7-8, or even 6, was right. I would have appreciated the show finally holding them accountable for that, instead of again, trying to make them out to be flawless and they just need to believe in themselves.
They lied, they broke trust, they made mistakes. And that's fine, it's normal, but it's not normal to never own up to it.
Ruby herself does not need the pressure of being told she, the 16 year old, has it all together and doesn't need to change. That's the very thing she was being crushed by and why she went off on her friends for expecting so much of her. No one has all the answers.
That stupid blacksmith didn't give her any help. Just gave her her weapon and said 'good luck'. (Not sure what the point of meeting her was, everyone else could have told Ruby the same thing.)
I can tell we have very different ways of treating this show. But I personally do not value a message if it's built on flimsy footing, and I will continue to think the season was bad. If you got a better message out of it, I guess that's good for you, whatever encourages you to keep trying is a plus, but for me, I want them to actually construct the story in a logical way.
If I went into every reason the show did not make sense, it would take a whole essay and it's not something I want to do in a TH-cam thread.
Anyway, if you have read this far, thank you for your time, and your passion for the show, but because you keep insulting me in your comments and accusing me of saying things I have not said, I won't keep replying if you want to keep that going. I have better things I can do if you're going to make this toxic. A friendly debate would be one thing, but I don't insult people when I debate, and I don't like to encourage people who do that. I wish you the best enjoying your content, but would prefer if I'm allowed to have problems with it.
(I also am glad you acknowledged I cannot be insane based on how I write, that would be a real shame if I came off as crazy for disliking this season. I do think that the author's intentions are something I can be harsh on because I know some of the things they've siad about the current writing that I take issue with, but I would not directly attack their own personalities. Clearly they have very different standards for a story than I do, but I should have the freedom to disagree with them.)
@@aslprincess3944 Well maybe I was wrong to assume that about you (the dishonesty)
I liked Volume 9, it had spectacular visuals, music, vocal performances, and fight choreography. I am REALLY stoked that Bumbleby is now cannon. However, I don't really like the suicide is badass references, I think it did Neo's character a MAJOR disservice for her to be able to speak through her semblance, and as pretty as the Bumbleby kiss scene was, I wish it wasn't so ham fisted. I have no problem with the fact that they confessed, but I wish the universe didn't have to literally force them into a fanficy kiss or die scenario. (But it was my desktop wallpaper for a while after the episode aired.)
One last thing- Jaune spending 10-20 years on the ever after and then being aged down was an odd choice. He's now an adult in a teenager's body and all of his ships now have the baggage of a weird age gap but not thing going on. Kinda reminds me of the Starco fiasco from SVtFoE
@@youshouldreadmore6382 I've come to call that 'The Narnia Issue' because those books were where I first saw such an issue come up and then be utterly ignored.
Let Ruby cook she might be on to something 😂
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This season was filler.
I will be surprised if they reference any of this as everyone was slapped with a character pat of the back and all character growth potential ignored.
Bonus points for them leaving the Not-Wonderland area without the weapon needed to beat salem.
Tree leaves + fire = mist that forces you to work out your issues.
Salem - issues = Not immortal.
There you go! A way to make this season actually mean something!
Instead it is an entire season that does nothing, reflects on nothing, and even slaps people with a reset button to make sure that if anyone missed this season they would have missed nothing.
Like watching or not watching Justice League X Ruby... A cannon/non cannon movie that holds no importance to the plot or the characters.
I watched it in English not on crunchyroll
Why does everyone latch onto seeing Ruby as homophobic in that scene? She would have lashed out at ANYONE showing happiness in figuring something out, she was jealous of that basically.
That was pretty much my reading on it. Ruby is genuinely happy for them, but she's lashing out that they're so wrapped up in that they're ignoring the more immediate issues going on. It's not a fair assessment, but it's not a wrong one either.
Honestly. I’m done with the RWBY show. Same with Disney Star Wars. So I’m going back writing my own take. These people get paid to make it make it that badly. Why not write it for free on my own time for own entertainment? Everyone else is sharing their unfiltered thoughts these days, might as well jump in too.
Well...bye.
What? Follow up. What is gay paid?
@@compareandcontrast9833 *get paid
My bad
Im going to say it and i care not of the consciences i hate this, this whole season was underwhelming the animation was bad and the writing was terrible all felt like a huge filler season just awful and bumblebee was still the worst forced ship ever and if season 10 goes where i think its going i refuse to take part.