I Raced a 96 CR125 against modern 125s at AMCA championships
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- I decided to race my 96 CR125 in the final Moto at Warmingham lane this last weekend. I had gone 2-1 in the previous motos on my yz125. I’ve only ridden this bike twice so was keen to see what it would be like in race conditions. I really enjoyed it. Put my fastest lap in on the last lap of the race. Biggest difference was the bottom end power and brakes.
If you never experienced the power band on an old school CR 125 , it means business its not messing about and to me the fact that a mid 90s CR is still very competitive in Motorcross is absolutely no suprise . Its like unleashing hellfire on the throttle 😂
Nearly proof that EXTRA $3,000 - $4,500 on the price tag along with 27 years of "wasted" "unnecessary" technology and doodads are about worthless.
Never thought I would see a new 2-stroke 125cc be selling for $7,000 +/-.
Crazy!!
Not very dramatic are you?
It is only competitive against other 125 2-strokes, or so I thought before I found this off road vid.
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@@JohnDoeEagle1 2 bad things that happened that raised the cost of a bike. It is intervention of free enterprise that raises costs the most. The first intervention was the FIM and the 1986 production rule, that stopped development in the USA and tripled the cost of a bike in 5 years. The last was the 4-stroke forced on the industry by a dictatorship called the EPA. Both, should be illegal acts.
Holy crap. I seriously haven't enjoyed a race that much in years! You are railin' through those turns the more laps you put in. Thank you for sharing that with us!
Cheers mate 😁👊🏻
Hearing that engine wine reminded me of motorcoss madness 2
I feel your pain. I've been in the same situation..you put in a yeoman ride for 2nd but some alien disappears into the distance without even breaking a sweat.
He got him at the gate
that 52 must be an alien.
so refreshing to hear someone that can really run a clutch on a 125. you ride that thing beautifully
😆 my first race (nervous novice) at southwick. fried the clutch on my '92 RM 125 in the sand. no lie: that was how I learned what clutch plates were and how they worked (well...when I had to replace them anyway). 🤣😂🤣😅
The first thing i thought when the race went past turn 1 was, " damn! Dude can run a 2stroke!"
Right!?
The modern bike was pulling you on the straights but you got'em in the corners! Way to go!
Turns are for dough, jumps are for show
We watched a different race.
What straights? Only straight I saw was to the first turn.Perfect 125 track.
@@dougbloom3672.. not if you stay low..
Proof that there’s no problem with buying a older bike if it’s properly maintained!
The 90s was the peak of moto-x so it makes sense this bike performs as well as it does!
#Respect
To put it in perspective in 1996 after winning a race with this bike you couldn't go home and netflix and chill because there was no such thing. You could blockbuster and chill though. Don't forget to rewind that VHS though because dvd rental didn't hit main stream until late 90's. If you were lucky enough to have a cell phone you might have to extend its antenna first. Some people hadn't moved on from pagers yet and we still had wall hanging phones. File sharing over the internet for movies and music wasn't really a thing but "You Got Mail" was still popular and AOL diskettes and CD's were found in everyones mailbox. Also kids still played outside. That is how old this cr125 is. LoL
The GOOD days my man 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I would have to ask Jeeves if this is correct. awesome.
Always nice to hear 2-stroke power...i was riding competition in 1980 in Belgium on a 125 honda cr .thanks for uploading.
1996 CR125 was my first bike after 80cc suzuki 😁✊🏻💨
Thanks for your motivation
You are always showing no matter what conditions what tracks
You are example
Thanks for the kind words bud
Had a 98 CR80r , and a 2004 CR125r , damn those things were fast, that 80 would go 75mph, 2 strokes are superior
It’s been so long since I’ve raced. I literally got arm pump watching this video being the condition of the track and you being on a 96 CR125. My dad had the 250 and man I wish I could’ve rode it. I was on 80’s at the time.
Great stuff Nev, what a savage dry nasty looking track!!!
aye. not my kind of track for sure. I want loam or sand. I had a hard time picking ruts through his gopro, but he clearly had no issue.
My experience is that most of the evolution in motocross was during the 1980's and after that the most differences were mostly due to refining the design.
However it's what's between the ears that's most important to win now.
I laugh to myself when I see kids today on a 125 2-stroke roll on the throttle like a 4-stroke when exiting corners.
Yes, we used to have more talent. :)
Loved the instant power of the 2 stroke engine, had a Honda and Suzuki dirt bikes. Fun times racing!
I still have a 2007 CR125 .There is no power in that comparing to a SX125 from that period. I should sell it now, in my country they are sold for like 3000 euro. Bought it for 5000 in 2008. (It came from the US, we discovered that in the US the silencer is way smaller and has only one bolt to hold it. With the noise rules getting more important we needed to have a silencer with 2 bolts. (Standard on EU bikes already at that time.)
I always thought that the RM's were the weakest out of the bunch. I owned CR's in the late 80's early 90s. KX's were beasts.
Awesome riding! That last lap was mega, blowing through some of those ruts like they weren't even there 👊
Cheers bud. Got to learn the bike through the Moto 😁✊🏻💨
Wow! Must take some doing keeping her on the pipe on that hard pack.
I'm getting my 96 cr ready for super evo 125 foxhill vmxdn...do you have any jetting or gearing tips so I can stop abusing the clutch so much lol.
Cheers
Great ride! The 125 can be difficult to ride well, mistakes can set you back multiple corners. You had good lines I thought. Bike sounded good
Thanks. Yes escpecially on the old ones with no bottom end power. Fun bikes to race tho 😁
Well done! You rode the snot out of that CR, which is how 125s are supposed to be ridden.
Thanks bud ✊🏻💨
1996 - a great year for music and motocross bikes!
Hell yeah 💯💯💯🤝
I had a 92 and it ripped!.. Used some of the suggestions of Eric Gorr.. (if anyone ever heard of him).. I used to toast a lot of bikes that were newer.. loved it..
Anyone who ever owned this model already knows it a rocketship, hole shot snatching bike
Hell yeah bro. Old school rider myself. Glad to see others out there. I sure do miss the day's i did this. Great job bro
Nev, if u could please elaborate on the last statement in the description. It would be cool if you can rate those aspects (and any other characteristics of the two bikes) from 1 to 10 (10 being the best, in your experiences), I think a lot of viewers would appreciate your perspective. Thanks for posting and keep up the good work!
Hey buddy. I’m going to do a back to back lap comparing the 2 bikes 👊🏻
That freaking cr is screaming and tuned to perfection
Ultra crusty, hard pack track. Doesnt look fun with those concrete ruts.
Raced a ‘74 CR 125M. My other bike was a ‘75 XL 250. Yee Haw, what fun!
That's awesome Neville, kicking tail with a 27yo motorcycle. If it was me, in-between motos I'd have taken a hacksaw to those flags the track workers put in the racing line that were beating you in the face......Lol!
Haha yes they were annyoying 🤯🥴🥴
Great riding. That bike is pretty close to modern bikes for sure.
My 1990 CR125 was a beast of a motor! I always was getting the hole shot with it and it’s power was far and away the best for years after.
It was the first year of the upside down fork, so it always seemed like handling was more work than my buddies KX and RMs. But it was fast! Won many of races on it and wish I still had it for nostalgia sake.
I race a 89 CR125 sometimes and that’s also super strong
90s CR motors were renowned for their powa! and the showa suspension was usually getting ragged on (although as an amateur, it was nothing that stiffer springs couldn't fix for me).
Fantastic ride!!! Thanks for sharing! Those were the days!!
The old cheat was to use the '95 cylinder. Had one on my '98. Crazy top end. Had to make up for the horrible al frame they just came out with😂
Haha yup that new frame killed them
For a bit 🥴🥴
For the young guys watching, i had a ported 98 cr125 dyno at 37 hp. My son's 2019 yz125 makes 39 with a pipe and has bottom end power too. These old bikes were tricky to keep on the pipe.
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@@_750ZOHe isn't lying though. Modern 2 strokes are insane compared to the older ones. The old 2 strokes had almost nothing at the bottom compared to the new one's. With the old ones if you didn't keep the revs up 24/7 you were very slow.
That was awesome. Thanks for sharing man. Only thing I didn't like, at the #4 booth the wooden fence. That's gonna take someone's life . Take a look
LOve you lines. Pace & stamina///All on a "96 end to end Ace mate!
Cheers mate 😁👊🏻
Baby eagle right there🇺🇸💯💪
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The modern 125 don't have anything on a good running 96 125. But this vid above is very very fun to watch. How about a 1974 Honda 125 Elsinore smoking modern 4-strokes?
Great the 2 strokes yeah !! Wonderful i'm french good lucky .
The reason for your fastest lap, You fianally started to ride it like the berm bouncer it is. Diping low in the corners is for Y/Z riders, Middle lane and High side is where the CR excells. Come in hot when you make the turn gas it slide the rear tire out point the front tire where you want it to go hit the seat wit yo butt bash the berm then it freaking launches. Don't believe me look at where you were at in your own video. You were running the middle and high on your fast lap. the rest you weren't. Cool video.
Raw.... I thought that was McGrath himself.... it's not the power it's the technique and skill!.....subscribed 🙌🙌🔥🔥
Yeeewwww thanks boss 👊🏻🤘🏻
Quel 125 cr et qu'elle bonne année 96 ca envoie bien et le pot fait son role et le pilote trop bien merci a toi Neville Bradshaw !!! Yeah ...
Right on man, 96 was one of the best years for the125 and the 250.
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Fantastic video! The bike bike sounded great and amazing riding on a rough course, well done.
Thanks mate 👊🏻
Replace your stock Honda steel exhaust flange. With a o-ring pipe flange. Back in 1994 to 1997 when my friend and I were racing Hondas. I made a custom aluminum flange with two small O- ring grooves. I used viton O-rings. I hand ported the flange so it wasn't just a cylindrical flange besides I widened out to match the sides of the exhaust port and on the top and the bottom I tapered to match the original exhaust Port shape. I evened up the shape of the exhaust port. It worked amazingly well. No more losing our dribbling out of the pipe at the flange. It had amazing power. I made it on a 12 x 54 Craftsman lathe that I had in the garage. I also had a small milling attachment for the lathe that I used. A local LA Performance Shop wanted me to make five of them for him. I never did and years later I saw in the back of the dirt bike magazine that somebody was making that very type of flange but they didn't have the tapered design that I did.
Hey Marv,Right on,years later in 04 or 05 I purchased a ported Alum,rings,Nice , made by Boysyeen Reed Co. For a 03cr250, thanks your hard work,worked great. Neville knows it's 30% bike ,70% Racer if anyone cares .the bike has to be good an setup.
Memories,.. my last bike was a '96RM 250 , retired from racing in '2000 at 42yrs old.🇺🇸🇺🇸
Good bikes the mid 90s Suzukis
@nevsta272 absolute privilege to watch, done 3 repeats already.
Can you please advice on this build?
Piston?
Ported?
Carb?
Sprokets?
Pipe?
And so on...
Not really that big of a deal...If that Honda has had suspension and engine updated and you know how to ride it and are very well acquainted with it's habits there is no reason you can't be competitive at that level with it. It has the big suspension, decent brakes, and similar HP enough to keep up. I know a guy that races vintage Bultaco 250 in the modern classes once in a while and has won the expert class before. Just have to ride the bike baby!
I don’t understand how you don’t get arm pump in 5 minutes. I’m physically fit but tired of the whisky throttle BS almost immediately. Makes me wanna take a sledge to the engine case of my RM125.
Really nice ride 👌🏼 i miss this so much ..
Thank you .
I wish someone would race a 20-year-old F1 car against modern F1 cars. Modern motorsports has lost its appeal to lifelong fans.
you can only develop a 125 so far, unless you have factory backing / parts, all the 125s are fun to ride, two strokes rule, four strokes suck !!
Man that tracks terrible. Rock hard and they don't till it at all. Guessing it's europe
Ditch the yamahas and buy you a couple more hondas!!! Good job, man! After watching the races of you with the honda an the yamaha, you're way faster on the honda!!
Le circuit basique mais pas tres technique dons tot le monde s'y retrouve
Sounds awesome. Fantastic video. Thanks for sharing.
NEVER let off the throttle on a 125CC use the clutch again never let off the throttle on a 125cc EVER..
Yeaaaaaa buddy ✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻💨💨💨💨
I had a 93 and 97 cr125 and also a 2003 yz 125 and 2002 cr125. It was noticeable how much more power my 93 had over the rest. The 93 motor just sounded like it worked harder
Yeah I think that generation honda was ahead of the game 💯
I have a “93 CR500. Good year.
Those old Hondas are awesome, but not good about that pipe joint leaking! Ride safe my man
Cheers bud 👊🏻
Number 1🎉🎉🎉🎉cr 125 hpp are the best 125 in 90s year,I've a cr 125 1995 great great bike .
Attention in 1996 cr 125 has kayaba 46 mm not showa but ok showa fork are very good I know.
I've also an italian TM 125 1994 try this motorbike in my opinion in the only bike in age 90 with a engine superior respect honda as cv (in my opionion 1 or 2 cv more than cr)a very interenting bike.
Excuse my english i'm Italian
Honda was deffo the bikes in the early 90s
That was f..king bitchen....spanking those modern 125's.....that was fun watching....you nailed that start even if you didn't get the holeshot....love 125's especially old school ones.....nice job!!!
Thanks bud 👊🏻👊🏻
If I think saw number 777 doesn’t get his leg higher he’s gonna brake it at some point lol
I have a Yamaha 1989 Yz 125 , my friend just got ahold of a Suzuki RM 125 think it's a 86 or 87.
there's nothing that can touch it The power band.
Is extremely scary , Not even an elsenor CR 125 87 can touch it That RM if you don't lean forward on the Handle bars, it'll flip you , And for a street bike, I'm looking for about A 1986 , 1987 RD 400 Yamaha.
2strokes were savage back then
Did you really need to have 2 mins of you revving your bike at the start? Lol😅
By the way you are an excellent rider i hope one day i can even get close to that level. Probly not tho 😂😂
Wow. I got sea sick and an arm pump watching that. Excellent!
96 125 40ish HP 2023 yz125 33hp just two didn't animals ! Old school was raw and modern is all geometry weight suspension. Who needs all that nonsense lol give me a 89cr250 and I'll show you my back tire haha
Doing well to get 40 out of the old Hondas bud. The old 250s deffo raw power 💯💯💯
modern 125 you mean a noisey 4-stroke and those damn things sound terrible
Don't know why they sold out In 98 and went to 5 speed. Had two 93's and 96 they'd smoke everything out there. Everybody went to Yamaha with there bad ergonomics at 98 1/2 year
Yeah they deffo took a step backwards in 98
Never turned his head to look back. Stayed focused. Great rider.
Cheers :-)
Do you think you could have cut out some of that annoying waiting at the start?
I quite like the sound of 30 125s revving up
You gotta love the old school Screemin Deemin hitting band was like releasing the hounds nothing survived it.... Great racing my man Neville the Beast Master....29 years old yet it still gave them a lesson in skill and abillity 2nd Overall and the fastest lap Thats 100% B,O,T esp with the age gap between bikes...
I did too. My 90s YZ125 was bored to a 175 and I won a championship with it in 2005 😂
Does it make a big difference with the extra CC?
What’s max weight you would advise for an older cr125? I’m lile 1m89 and 90kg so debating between a cr250 and 125
I’m 85kg. But I’d say ideally 80kg or less
Old school 2strokes rip. I have an 87 yz250 and its nasty. Super fast but suspension sucks compared to my 07
There’s Definately loads of fun to be had on the oldies ✊🏻💨💨💨💨
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That last name seems familiar idk where I know it from think I saw a man do an insane jump on a yz250 with the same last name once I could be wrong
Damon Bradshaw?
The little 96 125 that could.
The rider has a lot to do with it also
87 was the year for the CR125 in my opinion
compared to 4 strokes 125's are so much work .....
I had a 95 cr 125 back in the day loved that bike. Motocross magazine I can't remember which one called it a motor with handlebars lol
Once he got out in front the other riders didnt have a chance good riding
I had a 94 and. I ruined the power making it a 144😊
Had cr s 125 for most of my teen yrs raced in early 80 s to mid 90s loved my C R s go RED hell ya. Great video u killed it thank you
I had yz 100 and an 81 kx 420 it was a rototiller
Awesome raced there a few weeks back , brilliant track
My perspective is a '96 CR is a modern 125 🤔. I mean , my first race was in 1977 on a new RM125
Haha yes deffo a lot more modern than a 77 rm125. Bet that was a fun era to race though
You know your bike and figured out the track.
Nice riding! You were hauling ASS Dude!
All the money in the world can't buy experience Nev 🤙
Haha no that gets earned race by race 💯💯
The whizzers were the greatest! Still love 2stroke.
The Honda CR's are still great and fun to ride
Great ride man,holding with top on 96....90s into early 2000s 2 stroke are the Best beasts,
Shes tuned nicely...great sound...what pipe you using FMF?
Cheers mate. Got it set up a bit better now. I’m using a DEP system
I gotta rebuild my 96 cr250
Two strokes haven't evolved that much since the nineties. Slightly more power, slightly better brakes and suspension. By the mid nineties they pretty much had it sorted. I know KTM keep redesigning their bikes but it's so people can buy something 'new'. In reality they change plastic and move stuff around....
Yup very true 💯💯
Haha good one! 😂
You’ve revealed the secret of winning. Get that front disc slippin guuud. 😉
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Bradshaw, sounds familiar I know of some around these parts that ride, I just always rode trails more of a weekend warrior, I can ride trails for hours.
I'd like to fit a 200 ktm engine into a 96 frame
4 strokes = torque, and that's what wins races. Ask any pro rider. Those are facts, kids.
Very true
Your bike sounds great... that thing is tits!
Holy smokes 1st place checked out quick
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