Drum Sounds of the 1960's | Season Four, Episode 28
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ธ.ค. 2021
- The 60’s are here and rock ‘n roll is in full swing! While the Beatles are the obvious reference point here, we’ll be covering a bit more including the split between highly muffled vs. wide open drums sounds of the era.
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Kick Drum: AKG D112 sladl.ink/D112mkII
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Drums:
Gretsch 20” Round Badge Bass Drum, Precision Drum Co. toms, 1960’s Ludwig Standard snare drum
Cymbals:
14” Jesse Simpson Old K Clone Hihats, 22” Jesse Simpson custom ride
Drumheads:
Snare: Evans G1 Coated / Snare Side 300
Toms: Evans G1 Coated / G1 Coated
Kick Drum: Evans G12 Coated / (no reso)
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One of my favorite drummers of the 1960s is John Densmore of The Doors. In the studio he taped a wallet to his snare's batter head and removed the reso heads from his toms and bass with a felt strip against the batter head of his bass drum. A killer and unique sound that I have used for years myself.
Densmore is very underrated drummer. Over shadowed by Ringo, Mitchell, Baker and of course Bonham
Johns playing is the reason i became a drummer
Not a huge Doors fan but I love John’s drumming, he’s definitely underrated.
And yeah, wallet taped to snare will get you much closer to that vintage, dry sound.
Favorite drum sounds? Ringo's stuff on a Day in the Life is awesome.
But hot damn, all of Motown drum sounds were just a ton of fun. I'd love to see a separate video just on that.
There is a vid I think on Reverb of trying to recreate the Motown kit!
Good call on the Day in the Life!
Yeah totally id love to them do a Motown too. I did see the Reverb Motown and loved it but they really skipped over what drums they used and what tunings as well.
I love Ringo’s drumming, I still can’t believe people think he’s a bad drummer.
I learned to drum in the 60's...had a set of Ludwig drums with Avedis Zildjian cymbals . I played them unmuffled and LOUD !
Cody, this is an excellent video series. At 70 YO, and solely a Recreational / Hobbyist "Drummer" at home in retirement, I love watching these videos. I started to play Drums in 1966 at age 15, primarily bc I knew I didn't have what it would take to play Guitar. And I did "sense" I had the Beat within me. After the British Invasion hit the shores of the USA (Thank God), with of Course, The Beatles leading the way, I saw my self Digging Dave Clark Five, The Stones , The Animals, The Kinks (very progressive of all of them, IMO), The Byrds, then , a bit later, The Hollies, Cream, The Who, and rest is HISTORY. On our shores, The Ventures were Fantastic, The Beach Boys (they too invoked some new innovations into recording too), The Young Rascals (which turned into The Rascals - band that introduced some "soul" into rock and roll [Dino Danelli was one of my favorite Drummers], and Steppin Wolf (don't forget them!!). And as others may have pointed out : Motown Baby!! If you listen to the music over the decade from Love Me Do, to Paranoid (Black Sabbath), to I'm Going Home [Ten Years After - the band of little recognition that Made Woodstock], to Heartbreaker [Led Zep], you will be very hard pressed to duplicate the "growth" of Rock & Blues Music since. The Drums Sounds of the 60s certainly did change from Dave Clark , Ringo (who was more innovative than first believed at the time), a solid Charlie Watts, to Baker, Moon, and finally Bonham, who like Moon was loud and Flamboyant with his Famous Bonham Triplets. And Throw in that Latin Rock sound of Santana ...... holy sh*t, there is nothing else like it.
I must say, that the 60s made a huge impact on me since I am a young boy. Hearing the raw recording ofthe Beatles live in Starclub 1962 gave me an idea of wild rock'n'rolly surf drumming. The drums sound open and very energetic there. Of course in my teens i listened to a lot of different stuff like Rock, Punk, Ska and so on.. but it kept being the 60s sound that were hypnotising me.. for excample The Animals - We Gotta Get out of This Place. You could hear how original and organic that drums is. A bit tuned high and very "woody" sound, which I think is because of the round bearing edges. There was a band called "the Staggers", with their 2003 hit "Wild Teens" they showed the world how revival sixties rock can be. Loved them so much. They are from my city. (Graz/Austria)... loved many bands from the time but got ultra hooked on late 60s psychedelic. Check out Vacuum Cleaner by Tintern Abbey (loud) this will blow your mind. Lovely piece for drummers to listen (also an amazing guitar solo included). I loved that sound so much, that I got myself a late 60s Sonor Teardrop Big Beat that had such a wide open, woody and also punchy sound. Just beautiful. Especially that 14×4,5 original wood snare. And almost every drum had a damper. Gives so much more freedom to create the sound you like...
Great video! Mitch Mitchell was my favorite drummer of the 60's.
One of the most unique mainstream 60's sounds in my opinion is Keith Moon's tom sound... He played three 14x8 toms with either two or three floors and the size ratio of the toms really gave them a "snares off" or timbale sound quality to them that was radically different than any other player out there!
I don’t know. Live, they were tuned to sing - then he smacked ‘em. He wasn’t emulating Hal Blaine or Ringo’s Abbey Road sounds, live.
Half of that was attributed to old 3ply premier kits. Slightly undersized shells so the head had perfect contact on the head. I believe similar to a timpani drum.
He had his drums tuned quite high too.
Mitch Mitchell also had a similar sound on the first Hendrix album. Also recorded on 3 ply premier
I am a drummer because of the Beatles music and the drum sounds of Ringo. Listen to Strawberry Fields. Those cymbals, those toms. Perfect!
I'm stoked for the 70s video purely because of how varied drum sounds were. The punchy muffled sounds of say Fleetwood Mac to the explosive boom of Led Zeppelin and everything in between.
Plus we can't discredit the sounds of disco.
Lunch time video releases make the day better.
Thank you for another great video! I personally can't decide whether it's a wide open or a seriously muffled 60's drum sound that I prefer, since I like them both so much. Gotta agree with you: RIngo was one of the masters of that period: always musical with so many different flavors and colors!
AHH ive been waiting for this! can't wait for 70s too! A few things ive learned on Ringos sound in the late 60's Let it be/Abbey road era is that he would actually have the snare tuned up very high, basically to hiphop tuning and then dampen, also he would take the bottom head off the floor tom as well, and then dampen, but he would not dampen the rack tom. And he used thin One ply heads on the toms. Two other small things but made a pretty big difference is he had very thin and light cymbal stands, and thin light drum sticks as well. Hope this helps anyone trying to get that sound! I found it interesting and tried it out for my self and have to say I got very close when I recorded my set this way.
Hal Blaine's snare in The Ronettes: Be My Baby. John Bonham of course... And I really love the drums on The Marmalade: Reflections of my life. Great tone and great playing
Mom, I want Come Together drum part.
No, we have Come Together drum part at home.
Come Together drum part home: 6:02
😂 cheers guys, great video, actually was kinda surprised, since your drums today sounded like mine, then I realized I’m trying to get 60s sound for years and that’s why 😂
I love the handkerchiefs! Thanks for sharing this awesome idea. It's definitely helped me especially when I play in smaller spaces. 🥁❤️
Hal Blaine's sound and playing was awesome. He was just a factory that produced perfect drumming for all those hits.
Jim Gordon's time and feel is probably my favourite in that area.
John Densmore was (as many drummers from that era) a perfect fit for his band. Dramatic, beautiful, tasty.
And then came John Bonham and everything changed lol!
Hal Blaine is basically the sound of the 60s and his kit that he used for awhile in the 60s were timbales for toms and a kevlar bass drum head. He said that it always stood out on recordings. He then of course upgraded to the toms to his Blaine/ Myer octo tom kit. Also as a side note, nothing gives the authentic 60s sound as Ludwig from that era. I currently own 2 as well as other modern kits and the modern kits don't compare when getting the sound.
Love the 60’s sounds! You inspired me - after seeing your 60’s Acro again and again and loving it, I finally found a minty ‘67. Just something about that baseball bat and the keystone badge, right? It’s a sexy drum, and man does it sound good. Thanks for the impetus!
Mitch mitchell and ginger baker first up, and whom ever played that amazing drum solo in inagadadavida! Damn
Mel Taylor on The Ventures in Space is my favourite 60s drum sound, probably close to the wide open that you guys did. Great video as always!
Yesss! Right there with ya
Mitch Mitchell is an excellent choice for a favorite 60s-era drummer. (It would have been nice to hear Cody play a great Mitch drum part, like "Fire" for instance.) Ginger Baker was another who used a wide-open sound, and he used a double kick drum setup as well. Ringo rules the 60s, of course. He helped give every one of those great songs a sound of its own by crafting his part for that specific song. Keith Moon deserves a mention in 60s rock drumming as well, for the way he drove the sound of The Who. As you pointed out, Bonzo arrived at the end of the decade. So did Bill Bruford, who should always be on anyone's list of influential drummers. You gonna have the bottom heads off the toms in the 70s? (Problematic decade, that. The rise of disco, then punk brought a lot of different sounds.)
True, the 60's kind of started to open up people's minds as to what is "allowed" in the creation of musical sounds. Then in the 70's it just went all over the place. 80's brought new technology, so the 80's sound is quite influenced by that I feel. But the experimental approach continued.
Then the Grunge scene came and said F*** you to all that ;)
I guess everything is cyclical, if you zoom out far enough.
Awesome video
Great sound! Thanks…
Rimshots on a muffled snare makes me think of 60s Southern Soul. Like Rodger Hawkins and Al Jackson. Though I believe they just used their wallets.
Awesome contents, can’t wait for 70s sound! Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, eagles, drum sound sooo good!!
Love your videos! They’re educational and entertaining. 👏 👏👏 As a drummer in a blues band I would love to see an episode dedicated to blues and the blues drum sound. There’s so little content on TH-cam about where most music originated. Also, because blues is very guitar focussed it’s difficult to know how to approach the drum sound. Help! 🤞🤞🤞 😎
Range, absolutely. It's the decade when I first got into drumming. If I think back to stuff I played along to, it was stuff we think of now as 'very early' rock and roll, Ronettes, Shangri-Las, then tons of Beatles and Shadows (Brian Bennett). But right through to early Yes, Jethro Tull, Cream. A lot of Hal Blaine in the earlier stuff, but then people like Bill Bruford and Ginger Baker. Even now, looking back, it's hard to believe that was all the same decade.
My first album(cd) I ever bought myself as a kid, was Electric Ladyland. This was probably 1996ish. Yes, I knew great music even as a kid!! 😁
I have lots of favourite 60s sounds but I always refer to Ringo. I really like the super cranked up snare in the Help! era. Actually it was mid 64 to 65. His 13” rack Tom was pretty high as well. Check out the song, Help! as a perfect example of what I’m talking about
On a side note,I recall going with father to the recording studio ,early 60,s drum set in a corner,4 foot baffle in front,2 over head mikes,drums wide open,I have some of those actual recordings,my 2 cents,keep up the great info,
In addition to various muffling, older style drums, heads, etc. I think a large portion of the unique sound came from minimal recording techniques such as using one Mic for the entire drum set! No effects, nothing. A far cry from what is considered normal today.
Totally!
On the open tom sound, do you have both heads tuned the same? Thanks for the look back to my era of influence. While many relate to the Rock and Roll/Surf and British invasion style, I was most influenced by Motown and R&B sound. Much of which came directly from jazz musicians.
Very nice strata snare
2:47 For reference, there is a current production Jazz Festival. I think it was based on Ringo's copy of that snare drum.
Edit: I want to play heavy metal beats on an early 60s styled drum set.
People listen up this is really good material cuz he's showing you you don't need 100 drum set you could get this and you want out of your drum set
I always used a sponge on my drumheads and made them Damp or squeeze them out it works use some tape go around it and then leave a little on the top to hold it in place and it will bounce up and down for that Mifflin. Drum on
I think it may be necessary to add an addendum video to this one.
Popular music spanning the decade of the 60s evolved dramatically on every level, from composition, through to technology and production.
The drum sounds in the early 60s were basically achieved through circumstance and not design, and most - if not all - of those drummers came from a jazz and/or country music background. Technology didn’t allow for focussing on a ‘drum sound’, per se, as recording desks had but a few inputs with very limited EQ options, and most early 60s backing tracks were recorded with all of the musicians in the same (sometimes small) room, performing as a full ensemble.
By around the mid 60s, The Beatles helped pioneer the paradigm shift in technology as they were amongst the first artists to record in a multitrack environment, which allowed recording engineers, producers, etc., the luxury of isolating drums and shaping their sounds through added appliqués directly to the drums (wallets, towels, whatever) and close mic-ing the bass drum.
Btw - my comment isn’t meant as a criticism of the video…like all of your vids, it’s obvious that you put a lot of effort into your work, with very informative and educational content being the result; I just think that this particular instalment could be divided into Part 1 and Part 2.
This first beat at time stamp 0:25 is what I have been searching for as an example of what I can show my drummer to play on an original song...yeah, I'm an old fart... I normally would have asked my drummer to play a back beat or a gogo beat, but after researching those, I realize the terms have changed since the 60's and 70's. Is there a common name to call this beat? Thanks so much!
When I grow up, I'm gonna be as chill and welladjusted as Cody, or at least strive for that.
Sorry but this sounds like 70s to me. Why are you muting everything and why is the front bass drum head off ? I don’t hear that until 70s
they are referring to the late 60's sound.. study all the 60s especially what he's talking about Ringo on Let it Be and Abbey Road
Never thought I'd hear Bizarre Love Triangle on this channel
Oops! You can make a wire clip at the top of the sponge to hold it on the drum
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Finally the ONE!!😍🤑
Favorite drum sounds,, loved Gingers sound on the first two Cream Albums- MItch Mitchell as well,, first two albums-- Also Cassidy with Spirit had a wonderful snare sound on the early recordings And ProcoL Harum’s drummer had a wonderful sound-- Those were my faves--. Bonham somehow didn’t move me much-- there was just TOO much raving about Led Zeppelin IMO.
Don’t forget tape saturation killing most of the low end
Gretsch drums had their own internal mufflers
Indeed!
Is that some sort of ‘SPRING/sprung Hi-Hat Clutch’ you’ve got there..? Not seen one of those! 🤷♂️
That's a Remo Quick Release hihat clutch.
@@SoundsLikeADrum oh, right…. So it’s Just for convenience, yes?
It doesn’t push the top hat down or anything like that, does it?
I mean it doesn’t affect the sound
Yep, simply for convenience and it never loosens up during performance because the bottom portion isn’t threaded like most clutches
@@SoundsLikeADrum cool
Makes me think that if they had stumbled on Gated Reverb back then then THAT would be the 60s sound & NOT the 80s sound cuz it’s like they were chasing Gate ‘verb back then but in a ‘mechanical’ way
You have to remove all resonate heads. XSept the snare. Concert toms.
That really didn't come about in a serious way until the 70's...coming next month!
I only recently discovered what I consider to be the best snare sound of the 60s, on a record I never liked. Ike and Tina Turner version of Proud Mary has a monster snare sound, like a gun. Check it out and get back to us!
Hydraulics over low volume heads
Is that "White Rabbit" ?
Seems to me that I used my wallet, then graduated to a wet tee shirts to achieve the same sound, (don't remember how I came by those.) I use ddrum now. But what do I know, I'm seventy two years old, playing since I saw Ringo on the Ed Sullivan show. That was when I was in nine years old. So what I'm trying to say is,,,, "I figure the odds be fifty fifty, I just might have something to say." So their. JLDR1 JLDR. Denver Watts. CHS SC
Oh, Yeah, been there. Done that. Wore out the tee shirt.
That drumheads sounded to me very dull and lacking in the dynamics as most of modern sounding ones, the 60's style drumheads sounded more dynamic and clear, that's why the muffled sounds sounded too much like modern synthpop instead of Ringo style muffling.
Sounds nothing like a 60s drumkit because this micing style colors it too much with a modern close-mic sound. You never hear this kind of boxy proximity-effect drum sound on 60s records.
they need to go back to the sound of the 60s. i just saw carole king and james taylor on tv tonight. they were great but the sound quality was dead. all that high dollar gear and microphones and the digital outcome suck. i wished the analog sound was back. the sound engineer needed to be fired. you could listen to the beatles on tv in early 1960s and the sound quality was superb. our sound technology NOW is horrible.
This is nostalgia talking.
I agree with you.
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