My running total: 5 games in a row where the early snipe didn't matter. Remember, don't kill the low-rated player unless you can actually capitalize on it. It just gives a better player more eco. That was an epic game, though 👍
@@Toren8002 Well, that's an artifact of which games get cast. (Of course, games where people *do* take advantage of an early snipe tend not to get cast either...)
Not so fond of playing Dual Gap myself, but this is totally a valid pattern I've experienced as well. Most of the time low-rated players sitting on useful mass spots are just burden to the team. Don't kill them so soon.
You never know what low-rated players will do late game though. Because most games last less then 20 minutes, that's what the ranking really represents. Many players are just fine if they make it to late game.
it didn't used to be a thing until FAF patch 3680 makes it so that shields absorbs some of the crash damage, so it's not something in the base game. With that said, that patch was launched on 2017 may, and I did recalled seeing them in gyle casts/brink's video. You just probably notice it now. BTW experiments are still unaffected by shields, in case you are wondering
I'm certainly interested. I've been meaning to get a few things organized in life and return to more regular gaming than I've been over recent years. That would definitely include more multiplayer with people I know.
When I used to do Seton's a decade back it was a tactic back spot would do if a nuke came in without a defence up for whatever reason. Any air get formation clumped over Central base, and it was a reasonable chance with enough air you could protect your base. The same could wipe out your own nuke being fired, happened to me.
I love that actual projectiles and hitboxes are a thing in this game! I once shot a nuke through an Aeon Czar. Lol. Right down the center hole. Hehe. And I once also killed myself with my own air units covering my ACU when I launched a Tac Nuke... nuke collided with an air unit. I also killed myself another time when my ACU was helping a Nuke sub. Nuke fired but collided with a battleship above, on the water surface. Lol. I got bad luck. 😂😅
This just highlights why I typically bet against a team that gets a snipe, *especially* if it isn't someone who was carrying their team or is their lowest rated player. . 1. The player that gets sniped is, typically, less skilled than his teammates. This being purely from the fact that they've died first, and usually from a stupid mistake. 2. With full share on, now that player's resources have been given to another team member who will, in general, use it better than their teammate would have. That team member is now on two bases and is playing against someone in their roll who is on one *and* they have a higher unit cap. If full share is off you've merely pushed the time that this takes back a bit, and the later in the game this occurs the less time it will take for that recovery to happen. . Essentially you have bumped up the ratio of skill/# of players of the team that had their buddy sniped, *and* increased their resources. In a game like Starcraft where micro is a much more critical component of the game this would be more damaging, less available total APM available now but with the same amount of workload necessary, but in SupCom where micro is useful but not critical and mass is the critical metric, you really aren't hurting them nearly as much as you're HELPING them. . We can see this same effect even in Starcraft, actually, if you watch Beastyqt's latest series where he plays 1v4 players, but on 4 player's economy. The games are always short because he immediately overpowers the enemy by leaning on them one at a time with the economy of 4 players coordinated by a single player against one player at a time. If he loses a game it's because they go long and he gets out microed. . Basically in FaF if you aren't sniping a chip leader or cannot immediately tactically and strategically take advantage of the other team's loss, you've only fucked yourself. I literally just won a 4v5 an hour ago because of this, and we see it pretty constantly in Gyle casts. ty for coming to my ted talk.
@Gyle, This was epic game/cast as always from you. The CTRL+K popup is part of SSB mod and it sometimes it does not show correct info about how a player died because the game records ACU deaths and ACU kills in different order. I will need to add a small delay to collect ACU kill and death to fix this popup. The kill-ratio is calculated based on actual players kill so ACU kill is worth about 20k mass but remaining units of killed player are not included in kill-ratio because they died after ACU was killed.
I liked. I feel that thanks to me we narrowly avoided the scenario where governments around the world will collaborate to move us to cashless societies as a pretext for total monetary suppression of individualistic endeavour; thereby leaving the human race vulnerable to a never before seen incarnation of economic servitude to an unaccountable political hyper class of technocratic elites.
the comeback after comeback after comeback and back and forths this game provides in multiplayer games are completely astonishing, no other RTS really provide this. In almost every other RTS T2 would be out of it after the early tacsnipe but not in this game. Makes it super interesting and exciting to watch.
Just imagine this game with a modern engine and graphics with roughly the same gameplay design. Like nukes causing damaging shockwaves on ground and actual huge waves and steam in water. Like aircrafts using multiple altitude levels instead of one. Like destructable environment, more detailed unit destruction sceneries. Even more complex missle impact and collision effects. With more epic maps with huge vertical depth and megastructures/cities like in supcom2 (the only thing which was an actual improvement). With more exotic fauna and skyline designs. In short the very same game with modern engine resources. That'd be GOD-like.
@Bro. Matthew - Matthew Groen Actually they could really not. I remember, we had core 2 duo and that was one of the most common CPU's from the better ones. It was dying under this game.
Great game, I miss this. Nice to see players still going, skill level is definitely way higher from when I played ten years ago, I was top 200ish and strong Seton's back then. I recently installed FAF and am easily in the bottom third now. Players really gotten good.
Excited about the potential Nomads coverage been playing them since they first released! Very unique faction I bet you'll love some of the units dual abilities like the T2 missle tanks
The Tempest shot got it. You can track the firing cycle. Nukes can only be targeted by anti-nukes, but it has a hitbox like everything else in this game. Also @ the other comment, nukes explode if they hit anything, even planes.
17:30...IMO it was silly for REYF to not hold that position. Just 2 T2 AA would've kept that TML base together and then they could put some arty in place. In doing so, REYF could keep almost 1/4 of the old base out of the hands of their opponent and deny them a ton of mass
That was a great play with that sneaky little missile base in Team 2's backfield. But I suppose there might be something in the idea that it actually gave Team 2 an advantage later on.
just bought another copy of the game for the 3rd time... love this game i reallly hope there are more ppl out there like the comunity is bigger than what i thinks like a couple million
If anyone builds a guild in this game it would absolutely crush. All these casts and I don't think I've ever seen even two people work as a team. I've seen people compliment each other but duplication of effort is not just common, it's guaranteed.
The only thing that comes to my mind, that has a long lasting community support is Freespace 1 and 2, all the way back to 2000,,although that community is quite small and very niche.
44:35 I wonder if the T3 pgens around the arty is worth it, when there's a paragon up. Seems like the explody-ness of them would make it better to just build another arty when resources (other than build power) aren't an issue.
@@hellfirebrochannel7708 Sure, but if you have nigh-infinite resources from a Para, then the better way to get increased rate of fire is by having another arty -- and that way they can both be better shielded.
It blows my mind that people don't use the tempest as a mobile factory. It can pump out T2 cruisers to cover the skies and T2 cruisers to help with the naval battle
does the seraphim battleship not have SMD in vanilla? haven't played unmodded in so long I can't remember where features originated... That's the only naval SMD I've seen though, specifically just the phim.
@@jmkhenka That's odd... must be that Black Ops converts it from nuke to nuke defense... I'll need to check later. edit- I was just confused. It's the seraphim experimental dreadnought added by Black Ops.
I know all the superweapons that Team 1 had were big priorities, but the sad fact is they just ignored Illuminateone's base the entire match and his air was what kept taking out everything on team 2. Just leveling his base for a single minute would have set Team 1 so far behind that this could have been won in half the time by team 2.
Well it would all have been for nought anyway if Team 1 did what Gyle said to do - build new Paras immediately and spread them out. We wouldn't have had such a cool game to watch though :)
Forged alliance forever. It isnt really a mod more so a community client that updates the game, adds balancing and tweaks, and additional features like phantom game mode or murder party. You'll be able to find dozens of games, some custom with some mods, others vanilla. It's free to download on the site but you do need to link your steam account to it. Search up forged alliance forever, and download It to play. Also check out some supcom youtubers like brnkoinsanity and join their discord to get in games with people in vc.
It makes me feel so happy to see someone still making supreme commander videos in 2020. Keep up the good work Gyle
What someone, Watch epic videos casts of Yuri the professional!
Time To time still play it, its like I know what To do but not when :)
2022*
2023*
When you build a para, you immediately build another one and gift it to an ally. This is a law of SC, which both teams broke.
they did gift all the eco to an ally, so that counts i guess. If they went for Parax2 it might have given the other team enough time to counter.
My running total: 5 games in a row where the early snipe didn't matter. Remember, don't kill the low-rated player unless you can actually capitalize on it. It just gives a better player more eco.
That was an epic game, though 👍
Yea, I'm noticing the trend that whichever team gets the early lead is doomed.
@@Toren8002 Well, that's an artifact of which games get cast. (Of course, games where people *do* take advantage of an early snipe tend not to get cast either...)
Not so fond of playing Dual Gap myself, but this is totally a valid pattern I've experienced as well. Most of the time low-rated players sitting on useful mass spots are just burden to the team. Don't kill them so soon.
It did give them aircontrol for most of the game though. They could also have won that one.
You never know what low-rated players will do late game though. Because most games last less then 20 minutes, that's what the ranking really represents. Many players are just fine if they make it to late game.
At 25:55 you can see a downed aircraft spiral into a shield and bounce off! Never seen that detail before.
it didn't used to be a thing until FAF patch 3680 makes it so that shields absorbs some of the crash damage, so it's not something in the base game.
With that said, that patch was launched on 2017 may, and I did recalled seeing them in gyle casts/brink's video. You just probably notice it now.
BTW experiments are still unaffected by shields, in case you are wondering
@@WATalisman Thank you for the insight, I've only played the stock SC and FA.
@@KentonBenfield Forged Alliance Forever is definitely worth checking out some time. I'd be happy to play with you too, if you wanted.
I'm certainly interested. I've been meaning to get a few things organized in life and return to more regular gaming than I've been over recent years. That would definitely include more multiplayer with people I know.
1:00:30 a Strat Bomb hits the Salvation Artillery Shell which explodes into its smaller Pieces all over the place. Looks pretty funky.
Wow, good eye! That's amazing.
nice catch, thought I'd seen every possible weird collision but I hadn't seen that one!
I can't believe this game is that detailed.
The nuke hit one of the torp bombers. I thought it would still explode just in the air. Pretty sure I saw that happening once before.
They tweaked it in a recent patch so it doesn't do that anymore.
When I used to do Seton's a decade back it was a tactic back spot would do if a nuke came in without a defence up for whatever reason. Any air get formation clumped over Central base, and it was a reasonable chance with enough air you could protect your base.
The same could wipe out your own nuke being fired, happened to me.
@@Triaxx2 true
Yeah, on one of the casts it exploded mid air on asfs
@@Triaxx2 I wonder why? Seems kind of silly. Then you could just use a Czar as a big meat shield. Though at least the Czar would then have a use...
At 58:33 you can see the Mavor shot get intercepted by an ASF.
I love that actual projectiles and hitboxes are a thing in this game!
I once shot a nuke through an Aeon Czar. Lol. Right down the center hole. Hehe.
And I once also killed myself with my own air units covering my ACU when I launched a Tac Nuke... nuke collided with an air unit.
I also killed myself another time when my ACU was helping a Nuke sub. Nuke fired but collided with a battleship above, on the water surface.
Lol. I got bad luck. 😂😅
I caught that as well but passed it off thinking I drank too much.
@@burtenplays Well it's good you didn't drink to much. Now, where's my Jack Daniels?
@@benjaminrobledo5466 Thats the kind of stuff that scares me when I fire nukes lol
@@SangheiliSpecOp
Scary.
These casts are legendary. Thanks for doing it for so long!
This just highlights why I typically bet against a team that gets a snipe, *especially* if it isn't someone who was carrying their team or is their lowest rated player.
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1. The player that gets sniped is, typically, less skilled than his teammates. This being purely from the fact that they've died first, and usually from a stupid mistake.
2. With full share on, now that player's resources have been given to another team member who will, in general, use it better than their teammate would have. That team member is now on two bases and is playing against someone in their roll who is on one *and* they have a higher unit cap. If full share is off you've merely pushed the time that this takes back a bit, and the later in the game this occurs the less time it will take for that recovery to happen.
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Essentially you have bumped up the ratio of skill/# of players of the team that had their buddy sniped, *and* increased their resources. In a game like Starcraft where micro is a much more critical component of the game this would be more damaging, less available total APM available now but with the same amount of workload necessary, but in SupCom where micro is useful but not critical and mass is the critical metric, you really aren't hurting them nearly as much as you're HELPING them.
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We can see this same effect even in Starcraft, actually, if you watch Beastyqt's latest series where he plays 1v4 players, but on 4 player's economy. The games are always short because he immediately overpowers the enemy by leaning on them one at a time with the economy of 4 players coordinated by a single player against one player at a time. If he loses a game it's because they go long and he gets out microed.
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Basically in FaF if you aren't sniping a chip leader or cannot immediately tactically and strategically take advantage of the other team's loss, you've only fucked yourself. I literally just won a 4v5 an hour ago because of this, and we see it pretty constantly in Gyle casts.
ty for coming to my ted talk.
Cedric Larson & thats why full share is retarded
5/5 TEDs, would TED again.
Full share is annoying why not play annihilation game mode instead of assassination.
Gyle, i completely randomly found your channel and just watching made me get SCFA hahaha
@Gyle, This was epic game/cast as always from you. The CTRL+K popup is part of SSB mod and it sometimes it does not show correct info about how a player died because the game records ACU deaths and ACU kills in different order. I will need to add a small delay to collect ACU kill and death to fix this popup. The kill-ratio is calculated based on actual players kill so ACU kill is worth about 20k mass but remaining units of killed player are not included in kill-ratio because they died after ACU was killed.
Watching artillery in this game is just majestic.
Aloha is a pretty fitting name for those tac missiles.
I liked. I feel that thanks to me we narrowly avoided the scenario where governments around the world will collaborate to move us to cashless societies as a pretext for total monetary suppression of individualistic endeavour; thereby leaving the human race vulnerable to a never before seen incarnation of economic servitude to an unaccountable political hyper class of technocratic elites.
Top notch sir!
At 36:51 I learned that the main gun of the Tempest can shoot down incoming torpedo bombers!
I'd love to see one take a chunk out or down a Soul Ripper or Asswasher, that would be hilarious.
Only by accident
the comeback after comeback after comeback and back and forths this game provides in multiplayer games are completely astonishing, no other RTS really provide this. In almost every other RTS T2 would be out of it after the early tacsnipe but not in this game. Makes it super interesting and exciting to watch.
Its a Para- and its gone.
x3
We have angered the Eco!
Gone like the swift wind.
Just imagine this game with a modern engine and graphics with roughly the same gameplay design.
Like nukes causing damaging shockwaves on ground and actual huge waves and steam in water. Like aircrafts using multiple altitude levels instead of one. Like destructable environment, more detailed unit destruction sceneries. Even more complex missle impact and collision effects. With more epic maps with huge vertical depth and megastructures/cities like in supcom2 (the only thing which was an actual improvement). With more exotic fauna and skyline designs.
In short the very same game with modern engine resources. That'd be GOD-like.
@Bro. Matthew - Matthew Groen Actually they could really not. I remember, we had core 2 duo and that was one of the most common CPU's from the better ones. It was dying under this game.
It would be nice to see a AOE2DE like makeover done on this game. Balance remains the same just up the graphics
I'd certainly like to see a remake
The new intro looks sick btw
Artillery hitting random things is very amusing.
The only reason to keep coming back to youtube. Gyle I hope you and your's are doing well and keeping safe in these unstable times.
Gyle needs an award for his descriptions
slick intro
WOW what a blast from the past. Played so much supcom with my friends growing up. Glad to see it still kicking
Great game, I miss this. Nice to see players still going, skill level is definitely way higher from when I played ten years ago, I was top 200ish and strong Seton's back then. I recently installed FAF and am easily in the bottom third now. Players really gotten good.
Technology Equals Might!
Thanks for that one, Gyle! [27:00]
Excited about the potential Nomads coverage been playing them since they first released! Very unique faction I bet you'll love some of the units dual abilities like the T2 missle tanks
The description is as epic as the game itself!
I just absolutely love these Gyle! Thanks for sharing with such awesome commentary!
Gyle always there when ya need him
The lack of UEF shield SCUs in this is physically painful.
Congrats for the win team 1! awesome comeback!
That was epic. Back and forth from both sides. Some good strategy. What more can you ask for.
A non toxic chat?
Thanks Gyle, great cast!
Great come back from Team 2!
1:12:40 The nuke maybe got hit by AA. I've only seen it happen twice in 13 years, but it's possible.
Think It hit the plane
The Tempest shot got it. You can track the firing cycle. Nukes can only be targeted by anti-nukes, but it has a hitbox like everything else in this game. Also @ the other comment, nukes explode if they hit anything, even planes.
The nukes has been launched from subs. The first one has been canceled when its sub has been destroyed by the torpedo bombers.
@@sebastiencourtin9172 nukes carry on regardless of there silo or sub being destroyed so it wasnt that.
Legend 🔥 thanks for the cast you beast
Great game! Had to come back to this, because you told about the nomads video, awesome! Nomads, more variety ...or something :)
hey Gyle it was a bit fuzzy early I wasn't sure if it was my 50yr old eyes or yours :D
Got here somehow. not really played nor watched supreme commander before. I really enjoyed this though.
Love It! Like a pro Kommentator feels like CL matches. :) keep up the good work greetings from Germany
I used to play this a few years ago and it's funny to see the same names still coming up in dualgap
Another great game and demonstration of cybran superiority!
Team 2 was 50% cybran after all, haha! ;P
by far the best game ive seen in several years. gap has potential
17:30...IMO it was silly for REYF to not hold that position. Just 2 T2 AA would've kept that TML base together and then they could put some arty in place. In doing so, REYF could keep almost 1/4 of the old base out of the hands of their opponent and deny them a ton of mass
I fell bad for Sorcery he got done dirty, also i need to start playing this again watching these games is making me miss it so much
That was a great play with that sneaky little missile base in Team 2's backfield. But I suppose there might be something in the idea that it actually gave Team 2 an advantage later on.
what a game, really had no idea who was going to win until the end!
Open question: What's the mod that reduces lategame performance slowdown so that the game doesn't just turn into a laggy mess at the end?
Your looking for "LOUD" :) www.moddb.com/mods/loud-ai-supreme-commander-forged-alliancewww.moddb.com/mods/loud-ai-supreme-commander-forged-alliance
Its not multiplayer though, just AI
Simspeed +
@@wubanizer i saw that, thanks for the assist tho
@@540i6vids ill give it a check
Great video. Hell of an exchange
Nomad video! Yay
Truly epic. Good to see a different kind of map too 👍
just bought another copy of the game for the 3rd time... love this game i reallly hope there are more ppl out there
like the comunity is bigger than what i thinks like a couple million
If anyone builds a guild in this game it would absolutely crush. All these casts and I don't think I've ever seen even two people work as a team. I've seen people compliment each other but duplication of effort is not just common, it's guaranteed.
Gyle you mad lad! Just in time!
Uploaded 20 minutes ago? I'm in.
Edit: I'd have used the mavor on the scathis -first- then shot the paragon. Might have won. Both had 2 shields.
The only thing that comes to my mind, that has a long lasting community support is Freespace 1 and 2, all the way back to 2000,,although that community is quite small and very niche.
Don't forget Chris Taylor's first RTS, Total Annihilation. From 1997 and still going -- see TA Universe for updates.
lol "Fracais need to go full french and back up"
as soon as he died. JUST QUIT, WE HAVE LOST lol
Nice new intro video!
possibly my favorite match ever, so many upsets and artillery fire and players arguing in all caps in the chat feed
Interesting choice for Français to laugh that Illuminates navy is on land while it's in the process of decimating his forward base.
33:30 shadows of shipyards look a bit like AT-ATs
I think the nuke that 'disappeared' actually collided with all those torpedo bombers from orange
Best tactical missile snipe ever!
That was intense.
44:35 I wonder if the T3 pgens around the arty is worth it, when there's a paragon up. Seems like the explody-ness of them would make it better to just build another arty when resources (other than build power) aren't an issue.
they inscrease Rate of Fire
@@hellfirebrochannel7708 Sure, but if you have nigh-infinite resources from a Para, then the better way to get increased rate of fire is by having another arty -- and that way they can both be better shielded.
15:51
ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU
Triple Scathis! So brutal!
1:12:27 the nuke droped on an ASF
should detonate in atmosphere.. may have to cloud t1 intereceptors for naval nuke defence XD
It's possible it got hit by anti air. Anti air shots will shoot down a nuke without detonation.
Best game ever made hands down
That planetside reference, makes me want to play metal fatigue now lol.
I actually had to go look up holly berry orange lol.
Great game!
50:41 "Ahh? Another Mavor!!!"
30:40 Dear lord, what did I just hear?
1:12:27 that first nuke dissapearing was hitting a t2 torpedo bomber form orange mid air i think! thats crazy!!
It blows my mind that people don't use the tempest as a mobile factory. It can pump out T2 cruisers to cover the skies and T2 cruisers to help with the naval battle
I'd love to know who is watching these casts from their phones. Isn't the screen to small? 18:55
Seems fine to me
Very nice but how can you miss the paragon and the scathis for so long haha
Those two Mavors were indulgent pipe dreams that cost team 1 the game.
does the seraphim battleship not have SMD in vanilla? haven't played unmodded in so long I can't remember where features originated...
That's the only naval SMD I've seen though, specifically just the phim.
Sera Bs has nuke (full damage 75k, unlike subs that deal max 45k dmg).. takes much longer to build though. But the BS is half the cost of a silo.
@@jmkhenka
That's odd... must be that Black Ops converts it from nuke to nuke defense... I'll need to check later.
edit- I was just confused. It's the seraphim experimental dreadnought added by Black Ops.
The most important thing, if you don't have control in the air, you've lost
Gyle is my espn
Gap.... I better see some bleating good gunsheep action in here Gyle
The one time I dont play a Dual match and Gyle features it. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
Is that xldealo guy maybe just pronounced "ideal"?
Hey Gyle, I am curious, what software do you use to record these games?
I know all the superweapons that Team 1 had were big priorities, but the sad fact is they just ignored Illuminateone's base the entire match and his air was what kept taking out everything on team 2. Just leveling his base for a single minute would have set Team 1 so far behind that this could have been won in half the time by team 2.
Well it would all have been for nought anyway if Team 1 did what Gyle said to do - build new Paras immediately and spread them out. We wouldn't have had such a cool game to watch though :)
Yeah that one nuke totally glitched out
This game looks very cool, I can’t wait to check it out. I’m just not so sure it can stand up to Myth II Soulblighter 6v6s tho !
how active is this game now?
1:05:00 "How do I pronounce "xldealo"?
"Extra Large Dealeo" is my guess.
15:44
REYF: Omae wa mou shinderu
Sorcery: NANI?!
Dude team 1 wins. Everyone bailed XD That's a riot.
I have all supreme commander’s how can i play multiplayer matches?
Google forged alliance forever!!! Community made mod. Really awesome
there's a link to the faf client in the description above ^^
Forged alliance forever. It isnt really a mod more so a community client that updates the game, adds balancing and tweaks, and additional features like phantom game mode or murder party. You'll be able to find dozens of games, some custom with some mods, others vanilla. It's free to download on the site but you do need to link your steam account to it. Search up forged alliance forever, and download It to play. Also check out some supcom youtubers like brnkoinsanity and join their discord to get in games with people in vc.
that's amazing :D
Finally a new map.
new map? Played for like past 1 year, this is a updated one.. 3-4 months?
People still play Supreme Commander in 2020?
*My faith in humanity is restored.*
just installed supreme commander today and youtube recommended this ?????????
They're watching you... ;)
Don’t stop making supreme commander videos pls. I love this game. I play ps4 and want a pc so I can play this game😞