Did your video mean to cut out around 2:40? Dude your series is great and it's nice to see how far you've come. So to summarize, you're getting nose down by turning the key? And what have you done differently to get your speed up? Your spin is nice. I found I got more spin by curling my wrist in like Tristan Tanner says in his video. Got an extra 100 RPM
I can confirm that Neil's latest videos on nose angle is all you need to confidently work on proper "nose form"😋 In my brain though, I don't think turn the key. I think turn my palm to the sky with a clenched fist in the follow through. But that is the motion. Nothing else.
Yeah just letting the song finish and since this was just a form progression vid it's more for historical record than a tech disc test video which would normally have closing thoughts. Next session I'll focus on the same things and do a tech disc test video with some more thoughts and explanation. The speed increase I mostly attribute to a higher pull through (thinking high chest). I've tried keeping the elbow more up before but never thought about pulling through higher because I thought higher than what I did was likely too high, but it seems like it's helped with quite a bit including forcing keeping the elbow up. Other things I was focusing on I had been focusing on for a few sessions previously to up to a few weeks: more scapular protraction maintained through the pocket, wrist curl, crouching lower into the x step, and bracing enough to reduce the amount of spinning out over the brace during the follow through (getting lower on X step helps keep weight lower and behind brace more easily too), and preemptive core activation before the runup even starts. I did a wrist curl tech disc test video early on and got a pretty significant spin boost in that video, so I agree that wrist curl (once you have a decent pocket) is one of the biggest factors for increasing spin: th-cam.com/video/lC7BgVNbuiU/w-d-xo.html The nose down is 100% from turn the key even when it doesn't look obvious due to not using a lot of briefcase at the start of the pocket sometimes.
@@AxisDiscPowers yeah, it may feel harder to be powerful when focusing on it initially but once you build up muscle memory for extreme nose down then when you throw -4 it will feel easy and not exaggerated at all or affect your power or overall form much by that point.
Nice work! What do you think the biggest thing was that brought you from 62-69/70? I’m in the same range and trying to get my max up to 70 for next season.
amazing development. I am kinda surprised to see how late your front foot is getting down relative to peak reach back. Is that something you want to change? I can't argue with your results, so no judgments... More that I always hear about how critical this is...and here you're throwing pro speeds with out.
Great work. You are really starting to feel where to find the power. It's difficult to see in the videos, but I will try to give you the next pointers for more power. In your front leg, you dip very low in the plant. This slows you down. You still have to push more into your front leg in a lateral move. Drive yourself to the plant. Almost like you are coming from below. Then almost jump in a twisting motion. But don't try to twist. Make it more a push of a button. Get back to me if things work, because it would be fascinating.😂😂
I was trying to get lower on the back leg a bit here and in previous sessions which should help keep weight lower down and more easily behind the brace, but it probably caused me to also get lower overall on the front leg too. Just took a look at kuoksa and see him getting pretty low in the back leg but by the time the brace lands the brace knee isn’t very bent. I tried a few weeks ago a longer brace stride and felt a little discomfort in the front hip so I’ll probably have to try it some more on lower power to work up to it.
@disc-golf-neil Kuoksa is interesting. But look at his legs. He is not human and can power up where we mortals can't I think. So, I think his comfort zone is low because he is just very strong in the legs. I mean. He hit 90mph on xstep. Doesn't matter if if was 130g disc. That is insane. Anyway. I'm not running a channel here on youtube, so everything I do is not as open as your work. But if you look at my latest loop video. Does it look like I am pushing off the front leg? I do believe I can get even more power pushing even harder from the front leg to get more vertical force. But looking at the leg. It's almost static. I am pushing though. Hard. But I am pushing with both legs just as I feel my weight is even between the two legs. Imagine you were preparing to jump. Would you land on the front leg first and then jump, or would you set yourself up to jump with both legs? I "stole" this idea directly from ballgolf power driving. Jump twist. But it only works if you set yourself up properly in the xstep. Which I noticed worked perfectly when imitating Kuoksa. I also already had the feels from before in the standstill. Something you can see in one of my shorts where I'm in my shorts😋 I sit down and stand up explosively and hit 68mph and it feels like nothing.
@@disc-golf-neil Another tip. If you feel like you straighten your back leg before landing into the xstep, you should also feel that your body wants to coil when you sit into the leg. Almost like the leg is a hydrolic for your coil. At least it's a good timing que for me.
@@disc-golf-neil AI response on the kinetic sequence of the legs: Certainly! Let's break down the kinetic sequence in the legs during a powerful golf swing in great detail: ### 1. Backswing - **Back Leg (Trail Leg)** - **External Rotation**: As the golfer takes the club back, the back leg externally rotates to store energy. The golfer's weight shifts onto the inside of the back foot. - **Loading**: The back leg supports the majority of the golfer's weight, creating a stable base. - **Front Leg (Lead Leg)** - **Internal Rotation**: The front leg internally rotates slightly. - **Light Loading**: The front leg bears less weight but remains engaged to maintain balance. ### 2. Transition (Top of Backswing to Start of Downswing) - **Back Leg (Trail Leg)** - **Initiation of Internal Rotation**: The back leg starts to internally rotate, initiating the downswing. This rotation helps to generate torque. - **Shift of Weight**: The weight begins to transfer from the back leg to the front leg. - **Front Leg (Lead Leg)** - **Brace and Support**: The front leg braces itself to prepare for the incoming weight transfer. - **Stabilization**: The front leg stabilizes, creating a firm post for the hips to rotate around. ### 3. Downswing - **Back Leg (Trail Leg)** - **Continued Internal Rotation**: The back leg continues to internally rotate, driving the hip rotation. - **Push-Off**: There is a push-off action from the back leg, helping to transfer energy up the kinetic chain. - **Front Leg (Lead Leg)** - **Absorption of Weight**: The front leg absorbs the weight shift from the back leg. - **Extension (Push-Up)**: The front leg pushes up and back, straightening slightly. This action aids in rotating the pelvis and generating more clubhead speed. ### 4. Impact - **Back Leg (Trail Leg)** - **Stabilization**: At impact, the back leg stabilizes, providing a strong base. - **Support**: The back foot remains grounded to support the overall balance and stability of the golfer. - **Front Leg (Lead Leg)** - **Full Extension**: The front leg is almost fully extended, helping to maximize the hip rotation and clubhead speed. - **Anchor Point**: The front leg acts as an anchor, allowing the upper body to rotate around it. ### 5. Follow-Through - **Back Leg (Trail Leg)** - **Release**: The back leg may release some of its tension as the swing completes. - **Rotation**: The back foot might lift slightly off the ground, following the rotation of the hips. - **Front Leg (Lead Leg)** - **Balancing Act**: The front leg helps maintain balance as the golfer completes the follow-through. - **Stabilization**: The front leg continues to stabilize the golfer, preventing them from falling forward. ### Forces Involved - **Torque**: The internal and external rotations of the legs create torque, which is a critical force in generating power. - **Ground Reaction Force (GRF)**: Both legs interact with the ground to generate GRF, which is the force exerted by the ground back onto the body. This force helps to propel the golfer upwards and forwards. - **Push and Pull**: The push from the back leg and the pull from the front leg work together to create a dynamic and powerful movement. This sequence ensures that the energy generated from the legs travels up through the body, resulting in a powerful and efficient golf swing. The coordination and timing of these movements are crucial for achieving optimal performance. Let me know if you need further details or have any other questions!
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Great form and a very informative channel, great tips thanks !
Did your video mean to cut out around 2:40?
Dude your series is great and it's nice to see how far you've come. So to summarize, you're getting nose down by turning the key? And what have you done differently to get your speed up? Your spin is nice. I found I got more spin by curling my wrist in like Tristan Tanner says in his video. Got an extra 100 RPM
I can confirm that Neil's latest videos on nose angle is all you need to confidently work on proper "nose form"😋
In my brain though, I don't think turn the key. I think turn my palm to the sky with a clenched fist in the follow through. But that is the motion. Nothing else.
Yeah just letting the song finish and since this was just a form progression vid it's more for historical record than a tech disc test video which would normally have closing thoughts.
Next session I'll focus on the same things and do a tech disc test video with some more thoughts and explanation.
The speed increase I mostly attribute to a higher pull through (thinking high chest). I've tried keeping the elbow more up before but never thought about pulling through higher because I thought higher than what I did was likely too high, but it seems like it's helped with quite a bit including forcing keeping the elbow up. Other things I was focusing on I had been focusing on for a few sessions previously to up to a few weeks: more scapular protraction maintained through the pocket, wrist curl, crouching lower into the x step, and bracing enough to reduce the amount of spinning out over the brace during the follow through (getting lower on X step helps keep weight lower and behind brace more easily too), and preemptive core activation before the runup even starts.
I did a wrist curl tech disc test video early on and got a pretty significant spin boost in that video, so I agree that wrist curl (once you have a decent pocket) is one of the biggest factors for increasing spin: th-cam.com/video/lC7BgVNbuiU/w-d-xo.html
The nose down is 100% from turn the key even when it doesn't look obvious due to not using a lot of briefcase at the start of the pocket sometimes.
@@AxisDiscPowers yeah, it may feel harder to be powerful when focusing on it initially but once you build up muscle memory for extreme nose down then when you throw -4 it will feel easy and not exaggerated at all or affect your power or overall form much by that point.
Nice work! What do you think the biggest thing was that brought you from 62-69/70? I’m in the same range and trying to get my max up to 70 for next season.
amazing development. I am kinda surprised to see how late your front foot is getting down relative to peak reach back. Is that something you want to change? I can't argue with your results, so no judgments... More that I always hear about how critical this is...and here you're throwing pro speeds with out.
damn thats fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great work. You are really starting to feel where to find the power.
It's difficult to see in the videos, but I will try to give you the next pointers for more power.
In your front leg, you dip very low in the plant. This slows you down. You still have to push more into your front leg in a lateral move. Drive yourself to the plant. Almost like you are coming from below. Then almost jump in a twisting motion. But don't try to twist. Make it more a push of a button.
Get back to me if things work, because it would be fascinating.😂😂
I was trying to get lower on the back leg a bit here and in previous sessions which should help keep weight lower down and more easily behind the brace, but it probably caused me to also get lower overall on the front leg too.
Just took a look at kuoksa and see him getting pretty low in the back leg but by the time the brace lands the brace knee isn’t very bent.
I tried a few weeks ago a longer brace stride and felt a little discomfort in the front hip so I’ll probably have to try it some more on lower power to work up to it.
@disc-golf-neil Kuoksa is interesting. But look at his legs. He is not human and can power up where we mortals can't I think. So, I think his comfort zone is low because he is just very strong in the legs. I mean. He hit 90mph on xstep. Doesn't matter if if was 130g disc. That is insane.
Anyway. I'm not running a channel here on youtube, so everything I do is not as open as your work. But if you look at my latest loop video. Does it look like I am pushing off the front leg? I do believe I can get even more power pushing even harder from the front leg to get more vertical force. But looking at the leg. It's almost static. I am pushing though. Hard. But I am pushing with both legs just as I feel my weight is even between the two legs. Imagine you were preparing to jump. Would you land on the front leg first and then jump, or would you set yourself up to jump with both legs?
I "stole" this idea directly from ballgolf power driving. Jump twist. But it only works if you set yourself up properly in the xstep. Which I noticed worked perfectly when imitating Kuoksa.
I also already had the feels from before in the standstill. Something you can see in one of my shorts where I'm in my shorts😋 I sit down and stand up explosively and hit 68mph and it feels like nothing.
@@disc-golf-neil Another tip. If you feel like you straighten your back leg before landing into the xstep, you should also feel that your body wants to coil when you sit into the leg. Almost like the leg is a hydrolic for your coil. At least it's a good timing que for me.
@@disc-golf-neil AI response on the kinetic sequence of the legs:
Certainly! Let's break down the kinetic sequence in the legs during a powerful golf swing in great detail:
### 1. Backswing
- **Back Leg (Trail Leg)**
- **External Rotation**: As the golfer takes the club back, the back leg externally rotates to store energy. The golfer's weight shifts onto the inside of the back foot.
- **Loading**: The back leg supports the majority of the golfer's weight, creating a stable base.
- **Front Leg (Lead Leg)**
- **Internal Rotation**: The front leg internally rotates slightly.
- **Light Loading**: The front leg bears less weight but remains engaged to maintain balance.
### 2. Transition (Top of Backswing to Start of Downswing)
- **Back Leg (Trail Leg)**
- **Initiation of Internal Rotation**: The back leg starts to internally rotate, initiating the downswing. This rotation helps to generate torque.
- **Shift of Weight**: The weight begins to transfer from the back leg to the front leg.
- **Front Leg (Lead Leg)**
- **Brace and Support**: The front leg braces itself to prepare for the incoming weight transfer.
- **Stabilization**: The front leg stabilizes, creating a firm post for the hips to rotate around.
### 3. Downswing
- **Back Leg (Trail Leg)**
- **Continued Internal Rotation**: The back leg continues to internally rotate, driving the hip rotation.
- **Push-Off**: There is a push-off action from the back leg, helping to transfer energy up the kinetic chain.
- **Front Leg (Lead Leg)**
- **Absorption of Weight**: The front leg absorbs the weight shift from the back leg.
- **Extension (Push-Up)**: The front leg pushes up and back, straightening slightly. This action aids in rotating the pelvis and generating more clubhead speed.
### 4. Impact
- **Back Leg (Trail Leg)**
- **Stabilization**: At impact, the back leg stabilizes, providing a strong base.
- **Support**: The back foot remains grounded to support the overall balance and stability of the golfer.
- **Front Leg (Lead Leg)**
- **Full Extension**: The front leg is almost fully extended, helping to maximize the hip rotation and clubhead speed.
- **Anchor Point**: The front leg acts as an anchor, allowing the upper body to rotate around it.
### 5. Follow-Through
- **Back Leg (Trail Leg)**
- **Release**: The back leg may release some of its tension as the swing completes.
- **Rotation**: The back foot might lift slightly off the ground, following the rotation of the hips.
- **Front Leg (Lead Leg)**
- **Balancing Act**: The front leg helps maintain balance as the golfer completes the follow-through.
- **Stabilization**: The front leg continues to stabilize the golfer, preventing them from falling forward.
### Forces Involved
- **Torque**: The internal and external rotations of the legs create torque, which is a critical force in generating power.
- **Ground Reaction Force (GRF)**: Both legs interact with the ground to generate GRF, which is the force exerted by the ground back onto the body. This force helps to propel the golfer upwards and forwards.
- **Push and Pull**: The push from the back leg and the pull from the front leg work together to create a dynamic and powerful movement.
This sequence ensures that the energy generated from the legs travels up through the body, resulting in a powerful and efficient golf swing. The coordination and timing of these movements are crucial for achieving optimal performance.
Let me know if you need further details or have any other questions!