Your guest, Dr. Niaz's personality and mannerism seems like he is from 1950s. Quite Refreshing, nothing derogatory about it.. Seems like a well read and genuine person with deep understanding of Indo-Pak history
That will be considered as brain washing,, we can least expect from nehru and Gandhi to be hindu leaders,, they wer secular and a leader to fight against British not any hindu or Muslims
Dr Ilhan Niaz is an insightful and prolific author professor, anyone who have read all 3 of his books know how original and well established historical perspectives. Kudos to bringing him back, Love TPE❤
Thanks Shehzad... wonderful conversation. Enjoyed the history class. The late Charlie Munger said '' There are answers worth billions of dollars in a $30 history book.''
The hate towards Modi and Hindu Raj is so clearly visible with the questions asked. Often Muslims, specially of Pakistan, think that minorities would have same fate as they had in Islamic republic of Pakistan. They either lack in knowledge or try to avoid the following which happened under "HINDU RAJ"- 1. Jews have lived in BHARAT for MORE THAN 2000 YEARS without any anti-semitism. 2. 1st Mosque built in BHARAT was in 629 AD by order of HINDU KING. 3. ZOROASTRIANS or PARSIS have lived in BHARAT for centuries after MUSLIMS and ISLAM started butchering their civilisation. 4. BUDDHISTS of TIBET have considered BHARAT their home since CHINESE occupied TIBET. 5. SIKHS, JAINS, AADI-VASIs ( TRIBALS) live in this country peacefully without for centuries. 6. POLISH people were given asylum during WORLD WAR 2 by HINDU Maharaja, he not only took care of their living but also of their EDUCATION IN POLISH Language. Also, we DO NOT TRY TO CONVERT PEOPLE every now and then. ISLAM and HINDUTVA (Hinduism in english) CAN NEVER BE SAME. Hindus have PROVED for more than 2000 YEARS that multiple faiths can co-exist with theirs, MUSLIM AND ISLAM has to PROVE THAT.
The DV No use to tell any thing about Indian or Hindu way of life to these Pakistanis because Right from their childhood they were thaught in their school to hate India & Hindu so they become the frog of a well interesting fact is they even don't want to know the truth my personal opinion is they will not listen anything which is truth. BHAI YE NAHI SUDERNGE
What an intellectual talk. What a speaker. I have read Dr. Johan previously but hearing him was a completely different experience altogether. Excellent podcast TPE
The identity of a civilizational state stems from its culture and shared values, while as for a nation state the identity is mostly constitutional. China,Russia, Iran and India are examples for civilizational states.
@@muddi900hosakta hai aap masoom na ho aur samajhdar ho....instead of giving a blanket statement that it is manjan, why can't you explain that it is not a civilisational state? Manjan aur churan aapka apne paas rakho
Great talk he's telling the stories of countries in a way not telling the fact who's behind what, just like the mainstream news, But he made some great points even though you didn't ask as many questions, great talk , thanks
Sir Ilhan the Great. No one matches the intellectual maturity of our teacher, great historian and political thinker. Such a great debate. I always thought Sir Ilhan is missing in your pod but you filled the gap. Thanks
Well, this host openly accused Indians of trolling in a programme on The Black Hole. To avoid that all mention of and comparison with India should be avoided. It only invites a plethora of Modi supporters from our Hindi speaking states commenting while Pakistanis don't interact. I wish Ghias and Muzammil well and hope they get their message across to their own countrymen.
You are doing great job, by exposing the real history of Pakistan, which was suppresed by so called military establishment of Pakistan to make humans who don't ask questions and just follow the which was asked to them, but because of persons like you it is changing. Love you from sukkur, sindh❤
Great insight into how Post-colonial states are formed and how much it sets the tone of everything related to statecraft and nation building. Great articulation by Dr. Ihan we should cherish these gems in our academia. Great Podcast and good to see Shehzad somewhat silent in this one :-)
First time knowing about and listening to Dr. Niaz. Very smart, an excellent talk it is. Such people begin to give one a sliver of hope for our country.
Well the Gini coefficient of india at independence was estimated to be between 48.2 and 49.7 currently its at 34.2 according to the world bank statistics. So whats the basis of his claim that india today is more unequal than colonial times? Infact according to world bank statistics inequality in india is trending downwards since 2017. Brazil is not geographically larger than the US. I couldn't find any reliable data on enequality in cuba, but whatever open source data i could find showed a gini index close to 50! So what is the basis of the claim that cuba is so equal? I agree with your initial premise that conclusions drawn from generalized numberical scores might not be fully accurate or complete but also feel conclusions drawn entirely from perceptions are much more prone to manipulation and individual subjectivity.
@@vinsin328 what are your conclusions based on? Tweets on twitter or comments on youtube where 1% population of the country participate in? People may certainly get emotional at times to claim that their decisions don't have any rationality is a tall claim to make!
Well providing free education to ALL of it's citizens irrespective of their financial background... or provides free health services to all of its people etc.... These aren't just on paper but can be seen in actual results such as life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.. one can have objections on Cuba, but on such parameters, it by far exceeds south Asian countries
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s that's great! I suppose my objection was to his diagnosis that all of this was due to this great equality that they have, which needs substantiation. I suppose my general diassappointment with him was, that despite being from the academia most of his arguments lacked any data or references and felt very inductive.
@@ThePakistanExperience I have read one of his books (An Inquiry into the Culture of Power of the Subcontinent) after watching him on Uzair's podcast few years back. Excellent author. I was very impressed by his multi-dimensional worldview. He's so zen talking about history 😀
This is perhaps the most illuminating discussion I observed in a long time. Dr. Niaz is a gift to Pakinstan if they can learn from his wisdom. Not only about the India/Pakistan dichotomy but also the post-colonial serendipity of the elite. A spectacular discovery! Thanks TPE.
The podcast was fantastic! The content was deeply insightful, engaging, and expertly presented-I was hooked from start to finish. Dr. Ilhan truly stands out as an exceptional academician and historian of our era. Big applause to the host for delivering such valuable and enjoyable content.
Always been watching 3-4 series of different kinds at a time. Now, it's your podcasts that I take turns watching. Such strong work, Shehzad, love it as always. P.S. Hope you do not stop making these, as you mentioned somewhere else.
@@ThePakistanExperienceAbout the question What Did Nehru get right which led to establishment of deep roots of democracy in india , don't you think this ultimately proved that Nehru was right in opposing Jinnah's demand for separate electorate ?
12 years of education in pakistan and i still don't know anything about this country. Thankyou shehzad for these history classes that we so badly need🫶💗
Hey......have been watching a lot of this channel for the past few months and I'd love to connect with a normal Pakistani citizen. I've tried on a couple of platforms but most people just don't reply or stop after a couple of questions 😅 is there any chance you can help me out with this one? I want to learn about your specific region and life experiences in context of the topics discussed in this and various other podcasts
Modernized dictatorship vs. personalized dictatorship. Love the analysis!!! In my humble opinion - Anytime a human gets engrossed with himself (dictatorship or democracy (current state of neighbors wink wink)) it always leads to long term decline in the decades to come, while it may look like success in the short term.
Democracy VS Dictatorship in Muslim Countries. Kisse bhi Musalmaan mulk main (jahan amaan aur sakoon hai wahan) haqeeqi jamhooriyaat nahi bulkay haqeeqi amriyaat hai. Kya is baat sai yea sabbit nahi ho jatta kay Pakistan ko bhi democracy ke nahi bulkay eik achi dictatorship ke he zarooraat hai? Ghareeb ko rotti, kappra, makaan aur insaaf chahe yea bus. Jamhooriyaat ho ya amriyaat, is sai koi faarq nahi parta. Waarna har dossra shaaks roz-gaar kay leyea Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Qatar aur China nahi ja raha hotta khushi khushi. Shayad Musalmaan aur Jamhooriyaat eik saath nahi chal saktay. Jahan Islam hai wahan Amriyaat zaroori hai. Kya khiyaal hai? Sochain zara. Siyasaat sai pehlay Riyasaat. PAKISTAN ZINDABAAD!!! PAK FAUJ ZINDABAAD!!! ☝🏼⚔️🦁💚🇵🇰💚🦁⚔️✊🏼
*کیا فاسق وفاجر اور ظالم وجابر حکمران کی اطاعت مسلمانوں پر واجب ہے؟* قسط: 1️⃣ 🇵🇰🇸🇦 بقلم طالب الجامعة الإسلامية بالمدينة المنورة، المملكة العربية السعودية. 🇵🇰🇸🇦 *أبو القاسم فائق ذو الفقار الحنبلي...* ---------------------------------- الحمد لله رب العالمين والصلاة والسلام على نبينا محمد وعلى آله وأصحابه أجمعين أما بعد: فاسق وفاجر اور ظالم وجابر مسلمان حکمران کی اطاعت کی فرضیت ایک ایسا امر ہے جو اہل السنہ والجماعۃ کے اصل اصول میں سے گردانا جاتا ہے، اور یہی وہ اصول ہے جس میں اہل سنت مکمل طور پر اہل بدعت سے ممتاز نظر آتے ہیں، اور اسلام کے لازمی ارکان میں سے ایک یہ ہے کہ اجتماعیت کے بغیر کوئی دین نہیں ہے، اور امامت کے بغیر کوئی اجتماعیت نہیں ہے اور سمع واطاعت کے بغیر کوئی امامت نہیں ہے، اور جب جہالت عام ہو جاتی ہے اور اہل السنۃ کے عقائد پر افکار منحرفہ کی دھول جمع ہونا شروع ہوجاتی ہے تو ایسے وقت میں ان کا اس بنیادی اصول سے تمسک اور زیادہ مضبوط ہوجاتا ہے، اور یہ اس کا اور بھی زیادہ خیال رکھتے ہیں۔ اس موضوع کی اپنی جگہ بڑی اہمیت ہے لوگوں کی اس بارے میں حاجت کے پیش نظر خصوصاً اس زمانے میں جس میں آپ پر مخفی نہیں کہ لوگوں کی حالت کیا ہے الا من رحم اللہ۔ اور یہ ملک ( بلاد التوحيد ) الحمدللہ اب تک خیر میں ہے، اب تک اللہ تعالی کی نعمت کے سایے میں ہے، اللہ تعالی سے دعا ہے کہ وہ اسے قائم دائم رکھے اور اس کا ہم پر اور آپ سب پر اتمام فرمائے، اور ہر جگہ مسلمانوں کے احوال کی درستگی فرمادے، اور دشمنان دین اور مسلمانوں کے بارے میں گردش ایام کے منتظر لوگوں کی کمر توڑکر کے رسوا فرمائے۔ اس لئے اس مسئلے کی اہمیت کو اجاگر کرنے کے لئے میں قارئیں کرام کے لئے قسطوں کی شکل میں اس موضوع کو ترتیب دے رہا ہوں جس میں فاسق وفاجر اور ظالم وجابر مسلمان حکمران کی اطاعت وفرمانبرداری کی اہمیت خوب واضح کی گئی ہے۔ ہماری اللہ سے دعا ہے کہ اللہ اسے قارئین کے لئے فائدہ مند بنائے، اور اسے اپنی رضا کے لئے خالص کرے۔ قرآن کریم سے دلائل: يَاأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّـهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ ۖ فَإِن تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللَّـهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّـهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا " اے ایمان والو! فرمانبرداری کرو اللہ تعالیٰ کی اور فرمانبرداری کرو رسول (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) کی اور تم میں سے اختیار والوں (حاکم) کی۔ پھر اگر کسی چیز میں اختلاف کرو تو اسے لوٹاؤ، اللہ تعالیٰ کی طرف اور رسول کی طرف، اگر تمہیں اللہ تعالیٰ پر اور قیامت کے دن پر ایمان ہے۔ یہ بہت بہتر ہے اور باعتبار انجام کے بہت اچھا ہے۔ (سورۃ : النساء، آیت نمبر 59) اس آیت میں حکام وقت کی اطاعت کی فرضیت کا بیان ہے. اب سوال یہ پیدا ہو رہا ہے کہ اگر حاکم فاسق وفاجر اور ظالم وجابر ہو تو کیا تب بھی اس کی اطاعت کی جاۓ گی؟ جى ہاں اگر مسلمان حاکم فاسق وفاجر اور ظالم وجابر ہو تب بھی اس کی اطاعت کی جاۓ گی. اس بات کی وضاحت صحیح مسلم کی اس روایت سے ہوتی ہے: سیدنا خذیفہ بن الیمان رضی اللہ عنہ سے روایت ہے، میں نے عرض کیا: یا رسول اللہ! ہم برائی میں تھے پھر اللہ نے بھلائی دی، اب اس کے بعد بھی کچھ برائی ہے؟ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا: ”ہاں۔“ میں نے کہا: پھر اس کے بعد بھلائی ہے؟ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا: ”ہاں۔“ میں نے کہا: پھر اس کے بعد برائی ہے؟ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا: ”ہاں۔“ میں نے کہا: کیسے؟ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا: " يكون بعدي ائمة لا يهتدون بهداي، ولا يستنون بسنتي، وسيقوم فيهم رجال قلوبهم قلوب الشياطين في جثمان إنس " ”میرے بعد وہ لوگ حاکم ہوں گے جو نہ تو میری سنت پر چلیں گے اور نہ میرے طریقے کی پیروی کریں گے ان میں ایسے لوگ پیدا ہوں گے جن کے جسم انسانوں کے ہوں گے اور دل شیطان کے ۔“ میں نے عرض کیا: " كيف اصنع يا رسول الله، إن ادركت ذلك؟ " " اے اللہ کے رسول! اگر میں ایسے لوگوں کو پالوں تو کیا کروں؟ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا: " تسمع وتطيع للأمير، وإن ضرب ظهرك، وأخذ مالك فاسمع وأطع " " حاکم وقت کی سنو اور اس کی اطاعت کرو، اگرچہ تمہاری پیٹھ پر مارے اور تمہارا سارا مال تم سے چھین لے۔ پس سنو اور اطاعت کرو ۔" (صحیح مسلم: 1847)۔ واللہ اعلم.
I don't know why but my comment is not posted the way I want it. Usually, I am that kind of guy who listens to your podcasts passively -while doing something else as well. But this one I don't know why forced me to look at the screen frequently. Both of you held yourself extremely well together. Anyways, always with --#TPEFamily-- since their first upload. In my thoughtful and rationale upbringing, Shahzad has played an exceptional role. My children -future- along with me owe you so much.
I still feel folks in pakistan dont analyse india well. Its a problem because if the well read do not understand their so called enemy the relations can never be improved. The culture of scholarship is severly lacking in Pakistan.
If it was not for the Armed forces of Pakistan, our so called civilian leaders would have amalgamated Pakistan with India by now in my opinion.....God bless the Armed forces of Pakistan 🇵🇰 the seventh strongest in the world 🌎
wouldn't have been such a bad thing TBH . A united india would've had a STRONG Muslim minority and politicians would have to cater to muslim voices in order to form government. just add up the total muslim population of india ( 197 million)+PAK ( 240 million)+ Bangladesh( 169 million) = 606 million people . That about the same amount of muslims and hindus.
Shahzad, please work on the voice volume of the guests. There is this continuous drop of voice/volume due to which, it becomes extremely difficult to comprehend, what is being said.
An enlightened conversation. Liked his comparison of Brazil and Mexico and how Pakistan and India can learn from all that. Please invite more people like him. It really takes up our knowledge quotient
This guy looks like the Bollywood actors of the 30s/40s/50s Kundan Lal Sehgal, Bharat Bhushan etc. I almost expected him to start singing "ik bangla bane nyara.." with a peti hanging from his neck.
Historian teaching partition in typical hindu-muslim binary taught in Pakistan.... And saw this guy at every india Pak debates on partition from Pak side and taking typical Pak rhetoric in a sober way and it's said if a guy is seen at all places at all times is a guy from powerful and who are they in Pak everybody know..... Don't try to interfere in Indian election bcoz u have failed earlier in 4state elections and people of India are wise enough, they don't vote locally seeing Pak podcast or bbc or cnn or franch24. People of India have known all political parties from a long time , they know who's who... Don't need foreigners to teach Indian Hindus how to behave with their Indian muslims and vice versa who have been living side by side for hundreds of years and who have intermarriages,school friends,paly mates and who have faught foreigners including pakis side by side in Kashmir and elsewear.... Look inside bcoz time is running out.... Best of luck
And the establishment of Pakistan have a typical modus operandy..... They give foreign trips as gift to their people after a project for a particular time period and narrative is over... Seen with many youtubers from Pak..... Typical..... You, that black hole guy, channels on strategic issues during last election brought that Jeffrey guy from France to influence with some fake statistics....... Please follow Indian parliament debates and q and a sections of my parliament for authentic information bcoz my parliament is constitutionally bound to give auntentic information not these so called independent analyst, media houses, narrative spanning interested parties.... By the way communal violence in India have dropped considerably in last many years which is authenticated by parliament in this so called hindu fascist modi govt and share of all minorities and I mean all minorities not just muslims in all govt sector have risen relatively in past years...... So study first and don't blindly follow politically movitated narratives of opposition in India....
The anchor has done an excellent job too. And has a good insight into the problem. It is time Pakistanis start speaking clearly about what went wrong. Also discuss the Establishment or the Deep State
What is the use of talking about past..Pakistan will never learn its lesson nor you are going to change...become you think if you change your religion feelings will hurt become u have been taught being a Muslim assures you victory...
Shehzad!! This chap is brilliant. He articulated the key causes post 1953 as to why Pak was on a rotten course, with little chance of recovery. You guys ARE in a TOUGH spot!
If India elects Nehru as prime minister for 15 years then wah ! But if the same people elect Modi as prime minister then the democracy is being hollowed out ?
@@politicalscience-768very rightly said, if there had been true democracy in india under modi rss bjp hindutva manuwaad then every rape jihad ki najayaz paidaish ganduudin namazi aashiq gay rasool jamat I ghasti islami LeT Huji HuM simi and there salwari supporters would have been dispatched to there 72 hijabi musalminas ka dalla Allah tallah wala jannat
Shehzad Prof Sahib teaches in the same college where my grandfather also taught as a HOD. My father, uncles and aunts also got educated in Government College-Lahore pre-partation. Overall a very educative podcast. Good to see and hear such a scholar especially out of what Pakistan is now. Kudos!
Ayyub Khan could have done the land reforms? I didn’t hear poorer joke than this in my life. Pakistan was created to preserve disproportionate land ownership by powerful people of the reagon. Come on you guys are not even funny. 🙃🙃🙃
Undoubtedly Nehru was India's best primeminister. I do see Dr Ilhan still mouthing silly arguments on income inequality. First during Nehruvian socialism a lot of people were starving even though there was reduction in inequality. Now a lot of people have basic needs met ( with govt intervention) while inequality is growing. I think it's a utopian concept to have equality between all its citizens for huge countries ....for countries with less than a few million it's more possible and for countries with pop > 100 million it becomes far more difficult. This whole thing about hollowing out India is a silly argument... institutions decide how strong a country is and they undergo changes...no central govt in India can enforce it's view as india is too diverse and never can more than 50% of India be ruled by a single party.
a dictatorship will never succeed in India there will always be cycles of strong big brother governments returning to power but ultimately they must all fall.
Pakistanis are a martial race as well pious Muslims . Sharia rule under Military and Islamic religious leaders will unite Pakistanis and make it a ideal Islamic nation
What? In this podcast, they talked about multiple things which India did, that Pakistan should've also done. Dimagh nai chalta kiya? Bas zaleel hone ka shoq ha?
How easy it is to look back at history and draw a neat path linking actions and consequences leading to current circumstances, right? Why can we not predict the future with reasonable accuracy given this knowledge? In any case, I liked this guest. Though it seems like an error to draw sweeping narratives from historical events. BTW for all the fetishisation of Nehru, India did not have smooth power transfer till the 80s. In fact BJP was the first non congress government to complete it's full term 1999-2004. So you might need to re-read your history books there. European renaissance happened under despots as well.
@@DADDYG-Ryder it created in effect a laboratory of democracy where non congress parties were trained in democracy. Otherwise if communists had come to power 5 years in we would have easily collapsed as a country.
Congress had Gandhi and Dr Ambedkar Muslim League had none.. Congress had galaxy of leaders apart from Nehru...Sardar Patel, Rajgopalachari , Rajendra Prasad..I am quoting famous Pakistani Historian Ayesha Jalal.. What is Muslim League... myself and my typewriter..thus spoke Jinah.. Muslim League had no leadership..that lead to chaos and eventually military takeover.. Your guest is finding it difficult to compare Muslim League with Congress
Ambedkar was not in Congress. He was anti congress. Only leader that matters in Congress was Nehru who was getting inflused from Lady Mountbatten and Kashmiri Muslims.
Quite a good discussion. Fairly honest. Except does not admit that if you form a nation based on a lie then those who had the vested interest to do so will keep manipulating the truth in their interest
What? Democracy is about majority. Get a dictionary mate. In a representative democracy the majority of people vote for a certain leader and get he/she will govern the country with the help of other representatives that are voted in by the majority but from a constituency. FYI, there are only 1 or 2 true democracies, India is a republic and USA is a federal republic. They claim they are democracies but they are not
hamarey civilian hukmaran ko kyu samajh nahi ayi ki their responsibility was to create a constitution and create a governance structure for the country? The very thing that Indian civilian leaders did. Indian leaders were leaders of the whole country from all of pre-partition India - who led the freedom movement.I think the explanation of our leaders' behaviour is this - the leadership that built pakistan had no vision - they were just oppurtunistic crooks who wanted power, used religion as an excuse & religious mob violence as the means. They were never genuine leaders of people. And the country continues to suffer because we cannot accept the collective failure in making the country.
My thoughts. First why is this half in Urdu half in english. It’s not like TH-cam is banning anything dangerous. Second, what and why is power. Egotism and greed and a failure to recognize there is only one true power in the universe has led to an awakening. The poor are happy when they are free to love and enjoy life a bit. The middle class are happy when they are safe, honored for hard work, and treated justly, the rich are truly never happy because they must live in fear in both life and death, image is everything you keep them in check by keeping truth hidden. The armed forces must believe their is honor in the lie. To work the rich must keep image and actually endeavor to put a likable desirable product on the table, ie, keep those slaves relatively satisfied. Hope is essential. Where the puppet kings you speak of lost the world. Can you guess? SIN. The excesses of the 7 deadly GREED, GLUTTONY, LUST, ENVY, WRATH, SLOTH, EGO (ie pride entitlement). What I a poor American woman who strove only to love the world found. The ignorance of greed and underestimating the love of god which is simply good led to world destroying choices. This is the other nations one chance to change America. How and why? Americans were lied to from birth, just like the rest of you. Americans for the most part are generous, kind, and non judgmental (the identity politics debacle in which men are women, slavery fell from the sky and Victoria secrets models were freed from sex box, 🙄as if hardworking people didn’t have enough to worry about like butter going to 5 dollars. Or banks just giving away their retirement funds. No you never here about that. But then how can we advance you’ve been poisoning us with pills forever and we trusted our doctors to not be dealers for pharma. We had choices in religion, honor, goodness and now, we don’t. Kids have been stolen by universities and brainwashed. I’m under no illusion that election holds meaning and I’m ready to team up with any decent people who are sick of the crap. Luckily we are supporting all those criminal immigrants so we need not worry if the army jumps aboard. My question for those who’ve taken advantage of our generousity. Have you been tortured, damaged by actual war, stabbed, shot, poisoned. American poor have survived and are armed. Brings me back to the original point. Since idiots lost the faith of our country. We see every leader of every country as puppet till proven otherwise, princes never fight. And ever rich man as a potential threat looking to sell something. If the rest of the world would like a better solution now is the time to take our power back. Since most countries sensor I assume that is why I had to use google translate. My only obstacle, why do the rich stay in power, they play the blame game. Let’s just call them the rich people pretending to be Muslim Christian good Hindu buddest, because those infiltrators bought all religions and are turning them to ash….for the love of money. I’m am truly grateful for informing me Pakistan had a democracy they lie about that.
Your guest, Dr. Niaz's personality and mannerism seems like he is from 1950s. Quite Refreshing, nothing derogatory about it.. Seems like a well read and genuine person with deep understanding of Indo-Pak history
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According to pak history nehru gandhi was a hindu nationalist thats why jinnah made pakistan ☪️️
In odd days n🇵🇰 1:01:00 -Modi is a hindu nationalist
What ever you do, pakistanis will not accept or acnkowledge progress of india.
That will be considered as brain washing,, we can least expect from nehru and Gandhi to be hindu leaders,, they wer secular and a leader to fight against British not any hindu or Muslims
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Dr Ilhan Niaz is an insightful and prolific author professor, anyone who have read all 3 of his books know how original and well established historical perspectives. Kudos to bringing him back, Love TPE❤
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Dr. Ilhan has such a soothing voice and a calm demeanor. I could feel you were enjoying him talk. Thank you 🙏
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He is perhaps the most articulate guest that has come on the podcast so far.
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Thanks Shehzad... wonderful conversation. Enjoyed the history class. The late Charlie Munger said '' There are answers worth billions of dollars in a $30 history book.''
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The hate towards Modi and Hindu Raj is so clearly visible with the questions asked.
Often Muslims, specially of Pakistan, think that minorities would have same fate as they had in Islamic republic of Pakistan.
They either lack in knowledge or try to avoid the following which happened under "HINDU RAJ"-
1. Jews have lived in BHARAT for MORE THAN 2000 YEARS without any anti-semitism.
2. 1st Mosque built in BHARAT was in 629 AD by order of HINDU KING.
3. ZOROASTRIANS or PARSIS have lived in BHARAT for centuries after MUSLIMS and ISLAM started butchering their civilisation.
4. BUDDHISTS of TIBET have considered BHARAT their home since CHINESE occupied TIBET.
5. SIKHS, JAINS, AADI-VASIs ( TRIBALS) live in this country peacefully without for centuries.
6. POLISH people were given asylum during WORLD WAR 2 by HINDU Maharaja, he not only took care of their living but also of their EDUCATION IN POLISH Language. Also, we DO NOT TRY TO CONVERT PEOPLE every now and then.
ISLAM and HINDUTVA (Hinduism in english) CAN NEVER BE SAME.
Hindus have PROVED for more than 2000 YEARS that multiple faiths can co-exist with theirs, MUSLIM AND ISLAM has to PROVE THAT.
The DV No use to tell any thing about Indian or Hindu way of life to these Pakistanis because Right from their childhood they were thaught in their school to hate India & Hindu so they become the frog of a well interesting fact is they even don't want to know the truth my personal opinion is they will not listen anything which is truth. BHAI YE NAHI SUDERNGE
Sabr ka phal meetha hota hai. Hamaray liyay tau hoga meray bachay, magar tumharay liyay nahi
Your Hero Veer Savarkar once said "Hindutva has nothing to do with Hinduism while Hindutva is a complete different ideology."😮
You forgot about the destruction of Babri masjid and countless anti Muslim riots. Listen to Ravish Kumar to get your facts straight.
@@DonJuan-b9u Bhai main tau keto diet kar raha hun, mujhay aata nahi chahiyay
What a gem of academia.
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Good talk. Very insightful. Especially the take on histories of Pakistan, South America and Africa.
Guest speaker explained in an exquisitely beautiful manner
Ilhan Niaz :One of the greatest minds this country has ever produced
Wah, listening to Dr Saab for the first time... Fan hogaya yr ... Thank u TPE
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What an intellectual talk. What a speaker. I have read Dr. Johan previously but hearing him was a completely different experience altogether. Excellent podcast TPE
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India is a civilizational state not a nation state.
Log exist krte they bna to 1947 mein hi h
bhai yeh manjan apni masoom janta ko baicho. Hamein aisay manjan 20 saal pehlay bechay thay.
What would be the meaning of civilizational state?
The identity of a civilizational state stems from its culture and shared values, while as for a nation state the identity is mostly constitutional.
China,Russia, Iran and India are examples for civilizational states.
@@muddi900hosakta hai aap masoom na ho aur samajhdar ho....instead of giving a blanket statement that it is manjan, why can't you explain that it is not a civilisational state? Manjan aur churan aapka apne paas rakho
Great historian Dr. Ilhan Niaz. Very good discussion.
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What a great guest to have! Thoroughly enjoyed this discussion.
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Great talk he's telling the stories of countries in a way not telling the fact who's behind what, just like the mainstream news,
But he made some great points even though you didn't ask as many questions, great talk , thanks
Sir Ilhan the Great. No one matches the intellectual maturity of our teacher, great historian and political thinker. Such a great debate. I always thought Sir Ilhan is missing in your pod but you filled the gap. Thanks
He has been on before
26:58 Hindustan comes into the discussion again. And Indians are expected not to troll.😂
He didn't say anything wrong to get trolled. You're just insecure
Well, this host openly accused Indians of trolling in a programme on The Black Hole. To avoid that all mention of and comparison with India should be avoided. It only invites a plethora of Modi supporters from our Hindi speaking states commenting while Pakistanis don't interact. I wish Ghias and Muzammil well and hope they get their message across to their own countrymen.
You are doing great job, by exposing the real history of Pakistan, which was suppresed by so called military establishment of Pakistan to make humans who don't ask questions and just follow the which was asked to them, but because of persons like you it is changing. Love you from sukkur, sindh❤
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Great insight into how Post-colonial states are formed and how much it sets the tone of everything related to statecraft and nation building. Great articulation by Dr. Ihan we should cherish these gems in our academia. Great Podcast and good to see Shehzad somewhat silent in this one :-)
So your definition of colonialism is restricted to British colonialism..... not Turk and Arabic colonialism is it???
First time knowing about and listening to Dr. Niaz. Very smart, an excellent talk it is. Such people begin to give one a sliver of hope for our country.
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Very enlightening. Thanks to Mr ilhan and finally thanks Shahzad ❤
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Thanks for having him. More & more of him in the future please.
Dr. Ilhan is indeed very eloquent.
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Well the Gini coefficient of india at independence was estimated to be between 48.2 and 49.7 currently its at 34.2 according to the world bank statistics. So whats the basis of his claim that india today is more unequal than colonial times? Infact according to world bank statistics inequality in india is trending downwards since 2017. Brazil is not geographically larger than the US. I couldn't find any reliable data on enequality in cuba, but whatever open source data i could find showed a gini index close to 50! So what is the basis of the claim that cuba is so equal? I agree with your initial premise that conclusions drawn from generalized numberical scores might not be fully accurate or complete but also feel conclusions drawn entirely from perceptions are much more prone to manipulation and individual subjectivity.
In the case of India, emotions have more value than logic or data.
@@vinsin328 what are your conclusions based on? Tweets on twitter or comments on youtube where 1% population of the country participate in? People may certainly get emotional at times to claim that their decisions don't have any rationality is a tall claim to make!
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Well providing free education to ALL of it's citizens irrespective of their financial background... or provides free health services to all of its people etc.... These aren't just on paper but can be seen in actual results such as life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.. one can have objections on Cuba, but on such parameters, it by far exceeds south Asian countries
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s that's great! I suppose my objection was to his diagnosis that all of this was due to this great equality that they have, which needs substantiation. I suppose my general diassappointment with him was, that despite being from the academia most of his arguments lacked any data or references and felt very inductive.
Wonderful. Shehzad would love to see more talks on Nehru.
Really eloquent guest.
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@@ThePakistanExperience I have read one of his books (An Inquiry into the Culture of Power of the Subcontinent) after watching him on Uzair's podcast few years back. Excellent author. I was very impressed by his multi-dimensional worldview. He's so zen talking about history 😀
What a great personality and the way he speak is so calming!
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Tremendous podcast with dr Ilhan Niaz the
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Dr. Niyaz: Very beautiful perspective and outlook. Great work Shehzaad!!
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This is perhaps the most illuminating discussion I observed in a long time. Dr. Niaz is a gift to Pakinstan if they can learn from his wisdom. Not only about the India/Pakistan dichotomy but also the post-colonial serendipity of the elite. A spectacular discovery!
Thanks TPE.
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The podcast was fantastic! The content was deeply insightful, engaging, and expertly presented-I was hooked from start to finish. Dr. Ilhan truly stands out as an exceptional academician and historian of our era. Big applause to the host for delivering such valuable and enjoyable content.
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Every minute of podcast is highly Meaningful and informative .
I listened every minute of podcast
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Excellent!! Very informative 👍🏼
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Always been watching 3-4 series of different kinds at a time. Now, it's your podcasts that I take turns watching. Such strong work, Shehzad, love it as always. P.S. Hope you do not stop making these, as you mentioned somewhere else.
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@@ThePakistanExperienceAbout the question What Did Nehru get right which led to establishment of deep roots of democracy in india , don't you think this ultimately proved that Nehru was right in opposing Jinnah's demand for separate electorate ?
12 years of education in
pakistan and i still don't know anything about this country.
Thankyou shehzad for these history classes that we so badly need🫶💗
Hey......have been watching a lot of this channel for the past few months and I'd love to connect with a normal Pakistani citizen. I've tried on a couple of platforms but most people just don't reply or stop after a couple of questions 😅 is there any chance you can help me out with this one? I want to learn about your specific region and life experiences in context of the topics discussed in this and various other podcasts
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Amazing insight!Dr Ilhan
Very sorted out thoughts. Learnt and realized a few things.
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Kindly keep on bringing amazing people.
Personally I have learnt a lot from you and from your guests.
Thank you
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Interesting, and informative.Good choice of guest.
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Such an erudite scholar. Great episode 🙏
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Modernized dictatorship vs. personalized dictatorship. Love the analysis!!! In my humble opinion - Anytime a human gets engrossed with himself (dictatorship or democracy (current state of neighbors wink wink)) it always leads to long term decline in the decades to come, while it may look like success in the short term.
Democracy VS Dictatorship in Muslim Countries.
Kisse bhi Musalmaan mulk main (jahan amaan aur sakoon hai wahan) haqeeqi jamhooriyaat nahi bulkay haqeeqi amriyaat hai.
Kya is baat sai yea sabbit nahi ho jatta kay Pakistan ko bhi democracy ke nahi bulkay eik achi dictatorship ke he zarooraat hai?
Ghareeb ko rotti, kappra, makaan aur insaaf chahe yea bus. Jamhooriyaat ho ya amriyaat, is sai koi faarq nahi parta. Waarna har dossra shaaks roz-gaar kay leyea Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Qatar aur China nahi ja raha hotta khushi khushi.
Shayad Musalmaan aur Jamhooriyaat eik saath nahi chal saktay. Jahan Islam hai wahan Amriyaat zaroori hai.
Kya khiyaal hai? Sochain zara. Siyasaat sai pehlay Riyasaat.
PAKISTAN ZINDABAAD!!!
PAK FAUJ ZINDABAAD!!!
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*کیا فاسق وفاجر اور ظالم وجابر حکمران کی اطاعت مسلمانوں پر واجب ہے؟* قسط: 1️⃣ 🇵🇰🇸🇦
بقلم طالب الجامعة الإسلامية بالمدينة المنورة، المملكة العربية السعودية. 🇵🇰🇸🇦
*أبو القاسم فائق ذو الفقار الحنبلي...*
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الحمد لله رب العالمين والصلاة والسلام على نبينا محمد وعلى آله وأصحابه أجمعين أما بعد:
فاسق وفاجر اور ظالم وجابر مسلمان حکمران کی اطاعت کی فرضیت ایک ایسا امر ہے جو اہل السنہ والجماعۃ کے اصل اصول میں سے گردانا جاتا ہے، اور یہی وہ اصول ہے جس میں اہل سنت مکمل طور پر اہل بدعت سے ممتاز نظر آتے ہیں، اور اسلام کے لازمی ارکان میں سے ایک یہ ہے کہ اجتماعیت کے بغیر کوئی دین نہیں ہے، اور امامت کے بغیر کوئی اجتماعیت نہیں ہے اور سمع واطاعت کے بغیر کوئی امامت نہیں ہے، اور جب جہالت عام ہو جاتی ہے اور اہل السنۃ کے عقائد پر افکار منحرفہ کی دھول جمع ہونا شروع ہوجاتی ہے تو ایسے وقت میں ان کا اس بنیادی اصول سے تمسک اور زیادہ مضبوط ہوجاتا ہے، اور یہ اس کا اور بھی زیادہ خیال رکھتے ہیں۔ اس موضوع کی اپنی جگہ بڑی اہمیت ہے لوگوں کی اس بارے میں حاجت کے پیش نظر خصوصاً اس زمانے میں جس میں آپ پر مخفی نہیں کہ لوگوں کی حالت کیا ہے الا من رحم اللہ۔ اور یہ ملک ( بلاد التوحيد ) الحمدللہ اب تک خیر میں ہے، اب تک اللہ تعالی کی نعمت کے سایے میں ہے، اللہ تعالی سے دعا ہے کہ وہ اسے قائم دائم رکھے اور اس کا ہم پر اور آپ سب پر اتمام فرمائے، اور ہر جگہ مسلمانوں کے احوال کی درستگی فرمادے، اور دشمنان دین اور مسلمانوں کے بارے میں گردش ایام کے منتظر لوگوں کی کمر توڑکر کے رسوا فرمائے۔
اس لئے اس مسئلے کی اہمیت کو اجاگر کرنے کے لئے میں قارئیں کرام کے لئے قسطوں کی شکل میں اس موضوع کو ترتیب دے رہا ہوں جس میں فاسق وفاجر اور ظالم وجابر مسلمان حکمران کی اطاعت وفرمانبرداری کی اہمیت خوب واضح کی گئی ہے۔ ہماری اللہ سے دعا ہے کہ اللہ اسے قارئین کے لئے فائدہ مند بنائے، اور اسے اپنی رضا کے لئے خالص کرے۔
قرآن کریم سے دلائل:
يَاأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّـهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ ۖ فَإِن تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللَّـهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّـهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا
" اے ایمان والو! فرمانبرداری کرو اللہ تعالیٰ کی اور فرمانبرداری کرو رسول (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) کی اور تم میں سے اختیار والوں (حاکم) کی۔ پھر اگر کسی چیز میں اختلاف کرو تو اسے لوٹاؤ، اللہ تعالیٰ کی طرف اور رسول کی طرف، اگر تمہیں اللہ تعالیٰ پر اور قیامت کے دن پر ایمان ہے۔ یہ بہت بہتر ہے اور باعتبار انجام کے بہت اچھا ہے۔
(سورۃ : النساء، آیت نمبر 59)
اس آیت میں حکام وقت کی اطاعت کی فرضیت کا بیان ہے.
اب سوال یہ پیدا ہو رہا ہے کہ اگر حاکم فاسق وفاجر اور ظالم وجابر ہو تو کیا تب بھی اس کی اطاعت کی جاۓ گی؟ جى ہاں اگر مسلمان حاکم فاسق وفاجر اور ظالم وجابر ہو تب بھی اس کی اطاعت کی جاۓ گی. اس بات کی وضاحت صحیح مسلم کی اس روایت سے ہوتی ہے:
سیدنا خذیفہ بن الیمان رضی اللہ عنہ سے روایت ہے، میں نے عرض کیا: یا رسول اللہ! ہم برائی میں تھے پھر اللہ نے بھلائی دی، اب اس کے بعد بھی کچھ برائی ہے؟
آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا: ”ہاں۔“
میں نے کہا: پھر اس کے بعد بھلائی ہے؟
آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا: ”ہاں۔“
میں نے کہا: پھر اس کے بعد برائی ہے؟
آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا: ”ہاں۔“
میں نے کہا: کیسے؟
آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا:
" يكون بعدي ائمة لا يهتدون بهداي، ولا يستنون بسنتي، وسيقوم فيهم رجال قلوبهم قلوب الشياطين في جثمان إنس "
”میرے بعد وہ لوگ حاکم ہوں گے جو نہ تو میری سنت پر چلیں گے اور نہ میرے طریقے کی پیروی کریں گے ان میں ایسے لوگ پیدا ہوں گے جن کے جسم انسانوں کے ہوں گے اور دل شیطان کے ۔“
میں نے عرض کیا:
" كيف اصنع يا رسول الله، إن ادركت ذلك؟ "
" اے اللہ کے رسول! اگر میں ایسے لوگوں کو پالوں تو کیا کروں؟
آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا:
" تسمع وتطيع للأمير، وإن ضرب ظهرك، وأخذ مالك فاسمع وأطع "
" حاکم وقت کی سنو اور اس کی اطاعت کرو، اگرچہ تمہاری پیٹھ پر مارے اور تمہارا سارا مال تم سے چھین لے۔ پس سنو اور اطاعت کرو ۔"
(صحیح مسلم: 1847)۔
واللہ اعلم.
Very good analysis, the best comment is at 50:00 mins
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We have great intellectuals in our country
Indian fan, Another great conversation Shezad, Keep it up !
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Nice podcast 👍
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2 hrs of historical perspective. But no solution.
Excellent podcast
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V good podcast. Watching from India.
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I don't know why but my comment is not posted the way I want it.
Usually, I am that kind of guy who listens to your podcasts passively -while doing something else as well. But this one I don't know why forced me to look at the screen frequently. Both of you held yourself extremely well together. Anyways, always with --#TPEFamily-- since their first upload. In my thoughtful and rationale upbringing, Shahzad has played an exceptional role. My children -future- along with me owe you so much.
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I still feel folks in pakistan dont analyse india well. Its a problem because if the well read do not understand their so called enemy the relations can never be improved. The culture of scholarship is severly lacking in Pakistan.
Very mature and visionary discussion
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Dr Ilhan Niaz ❤❤ Only stalwart in QAU to look upon as an example.
If it was not for the Armed forces of Pakistan, our so called civilian leaders would have amalgamated Pakistan with India by now in my opinion.....God bless the Armed forces of Pakistan 🇵🇰 the seventh strongest in the world 🌎
wouldn't have been such a bad thing TBH . A united india would've had a STRONG Muslim minority and politicians would have to cater to muslim voices in order to form government. just add up the total muslim population of india ( 197 million)+PAK ( 240 million)+ Bangladesh( 169 million) = 606 million people . That about the same amount of muslims and hindus.
Shahzad, please work on the voice volume of the guests. There is this continuous drop of voice/volume due to which, it becomes extremely difficult to comprehend, what is being said.
Man the Islamabad podcasts have been truly top-notch 👌 You should consider shifting base Shehzad 😅
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If only Islamabad had good food
You ought to fix your sleep schedule brother 😬@@ThePakistanExperience
I am not in Pakistan :p
An enlightened conversation. Liked his comparison of Brazil and Mexico and how Pakistan and India can learn from all that. Please invite more people like him. It really takes up our knowledge quotient
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This guy looks like the Bollywood actors of the 30s/40s/50s Kundan Lal Sehgal, Bharat Bhushan etc. I almost expected him to start singing "ik bangla bane nyara.." with a peti hanging from his neck.
Great podcast. Kudos
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Nehru's greatest contribution was IIT and ISRO
HE was corrupt like any other politician but he knew how to play long game.
What corruption was Nehru involved in?
@@lanoklom9697 mostly railway funds. But mainly he influenced his party to accept his daughter as next leader.
@@lanoklom9697 first corruption in india Jeep scam....u can google it
less than modi but he won't care@@lanoklom9697
Nehru was against IITs. ISRO started after his death.
Aaj establishment ka banda Lake bhai.. ne Parish vacasation book kar li after italy😂😂😂
He’s a Professor, establishment ka Banda kahan say laye ho bhai ?
@@ThePakistanExperience Professor working at a University Funded and Controlled by Establishment.
Therefore - Establishment ka Banda
Historian teaching partition in typical hindu-muslim binary taught in Pakistan.... And saw this guy at every india Pak debates on partition from Pak side and taking typical Pak rhetoric in a sober way and it's said if a guy is seen at all places at all times is a guy from powerful and who are they in Pak everybody know..... Don't try to interfere in Indian election bcoz u have failed earlier in 4state elections and people of India are wise enough, they don't vote locally seeing Pak podcast or bbc or cnn or franch24. People of India have known all political parties from a long time , they know who's who... Don't need foreigners to teach Indian Hindus how to behave with their Indian muslims and vice versa who have been living side by side for hundreds of years and who have intermarriages,school friends,paly mates and who have faught foreigners including pakis side by side in Kashmir and elsewear.... Look inside bcoz time is running out.... Best of luck
And the establishment of Pakistan have a typical modus operandy..... They give foreign trips as gift to their people after a project for a particular time period and narrative is over... Seen with many youtubers from Pak..... Typical..... You, that black hole guy, channels on strategic issues during last election brought that Jeffrey guy from France to influence with some fake statistics....... Please follow Indian parliament debates and q and a sections of my parliament for authentic information bcoz my parliament is constitutionally bound to give auntentic information not these so called independent analyst, media houses, narrative spanning interested parties.... By the way communal violence in India have dropped considerably in last many years which is authenticated by parliament in this so called hindu fascist modi govt and share of all minorities and I mean all minorities not just muslims in all govt sector have risen relatively in past years...... So study first and don't blindly follow politically movitated narratives of opposition in India....
My best teacher ever, much respect for him ❤
Great Show Shehzad
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The anchor has done an excellent job too. And has a good insight into the problem. It is time Pakistanis start speaking clearly about what went wrong. Also discuss the Establishment or the Deep State
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Shehzad always comes with something to learn from. Keep it up and stay blessed.
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What is the use of talking about past..Pakistan will never learn its lesson nor you are going to change...become you think if you change your religion feelings will hurt become u have been taught being a Muslim assures you victory...
Excellent. ISB podcast series is top notch
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Dr Ilhan can become our morgan freeman. 😅
Shehzad!! This chap is brilliant. He articulated the key causes post 1953 as to why Pak was on a rotten course, with little chance of recovery. You guys ARE in a TOUGH spot!
Please!!!!! What’s happening with PTI now is totally different than what happened to their opponents!!!! THERES NO COMPARISON
Thank u shazady
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If India elects Nehru as prime minister for 15 years then wah ! But if the same people elect Modi as prime minister then the democracy is being hollowed out ?
Democracy shouldn't be limited to elections.
@@politicalscience-768very rightly said, if there had been true democracy in india under modi rss bjp hindutva manuwaad then every rape jihad ki najayaz paidaish ganduudin namazi aashiq gay rasool jamat I ghasti islami LeT Huji HuM simi and there salwari supporters would have been dispatched to there 72 hijabi musalminas ka dalla Allah tallah wala jannat
good podcast but bhai nehru ko foreigner na prove kar dena 44:00 aik nayi controversu ho jayegi 😂😂
Nehru refused to hold an Indian Passport.
@@vinsin328 source? whatsapp group ka link na bhejna.
Good insights
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Shahzad, good choice of topics and guests at your channel
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1:04:00 He means to say that, Nehru made everyone more equal, I mean more equally poor.....😂😂😂😂
Exactly everyone is poor in a ideal leftist society😂
Brilliant!
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Shehzad Prof Sahib teaches in the same college where my grandfather also taught as a HOD. My father, uncles and aunts also got educated in Government College-Lahore pre-partation.
Overall a very educative podcast. Good to see and hear such a scholar especially out of what Pakistan is now. Kudos!
Beautiful!
1:16:23 This analysis 🙌.
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Ayyub Khan could have done the land reforms? I didn’t hear poorer joke than this in my life. Pakistan was created to preserve disproportionate land ownership by powerful people of the reagon. Come on you guys are not even funny. 🙃🙃🙃
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Undoubtedly Nehru was India's best primeminister.
I do see Dr Ilhan still mouthing silly arguments on income inequality. First during Nehruvian socialism a lot of people were starving even though there was reduction in inequality. Now a lot of people have basic needs met ( with govt intervention) while inequality is growing. I think it's a utopian concept to have equality between all its citizens for huge countries ....for countries with less than a few million it's more possible and for countries with pop > 100 million it becomes far more difficult. This whole thing about hollowing out India is a silly argument... institutions decide how strong a country is and they undergo changes...no central govt in India can enforce it's view as india is too diverse and never can more than 50% of India be ruled by a single party.
😂😂😅 comdey never ends in Pakistan 😂😂😂😂
a dictatorship will never succeed in India there will always be cycles of strong big brother governments returning to power but ultimately they must all fall.
Pakistanis are a martial race as well pious Muslims . Sharia rule under Military and Islamic religious leaders will unite Pakistanis and make it a ideal Islamic nation
What about Zia's rule..? Did Pakistan flourish under Zia's rule..?
Pakistan is destined to go to dogs..
Irrespective of who rules Pakistan..
This is the dumbest comment I have seen. Please read history and educate yourself.
Hahahaha nice to see that comedy is still alive and well in Pakistan
Martial race who have never won a single war
@@vardhamanpatil1539yes it did it’s just people will take time to judge such a towering Islamic leader
Such an awesome podcast.
Lot's of love from India ❤
Love from Mars likh deta bsdk
Pakistani Liberia ya Siberia se toh seekhenge par bagalgheer Hindustan ya Phir Bangladesh se kabhi nahin seekhenge. Beizzati hogi na?
What? In this podcast, they talked about multiple things which India did, that Pakistan should've also done.
Dimagh nai chalta kiya? Bas zaleel hone ka shoq ha?
@@waleedabbas4996zaleel toh Pakistani hote hai 😂😂 har jgh
How easy it is to look back at history and draw a neat path linking actions and consequences leading to current circumstances, right? Why can we not predict the future with reasonable accuracy given this knowledge? In any case, I liked this guest. Though it seems like an error to draw sweeping narratives from historical events.
BTW for all the fetishisation of Nehru, India did not have smooth power transfer till the 80s. In fact BJP was the first non congress government to complete it's full term 1999-2004. So you might need to re-read your history books there. European renaissance happened under despots as well.
India had tons of power transfers at the state level till then.
@@AKumar-co7oeyeah, but in centre congress was there for 54 years until now
@@DADDYG-Ryder it created in effect a laboratory of democracy where non congress parties were trained in democracy. Otherwise if communists had come to power 5 years in we would have easily collapsed as a country.
Congress had Gandhi and Dr Ambedkar Muslim League had none..
Congress had galaxy of leaders apart from Nehru...Sardar Patel, Rajgopalachari , Rajendra Prasad..I am quoting famous Pakistani Historian Ayesha Jalal..
What is Muslim League... myself and my typewriter..thus spoke Jinah..
Muslim League had no leadership..that lead to chaos and eventually military takeover..
Your guest is finding it difficult to compare Muslim League with Congress
Ambedkar was not in Congress. He was anti congress. Only leader that matters in Congress was Nehru who was getting inflused from Lady Mountbatten and Kashmiri Muslims.
Still they were tall, white and handsome, atleast that's what they think about them
Quite a good discussion. Fairly honest. Except does not admit that if you form a nation based on a lie then those who had the vested interest to do so will keep manipulating the truth in their interest
democracy means inclusivity not majority, if it is majority : Punjab should run pakistan!
What? Democracy is about majority.
Get a dictionary mate.
In a representative democracy the majority of people vote for a certain leader and get he/she will govern the country with the help of other representatives that are voted in by the majority but from a constituency.
FYI, there are only 1 or 2 true democracies, India is a republic and USA is a federal republic. They claim they are democracies but they are not
Classic podcast.
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hamarey civilian hukmaran ko kyu samajh nahi ayi ki their responsibility was to create a constitution and create a governance structure for the country? The very thing that Indian civilian leaders did. Indian leaders were leaders of the whole country from all of pre-partition India - who led the freedom movement.I think the explanation of our leaders' behaviour is this - the leadership that built pakistan had no vision - they were just oppurtunistic crooks who wanted power, used religion as an excuse & religious mob violence as the means. They were never genuine leaders of people. And the country continues to suffer because we cannot accept the collective failure in making the country.
MUSHRAFF time was great but since He was a MOHAJIR Pandus PUNJABI didn't want to succeed and Benazir Bhutto back stab him.
Sir plz invited someone from Gilgit Baltistan ❤
My thoughts. First why is this half in Urdu half in english. It’s not like TH-cam is banning anything dangerous. Second, what and why is power. Egotism and greed and a failure to recognize there is only one true power in the universe has led to an awakening. The poor are happy when they are free to love and enjoy life a bit. The middle class are happy when they are safe, honored for hard work, and treated justly, the rich are truly never happy because they must live in fear in both life and death, image is everything you keep them in check by keeping truth hidden. The armed forces must believe their is honor in the lie. To work the rich must keep image and actually endeavor to put a likable desirable product on the table, ie, keep those slaves relatively satisfied. Hope is essential. Where the puppet kings you speak of lost the world. Can you guess? SIN. The excesses of the 7 deadly GREED, GLUTTONY, LUST, ENVY, WRATH, SLOTH, EGO (ie pride entitlement). What I a poor American woman who strove only to love the world found. The ignorance of greed and underestimating the love of god which is simply good led to world destroying choices. This is the other nations one chance to change America. How and why? Americans were lied to from birth, just like the rest of you. Americans for the most part are generous, kind, and non judgmental (the identity politics debacle in which men are women, slavery fell from the sky and Victoria secrets models were freed from sex box, 🙄as if hardworking people didn’t have enough to worry about like butter going to 5 dollars. Or banks just giving away their retirement funds. No you never here about that. But then how can we advance you’ve been poisoning us with pills forever and we trusted our doctors to not be dealers for pharma. We had choices in religion, honor, goodness and now, we don’t. Kids have been stolen by universities and brainwashed. I’m under no illusion that election holds meaning and I’m ready to team up with any decent people who are sick of the crap. Luckily we are supporting all those criminal immigrants so we need not worry if the army jumps aboard. My question for those who’ve taken advantage of our generousity. Have you been tortured, damaged by actual war, stabbed, shot, poisoned. American poor have survived and are armed. Brings me back to the original point. Since idiots lost the faith of our country. We see every leader of every country as puppet till proven otherwise, princes never fight. And ever rich man as a potential threat looking to sell something. If the rest of the world would like a better solution now is the time to take our power back. Since most countries sensor I assume that is why I had to use google translate. My only obstacle, why do the rich stay in power, they play the blame game. Let’s just call them the rich people pretending to be Muslim Christian good Hindu buddest, because those infiltrators bought all religions and are turning them to ash….for the love of money. I’m am truly grateful for informing me Pakistan had a democracy they lie about that.
Zabardazt guftagu
What were the problems of nehruvian socialism?
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