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- BMW 335i N54 6AT w xHP DRAG MODE: TRY IT!!
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JUST AN UPDATE! DRAG MODE ROCKS, A GOOD CONDITION TRANS WILL HANDLE FROM EXPERIENCE AROUND 700FT/LBS. HOWEVER BE WARNED THE TRANS WONT ERROR IF IT SLIPS.
Mine started slipping in 6th recently. I did get drivetrain malfunction and a code for "gear ratio monitoring...gearshift 5 to x not plausible". This is on an 8hp45
Need a second opinion pls Andrew! 🙏 should i enable?
My current setup is only:-
Stage 2+
XHP stage 3
2007, e90, 6AT with 180k km (111k miles)
Stock turbo
I think I might be at 360rwhp but never dyno’d. (Nothing crazy)
Just not sure if it’s still even worth the risk at this power level? The box will hold ok you think ?
@@MinhNguyen-ry5mp I really like it, i would run it on mine again. However you have to pay attention to slip. With drag mode off the trans will warn you when you have a bad slip. With drag mode on, its your responsibility. My thinking, if the trans slips its cooked anyway. Dylan has been running it on his MHD stage 2+ car since this video with no issues. We killed the trans in the flow max car in a matter of a week. However the flow max car was likely around 700whp and a huge amount of mid range torque.
@@ZeroTo60Tube really appreciate your feedback! Your a bloody legend! I think you have helped me made up my mind. And I know obviously subjective to the condition of each trans. But Dylan’s car is prob a good example! (As mine similar) Good to know!
Hopefully I get the same jaw dropped reaction. Lol!
Thanks 🙏
@@ichoozjc where were you at HP/TQ?
Love how honest you’re trying to approach everything from times in draggy, this is why almost after 3 years I always get excited about a video!loving the new series and love&views that you’re getting recently 🤙🏻
XHP made the single biggest difference to my 135. In either D, M and S modes it eliminated that "large elastic band" feeling and even with stock power makes it feel like a proper beast.
I was going to wait until i did the trans solenoids and seals like you did in the first video of the new build. I'm still going to do the solenoids and seals But black Friday and this video convinced me to get it now. I haven't tried it yet but I'm excited to. Thanks for the push. I am a little concerned with my trans though as I'm running a very high mileage car. (dirt cheap for $1500). My last 335i had much lower mileage but it shifted exactly the same as this one does. I sold it at 98,000KM. My present one is at 305,000KM LOL. But it's running like a dream! (Lots of Maintenance mind you). But the 6hp is ..... It's sloppy. Especially in Manual mode. It's like "Click .....shift....click ....shift". Hopefully xHP will deal with some of this as well the auto shifts I'm sure will be better. But I guess I'll see how it goes tomorrow. Thanks again for the great content guys! Just FYI, I'm now running X Delete (which gives me full rear wheel drive instead of the Xdrive). Pro Tool for coding and many other things. Which works great but not cheap. MHD stage 2+ on 95 Mon (We get 94 mon with 10% Ethanol at the pump then I'm using a Octane booster to get the points up) and now XHP Flash as of Tomorrow.
Its me! Im the dude from Texas haha! Rod's tune is amazing. The drag mode xhp feels similar but rods did still provide better times for me!
17t's, fbo, inlets & outlets from viv, e40 tune on stock fuel system besides bucketless lpfp stage 2, gutted pretty well, stock 189 style wheels & 235 rear all season tires... did 6.77 60-130 which is 5.85 100-200km/h
I'm using DM on an 8hp, around 500whp and the shifts are indeed smooth and powerful. Love drag mode! It's like a whole new transmission.
Hows your transmission holding up
@@IN54ANE 6th gear is slipping, looking for a rebuild 🤣. Its all good, I anticipated something to break at 97k miles.
@@ichoozjc do you blame drag mode
@@IN54ANE heck no! They state very clearly that it can cause 4x the wear rate on the transmission. I took the chance. I plan on going to a bigger turbo, so I didn't expect the hp45 to have a long life. I'm already well above it rated torque, drag mode just sped things up. It's still very drive able. My tuner told me about a trans fluid that has helped a lot. Don't get drivetrain malfunction any more, but you can feel it pulling power. Im pretty sure that the 8hp only has 3 sensors, an input, output and temperature sensor. And it does a good job of protecting itself if it sees any slip. I'll keep beating on it till I find a local builder. I might go Pure Drivetrain but they don't have any cores right now. I don't want to be down too long now that summer is here.
I agree totally. I have the ZF8 speed on my 2016 535D stage 2+ diesel. Pushing 600 torque and 400 HP .and the shifting and car feels like a brand new car. It's f in awesome and holds fine.
So crazy how XHP managed to do this really changing the game basically a DCT cheaper transmission if it goes out
Just a recap in case i didn't make it clear enough. Dylans car with original shift solendoids and seals did not shift as hard as our e90 and his box felt fine before. The take away...... do your solenoids and seals ASAP
How did it hit limiter like that? my car has xhp stage 3 v3.0 and still shifts by itself in manual mode.. It's driving me nuts!
That's crazy. I have no tranny tune yet and mine holds the gear
Hey where did you order the solenoids im not sure where to order them from
FCP euro has the cheapest shipping to Australia and lifetime warranty.
@@LuisTorres-jw6lc You can get them on ebay and I believe FCP Euro but check Turner Motorsports too if you're not sure about ordering from ebay.
I just tried it this week, have set to activate when I give high throttle,
it shifts awesome
Will have to do a launch control launch with this now on and see what the 1/4 times comes up on dragy. Gearbox is showing no faults
Guys this is ridiculous! I love xhp! I know it has more wear on transmission but I have a very light car so it helps so much plus I'll just do it on some occasional runs. I am hoping it will shave .2 off my 60 to 130
Man drag mode doesn’t seem to pull torque from the motor on the shift…. It’s what we need to go fast.
@@ZeroTo60Tube yes! When it came out I had a guy test it 100-200 and he came back and said he ran almost .3 faster he used to run 6.78 and then with drag map he ran 6.53 or so. Can you believe it. Btw thanks so much for mentioning me! You guys are awesome!
You should look into a zegg transmission pan. Keeps the transmission cool, more durable, reusable and it’s sexy lol
Hi guys, I’d like to see a tutorial on getting a custom tune to replace an MHD off the shelf map from a tuner like JSR for example. Things I need to supply like logs and current map file, how to do the logs properly and where the current map is found etc. This will definitely help make the tuning process go smoothly for both the tuner and myself, thanks
I'm gonna flash my transmission next week, bought the license today. It's on sale!
thats another reason why my 135 is so quick 720 nm 3XHP stage 3 and MHD V5 40% super spicy 2.78 60-120
yeah it definitely helps, i managed a 2.6 on my first try with drag mode on a stock turbo 2007 335i
@@Silent9n54 thanks man, I’m also on stock turbos and wasn’t sure if it was safe to run drag mode. I think I will very likely enable this now!
@@MinhNguyen-ry5mp use it at your own risk, my buddy tried it and instead of shifting from 4-5 it went to 3rd. He freaked out and removed it :)
I managed a 2.58 recently 60-120 on stock turbos
@@Silent9n54 argh no way! I guess that’s what I’ve been reluctant on - breaking this box and resulting in more $$$ to fix.
My current setup is only:-
Stage 2+
XHP stage 3
2007, e90, 6AT with 180k km (111k miles)
Stock turbo
I think I might be at 360rwhp but not dyno’d. (Nothing crazy)
Just Not sure if it’s still even worth the risk at this power level?
Is love this series! Been looking at a E90 or E60 with the n54 and cannot wait to get my project going
The issue for this is 335is in this generation use a throttle plate torque reduction to help the Trans shift easier and faster. Rather than just slamming it into the next gear. What happens is the throttle plate closes its not smart on a turbo car or any car newer cars use a spark cut torque reduction like modern automatics and dct cars. This drag tune implements that and eliminates the throttle plate reduction making for faster crisper shifts and better power handling without loss of power
Drag mode is incredible 👌 but as soon as I read 4 x clutch Wear I was like 😣
Considering most clutches last 200,000k's..... i figured yolo. Also remember the clutches will only wear if they slip.
Great improvements! Looking forward to more on this build
This is one of my favorite video so far, lol your reactions are awesome
Wow, thanks!
Been waiting for this vid. 👍
Can you raise the rev limter so that you can achieve 100kph in second? Would be interesting to see the times
I could yes. But will save that type of tuning for when it’s getting dialed in.
Not sure I'm going to try drag mode, sounds like my xdrive might not like that
Fair enough. Don’t do it if you’re worried. But man it’s like the forbidden fruit….. how can you resist
It's reminding me of my BF ZF falcon that I actually thought all this time had a box tune but turns it it didn't haha mine does exactly what yours is doing on the 1st to 2nd shift but in the dry on 275 kuhmo rears lol
Dylans car is the only other car I've seen with the same back seat as mine. I personally love the four bucket look
I didn't know that was only an option. Mine has them too but I didn't notice on others if they do or not.
@@friguy4444 it's something I've always looked for. Seriously rare to see it
God this has me wanting to sell my 19t 6mt xi and built a st 6at xi with upgraded clutches. I can’t imagine the cars that would be chopping with proper tuning from a dig and ofc rolls.
Cmon don't be gay. If you wanna be gay though we can set you up with a nice auto car
@@bimmerfab 🤣🤣🤣 we’ll see bro.
Just picked up 09' 535xi and a JB4. Cannot wait to get this beast rolling. Should I do a 17t or 19t?
They are very much of a muchness. What ever you can get a deal on. Try and get proper TD04H chras.
Is there an equivalent tune for 8hp and can you please review it aswell?
Yes! I have xhp with drag mode installed on my 8 hp. It's amazing.night and day difference. His reaction was genuine...I know because I was acting the same.
You really need to try sutphin trans tune!
Teamn54 , brilliant video as usual
Folks, I'm not sure if this video really shows the difference between stock automatic VS with the XHP tune.. let me tell you it is massive! It will shift as quick as a DCT, it honestly completely makes the transmission feel 100% different. It's truly unbelievable. You will also pick up .3-.5 sec in the 1/4 mile..
have you thought about a 6hp28 swap? i think guru garage makes a kit to fit it on the n54.
Absolutely watching the guys testing the trans closely. Unfortunately with the recent software upgrades in the last 12 months from xHP the 6HP21 trans missions are holding a lot more power than they used to, which makes the hp28 upgrades less of a necessity, but i still think the guys running around that 900-1000whp will need them.
I bought my car used with not much history in terms of mods, mine shifts very aggressively i wonder if it has been tuned before...
Possible, you can generally tell if the trans has a tune, but the gear display on the dash cluster, If it displays D1 instead of just D, it has some sort of tune on it.
Hey, builds going well, is there a b58 equivalent?
Question: After You flash xHP do You reset adaptations and do You let the car relearn. If so, with what tune.
Backstory to the question: I did my xHP at a dealer (maybe a mistake). I let the car relearn on JB4 map0. Everything works fine, car feels great. Today I did some pulls in map5 in D mode and the car is struggling on the 4-5 shift with mid-throttle. WOT 1-2-3 is fine. But I cannot do a WOT 4-5 as this will be too fast for comfort. I am a bit concerned I might have a busted the E clutch pack.
You don’t reset adaption when doing xHP only do the reset if you change a physical part in the box. Like seals or solenoids.
Speaking of have you don’t the seals and solenoids yet?
@@ZeroTo60Tube Previous owner told me he did it 5k miles ago, but I am starting to think he didn't. Car is at 110k miles. Next couple of days I will pump out some ATF to check for burnt smell (praying for none) and metal shavings. Might just do seals and solenoids to be sure. It is much cheaper than an E-pack rebuild.
@@ZeroTo60Tube And by the way. Seeing do pulls with such low fuel on a bucketed LPFP is giving me goosebumps. Just recently I was left 1500 feet from the gas station - never below 1/4 again!
Absolutely cheaper and we’ll worth trying before something does get chewed up inside
Yeah, would never do pulls on a car that actually makes power. These won’t hurt it if it runs a little lean from low fuel.
Wow that’s really awesome!
at 0:03 how do you get the rev limiter to bounce off the red line like that?
Mhd shift bog fix (torque limiter 2048 delete).
Tick that box in options when flashing an mhd map. Check my channel for some free revs to go check out my fbo stock oem twins 220k MILE N54 making nearly 500whp
@@fry.master hmm do you know if they have that option on the mhd n55e flasher for the 8hp trans because i cant find it
@@Entertainmentinc1 ah sorry it’s an N54 thing
@@fry.master i just looked it up and apparently the shift bog fix is for manual cars only but dilans car is an auto
@@Entertainmentinc1 the shift bog “fix” is just the torque limiter delete, which is why they say it’s for manual cars as auto on stock trans tune will slip/struggle. If you have xhp you should be flashing the manual version of your tune anyway, maybe if you do so it will give you that option! I was not aware of n55s having the same problem
Hey guys, not sure if you guys have experienced it but with my 335i e90 (07 model) I've ran into a problem where it shutters when you take off and there is barely any power..
So I've checked all the pipes and I can't seem to find anything that would cause the problem so I thought there might be a hairline crack in the charge pipe so I got a cheap ebay one with a BOV and it works perfect but still having the same issue, I've even checked the hot pipe side on the intercooler and still nothing that I can see.
I have been running MHD Stage 1+ with XHP Stage 3 for a while just with VRSF Intakes being the only mod, but one day it spat the dummy and it's having shuttering and loss of power, any idea guys?
(I've also checked codes with MHD and Carly adapter and it hasn't thrown any codes)
Thanks! :)
Injectors? I've heard of a similar problem in the past like that
Hey Sync..... man i had a crappy 2022, just going back through comments i missed before filming anything in 2023. Sorry i missed this. Did you get it sorted?
Scared to do this with 600 whp
It’s a tough one. With 600whp any part of your drivetrain could fail. If wanna go fast tick that box tho.
I had same reaction the first time I did a drag race mode pull on my e92 335i n54 435hp at the time a had cups 2 on it smoked 2nd and 3rd gear after shifting 1st gear I had that same excitement 😅 0-100km/h I got 4.5secs I got stage2 mhd with 650nm and 260.7 wkw 355whp. I done front mount charge pipe catless downpipes valved muffler remote control system catless all the way 😄. I got the dragy app I don't have 60 to 120km/h. How you program that setting?
Do you have the dragy device?
@@tannerwidstrom4456 yes I do mate
@@sterlo53ify it's on there then. I don't remember exactly where but it is there
@ZeroTo60 2 questions;
1. Have you played with the torque reduction customization?
I’ve found as a “daily D mode” values around 6-7% positive work really nice paired with the Shiftmap Editor on Relaxed+, brings a nice kind of DCT changes on low throttle
2. I currently have a xHP tune, should I go back to stock for a fluid / sleeves / solenoids change and also reset the adaptations afterwards so it can relearn on stock tune?
Appreciate your advice
I haven't played with torque reduction to be honest i like the factory settings for d mode and light load driving. Torque reduction for manual mode will result in slower shifts, which is not what we want for times.
Oh and you can do the solenoids and adaptations with xHP, in-fact it would be better with it adapting to xHP shifts than normal shifts.
@@ZeroTo60Tube right, though for some reason for me it feels crisp and quick going through the gears around 1,500rpm at light throttle, but yes, when you step on it could feel a bit slower through the gears,
Still, good you can play with torque reduction configuration on D / S / M individually
@@ZeroTo60Tube Perfect,
I appreciate your answer and advice, will do that, car soon to get 100k km on the clock so it should be about time as preventive maintenance
"Sorry Dyl" 🤣🤣 the lokey 335 sounds awesome !
That compliment will probably make up for the embarrassment haha
@@ZeroTo60Tube the downshifts especially
@@ZeroTo60Tube id like to know what his MHD burble settings are also
I think he has it set to, "Im 18 years old and dont like my turbine wheels....."
@@ZeroTo60Tube 🤣🤣🤣
So I am about to service the zf6hp in my n53 330i before I do the xHP stage 3 tune. I have the oil pan, seals, oil etc. But is there a way to tell if you need to do the solenoids as well or is it always worth doing? Cars on 102,000 miles.
I feel from experience it’s worth doing. However Another way to look at it, when you drop the mechatronics you will leave a fair bit of old oil in the trans. Doing the job again if the shifts aren’t perfect won’t be a bad thing.
If you hate working on the car, do the solenoids the first time. If not do the job as planned and see how it feels if it’s still not rapid shifting do the solenoids then.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Thank you, I was actually thinking the same thing about the oil. I'll see how it feels without the solenoids first.
Andrew, from where I can join the Zero to Sixty Group?
Link is in the description.
What tuner is "better" and why?
The one that cares about your build. Because getting a car 95% dialed is fairly simple. That last 5% is where it’s at. And that is where the fast cars are made.
What’s the build spec of your car?
I did this on my car before i blew the engine, I picked the car up today with the new N54 and still had my old Tune with shift bog delete and drag mode, Low and behold after about an hour or 2 of cruising and 3-4 pulls i got "transmission fault" and it stayed stuck in 2nd until i turned the car off and on, i think either A too much line pressure has worn my clutch packs to dangerously low or B my transmission which is a 6AT is busted. God its just one thing after another :(
I know using the Xhp stage 3 with drag mode does say it will wear the packs down quicker but i dunno, i just might be someone who got unlucky, Original trans and packs have done 260,000 kms!
Increased line pressure will reduce wear on the clutches as they won’t slip as much.
Have you done the seals and solenoids on the trans?
I don't think line pressure wears out clutch faster since it applies max pressure between shifts to give less slip.. less slip less heat less wear.
@@anthonye3680 I am of the same thinking.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Im about to order it all from FCP euro today comes out to $635 USD just checking with a local shop if they have all the parts so i dont have to wait but im going to go for new everything including the new trans pan, 9 litres of oil just incase, solenoids, seals, tubes everything. What sucks is that my mechanic did my transmission service with a new pan and seal but i told him i want new solenoids and mechatronic seals and tubes and he said "its not worth it" Guess how happy i am now i have to pay for another Pan, 7-9 litres of lifeguard ZF and bolts i didnt have to. I should have stuck to my guns but he insisted it would only make it "5-10% better" when i first built the car with new turbos etc.
ill be going the DIY route and doing it myself and borrowing a friends hoist so should be fun!
@@InTuneGarage Yea many good videos on TH-cam to do what's needed. I would have told that mechanic that he owes you a credit or discount for causing you the pain .. if any seal or solinoid is bad it will cause issues.. i feel bad that you got a lazy stupid mechanic.
You mentioned that there are other xHP settings changed, what did you change? All my settings are default as My understanding of them isn’t great 🤦♂️! Thanks
You know what.... tomorrow on our test and tune channel i will do a video on the xHP settings and why i set them the way i do. Try and explain the reasoning behind it.
Link to the second way more nerdy channel - th-cam.com/channels/CYU8Jkhx68xYO-1r5CIdgA.html
@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks dude!
@@ZeroTo60Tube wait.... why am I only seeing this channel now??
Funny enough I ended up buying XHP last night on sale and flashed it. 🤣 I'm not quite blown away with the stage 3 Flash, at least not as much as I thought I would be. But I think maybe it's still adapting?
(Also only 3 minutes into the video)
Also I ended up recording those shifts for you so hope you had a chance to look at it. 👍
Got a link to them? And xHP was not as aggressive on Dylan car. Which you’ll see toward the end.
@@TIPh0enix yeah, you need to drive gently for about 50 miles for adaptations to set. Also need to fiddle with the custom settings to get the most out of it.
@@ZeroTo60Tube th-cam.com/video/5b1P2R4oWaU/w-d-xo.html
@@Saif0412 Hey mate, yeah I didn't actually set the shift speeds to max. They're in the middle. So maybe I'll try that.
Either way the shifts feel very bitey and I love that it's not sloppy anymore.
But will it start 😂 n54life
If i was to buy an n54 335i now, would you recommend the zf or the dct? Power goal would be around 500
Still DCT unless you are chasing 1/4 mile times.
@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks for the answer! Yea i agree i think it’s still the better of the two. No 1/4 mile goals, car would just be a fun weekend car
@@AlluApplepie Well with the xHP Stage 3 with Drag mode and Shift Bog Fix, there's really no difference between the two, but yes it is a tiny bit faster but the ZF the better option in my books
What LSD is in the car bro?
I honestly can't remember, but i do know its a helical LSD. Not a clutched type.
@@ZeroTo60Tube probably m factory?
And break my gearbox? No thanks. Even RDP Tuning has stated that it wears your gearbox 4 times faster. There's already people who has broken it.
What is 4 times faster? Like do you know what that means in a real world case? Cos these boxes will do 300,000plus ks.
Do elaborate good sir
👆🏻
Sell me solenoids and seals Andrew
How much money you got! I do you good price.
@@ZeroTo60Tube my budget is $340 fitted , Jake tells me I have cog of death , heading up tomorrow
slow
Sorry to hear that man.