First step would be to set valve clearance, then compression test. You might get the extra PSI from that. There's a hole in the flywheel for setting the ignition timing and the bolt for it is just below the inlet pushrod tube/tappetblock (first hole is BTDC and second hole is TDC. Triumph has a timing tool for it but you can also use a centerpunch (or screwdriver). This hole makes it easy to find BTDC and set the Boyer ignition timing with the dots.
The only reason these bikes drip oil is because they have not been maintained or reassembled correctly. Ive been running them 40 odd years and all are drip free. A Bonnie that is dripping oil shows its been incorrectly serviced. No excuses.
Depends on where its coming from. Theres an incredible amount of leak info on line...best bet is to make it a game and dont be upset these bikes run forever with oil leaks...congrats on your purchase..I have a '71 5 speed(rare). Nice bikes.@@nigelbeaumont1109
The 1970 onwards the triumphs have a 3124 cam on inlet and exhaust. Unlike the original preunit Bonnie which had a 3124 inlet and 3325 exhaust cam. When you set the cams to T120 seting the inlet cam one tooth advanced that advances the cam 13degrees ahead and increases the exhaust -inlet valve overlap which is fine when the 3325 exhaust cam is used. So the not TR6/T120 setting is better and is hence making more power and torque in the blue bike. To rectify the Bonnie you need to use the vernier cam centers and time the Bonnie with 105 degrees exhaust lobe centres and then the bike will perform. My information of the cams comes from triumph twins by Roy bacon and I follow Mr Pete (Rip)on Brit bike forum 🙏🏻
Hey I like your videos .. I just purchased a 1977 Triumph Bonneville and what's the best engine and clutch oils to use I'm getting a lot of mixed reviews... thanks Stan Scroggins
@@stanscroggins5523 Our favorite and we use it in everything is Mobil 1 v-twin 20-50, it is high in zinc which is what these flat tappet cam engines need, it rates the highest in scar testing and piston, galling, unless we’re braking in a motor we use non synthetic high zinc then we switch it over,
Hi Guys…. I just bought 72 Bonneville and was wondering if the Nuts, Bolts and Washers are just regular Thread and size that are available at a store like Fasteners? Enjoy your Videos. Thanks.
@@nigelbeaumont1109 Thanks, 1972 the Triumphs are getting more hardware with 24tpi, But most all bolts and motor fasteners are special lengths and specific like 13/16 and 23/32 which you can’t find just anywhere and some nuts and bolts are still Whitworth in places And all screws are pozidrive but can be replaced with allen head sets if you want that look lots of people do, When you come across a bolt and nut holding something together you can change that, but if you come across a bolt or a screw screwing in to something be mindful to check those threads before screwing anything in to there,
When I first rebuild and broke in my 1971 Bonneville. I had 170psi/cylinder. After many miles and a decade. I had 150psi/cylinder. Then 120. And just before new rings. 110psi/cylinder. My 650 had more power than my friends 650's. I ran 2" Bub Enterprises pipes and K+N filters. Jetted properly of course. I did a lot of research innold tuning books and the race track. Improving breathing on these bikes gives them a noticeable improvement in power. Much more grunt. If the 71 Bonneville was mine, I would thrash it. Not stupidly. But ride it a little hard. Go through the rpms. I'm thinking the rings haven't bedded in fully yet. I heard someone say 1000 km. If that's all, keep riding, and keep rechecking the compression. How did the cylinder wear measure on both biked? Unless there was a substantial difference, that wouldn't account for the difference. If the Tiger has slightly advanced timing, it will have more power also. Small differences that do add up. Especially with larger pipes, and better breathing pipes. Switch mufflers and try the Bonneville. Just for a short ride. It will be a little lean.
It's getting pretty challenging 29:17 to get to dot dot dot dot to dot dot dot dot lined up. I did a top end on a Daytona and so fortunate never needed to get into the bottom. But you've both been... great! I'll look into more of your work ahead.
I've ridden bikes that were super easy to kick start, but had the same compression numbers as my 64 TR6 which takes a lot of force to kick. I tried out my friends 1957 TR6 and it kicked through so easily I thought the clutch was pulled in or it had crazy low compression.... but the bike started and ran great.. It had 140 or 150 PSI compression when I checked it. I'm still not sure why that bike kicks over with barely any force.
@@pauliebotsI got even more torque out of my tiger by installing two 28 mm carb to manifold gaskets with the two notches in each one the carb stock is 30 mm the hole in the manifold is 30 mm and it won't when it runs through that 28 wow does it increase the power low end
Your video is very interesting, but respectfully standard procedure is leak down test, by putting the cylinder in the top dead center, put 120 psi, check for leaks out of intake, exhaust and breather outlets to pin point the source of the leakage, no offense please.
Thanks, no offense taken, we can try that, we just didn’t try that because the rings, pistons, and bore on the Bonneville are less than 1000 miles but anything’s possible I suppose, thanks for your great suggestion
Really glad I found your channel in diagnosing my 73 tiger
Thanks! These bikes are great but they can be challenging, Glad you are getting it back together!
Love it! Can’t wait to get my T140v on the road not had a ride in over a year.
Such beautiful bikes with such a unique sound - you've done a cracking job 👏👏👏
First step would be to set valve clearance, then compression test. You might get the extra PSI from that.
There's a hole in the flywheel for setting the ignition timing and the bolt for it is just below the inlet pushrod tube/tappetblock (first hole is BTDC and second hole is TDC. Triumph has a timing tool for it but you can also use a centerpunch (or screwdriver). This hole makes it easy to find BTDC and set the Boyer ignition timing with the dots.
The only reason these bikes drip oil is because they have not been maintained or reassembled correctly. Ive been running them 40 odd years and all are drip free. A Bonnie that is dripping oil shows its been incorrectly serviced. No excuses.
I just bought 72 Bonneville in mint condition but it’s dripping Oil. Is there a secret to curing it. The Bike has only 6K on it. Thanks.
Depends on where its coming from. Theres an incredible amount of leak info on line...best bet is to make it a game and dont be upset these bikes run forever with oil leaks...congrats on your purchase..I have a '71 5 speed(rare). Nice bikes.@@nigelbeaumont1109
The 1970 onwards the triumphs have a 3124 cam on inlet and exhaust. Unlike the original preunit Bonnie which had a 3124 inlet and 3325 exhaust cam. When you set the cams to T120 seting the inlet cam one tooth advanced that advances the cam 13degrees ahead and increases the exhaust -inlet valve overlap which is fine when the 3325 exhaust cam is used. So the not TR6/T120 setting is better and is hence making more power and torque in the blue bike. To rectify the Bonnie you need to use the vernier cam centers and time the Bonnie with 105 degrees exhaust lobe centres and then the bike will perform. My information of the cams comes from triumph twins by Roy bacon and I follow Mr Pete (Rip)on Brit bike forum 🙏🏻
@@andremenezes6428 awesome thanks
Hey I like your videos .. I just purchased a 1977 Triumph Bonneville and what's the best engine and clutch oils to use I'm getting a lot of mixed reviews... thanks Stan Scroggins
@@stanscroggins5523 Our favorite and we use it in everything is Mobil 1 v-twin 20-50, it is high in zinc which is what these flat tappet cam engines need, it rates the highest in scar testing and piston, galling, unless we’re braking in a motor we use non synthetic high zinc then we switch it over,
Hi Guys…. I just bought 72 Bonneville and was wondering if the Nuts, Bolts and Washers are just regular Thread and size that are available at a store like Fasteners? Enjoy your Videos. Thanks.
@@nigelbeaumont1109 Thanks, 1972 the Triumphs are getting more hardware with 24tpi, But most all bolts and motor fasteners are special lengths and specific like 13/16 and 23/32 which you can’t find just anywhere and some nuts and bolts are still Whitworth in places And all screws are pozidrive but can be replaced with allen head sets if you want that look lots of people do, When you come across a bolt and nut holding something together you can change that, but if you come across a bolt or a screw screwing in to something be mindful to check those threads before screwing anything in to there,
Just a thought . Retorque the head and readjust the tappets
I can't remember. The dots line up every 70 ish revelations.
I remember 87. Been 40 years.
When I first rebuild and broke in my 1971 Bonneville. I had 170psi/cylinder.
After many miles and a decade. I had 150psi/cylinder. Then 120. And just before new rings. 110psi/cylinder.
My 650 had more power than my friends 650's. I ran 2" Bub Enterprises pipes and K+N filters. Jetted properly of course. I did a lot of research innold tuning books and the race track. Improving breathing on these bikes gives them a noticeable improvement in power. Much more grunt. If the 71 Bonneville was mine, I would thrash it. Not stupidly. But ride it a little hard. Go through the rpms. I'm thinking the rings haven't bedded in fully yet. I heard someone say 1000 km. If that's all, keep riding, and keep rechecking the compression. How did the cylinder wear measure on both biked? Unless there was a substantial difference, that wouldn't account for the difference. If the Tiger has slightly advanced timing, it will have more power also. Small differences that do add up. Especially with larger pipes, and better breathing pipes. Switch mufflers and try the Bonneville. Just for a short ride. It will be a little lean.
It's getting pretty challenging 29:17 to get to dot dot dot dot to dot dot dot dot lined up. I did a top end on a Daytona and so fortunate never needed to get into the bottom. But you've both been... great! I'll look into more of your work ahead.
The compression ratio is not far off 20% less on the Bonnie………that’s a fair bit! I would imagine that is by far your main cause for the power drop….
I've ridden bikes that were super easy to kick start, but had the same compression numbers as my 64 TR6 which takes a lot of force to kick. I tried out my friends 1957 TR6 and it kicked through so easily I thought the clutch was pulled in or it had crazy low compression.... but the bike started and ran great.. It had 140 or 150 PSI compression when I checked it. I'm still not sure why that bike kicks over with barely any force.
You need a new crank seal with the cover off.
with a strobe timing light
the one carb TR6 usually has more low end torque anyway.
Fact
@@pauliebotsI got even more torque out of my tiger by installing two 28 mm carb to manifold gaskets with the two notches in each one the carb stock is 30 mm the hole in the manifold is 30 mm and it won't when it runs through that 28 wow does it increase the power low end
Once the timing makes are set lined up ! Will only line up again every 49 turns. 😱 read the manual 😱😱🇬🇧⛽️
you have to set engine timing with the engine running at 3000 rpm to alow for the auto advanc and retard to work its magic etc,
Your video is very interesting, but respectfully standard procedure is leak down test, by putting the cylinder in the top dead center, put 120 psi, check for leaks out of intake, exhaust and breather outlets to pin point the source of the leakage, no offense please.
Thanks, no offense taken, we can try that, we just didn’t try that because the rings, pistons, and bore on the Bonneville are less than 1000 miles but anything’s possible I suppose, thanks for your great suggestion
@@jessesvintagegarage765 most kind of you gentleman, blessings to you and your love ones, from the endless summer paradise Puerto Rico Jesus Torres.
get them inline fuel filters outta there
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No ballance pipe in the exhaust...
Maybe so,
Balance pipe first year 1969 all BSA and triumphs non stock exhaust on both
If my math is correct you have 30 p.s.i. difference.