This could have been 3x as long, but did my best to focus on the highlights and the all-in-ones specifically in the end (minus their "free bike). I also didn't want to milk this footage (as they fly a lot of people out here), but rather wanted to sum up my main thoughts. For height reference, I'm 6 ft. ➡Additional exclusive savings OFF Everything Force USA, use Code "HYBRID5" or go to: www.forceusa.com/sbt
Last night I ordered my C10 cable machine after watching this video. They had most of the weight stack models in stock and the C10 made more sense for me.
I just ordered mine (C10+Sliding Bench) a couple of days ago. I have high expectations for this model. I'm already a customer, I have a G1, but honestly the brand deserves an applause for the quality and the way they deliver the order, the instruction book is easy and assembly is simple. It just requires time. On the other hand, the pulley system is weak and offers a lot of friction, which prevents you from being able to perform a strong workout. I hope that after 4 years and a higher range, a lot has changed. Note: I was VERY TEMPTED to buy the REP Ares 2.0, but I think I'm better served with this one.
How did you order the C-10? I've been waiting for that to come back out. Sadly I've chose a different product because it's taken so long for it to get back in stock. It's still not in stock as of today 8/26 and I was told it should be back mid August.
@@anthonybrown5177 I live on Portugal, Europe, I have no problems waitting a couple of months, time goes by quick. In the mid time, I 'm workout at the gym. I took almost a month to choose the perfect workout machine. First you have to identify the one who fills your needs, then it Will be worth waitting.
Hey buddy, I love the versatility of your channel that you are featuring a nice variety of equipment for your audience to consider. Keep up the good work.
Great video. You covered a lot of important details that most people don't talk about or think about. Like pulley ratios, for example. Or how two machines can "look" similar but end up being very different in stability, function, etc.
My opinion has changed about 2:1 ratios after my initial old school reaction. Turns out it is pretty easy to get heavy enough pulldowns and rows on most machines (heavy enough for me anyway), and the benefits of 2:1 are many, e.g. 1) the longer cable travel increases versatility making more exercises available; 2) since the stack is not lifted nearly as high on the short range heavy movements, the machine remains more planted/stable; 3) less crashing of the stack at the end of those sets where you return the load to start position more quickly than intended; 4) overall smoother feel as I think you mentioned, along with 5) the option of smaller increment progressions. As for pulldowns and rows, you can generally attach both stacks to a bar and use other attachments to vary hand positions as desired. If you have dual 200 pound stacks, you then have 200 pound pulldowns or 200 pound rows, which are nothing to sneeze at. Plus you can throw another pin on each stack and add a plate to get like 245 pounds of effective resistance. If I ever get strong enough to perform clean reps of either movement with that kind of weight, I'll just thank my 2:1 trainer for helping me reach that level.
Really like Force USA's products and service but I just wish they used more standard uprights, crossmembers, and sizing on all their racks so you weren't locked into their ecosystem and have 4-way holes and all that all around. I know some of their products do (though not sure if any have 4-way holes), just wish every rack was standard. Also, I think the value proposition isn't there on a lot of their stuff given the fact that other options like the MAXUM Fitness SX2, Harbor Heavyweights HH80 v2, Fringe Sport Dane, or Vesta Fitness Pro Series Ultimate racks exist which cost the same or less but use standard 3x3 11-gauge steel uprights and hole sizes while having otherwise similar features. The MAXUM even comes with a ton of attachments/accessories included plus it has dual 220lb weight stacks with built-in plate horns to go heavier and the unique articulating functional trainer arms allow you to easily combine both stacks to essentially create a 1:1 ratio and they include center & side-mount attachments for pulldown and rows to use 1 side or both combined. I don't think anything really beats it in value right now. The most interesting Force USA product to me is the C10 mainly due to the sliding bench which offers some unique functionality, but still waiting to see actual reviews to see how well it works. The foot plate does look pretty small for leg press and hack squat, and the leg extension doesn't look like it has great ROM to get into the deep stretch, but the idea of the sliding bench is still pretty intriguing!
@@killerkhatiby009 all valid points and appreciate the comments. These are definitely things. I also asked the guys over at Force USA as well about certain competition. I’ll probably get into this in some future videos, but something that they expressed to me up close on the machines were the quality of parts and design features that are there for certain reasons. Another thing that they definitely hold their hat on is the level of customer service and value to the customer that if anything does break, they stand by their lifetime guarantee on replacing parts if anything should occur.
Thanks for sharing that, I agree. Once I was up close and saw the stremlined efficient design, it makes sense for a lot people who literally want an "All-In-One" trainer.
The C10 would be an easy and only decision for me if I had gone with Force USA instead of REP. Their C10 bench looks great and I think I can get it to work with my Ares 2.0 once it's back in stock in September.
@@kyles8391 C10 is indeed great. Like I said in the video though, the big surprise to me was how much I enjoyed the x15 seeing it up close. It also the one that Dan at force USA (who’s in many of their videos) said he uses the most. Which I think says a lot for having access to the equipment for so long.
Curious was the pulley system sticky on this unit at first ( C10). I had it assembled and gave it a go tonight only to find out the pulley system barely glides.
I would check to see if the cables are strung through the cable wheels. I've made that mistake many times where a cable slipped off during install. With that said, while my x15 does glide there are some sticking points. I tried lubricant spray, but still can't fully identify the slight breaking on the rails.
Ah I had it assembled by the "pros" part of me thinks one of the pulleys might be over tightened but I'll check to make sure the cables are on all the wheels
Great video! I’m personally feeling the C10 the most because of its sheer versatility. What do you mean at 23:40 when you say it’s unbalanced though? That it shakes a lot? Sorry for the dumb question
Thanks Rob. I'm still debating about doing a stand alone video on my thoughts on the C10. Let me know if you want to see that. "Unbalanced" is referencing the smith machine so that it feels more of a natural feel and isn't guided/smooth.
@@hybridresistance Would love to see a more in depth video about the C10! Personally I’m undecided between an Ares 2.0 (half-rack) and C10 as a standalone functional trainer but don’t see enough in depth reviews about the C10 to make a decision… thanks for you reply, your videos are extremely helpful
I wish they would use aluminum pulleys. It’s sad these racks are really expensive but only have plastic pulleys. They don’t even have an upgrade option to aluminum pulleys. Also the uprights don’t have laser cut number etching on the holes for the cable system.
The C10 reminds me of a Inspire/Powertec crossbreed. It has the functionality similar to the jnspire but the sliding bench reminds me of Powertec’s multipress…kinda. Now is it me or does Jacked-Up fitness look a lot like Force? There is one attachment that draws me towards Jacked up fitness that I’m so surprised no other company has come up with and that is their Lat extension pulley. Most of these multifunction racks that don’t have a dedicated lat pulldown/low row combo use the functional trainer uprights to perform lat pulldowns which in my opinion, isn’t truly directly vertical. Just feels unnatural to me. However Jacked up fitness offers an attachment to get around this.
It definitely has the Inspire vibes for sure. That Jacked up fitness for sure looks like Force. Not directed to them, but one of the things I know Force USA has to deal with a lot are copycats who really cut and paste their designs. But (according to them) do so at an expense to quality and functionality.
@@GGhostStudios thanks brother. Felt like a kid in the candy store. I was jumping around machine to machine throwing on taking off all sorts of attachments. Blessings to you too Jay as always.
I think it was just that they weren't selling as well. I do think I saw on the website under the X15 that you can still upgrade to the x20 still. The x20 just isn't listed on the site.
Thanks brother as always. With that 2:1 for seated rows, I think you could pull it off. Like I said in the video, I'm not the strongest dude so I can imagine that for those back exercises, some will want heavier ratios.
I think you must put more attention on G3 V2 why is the best buy in the world now. We speak about home gym....and for 90% of people important best buy!
@@hybridresistancebought the old g3......more than a 1000 off cause of the V2. Now that unit for half the price can't be beat if you ask me. And 2:1 is normal for a functional trainer and has lots of advantages over 1:1. Even ATX realises functional trainers are supposed to be 2:1 and changed their newer machines to 2:1. You need range, fluidity and small steps for a functional trainer. Granted for lat pulldowns and seated cable rows 1:1 is the way to go.
This could have been 3x as long, but did my best to focus on the highlights and the all-in-ones specifically in the end (minus their "free bike). I also didn't want to milk this footage (as they fly a lot of people out here), but rather wanted to sum up my main thoughts. For height reference, I'm 6 ft. ➡Additional exclusive savings OFF Everything Force USA, use Code "HYBRID5" or go to: www.forceusa.com/sbt
I can’t wait to see the deleted scenes.. this was a good video💯
Last night I ordered my C10 cable machine after watching this video. They had most of the weight stack models in stock and the C10 made more sense for me.
Awesome to hear Jose. What ultimately made you pull the trigger on the c10 vs other Force models or even other functional trainers on the market?
I just ordered mine (C10+Sliding Bench) a couple of days ago. I have high expectations for this model. I'm already a customer, I have a G1, but honestly the brand deserves an applause for the quality and the way they deliver the order, the instruction book is easy and assembly is simple. It just requires time. On the other hand, the pulley system is weak and offers a lot of friction, which prevents you from being able to perform a strong workout. I hope that after 4 years and a higher range, a lot has changed. Note: I was VERY TEMPTED to buy the REP Ares 2.0, but I think I'm better served with this one.
Very cool to hear that about the assembly and your experience with the quality. I think you'll love and for sure appreciate the upgrade to the c10.
The c10 has been out of stock for many weeks now, how did you order it?
How did you order the C-10? I've been waiting for that to come back out. Sadly I've chose a different product because it's taken so long for it to get back in stock. It's still not in stock as of today 8/26 and I was told it should be back mid August.
@@pjo113 I did a pre-order. Expect to receive early October.
@@anthonybrown5177 I live on Portugal, Europe, I have no problems waitting a couple of months, time goes by quick. In the mid time, I 'm workout at the gym. I took almost a month to choose the perfect workout machine. First you have to identify the one who fills your needs, then it Will be worth waitting.
Hey buddy, I love the versatility of your channel that you are featuring a nice variety of equipment for your audience to consider. Keep up the good work.
I appreciate the amount of information you share in your reviews so someone is able to make a sound decision for what may work for them or not 👍❤
@@Joe-qs2bq I appreciate you watching Joe. Thank you for the kind words.
Great video. You covered a lot of important details that most people don't talk about or think about. Like pulley ratios, for example. Or how two machines can "look" similar but end up being very different in stability, function, etc.
Thanks as always Skyler. Always respect your insight and means a lot if you ever dig a video I make. Thanks again and hope work/family is all good.
My opinion has changed about 2:1 ratios after my initial old school reaction. Turns out it is pretty easy to get heavy enough pulldowns and rows on most machines (heavy enough for me anyway), and the benefits of 2:1 are many, e.g. 1) the longer cable travel increases versatility making more exercises available; 2) since the stack is not lifted nearly as high on the short range heavy movements, the machine remains more planted/stable; 3) less crashing of the stack at the end of those sets where you return the load to start position more quickly than intended; 4) overall smoother feel as I think you mentioned, along with 5) the option of smaller increment progressions. As for pulldowns and rows, you can generally attach both stacks to a bar and use other attachments to vary hand positions as desired. If you have dual 200 pound stacks, you then have 200 pound pulldowns or 200 pound rows, which are nothing to sneeze at. Plus you can throw another pin on each stack and add a plate to get like 245 pounds of effective resistance. If I ever get strong enough to perform clean reps of either movement with that kind of weight, I'll just thank my 2:1 trainer for helping me reach that level.
Thank you for this comment!
Amazing machines Mike!
@@JayB-JayB thanks Jay. I’m definitely a fan of them.
Really like Force USA's products and service but I just wish they used more standard uprights, crossmembers, and sizing on all their racks so you weren't locked into their ecosystem and have 4-way holes and all that all around. I know some of their products do (though not sure if any have 4-way holes), just wish every rack was standard.
Also, I think the value proposition isn't there on a lot of their stuff given the fact that other options like the MAXUM Fitness SX2, Harbor Heavyweights HH80 v2, Fringe Sport Dane, or Vesta Fitness Pro Series Ultimate racks exist which cost the same or less but use standard 3x3 11-gauge steel uprights and hole sizes while having otherwise similar features.
The MAXUM even comes with a ton of attachments/accessories included plus it has dual 220lb weight stacks with built-in plate horns to go heavier and the unique articulating functional trainer arms allow you to easily combine both stacks to essentially create a 1:1 ratio and they include center & side-mount attachments for pulldown and rows to use 1 side or both combined. I don't think anything really beats it in value right now.
The most interesting Force USA product to me is the C10 mainly due to the sliding bench which offers some unique functionality, but still waiting to see actual reviews to see how well it works. The foot plate does look pretty small for leg press and hack squat, and the leg extension doesn't look like it has great ROM to get into the deep stretch, but the idea of the sliding bench is still pretty intriguing!
@@killerkhatiby009 all valid points and appreciate the comments. These are definitely things. I also asked the guys over at Force USA as well about certain competition. I’ll probably get into this in some future videos, but something that they expressed to me up close on the machines were the quality of parts and design features that are there for certain reasons. Another thing that they definitely hold their hat on is the level of customer service and value to the customer that if anything does break, they stand by their lifetime guarantee on replacing parts if anything should occur.
Love this, I just bought a G12 style rack and it’s fantastic this company and their designs need more attention IMO.
Thanks for sharing that, I agree. Once I was up close and saw the stremlined efficient design, it makes sense for a lot people who literally want an "All-In-One" trainer.
The C10 would be an easy and only decision for me if I had gone with Force USA instead of REP. Their C10 bench looks great and I think I can get it to work with my Ares 2.0 once it's back in stock in September.
@@kyles8391 C10 is indeed great. Like I said in the video though, the big surprise to me was how much I enjoyed the x15 seeing it up close. It also the one that Dan at force USA (who’s in many of their videos) said he uses the most. Which I think says a lot for having access to the equipment for so long.
Curious was the pulley system sticky on this unit at first ( C10). I had it assembled and gave it a go tonight only to find out the pulley system barely glides.
I would check to see if the cables are strung through the cable wheels. I've made that mistake many times where a cable slipped off during install. With that said, while my x15 does glide there are some sticking points. I tried lubricant spray, but still can't fully identify the slight breaking on the rails.
Ah I had it assembled by the "pros" part of me thinks one of the pulleys might be over tightened but I'll check to make sure the cables are on all the wheels
Great video! I’m personally feeling the C10 the most because of its sheer versatility. What do you mean at 23:40 when you say it’s unbalanced though? That it shakes a lot? Sorry for the dumb question
Thanks Rob. I'm still debating about doing a stand alone video on my thoughts on the C10. Let me know if you want to see that. "Unbalanced" is referencing the smith machine so that it feels more of a natural feel and isn't guided/smooth.
@@hybridresistance Would love to see a more in depth video about the C10! Personally I’m undecided between an Ares 2.0 (half-rack) and C10 as a standalone functional trainer but don’t see enough in depth reviews about the C10 to make a decision… thanks for you reply, your videos are extremely helpful
I tested the c10 out as I wanted to purchase it and it wasn't as smooth as I hoped
@@Rob72998
I wish they would use aluminum pulleys. It’s sad these racks are really expensive but only have plastic pulleys. They don’t even have an upgrade option to aluminum pulleys. Also the uprights don’t have laser cut number etching on the holes for the cable system.
From what I heard, I think some machines did finally get an option for aluminum upgrade, but you have to pay for it of course.
The C10 reminds me of a Inspire/Powertec crossbreed. It has the functionality similar to the jnspire but the sliding bench reminds me of Powertec’s multipress…kinda.
Now is it me or does Jacked-Up fitness look a lot like Force?
There is one attachment that draws me towards Jacked up fitness that I’m so surprised no other company has come up with and that is their Lat extension pulley. Most of these multifunction racks that don’t have a dedicated lat pulldown/low row combo use the functional trainer uprights to perform lat pulldowns which in my opinion, isn’t truly directly vertical. Just feels unnatural to me. However Jacked up fitness offers an attachment to get around this.
It definitely has the Inspire vibes for sure. That Jacked up fitness for sure looks like Force. Not directed to them, but one of the things I know Force USA has to deal with a lot are copycats who really cut and paste their designs. But (according to them) do so at an expense to quality and functionality.
Very cool, looks like heaven over there. God bless bro
@@GGhostStudios thanks brother. Felt like a kid in the candy store. I was jumping around machine to machine throwing on taking off all sorts of attachments. Blessings to you too Jay as always.
Looking forward to that deep dive into the C10. But based off this video it seems like that foot plate is unstable and wiggles a lot..
Thank my friend. It could have been that I didn't tighten the bolt in the back of pull pin. I just don't remember what kind of pin they were using.
@@hybridresistance ah that would make sense! Any idea when we can expect a review video?
The g6 says 220lb stacks but that one had more weight
Do you know why they have stopped selling the X20?
I think it was just that they weren't selling as well. I do think I saw on the website under the X15 that you can still upgrade to the x20 still. The x20 just isn't listed on the site.
10:20 Bro… this was an amazing and informative video. And you literally maxed out a weight stack… how many TH-camrs can do that? 😅
Thanks brother as always. With that 2:1 for seated rows, I think you could pull it off. Like I said in the video, I'm not the strongest dude so I can imagine that for those back exercises, some will want heavier ratios.
I think you must put more attention on G3 V2 why is the best buy in the world now. We speak about home gym....and for 90% of people important best buy!
@@andreadalex8893 not bad for sure but at that price and being only 2:1 that’s for me personally I’d pay more for heavier ratio and weight stacks
@@hybridresistance i dont think. Much much much more price!!!
@@hybridresistancebought the old g3......more than a 1000 off cause of the V2.
Now that unit for half the price can't be beat if you ask me.
And 2:1 is normal for a functional trainer and has lots of advantages over 1:1.
Even ATX realises functional trainers are supposed to be 2:1 and changed their newer machines to 2:1.
You need range, fluidity and small steps for a functional trainer.
Granted for lat pulldowns and seated cable rows 1:1 is the way to go.
Based on the reviews I have seen for assembly process for some of their machines, I don’t think they will be an option for me.
what about F100?
based on what I'm seeing that's a UK product and here in the states we can't really view it.
I got a g10 it's junk the company is a joke. Don't buy force
I appreciate you sharing your opinion.