Can you play a bass through a guitar amp?
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Me: That's a sick tone.
Phil: The sound becomes unpleasant.
I think you sir should stick with a bass amp lol
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Best comment, hands down
Lol 😂😂
You're a sick bassist. More bass-videos please!
I concur
But if he's ill, shouldnt he rest first before he makes more videos?
Yes! More bass!!! The reason I unsubscribed years ago. We bass players need you Phillip! We NEED you!!!
He looks quite HEALTHY to me!
davie504
Never had a problem. Even with distortion pedals. I realised as you said a detuned 8 string is as low as a bass so yeah never had any issues whatsoever. Guitar shop will say differently so you buy 2 amps.
Same, the shop made my parents think i REALLY need a bass amp or something will explode
@Heads Mess so, is it safe to plug my bass even with volume up and dist. pedal
@@devonshire458 just be careful to listen to the speaker. The amplifier will be fine but the speaker is the only part at risk of blowing
And the boss octaver
@@punman5392 what abot celestion 80 ? (2*15) they can use to up to 160 watt and im using mt15 (15watt head) is it safer with this type of speakers ?
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Lol nice catch
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"Oh, by the way, I've got Jennifer Batten's bass"...🙄😁 You show off! 😁😉 Nice!
friggin RIGHT!?
Ugh. I can't stand show offs. Oh, I have a 1975 Fender Precision...all original.
Nice shout out to Jennifer Batten. Not removing the lady bugs is a nice touch of respect.
I bought the same bass and put lady bug stickers on it. I tell people it used to belong to Jennifer Batten too.
Peter C , hey, anything belonging to a talented celeb performer is still a cool thing to have.
Lemmy played through Marshall guitar heads and cabs and created the Motörhead sound.
TimB4305 he can do that because he plays ricks, rickenbackers are super trebly
He used Marshall Super Bass heads with 4x15 and 4x12 cabs. Definitely a bass rig.
And he didn't use Rick pickups in his early Ricks.
I think the fact that he always put the bass EQ on 0 was more of a factor.
If it's good enough for lemme it's good enough for us
"I'm using a shotgun mic so you hear what I hear". Thank you, that is one of the smartest things I've seen on a gear video. We get a more realistic sound of the room. I wish more people would do that for demos.
When I first started playing bass, all I had was a guitar amp. I practiced on it and would gig with it too. I used it for a couple of years before I bought my first bass amp, a Fender Rumble, which actually blew out the first day I used it. Thankfully the guitar store I bought it at gave me my money back. I ended up using that money to buy a Behringer bass amp which I have had ever since.
I got a rumble 15. Good little amp must have wammed on it with the bass turned up ...
@@jayville26554 something like that
I started out on a crate 15 watt guitar amp I had from when I made a miserable attempt to learn guitar
@@onutube6392 why did u change to bass
@@gavriilkremastiotis1914 i couldn't figure it out back then
"This is much louder than you'd practice"
the guy who shows off at Guitar Center: "Oh?"
Love those old Soundgear basses! One of the best values in a used bass.
Even Carol Kaye uses one of those SoundGear - Basses in the interview of hers you are able to find here, on TH-cam.
The SDGR - Series is nice, mostly not heavy, is easy to play due to the neck, the sound is OK.... And some artists play the more advanced instrument of that series.
I have that exact same turquoise green active ibanz bass. Feels like a guitar to play.
@@biggils8894 That's a great color.
I have a pair of SR 5 strings: an 05 and a 1305.
I got the 05 from Dave Pegg. He had it defretted whilst on tour with JT as IA brought a new song into the set half way through the tour that required a fretless. It's a lovely instrument.
The 1305 I got to match the fretless. Again nice but the 05 is the special one.
Definitely yes, and new ones are still great! Our Bassist needed a 5-String for some new songs and just bought one blindly. And you can actually do this! Do some setup and get on the road, doesn't have to be expensive! But in Studio he used my BTB200 (that's less versatile), but it plays AMAZING! Kinda same money and i don't know if i was just lucky, or the all we're great, but definitively worth checking out!
In short: ye.. in detail: like be careful
I'm in a band with no guitarist but two bassists who both play through bi-amped 100w valve heads and 4x12 cabs, and bass amps
Love to hear how that sounds
Dude that sounds awesome I wanna hear that
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Spinal Tap? 😉
My whole life is a lie your a bassist
*hole?
I guess you can say that, but I am also really suprised he is a bass player. Most of the videos I watched from him were about guitars, so I thought guitar is his main instrument
False Ego - Untrue. If you can play guitar, you can understand something about the bass, but playing bass even moderately well is not a slam dunk, even though you can play guitar.
TheConvert I can't play bass so I don't know much, but I think if you can play guitar well, you shouldn't have a problem playing a rhythm bass part on a song you can play on guitar, obviously unless it requires some bass exclusive techniques, such as slapping, or bass solo, etc. It really depends on what you need for the music you play. If you want to play simple stuff on bass, I guess you can easily play bass when coming from guitar after practicing for few days
sure not... the only things that bass and guitar have in common is body, neck & strings. Everything else is different.
I love that you got to the point within 42 seconds, and without telling me to hit like and subscribe... I am now going to watch the rest of the video
Running a bass through a guitar rig is actually a cool recording technique - you get some great midrange tones that you can mix in with the dry or DI bass signal!
The only time I destroyed speakers was with a guitar and a guitar amp. I was using DiMarzio Super Distortion humbuckers in the bridge position and doing some very cool Hendrix type feedback. The guitar was a Les Paul Copy that was hollow inside (a really cheap light body that helped the feedback effect. Those notes were SCREAMING! I was getting the coolest, most insane sounds. Ace Frehley would’ve been proud. Well, at the height of my guitar screaming session, the voice coils all smoked at once, producing a pretty cool visual effect. The sound quit and I could still hear my strings ringing. ...stunk up the room bad. The cones were not traveling much but that feedback killed the whole 10x4 cabinet, I guess because the voice coils were traveling at light speed causing them to burn out. I seriously doubt playing a bass at low volume through a guitar amp is going to do anything bad. You have to push things like I did...
jeez i had a really fun time reading this comment. That's nuts! how to drive a amp to its max lmao
Loads of PA systems have been destroyed by super high frequencies. It can be barely audible and still have massive amounts of power. That's one main reason bi-amping (or at least an LPF in the chain) is common.
Jennifer Batten's bass ......... COOL!
Great explanation! Never had any issues myself playing through guitar amps at practice volumes. Looking forward to more bass videos ;)
Great video, Phil!
Can't wait for the next one.
Wow!!! You kick butt on bass! That's some great playing Phil. Thanks for sharing your talent with us.🤗
Finally! Was waiting for it since you announced it on Insta. :)
Im trying a new release time 8am PT. Thank you for posting and for being on instagram. You Rock!
3:41, this is how Les Claypool came up with the riff for "My name is Mud"
Another clear, concise informative vid. Thanks for sharing.
Finally an awesome answer to a question thats commonly asked!!! Love your work Phil. Playing was amazing! Even got the Mrs re-interested in her bass again!!
Great content mate. Keep it up!!!!!
tldr: yeah, just dont crank it
Also, how cool is is that you have Jennifer Batten's old bass! Like you mentioned, I first heard of her when she was MJ's guitar player, but I really fell in love with her after hearing her solo stuff. Her track titled "Whammy Damage" was one of the first times I heard anyone using a whammy pedal, and it's just sick AF! Her 8-finger tapping technique is in-SANE, and she's been doing THAT for ages. In fact, she's also one of the first people I heard tap with 8 fingers!
I'm glad that you did the quick answer first, but then also went into detail on it.
Ur killer bass chops are yeah
No doubt. When he was slapping, I thought it was Flea for a second.
I knew it! I have one of those Ibanez Mikro Basses in the left handed variety. When you said you had something special that cost $179 I just knew it was a Mikro Bass.
Thanks for all the great videos Phil. One cool way to use a guitar amp is in a bi-amp setup. Use a bass amp and cab for the low end and a guitar amp and cab for the mids and high frequencies with a crossover splitting the frequencies. If you use some overdrive on the mids and highs through the guitar amp you can get some killer sounds. Dug Pinnick uses this trick, but I think he actually uses three amps.
Similarly, I use a Behringer ADI21 bass pedal that is similar to a san samp kind of a thing. As such I plug my bass lead into the ADI21 input and then connect the XLR output of it to an XLR cable, and then connect the xlr cable to the input on mt Electrovoice powered PA speaker system while at the same time connecting a cable to the amp output of the pedal also. This means that I also plug a guitar cable into the bass output jack of the pedal. It is okay with this pedal to use both the XLR out and the bass out at the same time.
When you connect both to the PA and to your guitar or bass amp in this way you are using a method of amplification called biamping. Biamping in this way produces remarkably great results with both bass and guitar. This produces a sound similar to a tube amp and it sounds very open clear dynamic and powerful. This method works very well with acoustic guitars and amps and amplifications systems including biamping.
This is a very affordable way to achieve a very high quality sound. Using excellent quality gear suitable for stage or guitar use is of great importance because without using good rated equipment you are not going to be able to achieve good results with guitar or bass. Guitar and bass have special amplification requirements and the use specialized amplifiers and speakers. House PA systems must comply with guitar and bass requirements and as such many establishments now have decent PA systems that can be easily connected to. A good powered stage monitor for your personal home use might have available Bluetooth connectivity and this might be useful for home music purposes in addition to guitar or bass biamping.
Phil with the skills!!!! Such great playing. 🤘
dude, this video is great! super informative, quick to answer, and THEN explanation. i like this cause i dont feel like im being baited to watch the whole video. i ended up watching it because it was cool :)
I've never touched a bass in my life, but honestly Phill, you need to do more bass gear stuff. As a Guitarist and singer I really don't know much about the stuff bassists use. It's very educational.
Guitar head + bass cabinet is a much more common combination than people think. Now, I have to say I have seen someone ruining the speaker of a1993 Vibroverb 63 reissue while playing a bass plugged into the amp...just be careful as you say
My guitar amp turned out to be a bass model any way. Use bass cabs though.
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I use a acoustic 140 (bass) + Hiwatt High Gain 412 (guitar)
The guitar player in my last band had a Fender Bassman amp that an electrician friend of his messed around with, and it made an incredible guitar amp.
*Good to see you "home again", Phil. Thanks for the info on this.*
Love it when you pull out the bass. Good stuff.
I've seen many guitar players play through a Fender Bassman head. So yeah, amps are amps. The thing to remember about bass is that it's about moving air. You do that in two ways. The diameter of your speaker and the excursion of the speaker. The other thing to be aware of is speaker "loading"...no...not the stress you put on it, but how it's loaded in the cabinet. An open back guitar cab is gonna sound like poop. Sealed enclosures will give you a tighter sound but require more power to achieve the same sound pressure levels. Most bass cabs are ported and tuned to a specific frequency. Another thing to remember is that the bass guitar has low fundamentals, but also harmonics what are even lower. On a five string bass you may not be able to hear the low harmonics because they are below the range of human hearing or the cab can't physically create the note. That's why I run a high pass filter (HPF) called a micro Thumpinator. It cuts everything below 30hz and doesn't send that information to your amp or speaker which allows them to work more efficiently since they aren't trying to produce tones you can't hear anyway.
If you're slapping, like in the video, then you want that crisp, bright top end. But if you want to lay the foundation for the band with some bottom end that shakes the room, I'd suggest using a rig designed for bass or if your PA has great subs, go direct with . I've played in venues that had such good subs I was able to literally shake the building.
I want to trigger the car alarms nearby, what should I use for that? I'm looking for a Lemmy kilmister kind of sound
Damn Phil, I had no idea bass was your main instrument. It definitely shows. Nice chops man!
Too funny man 😂 I've been playing bass through guitar amps for 20 years and I just swap out the guitar speakers for bass speakers; usually eminence or Jensen.🎸
Thanks for this video. I've told players pretty much the same thing for years. Yay for validation!
Come on folks, Lemmy use Marshall Bass Amps, not guitar amps.
Cabinets yes. The heads were marshal super lead 100s and plexis. Guitar amplifiers.
Im not 100% here, i know he used and abused the super bass head , 15s on the bottom 4 and 12s on top for a very long time, but ive heard stories, and again stories are just that. But ive heard of lemmy substituting jcm800s in the early 80s when he couldnt get what he wanted. Good to hear from you scotty, been a metal player for almost 15 years now, but your country tips have really helped out. Dont tell.... im a zz top addict! Keep slaying the bullshit oh groovy one.
Groovy Music Lessons lemmy used Marshall guitar heads because they where louder with better natural distortion to them,theres videos here on youtube,that give his whole rig rundown
Why do people argue with me.....I have no idea. Anyway: The amplifier head Lemmy used for 30 years (yes, really) was a model 1992 Marshall Super Bass Head (1976 build) that he nicknamed “Murder One”. He only stopped using that when Marshall themselves built Lemmy a prototype signature 100-watt head in 2007 modeled after the ’76 head called the 1992LEM. In the newer head, the main difference is that compared to the original, it has circuitry of both the Super Bass and Super Lead, allowing for greater frequency range. www.bestbassgear.com/ebass/article/how-to-get-the-lemmy-kilmister-bass-sound.html
Anna Hootman The elephant in the room: every metal player is a closet ZZ Top addict.
I actually use my bass on a guitar amp with the gain cranked up (low volume though) just for that distorted kinda treble-y bass sound i love
thank you for telling me this, I was thinking about getting a bass but didn't have a bass amp and only a guitar amp. I definitely will keep this in mind
I record songs from time to time by myself. But this time I had left my bass amp at a friend’s house. This video helped me a lot
Well when you grab a bass it really shows how it is your main instrument... you smoked that thing :)
I actually use my Fender Princeton for all my recordings. I use a passive Fender Precision bass and I roll the tone completely down and I like to use a guitar overdrive pedal (Tubescreamer or the OCD) as a compressor, with the gain all the way down. It gives back some of the tone that I rolled off the bass but adds a different character and flavor, a mild overdriven bass tone. It sounds great in the mix.
WHOA. That sounds pretty cool.
Great video! I've been using a 50 watt Carvin Nomad for home bass practice for several years--only because it fits better in the living room than my Trace-Elliot with 2 410 cabs...
I keep it at low volume--just enough to hear my mistakes--and have never had any problems.
Thanks Phil, I only have a Fender Champion 20 with an SR505 & a Sterling Ray34 with no separate bass amp and was worried about using it so often, but this video made me feel a lot better about it
My first amp when I was a kid was a Fender Bandmaster with the two 12 speaker cabinet, and I mostly used it for bass at high volume. Never had an issue. My parents paid $300 at the time. Wish I had never sold it.
I have a silver face 1971 head with 2 15" cab. you regret just like I regretted selling my black face Super Reverb and Strat that had just a 6 digit serial#.
I used to run an active bass through a Fender M80 Pro 80 Watt Head into a Fender 100 Watt 4x12 cabinet on gigs. Ran it through the -10db input and never had any trouble.
As a beginning bass or any guitar playing! Thank you for this video! Answered my question no one else would! Now I have to get a bass amplifier lol thank you
Just what I needed, thanks.
What about putting bass speaker in guitar amp?
Yes. I gots to know.
that won't solve anything because guitar amp cabinets are 'open back'. Proper bass cab design is a bass speaker in a closed back enclosure. This limits the excursion (travel) of the speaker cone for those deep bass tones.
that's literally how the bass of Seven Nation Army was recorded. It's a six-string through a digital pitch-shifter into a bass amp.
Would you recommend a HPF/LPF for running through a guitar amp. I’m a bass player and run through bass amps, but HPF are becoming increasingly popular with bass players
Great info! Thanks much!
Thanks a lot! Your bass skills are rad as hell :)
Geezer Butler used the same amp Tony Iommi used for guitar on Black Sabbath and his tone is really unique
On Van Halen 1, Michael Anthony played through a Marshall! Also, Lenny of Motorhead did too!
Thats the way I remember it also. I think ZZ top did as well. Thank you Pryce for posting.
Lemmy....not Lenny...Phil...what about running a distorted bass through guitar amps or using a distortion pedal. Im assuming the padding and eq would come into play as well?
Chris Squire of YES also, I think.
Who's Lenny?
Lemmy's Marshall was a a Bass Amp Head and the speakers he used in his cab, were designed for bass frequencies.
Good informative video Phillip!!
Great playing. You have got serious chops on bass👍
You should do more videos like this focused on bass for guitar players.
Me: Phillip's doing a bass video? But he's a guitarist.
Phillip: Rocks the hell out of a bass.
Me: Phillip's a bassist.
He started as a bassist
I had a ampeg micro-cl 100w and I played a passive bass through it and I had no problems but when I put a active bass and a fuzz pedal through it and then played for whom the bell tolls at a gig. half way through the song the amp started making a loud buzzing and would not turn off. So I unplugged it at the wall. The next day i tried turning it on whith all the knobs all the way down and the same very loud buzzing was still happening. So was that my fault or was I just unlucky
Been watching your channel loosely for maybe 2 years and this is the first time I've seen you play a bass, I've heard you say you're a bass player but hadn't seen it
Good bass playin Phil. Do I see a bass battle w/ Davie504 in the future works?
Show Adam Neely the value of decades of experience over the classroom. ;-)
Might NOT be a good idea! Davie, as good as he is, has an army of trolls behind him! BAD karma!
Thank you for explaining this mystery to all of us technologically impaired folks
PS 7:44 God damn \m/
Your self deprecating "impromptu" comment made me need to say this. I love the style of your videos. Your knowledge and honesty are what makes your channel & 'content' great. All the fancy production value and that I feel would take away from what you're doing. It's quality where it counts. Much love from IllinoisE!
It all makes so much sense now.
You are a bass player.
Phil, so some of these amp heads be it tube or trans can be used at higher volumes, but with say 15" speakers?
I played a Fender Vibroverb with a 15 Gauss spkr and rocked it with a MXR compressor for years on gigs. Bought a Carvin 15 that sits on my passenger seat. You dig?
Depends on the speaker. A cheapo no-name Chinese speaker like the one in that Fender amp he's playing might not like it much. Get a good quality 15" speaker with a higher X-max (distance it can travel) and you'll probably be fine. That's the primary difference between bass speakers and guitar speakers. Guitar speakers don't have to move as much and you get cleaner, more defined sound. Bass speakers have to move a lot more in order to generate those low frequencies, and are designed for that kind of punishment. The downside is they don't give you the same clarity and definition as a guitar speaker, but nobody uses a bass speaker for guitar, so it doesn't really matter.
What about the Fender Bassman? Designed/Advertised as a bass amp for the Fender Preci bass, then became a legendary guitar amp...? Did it not have "bass speakers" in it?
@@schmoemi3386 yes it did but you're talking about a 60 year old design. Things have changed a lot since then.
Maybe that's why the Bassman got so famous as a guitar amp? Because the speakers weren't that "clean" but a bit more "mean", which guitarists liked...? :-)
Isn't that what Lemmy did? Ricky through Marshall's with the treble and gain on 10
Great information! I had one of those old Ibanez Soundgear basses and I sold it. Wish I had it back, now. It was fantastic! 😊👍👍🎸🎶
Thx so much for this vid!
What I found when plugging in there isn't too much low end and too much high end with makes it sound a bit thin
Thats why it is ideal to use it with a descent preamp (for bass specificly) pedal in front of the amp. After all, thats a guitar amp, its not supposed to have the necesarry frequancies. But with a preamp you can compensate and bring this what amp has not up. I hope this makes sense... :)
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@@StratmanDarrell sweet, I'm from Malta 😂😂
This is awesome! I'm a guitar player but I've been thinking about getting a bass and I've wondered about this for a long time.
Edit: Is the compressor only needed if you have an active bass?
Hey Matt I’m thinking about buying a bass myself, did you go through with buying it and did you have any problems with running it through a guitar amp?
I’ve done it many many times. Played my basses through an old Roland BC 30 (2x10) BluesCube. Never any issues.
AWSOME chops Phill!!!!
Me and my brother blew up our friend's guitar amp speaker when we plugged in my brother's bass many years ago lol
By the way, is it just me or is it true that bass amps seem to be more expensive than guitar amps ?
Phil: Can you plug a bass into a guitar amp?
Royal blood: * exists *
😂😂😂
Super useful video, thank you
So much nicer to listen to you play bass over guitar, its awesome.
Lou Barlow from Dinosaur Jr plays through guitar amps
When I started my musical journey all those years ago, I was running my MiM Fender P-Bass into a Crate GX-15 Guitar Amp.
In fact, I think the only Bass Amp I owned for the first half of my playing was a Crate *BX-15.*
Also, nice playing.
For over 10 years I used a bassman 50 with a ported 2 10 cab as my main bass rig. Love the growl. As a guitar player I also have a boogie mk iii and a modded deluxe reverb (bigger transformer using 6l6s). I have swapped out the bassman head with the DR and boogie periodically. All great. As you say, it's the speaker and cab that matters. That, and just running a good amp!
Thank you for making this
I have a Yamaha THR10, which has a "bass" setting on the very first dial (not an eq dial), any idea if it is supposed to work with basses on this setting?
In the Thomann website it says "For electric guitar, acoustic guitar or electric bass", so I guess it's safe to play a bass with it.
Yes. Bass=Bass.
All my videos are recorded using the THR10 BASS setting th-cam.com/video/oRbpkZDSs9I/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/7DK-gkehHos/w-d-xo.html
I thought the bass setting was code for Fender Bassman just like the Deluxe setting ? Which works great for both (Bassman setting).
It is indeed a bass guitar setting.
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This past spring I was the bassist for a local production run of South Pacific here in Washington, DC and I used a Crate Power Block 150 through a Carvin guitar cab rated at 75w, essentially a guitar rig. It worked perfectly with no damage.
You’re good on bass, I had no idea. Nice!
Aaaaaand what if I have that rattling on my GUITAR amp on my GUITAR?
You have broken your speaker.
So that's how you get that mid-rangey "Geddy" sound.
Yes, I'm kidding.
This is awesome thank you ill be using a double bass pickup now
I have a 1996 sr505 soundgear bass mik. I practice through my 6505mh at home. I use the horizon devices precision drive to cut some of the low end out. Awesome video Phil!
Phil! The #2 input on most Fender Amps is padded!
And then you showed it... like a freaking mind reader.
WHAT ABOUT USING HEADPHONES FROM THE AMP'S PHONES-OUT? IT FEELS LOGICALLY SAFE, BUT IS IT?
?... Using the headphones out for headphones?... Well, yea... That's what it's for. - It won't be some high-output signal blowing up your headphones, if that's what you're worried about.
Back in the day, I ran an Earth Superguitar G-2000 guitar head with a pair of Kustom 2/15 cabs. I played a Rickenbacker 4001 bass through them. I did replace the drivers in the cabs with Peavey Black Widows, and added two two inch horns in place of the ports, which I moved to the backs of the cabs. The rig sounded great, and I used it on stage for several years. I have played bass for over 40 years, and never owned a bass amp.
Man you should do more bass videos. Sick chops 🤘
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I need to learn how to play that
Lol
Mike Kerr uses a guitar amp
Digging your bass chops! I played one of those Mikro basses the other day and thought it was fab. Cheap and plays great; totally comfy to play from a guitarist’s perspective. When I am ready to bring a bass into my life, I’ll snag one. I just got my second sitar this week, so that may be a ways off.
I came for the guitar videos (which are excellent), but now I'm blown away by your bass playing!! Dude, you need to post bass tutorials, or at least some bass videos. Keep up the excellent videos.