Thanks for the comparison. I find the Xiaomi photos better in all instances. Better black levels, contrast and a filmatic feel. Vivo photos, to me anyway, is like pushing the shadow bar all the way to the right in LR. Sometimes you don't need that bright. Anyway keep up the good work.
I agree that the vivo can be too bright, but the biggest issue I have with the xiaomi is that often things that are easily visible in reality aren't with Xiaomi, and colours are of by some margin, and the colours is for me the biggest thing.
@@ThroughJermainesLens I'm in favor of the 13 as well. Night is Night, I don't want to have day time feel when taking Night photo's. It's a matter of taste U guess. Leica took it to a more natural setting.
I had a X90 Pro+ but quickly sold it. Had to work against the camera too often with EV -1 to -2 because it made everything look like day shots without any contrast. I really hated it. Much happier with my 13 Pro.
The Leica Vibrant mode on the Xiaomi 13 Pro can bring more saturation (colours) and brightness to the photo. In this video, you used Leica Authentic, so the results may vary. Leica Authentic brings more contrast and less saturation, giving it a more vintage look, which not many people appreciate it but I do :)
Ok clear, I shall go out again and test the difference between those 2 modes, for me though it is more about colour accuracy, with the xiaomi removing the warm feel my city has.
Thanks for the great video. I personally prefer the Xiaomi because of its more realistic look. 😅 Vivo just looks too bright and not realistic, it looks like it sometimes blows out everything. :/ But they both take very great photos. I prefer the Xiaomi personally
Hi ^^ Thank you, I can agree with it sometimes being too bright, I will however copy my comment I did to someone else ^^ about why I say the vivo is better and why xiaomi needs an update for their 13 Pro ^^ Ok so I fully get your take, and yes till a degree I am fully with you, that is also why i said that in cases the Vivo can be too bright (punchy counts under that well in a way) But the Xiaomi for me has without a doubt issues, for instance that shot at 1:52, much of the building isn't visible, while with my naked eye I could see it pretty clearly, and then we have shots like at: 2:15 there I would say the clear issue is the colour, while with more shots it showcases the problem in terms of colour, there it is really clear, the Vivo is a BIIITTT more yellow then reality, but the Xiaomi is just white, where that wasn't the scene. And of course we have editing if you wish to do that, with the Vivo that will be made far easier because there is more in the shot. So therefore I would say that the Vivo does a much better job. though I fully agree that in some cases it loses in terms of the night vibe, the feel of it. Thank you for your comment!
I agree with you on that Vivo's photos are more versatile since brighter image is easier to edit down, but there is limit to that as well. I usually prefer night photos to look like night, so overall I found Xiaomi to be closer to what I would want. There are a few examples in the video where you can clearly see the noise on Vivo, but not so much on Xiaomi. The white balance fails are disappointing though, hopefully they will improve that in the software by the time 13 Ultra rolls out. Knowing Xiaomi though... I guess we will see. By the way, I'm on mi11 Ultra right now and it is definitely a capable shooter. What I found to be lacking in night photos is light source handling - night mode tends to fail a lot in this regard and it is more reliable to shoot on locked pro mode. Great review overall, appreciate your effort!
and so? You can lower brightness on Vivo but you can't add more detail to Xiaomi. The quality of night shots for Xiaomi is unacceptable considering its price. Xiaomi 13 pro is easily beaten by phone that were launched 2 or 3 years ago.
I want to pin this comment because of comments I see, and maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my video, therefore making a pinned comment to clarify my thoughts about it. SO let's begin with why I say the Vivo at this moment wins, the Xiaomi's main problem is colours, my city is pretty warm, so yellow lights, but on the Xiaomi often those warm tones are turned into blue/cold tones, heck even almost white in 1 shot of the lights. Then when it comes to feel, I can understand that with night photography you want it to look like night, and I 100% agree with this, having that sense of night is important! it allows a night shot to look like well it is night, and often a comment I have about phones doing night photography is where the sky is almost daytime, which destroys the mood of the scene. And more often then not the Xiaomi is the clear winner here, the feeling of night is captured far better on the Xiaomi. But Xiaomi goes too far when it comes to the darkness. For instance the shot at 1:52, the colours inside the building much nicer and better on the xiaomi, not even a question there, BUT there is so much shadow that the building above it is almost invicble, where I could easily see it with my eyes, and I cannot rework that shot after it because that information isn't there. (again though inside the building much better job by Xiaomi even more so with the book case) and at 2:01, again here I have some comments, the vivo, yes a tad too bright, even more so on the right side of the picture, but in turn the colours are really off on the xiaomi, it doesn't look like that. and for me the biggest one is at 2:15 the lights are not like that at all, it is a yellow light source that somehow turned white, it wasn't the scene at all, where again I would say the vivo a bit too much on the tones, BUT it is closer to reality in terms of colour. The shot before that though at 2:12, that looks great on the Xiaomi, there the contrast looks realy nice. But the trend of the xiaomi removing the warm tones that are there are for me the biggest gripes, where with the vivo as I commented on in the video as well, it can be too bright, BUT I can turn it down easier then turning up the yellow warm feel the city has, because simply put the xiaomi didn't capture that. Hope this helps a bit with what I meant during the video, and that it gives a better insight on my thought process when it comes to the performance on the Xiaomi 13 Pro.
Hey Buddy thanks for the comparison and this comment. I think I understand what you meant and your overall view about the two phone cameras. I think what you are trying to say is that Xiaomi images appears to be very similar to a raw photo, with the added extra cool colour temp in comparison to Vivo. I also know how hard it is to edit JPEG photo if the details aren’t there to begin with. Each phone has their own way to post process image after the shot is taken. I understand Xiaomi 13 pro is less aggressive with this approach which makes the image look boring but rather realistic, however after looking at these shots, I personally think Vivo post processing was done by an amateur who thinks boosting shadows and reducing the highlight to minimum would create fantastic image. I would also like to point out that the lens quality on Xiaomi seems to be far superior. Its handling light source very well with zero lens flare compare to Vivo which can be seen across all your images (example 4:52) . Regarding the shutter speed you have two choices, you can either pick a phone that gives you brighter image with less detail or slightly darker image with more detail. I would personally chose slightly darker image with more detail as my default night photo setting, and when I want to shoot bright clear image at night, I would put my phone on a tripod and lower the shutter speed manually. ✌
@@lookin4talentt Oh I fully get what you are saying that is why I made sure to pin this comment, easy for discussions and opinions about the difference overall. And I do agree, the Xiaomi does handle highlights well, and lens flare. for me just the biggest part stays that warm tone the city has is pretty much gone in all shots, and then here and there it is too dark. But that is also why I commented to someone that this phone has a lot of potentiol, it just needs a tweak for shots like that at 2:16, and 1:48, and some shots in between where the light simply was warm but xiaomi made it to cold. I will however say the more I look at the shot at 3:06 the more I like it on the Xiaomi. it's a bit flatter then reality, BUT you can easily change it on that shot. and at 2:10 again same, the more I look at it the better i find the image, the contrast is nice.
Jermaine you're getting those results out of the Xiaomi 13 Pro because you're using leica authentic. If you're using leica vibrant. The shots would've looked better in lowlight. I know because I had the 12s ultra. In authentic mode I used to get darker images. With vibrant mode it was a completely different story. I think you need to retry using leica vibrant mode and you'll see a different results.
Night, like night, is exactly xiaomi, look carefully, also look at the sky. Xiaomi is the clear winner here, but photographers can see this, not just smartphone users
I'd say 80-85% of night photos here are better on Vivo, but also some like 4:54 (almost looks bleached if you look at the left third of the building) are better on 13 Pro. Sky as well on some. Sure, it would be interesting to set the same settings via pro/manual settings. The reality is, we all like to point and shoot. That being said, think about how much do you photograph in low light, is it mostly bright etc. Mate 50 Pro is a respectable choice as well. Hope Xiaomi will extend exposure time in low light. At the end of day, it's amazing how far phones got in terms of photography. It got me to sell DSLR since I'm not a "pro reporter" but got tired of carrying a bag with camera body and optics for it. See a nice scene? When locked double press that power button and your camera is ready in a second. Click. Done.
Just wondering, have you tried using Gcam on the Vivo or Xiaomi? I've seen some Gcam output with custom config from the 12S Ultra and they look like taken from a mirrorless.
@@ThroughJermainesLens That's true. But some of the config and mods are really impressive. It really unlocks a lot of potential for non Pixel phones. However, it may not worth the time and effort because it's trial and error.
Thanks. I think you have pointed out the pros and cons of Xiaomi 13 pro well. Personally, think the camera performance is nothing special. You show here that the mi11 ultra beats it in lowlight. In daylight it's going to be more down to colours and style. Personally think the mi11 ultra has better video so the only areas I think where the 13 pro might be objectively definitely better is 2-4.9x zoom. However the photo taking experience is a lot better on the Xiaomi 13 pro. Much less shutter lag and the camera startup is much quicker. The improvements seem to be in terms of experience rather than quality
The main camera, macro and portraits were really good on the Xiaomi 13 Pro. The wide angle had distortions at the edges of the picture and blurring. As soon as the light got weaker, the Xiaomi 13 Pro had quite a problem and the night mode was equivalent to a 200 euro smartphone. I think that the software was poorly adapted here. On Wednesday I get the Vivo X90 Pro to test, which I'm really looking forward to.🙂
Oh damn...I ordered the 13 pro during the early access sale...lol but it's ok since the Vivo x90 pro still hasn't launched in my country...that's why I'm still holding on to my x70 pro plus as well...
Don't worry, this is something they will improve on, while i think the vivo is a bit too bright, Xiaomi does need to get closer to it, and work on their low light colours
The Vivo looks a bit too over-processed and the flare is ruining most of the shots . The Xiaomi looks more natural but with a higher ISO I'm not sure if the shadows are really pushable 🤔. It's an interesting comparison nonetheless.
That I can understand, that is why I also made the comment about the brightness. But the Xiaomi has the issue where there are shots the colours are just far to far of, like it being a warm scene turning the light intro white where there wasn't any white light around. And of course where we have situations where you cannot see the building properly at all.
if I am being honest.... I think gcam is a bit overrated... I can understand it for mid-range or low end phones that need more software to help out, but with these kind of phones, I rather not.
I wouldn't say "more natural" because often is misses the colour of the scene itself, it is bad at yellow lights that turn to warm blue lights which isn't the scenery in my city, it is mostly warm there (so yellow) BUT the vivo is too bright I do agree with that. And it is a comment I made a lot in the past as well about a lot of brands, the xiaomi 12 pro for instance did an amazing job with a short burts, but also had the colours correct, and that is mostly my nitpick in the shots, and sometimes as stated it can be simply too dark and contrasty when the scene isn't like that. (the darkness depends, and that is why I showed examples where I think the Vivo was too bright)
What do you think of photos of people iat night. Would the 13 pro benefit of the shorter shutter speed to get a less blurry photo? Would have been nice to have some shots of moving people in the test for us trying to get descent pics of our kids in low light 😀
yeah I dislike bothering people, but I get your point, the Vivo has a slower shutter speed, so if you have kids that move a lot in low light situations, the 13 Pro will be faster and better at capturing them :)
@@ThroughJermainesLens The Vivo though has a sports mode for that. If you choose that it will have a much faster shutter speed than the Xiaomi. It works even in dim situations as it uses some post processing to remove noise. Although not as good as the falcon capture on the honor magic 5 pro I think it's still pretty good. Xiaomi automatically adjusts the shutter speed when you turn on motion focus in the settings but it doesn't work as reliably as it sometimes doesn't detect the motion and increase the shutter speed (especially at night). I suggest you give the sports mode a try and check the shutter speed in the file info and see how fast it is. It can even freeze moving cars at lowlight (at least with city lighting). The honor magic 5 pro though I think is the best of all for moving subject photos. The auto focus is really good (the sensor they are using seems to have better focusing than the imx989) and the shutter speed is very fast
Oh and by the way, in my experience if you use the auto mode on the X90, it still does some kind of night long exposure but without bringing up the colors and light that much.
Nice comparison video there...👍 I think this comes down to preference i guess....were Xiaomi's contrasting image where shadows are a bit on darker side....it gives the night photo a realistic look....whereas vivo' is absolutely brilliant in getting as much details from the shadows and lighting up the entire image which technically is exceptional but a bit away from reality.....but both doing excellent job here I must say.... Also having seen day light photos from xiomi 13 pro and x90 pro...this contrasty processing of xiomi does give the image a very eye pleasing look....whereas Vivo 's same getting as much detail from shadows but a less contrast sometimes leaves the overall image a bit flat in daytime shots....or I can say lacks a bit of punchyness....again personal opinion...would like to know what you think....
These comments I love! Proper discussions :D Ok so I fully get your take, and yes till a degree I am fully with you, that is also why i said that in cases the Vivo can be too bright (punchy counts under that well in a way) But the Xiaomi for me has without a doubt issues, for instance that shot at 1:52, much of the building isn't visible, while with my naked eye I could see it pretty clearly, and then we have shots like at: 2:15 there I would say the clear issue is the colour, while with more shots it showcases the problem in terms of colour, there it is really clear, the Vivo is a BIIITTT more yellow then reality, but the Xiaomi is just white, where that wasn't the scene. And of course we have editing if you wish to do that, with the Vivo that will be made far easier because there is more in the shot. So therefore I would say that the Vivo does a much better job. though I fully agree that in some cases it loses in terms of the night vibe, the feel of it. Thank you for your comment!
@@ThroughJermainesLens yess... totally agree with the points you made there 👍....but I think both these brand have broken the barriers in phone photography with that 1" censor....and I can understand it takes time and patience to perfect anything new developed....and I am sure xiomi and vivo would overcome the shortcomings the future....but man in the end all I feel is seeing what brands like xiomi and vivo can produce at so competitive prices compared to the high end Samsung ultras and iPhones and pixels which do give you quality but burning a hole in your pockets and even surpassing them in some aspects is so commendable.....kudos👏👏to brands like xiomi and vivo.
Oh i am 100% sure that they will! I think the colours are nicer on the xiaomi (apart from the warm tones being white) and as stated the Vivo can be too bright/punchy sometimes. But easier to get that right then a shot where a building is mostly not visible. I just hope they won't overdo it, making it too bright, but based on for instance the Xiaomi 12 Pro from last year they can do a great job with it being fast but also keeping the feel of the night really well!
@@jatansharma6947 the Xiaomi 13 pro is €1,299 euro in Europe though. It is way way more expensive than the Pixel 7 pro which costs around €899 so you have to pay a lot more for it
@@solas1183didn't know that...but here in India both the xiomi 13 pro and the previous generation x80pro costs 15k less than the pixel 7 pro.....and almost 35k less than the iPhone and the Samsung ultras....so I guess I makes these a better from a value for money point of view of you are on a budget constraint.
I am very curious about it as well, I think in day time it is amazing, just that tad of contrast in rainy days needs work, but hopefully they don't go overboard and do it where contrast isn't a thing anymore xD And well low light... well we can see what it needs xD There is potentiol
@@ThroughJermainesLens Definitely potential there. Lens coating upgrade over the Mi 11 ultra, arguably better sensor that is proven to give really good low light shots. They will be fine.
Portrait is a hard one because I don't have someone I can properly film or take images of. Video I would probably give to the vivo, telephoto has more level on the xiaomi as it it functions for portrait and macro, making macro's much nicer then with a wide lens. When it comes to portraits I have tested so far but sadly people who don't want to be show, it is better on the Xiaomi, the vivo is pretty soft
@@ThroughJermainesLens thanks for your insights... Still waiting for the vivo to release.. But i was asking how do the both stack up to the pixel 7 Pro
@@RJGURRI sorry, pixel 7 pro answer: i don't have it xD so i cannot answer, and I dislike giving opinions where i haven't experienced it first hand, but i will give some insight on their approach of images and the differences i have seen, the pixel for me based on what i seen is very "clean" for me it misses then out on character and depth in shots that Xiaomi and Vivo do better (but they do that better then a lot of phones)
@@ThroughJermainesLens agree with you.. When you get it.. A comparison between these 3 would be watched alot.. As there all similar prices approx n competing
It woiuld be more interesting for people who are looking at these phones because they are camera buffs... IF you did a comparison that ONLY used PRO mode, all settings in manual mode. Then you can choose the best ISO best Shutter speed, etc..
OK dat is niet een makkelijke! Het ligt er enorm aan wat voor stijl je wilt, Xiaomi is meer de kant op van echte fotografie, waar de Vivo meer de kant op gaat van de meer standaard heldere foto's. Xiaomi is voor mij de keuze vanwege de meer diepte in de shots, minder van dat heldere effect, and natuurlijk de mooie effecten zoals zwart/wit foto's.
@@Diwi. geen probleem! Ik heb wat meer video's ook qua overdag en het verschil tussen de 2 :) Low light moet ik zeggen als aanpassing, the feel is beter op Xiaomi (authenthic)
For several months, daily looking through smartphone reviews, I moved from one model to another, from one manufacturer to another, I was always looking for those same frames that would very closely resemble the camera, the quality of the photos, highlights, shadows, most importantly color, pixel, huawei, Samsung, iPhone, vivo..., when I was ready to opt for Vivo, I saw xiaomi, I started comparing it with all the models and brands, I want to say that xiaomi is the clear winner , I am a photographer and I look at the image like a photographer, what can I say, my conclusion is personal, this is my personal choice, xiaomi is a clear victory, I would like to put vivo next to it, but if it were completely fair, then vivo is a little behind , I'll give him second place
btw I do want to say, Xiaomi has somewhat fixed the colours, it isn't as blue and cold anymore. That truly helps me because it wasn't reflecting what the city looks like, and I focused a bit too much on that.
Sir which would you suggest from OnePlus 11 vs vivo x90 pro vs mi 13 pro vs Samsung s23 , my priority is all rounder and little camera performance phone
Thank you for that wonderful video. Does mi 11ultra worth it in 2023? It was my dream phone but I couldn't afford it. I can however afford it now but it seems to me to be for old generation. Can it still compete with the 2023 flagship phones?
Because all phones take incredible photos during the day lol. It's pointless to show daytime shots, the focus should be night time. Cuz that's how you can Assess the camera performance
nice of you to mention mi 11 ultra.....in comparison...its still a beast of a phone ...in these days tech TH-camer tend to forget about phone who is 1 or 2 generation back
Personally I prefer the more contrast. Shots by the Vivo tend to allow in too allow too much light in, over brightening and creating a washed out look at tilmes. You see this behavior on street lights and neon lights pretty regularly. In some shots, Vivo definitely has to tone it down. However, in many shots, it's personal preference.
@@ThroughJermainesLens Thanks. You may be able to borrow. I searched TH-cam didn't find any. It might be a good content since it will show if Sony is ready to cannibalise their own best selling vlog camera with this new sensor
Truth is both have kept 1" sensor under utilised. Technically if they had used true rgb 1" sensor would give far better results as image processing remains far less complicated also lens quality matters a lot which i guess compromised here due to space constraint.
That I can fully get, but the problem is that in more then 1 shot it has very little detail, where buildings should be visible it is not, and warm tones turned into cool to almost white colours, that is the main issue, but as stated the vivo can be too bright, but the vivo is easier to turn down then the Xiaomi to turn up because the vivo has more visible data.
Would be lovely if you could compare there daylight shots....which would clear very much confusion regarding which phone to buy between this two exceptional photography phones...
Vivo photos sure have more light but I'd argue that in some cases it's way too much light. No doubt Vivo uses low iso but even then it seems that Xiaomi photos have less grain. I trust Zeiss lens coating but not sure why it does not seems to be working right, all the night shots that I've seen of Vivo x90 pro have this diffused light look which makes the colors slightly washed out and light glares are not controlled at all (see how well Xiaomi has controlled all the light sources). I've noticed this behaviour even in daylight shots when sun is hitting the lens directly and that's a huge bummer for me. Though for sure Xiaomi has it's issues too, I like it's colors but most of it's images are too dark even during the day, they really need to improve their HDR.
for me with the xiaomi it is mostly that in some cases the buildings are too dark compared to reality, BUT the main real thing is the warm tones I have in my city, that just didn't show up, it turns into cold colours, that is a shame, because the more toned down I like, where vivo can without a doubt be to bright and puchy, but brightness can easily be turned down directly on the phone, not turned up without issues as grain and so on. So hopefully the colour adjustion updates will come so it keeps those warmer tones in the city properly :)
Night, like night, is exactly xiaomi, look carefully, also look at the sky. Xiaomi is the clear winner here, but photographers can see this, not just smartphone users
Could the Xiaomi 13 Pro get significantly better with software updates (at least to match the 11 Ultra)? I got a pretty good offer on it, but as it stands now the low light and HDR performance is underwhelming compared to what the hardware is capable of.
Greetings Jermaine from Guatemala, without a doubt the mi 11 ultra despite the years continues to fight, I think the Xiaomi 13 pro will improve with the updates to the camera application that come out.
Hey there 👋 nice video,but can you do a comparison video btw Vivo x90 pro and Samsung s23 ultra (like if you ever get it or go to a showroom for testing),I actually have the Vivo x60 pro and I love it's camera especially at night ,but I'm sceptical of buying Vivo x90 pro coz after the updates my x60 pro sometimes lags and many a times hangs!
The outputs of Xiaomi 13 Pro look more realistic and Natural. Whereas, Vivo X90 Pro has added artificial colors and warmth in its outputs. Now it's completely on the user and his choice.
I would somewhat be able to agree, but the colours are off, yellow turns white, that isn't realistic at all, warm just turns cool in a lot of shots. Where the vivo does capture that better, but as stated the vivo can be too bright and punchy, but it has more data to work with if need be.
I don't think your criticism is correct, except for Xiaomi's handling of the white balance. Vivo has not understood night photography and looks unnatural, negating the nighttime feel. This of course a matter of personal preference. But I do like and appreciate your video, this is excellent work
I think I was hyper focused on the colours too much and some shots not showing the building effected it as well, BUT I will be doing a video about that because my view is shifted a bit just looking at it longer and longer, though the colour is STILL a problem, having turns turn from yellow to white isn't good, that warm feeling is what makes this city so nice, so having those cold colours destroys the feeling of it a lot. But I will agree that the Vivo is too punchy, but in turn it is easier to turn that down then to turn up brightness. (colours still need work on vivo as well with the saturation though) but there is more data in the shot to work with.
x90 pro was better here but i think if there was the s23 ultra i would win the xiaomi 13 pro at night i don't think much vivo x90 pro was the winner in everything.but x90 pro has automatic night mode
Dude, photos are taken to save memories, now at look those photos and try to relive the memories, Vivo photos looks washed in some scenarios and post processing introduced noise. Xiaomi photos are more natural and better looking and that vigenette effect sets a mood which reminds you the day you taken the photo. For warmer tone and brighter photo use the Leica Vibrant mode. This time Xiaomi is way ahead of others in photography and post processing doing its job capturing moment.
See pinned comment:) and there are still things xiaomi needs to work on, because yellow sources shouldn't be white, in my city that doesn't work well. The Xiaomi 13 Pro so far is my favourite
@@ThroughJermainesLens that's what I thought, especially when you look at the list and then what the famous TH-camrs say about the camera performance it doesn't match at all. I am very curious about the comparison between leica vibrant and authentic
We understand that you chose Leica Authentic Mode all the way and that's why Xiaomi feels weird!.. Use the Vibrant mode & then you will notice the Xiaomi can shoot some amazing night shots!
Peace be upon you. Regarding the vivo x90 pro plus phone, which was announced 3 months ago, is the version now available in the UAE global? And if it is Chinese, how can I get rid of annoying Chinese ads and applications?
See the comments that I made :) I said sometimes it goes for too much, but you do have more space because with the xiaomi the problem is that you often don't see what you see in real life, like colours being wrong, warm colours turning in to white, and then it doesn't reflect the scene at all. Therefore I am making that comment about colour.
Vivo are brighter even the sky looks unnatural, black sky for Xiaomi that really makes you feel its a night shot more natural i can say. Xiaomi wins for me
please include shots of people next time as most people takes photos of themselves or their family or pets instead of just buildings and infrastructure
@@ThroughJermainesLens I am jealous too. I still have oppo find x5 pro lol and I believe vivo is way ahead over oppo. I wish I have either x90 pro or pro +. 😅
Xiaomi is not for everyone. Xiaomi is for those who look to achieve certain look. As you guys know it has been tuned for Leica looks. If any of you been using Leica you'll Leica looks which is not for any general user who doesn't appreciate to achieve shooting style. Xiaomi photos definitely not completely dark it just being a style
I love Xiaomi, and their daytime is so good!!! LOVE IT! BUT in low light, the problem is colours, often the warm tones my city has is gone, and that is part of the mood that is then removed. And in some cases parts that are easily visible not being visible on the Xiaomi as well, that is why.
will do a seperate video comparing Authenthic and Vibrant to see the difference. I prefer authenthic but seeing the colours being so far off I will see if it makes a difference.
I came back to my conclusion after editing this, i looked at it longer and well... I have to agree. THOUGH!!!! the colours I will stick with, and I think that had my focus too much. The Xiaomi 13 Pro white balance was off, and that sucks, because my city is warm, so more yellow then white/blue that Xiaomi did.
@@ThroughJermainesLensThank you, but I’ll repeat once again that I write as a photographer, and not as a simple smartphone user. It’s easier to edit color and tone in any editor if it’s a little blue, closer to white, rather than removing yellowness. You can also change the settings on the phone itself. I agree that a simple user wants to get a picture like he sees, yes. But for a person who deals with photographs and videos, clarity, details, shadows are much more important than a little blue or yellow; yellow is just more difficult to work with than blue. This is just my opinion based on many years of experience. Thank you for your answer, we all look at what is more interesting for us personally, common experience only allows us to look at this picture differently, different opinions, which is not unimportant.. Thank you for your reviews, thank you for your time
Oh but I am not talking about the editing side to be fair, I am talking about direct from camera. That is most of the time what I need to do when it comes to showcasing how they perform (though lately I have been shifting to editings shots as well, showing edited and unedited, because with editing I can of course do a good amount of work, but for a normal consumer they might just want to see more how it just performs without edits. @@valeriyavida
And I never know yellow was harder to work on then blue! I am new in editing, so good to know!!! (but it makes sense lol) Thank you :) @@valeriyavida Tips are ALWAYS welcome!
vivo is oversaturated and overexposed it should be night scene but look like to much light coming in into vivo pict which is not realistic.. but as i can see this review more bias towards vivo
Not at all, listen to what I said in the video, heck said it several times that the Vivo can be too bright. I am talking about colours being off on the Xiaomi where yellow is white on it, and where part of the building is hardly visible where to my eyes it was easily visible.
I personally think camera comparison should be left to photographers who are more experienced with photography, with that said I personally liked Xiaomi's photos despite their cool colour grading approach. The photos from Vivo looks way too HDR for my liking.
I can agree with that till a degree, while I think the vivo is too bright, the Xiaomi is losing that warm tone in my city in this mode, so that needs work, and from time to time it is too dark (though as stated in the video in cases that also benefits the shot a lot to add characther to it :)
Thanks for the comparison. I find the Xiaomi photos better in all instances. Better black levels, contrast and a filmatic feel. Vivo photos, to me anyway, is like pushing the shadow bar all the way to the right in LR. Sometimes you don't need that bright. Anyway keep up the good work.
I agree that the vivo can be too bright, but the biggest issue I have with the xiaomi is that often things that are easily visible in reality aren't with Xiaomi, and colours are of by some margin, and the colours is for me the biggest thing.
I prefer the photos from xiaomi as well... The blacks on vivo shots are meh...
@@ThroughJermainesLens I'm in favor of the 13 as well.
Night is Night, I don't want to have day time feel when taking Night photo's.
It's a matter of taste U guess.
Leica took it to a more natural setting.
I had a X90 Pro+ but quickly sold it. Had to work against the camera too often with EV -1 to -2 because it made everything look like day shots without any contrast. I really hated it. Much happier with my 13 Pro.
The Leica Vibrant mode on the Xiaomi 13 Pro can bring more saturation (colours) and brightness to the photo. In this video, you used Leica Authentic, so the results may vary. Leica Authentic brings more contrast and less saturation, giving it a more vintage look, which not many people appreciate it but I do :)
Right.
Ok clear, I shall go out again and test the difference between those 2 modes, for me though it is more about colour accuracy, with the xiaomi removing the warm feel my city has.
@@ThroughJermainesLens waiting for your results
@@ThroughJermainesLens when 😂
@@shaileyshankar here it is ;) th-cam.com/video/VbqbTpklnN0/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the great video. I personally prefer the Xiaomi because of its more realistic look. 😅 Vivo just looks too bright and not realistic, it looks like it sometimes blows out everything. :/ But they both take very great photos. I prefer the Xiaomi personally
Hi ^^ Thank you, I can agree with it sometimes being too bright, I will however copy my comment I did to someone else ^^ about why I say the vivo is better and why xiaomi needs an update for their 13 Pro ^^
Ok so I fully get your take, and yes till a degree I am fully with you, that is also why i said that in cases the Vivo can be too bright (punchy counts under that well in a way)
But the Xiaomi for me has without a doubt issues, for instance that shot at 1:52, much of the building isn't visible, while with my naked eye I could see it pretty clearly, and then we have shots like at: 2:15 there I would say the clear issue is the colour, while with more shots it showcases the problem in terms of colour, there it is really clear, the Vivo is a BIIITTT more yellow then reality, but the Xiaomi is just white, where that wasn't the scene.
And of course we have editing if you wish to do that, with the Vivo that will be made far easier because there is more in the shot.
So therefore I would say that the Vivo does a much better job.
though I fully agree that in some cases it loses in terms of the night vibe, the feel of it.
Thank you for your comment!
I agree with you on that Vivo's photos are more versatile since brighter image is easier to edit down, but there is limit to that as well. I usually prefer night photos to look like night, so overall I found Xiaomi to be closer to what I would want. There are a few examples in the video where you can clearly see the noise on Vivo, but not so much on Xiaomi. The white balance fails are disappointing though, hopefully they will improve that in the software by the time 13 Ultra rolls out. Knowing Xiaomi though... I guess we will see.
By the way, I'm on mi11 Ultra right now and it is definitely a capable shooter. What I found to be lacking in night photos is light source handling - night mode tends to fail a lot in this regard and it is more reliable to shoot on locked pro mode.
Great review overall, appreciate your effort!
and so? You can lower brightness on Vivo but you can't add more detail to Xiaomi. The quality of night shots for Xiaomi is unacceptable considering its price. Xiaomi 13 pro is easily beaten by phone that were launched 2 or 3 years ago.
Moment of silence for people who don't know how to use manual mode or put the brightness down. I suppose they buy new phones regularly.
I want to pin this comment because of comments I see, and maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my video, therefore making a pinned comment to clarify my thoughts about it.
SO let's begin with why I say the Vivo at this moment wins, the Xiaomi's main problem is colours, my city is pretty warm, so yellow lights, but on the Xiaomi often those warm tones are turned into blue/cold tones, heck even almost white in 1 shot of the lights.
Then when it comes to feel, I can understand that with night photography you want it to look like night, and I 100% agree with this, having that sense of night is important! it allows a night shot to look like well it is night, and often a comment I have about phones doing night photography is where the sky is almost daytime, which destroys the mood of the scene. And more often then not the Xiaomi is the clear winner here, the feeling of night is captured far better on the Xiaomi.
But Xiaomi goes too far when it comes to the darkness. For instance the shot at 1:52, the colours inside the building much nicer and better on the xiaomi, not even a question there, BUT there is so much shadow that the building above it is almost invicble, where I could easily see it with my eyes, and I cannot rework that shot after it because that information isn't there.
(again though inside the building much better job by Xiaomi even more so with the book case)
and at 2:01, again here I have some comments, the vivo, yes a tad too bright, even more so on the right side of the picture, but in turn the colours are really off on the xiaomi, it doesn't look like that.
and for me the biggest one is at 2:15 the lights are not like that at all, it is a yellow light source that somehow turned white, it wasn't the scene at all, where again I would say the vivo a bit too much on the tones, BUT it is closer to reality in terms of colour. The shot before that though at 2:12, that looks great on the Xiaomi, there the contrast looks realy nice.
But the trend of the xiaomi removing the warm tones that are there are for me the biggest gripes, where with the vivo as I commented on in the video as well, it can be too bright, BUT I can turn it down easier then turning up the yellow warm feel the city has, because simply put the xiaomi didn't capture that.
Hope this helps a bit with what I meant during the video, and that it gives a better insight on my thought process when it comes to the performance on the Xiaomi 13 Pro.
Hey Buddy thanks for the comparison and this comment. I think I understand what you meant and your overall view about the two phone cameras. I think what you are trying to say is that Xiaomi images appears to be very similar to a raw photo, with the added extra cool colour temp in comparison to Vivo. I also know how hard it is to edit JPEG photo if the details aren’t there to begin with. Each phone has their own way to post process image after the shot is taken. I understand Xiaomi 13 pro is less aggressive with this approach which makes the image look boring but rather realistic, however after looking at these shots, I personally think Vivo post processing was done by an amateur who thinks boosting shadows and reducing the highlight to minimum would create fantastic image. I would also like to point out that the lens quality on Xiaomi seems to be far superior. Its handling light source very well with zero lens flare compare to Vivo which can be seen across all your images (example 4:52) . Regarding the shutter speed you have two choices, you can either pick a phone that gives you brighter image with less detail or slightly darker image with more detail. I would personally chose slightly darker image with more detail as my default night photo setting, and when I want to shoot bright clear image at night, I would put my phone on a tripod and lower the shutter speed manually. ✌
@@lookin4talentt Oh I fully get what you are saying that is why I made sure to pin this comment, easy for discussions and opinions about the difference overall.
And I do agree, the Xiaomi does handle highlights well, and lens flare.
for me just the biggest part stays that warm tone the city has is pretty much gone in all shots, and then here and there it is too dark. But that is also why I commented to someone that this phone has a lot of potentiol, it just needs a tweak for shots like that at 2:16, and 1:48, and some shots in between where the light simply was warm but xiaomi made it to cold. I will however say the more I look at the shot at 3:06 the more I like it on the Xiaomi. it's a bit flatter then reality, BUT you can easily change it on that shot. and at 2:10 again same, the more I look at it the better i find the image, the contrast is nice.
Jermaine you're getting those results out of the Xiaomi 13 Pro because you're using leica authentic. If you're using leica vibrant. The shots would've looked better in lowlight. I know because I had the 12s ultra. In authentic mode I used to get darker images. With vibrant mode it was a completely different story. I think you need to retry using leica vibrant mode and you'll see a different results.
But night like night it xiaomi no vivo
Night, like night, is exactly xiaomi, look carefully, also look at the sky. Xiaomi is the clear winner here, but photographers can see this, not just smartphone users
I'd say 80-85% of night photos here are better on Vivo, but also some like 4:54 (almost looks bleached if you look at the left third of the building) are better on 13 Pro. Sky as well on some.
Sure, it would be interesting to set the same settings via pro/manual settings. The reality is, we all like to point and shoot. That being said, think about how much do you photograph in low light, is it mostly bright etc. Mate 50 Pro is a respectable choice as well. Hope Xiaomi will extend exposure time in low light.
At the end of day, it's amazing how far phones got in terms of photography. It got me to sell DSLR since I'm not a "pro reporter" but got tired of carrying a bag with camera body and optics for it. See a nice scene? When locked double press that power button and your camera is ready in a second. Click. Done.
People Tend To Forget At What Makes Night Photography Looks Great:
It Is To Keep Night, Looks Like Night.
I agree there 100% and that is why i made comments as well where the vivo can be too bright
Did the Xiaomi deliver such update already?
For low light you used Authentic or Vibrant mode on 13 Pro?
Authentic, i never use vibrant
That's what I wanted to know. I get pretty different looks when switching between the two.
@@ThroughJermainesLens plss use vibrant while capturing night photos, all of your complains will be vanished once you use Vibrant mode
@@ohdembein how's the vibrant mode in low light?
Just wondering, have you tried using Gcam on the Vivo or Xiaomi? I've seen some Gcam output with custom config from the 12S Ultra and they look like taken from a mirrorless.
I really don't like Gcam, it has the clear mobile photography approach, and not a big fan of it.
@@ThroughJermainesLens That's true.
But some of the config and mods are really impressive. It really unlocks a lot of potential for non Pixel phones. However, it may not worth the time and effort because it's trial and error.
Thanks. I think you have pointed out the pros and cons of Xiaomi 13 pro well. Personally, think the camera performance is nothing special. You show here that the mi11 ultra beats it in lowlight. In daylight it's going to be more down to colours and style. Personally think the mi11 ultra has better video so the only areas I think where the 13 pro might be objectively definitely better is 2-4.9x zoom. However the photo taking experience is a lot better on the Xiaomi 13 pro. Much less shutter lag and the camera startup is much quicker. The improvements seem to be in terms of experience rather than quality
Hi man , amazing videos ! Can u get any Zte axon or Nubia z50 or z40 ultra.
I would need to see if I somehow can contact them about that :) I shall see what I can do :)
Nubia z50 ultra seems very promising man. Also from what i know, it's the first non gaming device from nubia and the focus is on photography.
The main camera, macro and portraits were really good on the Xiaomi 13 Pro. The wide angle had distortions at the edges of the picture and blurring. As soon as the light got weaker, the Xiaomi 13 Pro had quite a problem and the night mode was equivalent to a 200 euro smartphone. I think that the software was poorly adapted here. On Wednesday I get the Vivo X90 Pro to test, which I'm really looking forward to.🙂
Oh damn...I ordered the 13 pro during the early access sale...lol but it's ok since the Vivo x90 pro still hasn't launched in my country...that's why I'm still holding on to my x70 pro plus as well...
Don't worry, this is something they will improve on, while i think the vivo is a bit too bright, Xiaomi does need to get closer to it, and work on their low light colours
@@ThroughJermainesLens what I’m most excited about is the main sensor and the telephoto macro on the 13 pro
@@ThroughJermainesLens plus I feel the x70 pro plus still holds its own… it’s aged gracefully and is still no slouch
@@vinayaksuri8166 I love those on the Xiaomi 13 Pro! really solid. Here a daytime video just on the 13 pro :)
th-cam.com/video/PU67GKDH3Oo/w-d-xo.html
The Vivo looks a bit too over-processed and the flare is ruining most of the shots . The Xiaomi looks more natural but with a higher ISO I'm not sure if the shadows are really pushable 🤔. It's an interesting comparison nonetheless.
That I can understand, that is why I also made the comment about the brightness. But the Xiaomi has the issue where there are shots the colours are just far to far of, like it being a warm scene turning the light intro white where there wasn't any white light around. And of course where we have situations where you cannot see the building properly at all.
nice reviews, keep up g 👍
Thank you :)
What you think of gcam comparison
if I am being honest.... I think gcam is a bit overrated... I can understand it for mid-range or low end phones that need more software to help out, but with these kind of phones, I rather not.
Thanks for vedio is there a difrence between x90pro and x90 pro plus in night shot?
Pro plus is hard for me to judge because i don't own it, but that does have a better wide sensor and a better CPU which might help
@@ThroughJermainesLens thanks
For me the Xiaomi 13 Pro delivers the way more natural pictures. I like every picture more than those from the Vivo.
I wouldn't say "more natural" because often is misses the colour of the scene itself, it is bad at yellow lights that turn to warm blue lights which isn't the scenery in my city, it is mostly warm there (so yellow) BUT the vivo is too bright I do agree with that. And it is a comment I made a lot in the past as well about a lot of brands, the xiaomi 12 pro for instance did an amazing job with a short burts, but also had the colours correct, and that is mostly my nitpick in the shots, and sometimes as stated it can be simply too dark and contrasty when the scene isn't like that. (the darkness depends, and that is why I showed examples where I think the Vivo was too bright)
What do you think of photos of people iat night. Would the 13 pro benefit of the shorter shutter speed to get a less blurry photo? Would have been nice to have some shots of moving people in the test for us trying to get descent pics of our kids in low light 😀
yeah I dislike bothering people, but I get your point, the Vivo has a slower shutter speed, so if you have kids that move a lot in low light situations, the 13 Pro will be faster and better at capturing them :)
@@ThroughJermainesLens The Vivo though has a sports mode for that. If you choose that it will have a much faster shutter speed than the Xiaomi. It works even in dim situations as it uses some post processing to remove noise. Although not as good as the falcon capture on the honor magic 5 pro I think it's still pretty good. Xiaomi automatically adjusts the shutter speed when you turn on motion focus in the settings but it doesn't work as reliably as it sometimes doesn't detect the motion and increase the shutter speed (especially at night). I suggest you give the sports mode a try and check the shutter speed in the file info and see how fast it is. It can even freeze moving cars at lowlight (at least with city lighting). The honor magic 5 pro though I think is the best of all for moving subject photos. The auto focus is really good (the sensor they are using seems to have better focusing than the imx989) and the shutter speed is very fast
Oh and by the way, in my experience if you use the auto mode on the X90, it still does some kind of night long exposure but without bringing up the colors and light that much.
oh that would be good!!!
Nice comparison video there...👍
I think this comes down to preference i guess....were Xiaomi's contrasting image where shadows are a bit on darker side....it gives the night photo a realistic look....whereas vivo' is absolutely brilliant in getting as much details from the shadows and lighting up the entire image which technically is exceptional but a bit away from reality.....but both doing excellent job here I must say....
Also having seen day light photos from xiomi 13 pro and x90 pro...this contrasty processing of xiomi does give the image a very eye pleasing look....whereas Vivo 's same getting as much detail from shadows but a less contrast sometimes leaves the overall image a bit flat in daytime shots....or I can say lacks a bit of punchyness....again personal opinion...would like to know what you think....
These comments I love! Proper discussions :D
Ok so I fully get your take, and yes till a degree I am fully with you, that is also why i said that in cases the Vivo can be too bright (punchy counts under that well in a way)
But the Xiaomi for me has without a doubt issues, for instance that shot at 1:52, much of the building isn't visible, while with my naked eye I could see it pretty clearly, and then we have shots like at: 2:15 there I would say the clear issue is the colour, while with more shots it showcases the problem in terms of colour, there it is really clear, the Vivo is a BIIITTT more yellow then reality, but the Xiaomi is just white, where that wasn't the scene.
And of course we have editing if you wish to do that, with the Vivo that will be made far easier because there is more in the shot.
So therefore I would say that the Vivo does a much better job.
though I fully agree that in some cases it loses in terms of the night vibe, the feel of it.
Thank you for your comment!
@@ThroughJermainesLens yess... totally agree with the points you made there 👍....but I think both these brand have broken the barriers in phone photography with that 1" censor....and I can understand it takes time and patience to perfect anything new developed....and I am sure xiomi and vivo would overcome the shortcomings the future....but man in the end all I feel is seeing what brands like xiomi and vivo can produce at so competitive prices compared to the high end Samsung ultras and iPhones and pixels which do give you quality but burning a hole in your pockets and even surpassing them in some aspects is so commendable.....kudos👏👏to brands like xiomi and vivo.
Oh i am 100% sure that they will! I think the colours are nicer on the xiaomi (apart from the warm tones being white) and as stated the Vivo can be too bright/punchy sometimes. But easier to get that right then a shot where a building is mostly not visible.
I just hope they won't overdo it, making it too bright, but based on for instance the Xiaomi 12 Pro from last year they can do a great job with it being fast but also keeping the feel of the night really well!
@@jatansharma6947 the Xiaomi 13 pro is €1,299 euro in Europe though. It is way way more expensive than the Pixel 7 pro which costs around €899 so you have to pay a lot more for it
@@solas1183didn't know that...but here in India both the xiomi 13 pro and the previous generation x80pro costs 15k less than the pixel 7 pro.....and almost 35k less than the iPhone and the Samsung ultras....so I guess I makes these a better from a value for money point of view of you are on a budget constraint.
My lovely mi 11 ultra is featured!
Liked just for that alone!!
I am curious to see what the update brings. They are close to nailing this phone.
I am very curious about it as well, I think in day time it is amazing, just that tad of contrast in rainy days needs work, but hopefully they don't go overboard and do it where contrast isn't a thing anymore xD
And well low light... well we can see what it needs xD There is potentiol
@@ThroughJermainesLens Definitely potential there. Lens coating upgrade over the Mi 11 ultra, arguably better sensor that is proven to give really good low light shots. They will be fine.
How is xiaomi 13 pro front camera, any good????
Xiaomi looks better making it still look like it's a night photo rather than a not night photo from vivo
Great comparison.. These two r ne k go neck.. A portrait.. Video.. Telephoto comparison would be next... Also which one is better than pixel 7 Pro
Portrait is a hard one because I don't have someone I can properly film or take images of. Video I would probably give to the vivo, telephoto has more level on the xiaomi as it it functions for portrait and macro, making macro's much nicer then with a wide lens.
When it comes to portraits I have tested so far but sadly people who don't want to be show, it is better on the Xiaomi, the vivo is pretty soft
@@ThroughJermainesLens thanks for your insights... Still waiting for the vivo to release.. But i was asking how do the both stack up to the pixel 7 Pro
@@RJGURRI sorry, pixel 7 pro answer: i don't have it xD so i cannot answer, and I dislike giving opinions where i haven't experienced it first hand, but i will give some insight on their approach of images and the differences i have seen, the pixel for me based on what i seen is very "clean" for me it misses then out on character and depth in shots that Xiaomi and Vivo do better (but they do that better then a lot of phones)
@@ThroughJermainesLens agree with you.. When you get it.. A comparison between these 3 would be watched alot.. As there all similar prices approx n competing
I like Xiaomi's photos better, looks more natural to my eyes.
It woiuld be more interesting for people who are looking at these phones because they are camera buffs... IF you did a comparison that ONLY used PRO mode, all settings in manual mode. Then you can choose the best ISO best Shutter speed, etc..
mmmm intresting idea!
Xiaomi 13 pro of de Vivo x90 pro als beste allround camera. Wat is jouw keuze? Bedankt. Goede video's trouwens.
OK dat is niet een makkelijke! Het ligt er enorm aan wat voor stijl je wilt, Xiaomi is meer de kant op van echte fotografie, waar de Vivo meer de kant op gaat van de meer standaard heldere foto's.
Xiaomi is voor mij de keuze vanwege de meer diepte in de shots, minder van dat heldere effect, and natuurlijk de mooie effecten zoals zwart/wit foto's.
@@ThroughJermainesLens Dat is het antwoord waar ik op gehoopt had. Dank je wel 👍
@@Diwi. geen probleem! Ik heb wat meer video's ook qua overdag en het verschil tussen de 2 :) Low light moet ik zeggen als aanpassing, the feel is beter op Xiaomi (authenthic)
Very good reviews between 1 inch sensor flagships and between old and new flagships
Thanks
For several months, daily looking through smartphone reviews, I moved from one model to another, from one manufacturer to another, I was always looking for those same frames that would very closely resemble the camera, the quality of the photos, highlights, shadows, most importantly color, pixel, huawei, Samsung, iPhone, vivo..., when I was ready to opt for Vivo, I saw xiaomi, I started comparing it with all the models and brands, I want to say that xiaomi is the clear winner , I am a photographer and I look at the image like a photographer, what can I say, my conclusion is personal, this is my personal choice, xiaomi is a clear victory, I would like to put vivo next to it, but if it were completely fair, then vivo is a little behind , I'll give him second place
btw I do want to say, Xiaomi has somewhat fixed the colours, it isn't as blue and cold anymore. That truly helps me because it wasn't reflecting what the city looks like, and I focused a bit too much on that.
Which one is best day light potrait mod?
I would say Xiaomi :)
Sir which would you suggest from OnePlus 11 vs vivo x90 pro vs mi 13 pro vs Samsung s23 , my priority is all rounder and little camera performance phone
ok so Camera is not the main focus? Then the OnePlus 11 is a great alrounder for a good price (even though it misses the 3.5, but they all do soooo)
Video?
SO... The update? :D
@@SHUTENSEPC sorry? 😅 Unsure what you mean^^
Thank you for that wonderful video.
Does mi 11ultra worth it in 2023? It was my dream phone but I couldn't afford it. I can however afford it now but it seems to me to be for old generation. Can it still compete with the 2023 flagship phones?
I would say if you don't expect many more updates then yes, the mi11 ultra still holds up really well!
Why only night fotos?
because daytime will be seperate :) That will follow ;)
Because all phones take incredible photos during the day lol. It's pointless to show daytime shots, the focus should be night time. Cuz that's how you can Assess the camera performance
No. At night , i sleep.
nice of you to mention mi 11 ultra.....in comparison...its still a beast of a phone ...in these days tech TH-camer tend to forget about phone who is 1 or 2 generation back
Oh yeah the mi11 ultra is a beast!
Personally I prefer the more contrast. Shots by the Vivo tend to allow in too allow too much light in, over brightening and creating a washed out look at tilmes. You see this behavior on street lights and neon lights pretty regularly. In some shots, Vivo definitely has to tone it down. However, in many shots, it's personal preference.
I think xiaomi is better too
Hi man!What about S23 Ultra vs Vivo X90 Pro or Honor Magic 5 Pro?Cheers
I sadly only have the Vivo, so cannot judge the others.
Really nice video Jeramaine👍🏻👍🏻. Could you please try vivo x90 pro vs pixel 7 pro? And also X90 pro vs. Galaxy S23 plus, pixel 7 pro vs. S23+?
Could you please test these against 1 inch Sony camera Zv1
Let me see if I can make some free budget for that ^^ My channel isn't very big so need to see :)
@@ThroughJermainesLens Thanks. You may be able to borrow. I searched TH-cam didn't find any. It might be a good content since it will show if Sony is ready to cannibalise their own best selling vlog camera with this new sensor
Truth is both have kept 1" sensor under utilised. Technically if they had used true rgb 1" sensor would give far better results as image processing remains far less complicated also lens quality matters a lot which i guess compromised here due to space constraint.
Ur using Leica authentic right well that's why there's two modes if u want vivo like shot use vibrant
I like xiaomi 13 pro night more cus it's have a night vibe
That I can fully get, but the problem is that in more then 1 shot it has very little detail, where buildings should be visible it is not, and warm tones turned into cool to almost white colours, that is the main issue, but as stated the vivo can be too bright, but the vivo is easier to turn down then the Xiaomi to turn up because the vivo has more visible data.
Would be lovely if you could compare there daylight shots....which would clear very much confusion regarding which phone to buy between this two exceptional photography phones...
Hi, that will happen:) more to discuss and would be long if low light and day time were talked about together, too long for most people haha
@@ThroughJermainesLens haha 😂👍
Thanks
Vivo photos sure have more light but I'd argue that in some cases it's way too much light. No doubt Vivo uses low iso but even then it seems that Xiaomi photos have less grain.
I trust Zeiss lens coating but not sure why it does not seems to be working right, all the night shots that I've seen of Vivo x90 pro have this diffused light look which makes the colors slightly washed out and light glares are not controlled at all (see how well Xiaomi has controlled all the light sources). I've noticed this behaviour even in daylight shots when sun is hitting the lens directly and that's a huge bummer for me.
Though for sure Xiaomi has it's issues too, I like it's colors but most of it's images are too dark even during the day, they really need to improve their HDR.
for me with the xiaomi it is mostly that in some cases the buildings are too dark compared to reality, BUT the main real thing is the warm tones I have in my city, that just didn't show up, it turns into cold colours, that is a shame, because the more toned down I like, where vivo can without a doubt be to bright and puchy, but brightness can easily be turned down directly on the phone, not turned up without issues as grain and so on.
So hopefully the colour adjustion updates will come so it keeps those warmer tones in the city properly :)
The xiaomi is very good in low light
But the Vivo is on another level
My instagram reels are lagging in vivo x90 pro somebody please help
Even with an update to Xiaomi it is hard to beat Vivo X90 Pro because of the dedicated V2 camera chip in it which has amazing capabilities!!..
Vivo is night king.
Agreed
Vivo is like pushing the shadow bar to the right like on the LR, the image is too bright so the night scene is unnatural
@@bedubed404yes
Night, like night, is exactly xiaomi, look carefully, also look at the sky. Xiaomi is the clear winner here, but photographers can see this, not just smartphone users
Could the Xiaomi 13 Pro get significantly better with software updates (at least to match the 11 Ultra)? I got a pretty good offer on it, but as it stands now the low light and HDR performance is underwhelming compared to what the hardware is capable of.
oh it will be, i am not even doubting that.
Greetings Jermaine from Guatemala, without a doubt the mi 11 ultra despite the years continues to fight, I think the Xiaomi 13 pro will improve with the updates to the camera application that come out.
This is how the mi 11 ultra that I have has remained, each update of the camera app has improved the phone a lot.
waiting for the rumored update xD
Hey there 👋 nice video,but can you do a comparison video btw Vivo x90 pro and Samsung s23 ultra (like if you ever get it or go to a showroom for testing),I actually have the Vivo x60 pro and I love it's camera especially at night ,but I'm sceptical of buying Vivo x90 pro coz after the updates my x60 pro sometimes lags and many a times hangs!
The outputs of Xiaomi 13 Pro look more realistic and Natural. Whereas, Vivo X90 Pro has added artificial colors and warmth in its outputs. Now it's completely on the user and his choice.
And, Vivo has added a lot of lights and noises in its outputs. Whereas, Xiaomi 13 Pro has given a black, Dark sky in those shots
I would somewhat be able to agree, but the colours are off, yellow turns white, that isn't realistic at all, warm just turns cool in a lot of shots.
Where the vivo does capture that better, but as stated the vivo can be too bright and punchy, but it has more data to work with if need be.
@@ThroughJermainesLens hmm. Have you tried the Leica Vibrant mode in Xiaomi 13 Pro?
@@rakhiroychoudhury4923 I haven't really, in daytime even more so i prefer authentic, might see if i can do a comparison between the 2
I don't think your criticism is correct, except for Xiaomi's handling of the white balance. Vivo has not understood night photography and looks unnatural, negating the nighttime feel. This of course a matter of personal preference. But I do like and appreciate your video, this is excellent work
I think I was hyper focused on the colours too much and some shots not showing the building effected it as well, BUT I will be doing a video about that because my view is shifted a bit just looking at it longer and longer, though the colour is STILL a problem, having turns turn from yellow to white isn't good, that warm feeling is what makes this city so nice, so having those cold colours destroys the feeling of it a lot.
But I will agree that the Vivo is too punchy, but in turn it is easier to turn that down then to turn up brightness. (colours still need work on vivo as well with the saturation though) but there is more data in the shot to work with.
x90 pro was better here but i think if there was the s23 ultra i would win the xiaomi 13 pro at night i don't think much vivo x90 pro was the winner in everything.but x90 pro has automatic night mode
I have vivo x90 pro +
The best phone on world the best phone
There is 14.0.1 global released by ota. Btw make a comparison between mi11u and vivox90pro and mi13pro as well. Thanks in advance!
I am keeping an eye on it;)
I think it's too close to call. Both looked good to me
Dude, photos are taken to save memories, now at look those photos and try to relive the memories, Vivo photos looks washed in some scenarios and post processing introduced noise. Xiaomi photos are more natural and better looking and that vigenette effect sets a mood which reminds you the day you taken the photo.
For warmer tone and brighter photo use the Leica Vibrant mode.
This time Xiaomi is way ahead of others in photography and post processing doing its job capturing moment.
See pinned comment:) and there are still things xiaomi needs to work on, because yellow sources shouldn't be white, in my city that doesn't work well. The Xiaomi 13 Pro so far is my favourite
what do you think of the Dxo ranking list,?? according to them, the Xiaomi 13 pro only comes in sixteenth place
I haven't taken them seriously for yeaaaarrrssss
@@ThroughJermainesLens that's what I thought, especially when you look at the list and then what the famous TH-camrs say about the camera performance it doesn't match at all. I am very curious about the comparison between leica vibrant and authentic
@@pieter4898 stay tuned for that one^^ need more shots for the video^^
@@ThroughJermainesLens yes please compare the 2 modes
Vivo king ❤❤❤ low light
Vivo x90 pro win.. Looks more colourful and very clear
Something wrong with blue lights on building on Vivo - 4:17
I said it again and I will say it again. Vivo is the king of Low Light
if you dont show crop, will be immposible to understand difference
Please compare Vivo with S23 ultra in night time
I would, but I don't own the 23 Ultra, my channel is too small xD
now waiting for Xioami 13 Ultra vs Vivo X90 Pro Plus
I wish I could help you there, but with my current channel size... 🤣😅
I surprised to know that in battle between 13 pro and x90 winner is 11 ultra
No competition. They play in different leagues
We understand that you chose Leica Authentic Mode all the way and that's why Xiaomi feels weird!.. Use the Vibrant mode & then you will notice the Xiaomi can shoot some amazing night shots!
th-cam.com/video/VbqbTpklnN0/w-d-xo.html here it is
Peace be upon you. Regarding the vivo x90 pro plus phone, which was announced 3 months ago, is the version now available in the UAE global?
And if it is Chinese, how can I get rid of annoying Chinese ads and applications?
You run a script from Xda . In 10 seconds your phone its clean .
Thought you don't like punchy photos that's not realistic. Neither of these phones take realistic pics. Great review.
See the comments that I made :) I said sometimes it goes for too much, but you do have more space because with the xiaomi the problem is that you often don't see what you see in real life, like colours being wrong, warm colours turning in to white, and then it doesn't reflect the scene at all. Therefore I am making that comment about colour.
Vivo are brighter even the sky looks unnatural, black sky for Xiaomi that really makes you feel its a night shot more natural i can say. Xiaomi wins for me
Yeah making a vid on it
Xiaomi 13pro click photo low light brightness problem😔
please include shots of people next time as most people takes photos of themselves or their family or pets instead of just buildings and infrastructure
i prefer the xiaomi low light pics
Hey, i have the X90 Pro + and i absolutely love it. It can easily beat every other phone on the market. :)
the pro+ I am jealous of that!!!!!
@@ThroughJermainesLens I am jealous too. I still have oppo find x5 pro lol and I believe vivo is way ahead over oppo. I wish I have either x90 pro or pro +. 😅
Why do reviewers rarely review low light video? Annoying. 😒
Xiaomi is not for everyone. Xiaomi is for those who look to achieve certain look. As you guys know it has been tuned for Leica looks. If any of you been using Leica you'll Leica looks which is not for any general user who doesn't appreciate to achieve shooting style. Xiaomi photos definitely not completely dark it just being a style
I love Xiaomi, and their daytime is so good!!! LOVE IT! BUT in low light, the problem is colours, often the warm tones my city has is gone, and that is part of the mood that is then removed. And in some cases parts that are easily visible not being visible on the Xiaomi as well, that is why.
VIVO x90 pro VS MI13 Pro with Portrait Photograhpy please
I am going to try :) need to look for models because shooting myself is hard lol. Hard to frame and get that distance :)
The xiaomi you are used Authentic mode.
will do a seperate video comparing Authenthic and Vibrant to see the difference. I prefer authenthic but seeing the colours being so far off I will see if it makes a difference.
I'm more in favour of the Xiaomi
Couse it's more natural
Vivi is more artificial upgraded.
Xiaomi is the clear winner here, but photographers can see this, not just smartphone users
I came back to my conclusion after editing this, i looked at it longer and well... I have to agree. THOUGH!!!! the colours I will stick with, and I think that had my focus too much. The Xiaomi 13 Pro white balance was off, and that sucks, because my city is warm, so more yellow then white/blue that Xiaomi did.
@@ThroughJermainesLensThank you, but I’ll repeat once again that I write as a photographer, and not as a simple smartphone user. It’s easier to edit color and tone in any editor if it’s a little blue, closer to white, rather than removing yellowness. You can also change the settings on the phone itself. I agree that a simple user wants to get a picture like he sees, yes. But for a person who deals with photographs and videos, clarity, details, shadows are much more important than a little blue or yellow; yellow is just more difficult to work with than blue. This is just my opinion based on many years of experience. Thank you for your answer, we all look at what is more interesting for us personally, common experience only allows us to look at this picture differently, different opinions, which is not unimportant.. Thank you for your reviews, thank you for your time
Oh but I am not talking about the editing side to be fair, I am talking about direct from camera. That is most of the time what I need to do when it comes to showcasing how they perform (though lately I have been shifting to editings shots as well, showing edited and unedited, because with editing I can of course do a good amount of work, but for a normal consumer they might just want to see more how it just performs without edits. @@valeriyavida
And I never know yellow was harder to work on then blue! I am new in editing, so good to know!!! (but it makes sense lol) Thank you :) @@valeriyavida Tips are ALWAYS welcome!
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The pics from Vivo look so unnatural compares to Xiaomi
X90P一點夜景感都沒有，就是亮而已啊...
Vivo just surpassed mi
vivo is oversaturated and overexposed it should be night scene but look like to much light coming in into vivo pict which is not realistic.. but as i can see this review more bias towards vivo
Wrong camera modes shot u using authentic 😆 other TH-cam videos the Xiaomi wins against this phone so really fun so many different outcomes
Your mic is sibilant
Xiaomi win
So to u brighter photos means better photos? This video is useless
Not at all, listen to what I said in the video, heck said it several times that the Vivo can be too bright. I am talking about colours being off on the Xiaomi where yellow is white on it, and where part of the building is hardly visible where to my eyes it was easily visible.
Vivo over process 😠
I personally think camera comparison should be left to photographers who are more experienced with photography, with that said I personally liked Xiaomi's photos despite their cool colour grading approach. The photos from Vivo looks way too HDR for my liking.
See pinned tweet, because you do not know how the scene looked
XIAOMI 13 PRO AN EXPENSIVE TRASH...
.... no, just no.
i don't know if its just me but i prefer xiaomis night mode
it looks more natural and reserves the night better that washing it out like vivo
I can agree with that till a degree, while I think the vivo is too bright, the Xiaomi is losing that warm tone in my city in this mode, so that needs work, and from time to time it is too dark (though as stated in the video in cases that also benefits the shot a lot to add characther to it :)