She’s a tragic character and her own worst enemy, genius enough to craft some long term convoluted schemes, but blind to her own bigotry and how her actions have caused her own tragedy. Love Demona’s story more than her!
@@brandr7964 I don't blame Demona in many ways. Humans did do her wrong. Absolutely. BUT there are many things she CAN be blamed for, too, as everyone else pointed out. In fact I used to BE her. (a misanthrope) due to severe bullying and abuse growing up. I hated people. But found so many GOOD people on the book of faces when I became an adult and got it, even got a boyfriend, learned not all people were out to get me and there are in fact good people in the world. But, I never UNALIVED anyone! Demona can and should get blamed for that. If she hadn't turned genocidal I'd have a lot more sympathy for her. So yes - Meagan aka Fangirl is right, she's a victim (started, I believe, by prince Malcolm who unintentionally, I feel, turned his daughter Catherine into a bigot with his boogyman stories "the gargoyles will get you if you don't behave" which started this whole thing and started all of the events that followed imo he hasn't gotten enough of the blame for this) and then dahdah dah what happens happens, but yeah. I'd be 100% sympathetic to Demona if she hadn't turned genocidal. Am I partly sympathetic? Of course. But only in part.
All I remember from her is that she suffered for centuries and she's the one that told the story of the curse of the castle to be lifted up to the sky. Hatred of humans because of how fear can turn them cowardly which led the destruction of her clan. And has a soft spot for Goliath but not enough to erase everything she had done.
Demona was always my favorite Gargoyles character and I find her to be both a tragic character and a hot one Also I’m glad someone is willing to defend her for once(any other such videos notwithstanding due to not knowing of them if such exists)
I always thought that the best way for Demona and Goliath to reconnect would be through their daughter Angela. They both have been seen finally making some kind of reconciliation when it comes to her.
@@TheFangirlWatches Demona, hmmm. As a person with a history major from university I do understand why she did not like humans, lol. We can be - and have been many times - a pretty horrible species. She lived through 1000 years of European history including Hitler Stalin, Franco, etc. I understand all of that her feelings. As for what started this course (feeling injustice that helped lead to her betraying the castle and every other event that followed I put the blame on Malcolm for most of it. I'd be happy to explain if you want.) However if I were Demona I'd just avoid humans not go all genocidal. A LOT of what she does make it harder to feel that bad for her. She even killed humans and tried to kill the whole species. I guess I prefer characters who were brainwashed and manipulated into serving a psychopath who kills but the brainwashed don't themselves kill and there is evidence they wish something different for their life.
I agree with most of what you said but she didn't completely trust the general. If she did she wouldn't have hidden behind the castle. Yes she suffered all those years but she made an eternal enemy of The Hunter by attacking a child out of spite for humans. I get why her fear that Macbeth would betray her after what she heard but she could have talked to him too. They showed how she creates her problems alot. And her daughter tried to reach out to her but she burned that bridge tricking her. She wanted a relationship with Demona but her old ways hurt her chances. I love her though. I do wish she had a happy ending. Its a sad life she has.
I believe that she still is responsible for her own choices, but this aspects with her trauma, rejection, hardship and the lack of understanding from Goliath makes Demona a very sympathetic and tragic villain.
2:40 ...Does that mean that Galioth is fighting his strong eternal-bond with Demona really really hard, because of their conflict, in order to be with Elisa? Man, such suffering 😭😭
All of this defending Demona.... ... still doesn't excuse the fact that she permanently scarred that farmboy's face in the first season. Her own worst enemy, and never took responsibility for the evil deeds SHE created!😂❤
She’s a tragic character and she has been through a lot. No doubt about that. That being said, she had lied to Goliath and the other Manhattan clan members. About the plan, how she survived for all of these years to even trying to change Goliaths mind. While I do believe she had the best of intentions, she has also tried to kill them many times over. She is in fact her own worse enemy. That being said, considering her past, I guess she was just doomed to be evil. Much like King Lear.
This is gonna be really long, so apologies in advance. Gargoyles is hands down my favorite show and Demona in my top ten villains, so I have a lot of thoughts. So what about those nice conversations and alliances that she threw away with Macbeth? Yeah she was burned, but he literally did nothing but support and thank her or rely on her for the safety of his own clan and she sold him out, helped to murder him, and got what was left of her clan destroyed by removing them from their allies. Then when he shows up for revenge in the present day, she's surprised, angry and hateful to him even though he did literally nothing to her beforehand. Before that, the Wyvern clan wasn't killed just because of humans or the Captain's failure or Goliath's good heart. She had the chance to warn the members left at the castle that they were in danger, to try and take them away to hide before dawn. But she chose not to, to hide alone, and to hide from what she did. She made no attempt to get the rookery eggs back from a princess, small boy, old lady, and mage she may have been on par with, and ran to the other half of the clan to blame the humans. She increased the gargoyle prejudice through ruthless and violent actions, even throwing around her own clan when they complained about their decreased quality of life, and was not at all open to talking. She was, and still is, very open to beating dissent out of her clan with her bare hands though. She resurrected Cold Stone and pitted him against Goliath with her internalized truth that it was his faith in humans that got him killed, rather than the fact that she backed out of warning him. She accidentally shot him while trying to kill Goliath and not only never apologized, but helped the more selfish soul take control of the body. That's not how you care for your people. Goliath sucked at it, but he did try to talk to her more than once, hoping he could reach her, but she is too stuck in her ways to be swayed. It's not helped by the fact that from the moment they reunited she was lying to and manipulating him. And yeah he redirected his feelings onto Elisa gradually, but that was also after she proved herself a trustworthy friend AND after Demona tried to wipe out the rest of the clan with the Steel Clan and a bazooka...at a time before the rest of them were even suspicious of her. Which has been a recurring thing with her, completely willing to take out the innocent for just being in the way. He also tried to go talk to her after she attempted to poison Elisa and failed, only for her to already be on the path of murdering him and forcing the clan to accept her as leader. And that was their first meeting after he thought she died during that previous fight. It would be a little hard to stay faithful to your bonded mate after that I think. And then her own daughter tried to bond during the arc that created the clones, presumably over the course of several weeks while she patiently held out in her cell and stole most of the clan's dna. Angela listened and responded, and Demona still betrayed the entire clan and her trust. In truth, we haven't most likely seen the extent of the damage that Demona's hatred has probably caused through the centuries. It helped ruin Macbeth and kept the Hunter's legacy alive, much to her annoyance, and it got her clan almost fully wiped out. But it's the humans' fault, always the humans. No matter who tries to talk to her. And as far as her wiping the humans off the face of the earth? The Hunter's Moon arc shows that she's been working on that plan at the very least for decades, so it wasn't Goliath that pushed her to it. She even mentions to Goliath that if she can wait centuries for her revenge then he can wait a few nights. Demona is an amazingly written character and it is easily understandable how she got to where she is, but she definitely is far from guiltless in the continuing misery and isolation she suffers, or to the negative way she impacts those around her. It isn't that no one has reached out, or that her mate has now turned his back on her, or that someone just need to sit and talk with her. As long as Demona's heart is hardened, she'll always be alone with her bitterness. Even Macbeth, who was living for revenge for almost as long as Demona has been, was able to finally begin to let it go even after she toyed with his feelings and played him in Paris. I think it's important to remember that because it's part of what makes fer an amazing character and villain.
Wow now that you put it like that I lost a bit of respect for Goliath. That's what I hate about chaotic good characters they are so blinded by the black and white concept that they don't see the grey there.
@@kittykittybangbang9367 It's character moral alignments from Dungeons and Dragons, if I understand correctly. The summary I read said that, basically, the first part (lawful vs. neutral vs. chaotic) is how willing they are to adhere to the law of the land and the second part (good vs. neutral vs. evil) is how willing they are to take life.
Demona started from a place of genuine concern for her people. And many of her issues stem from placing Gargoyles before all others. While that sounds good on paper, even before the 1000 years without Goliath, Demona wanted Gargoyles to be above humanity, to rule over them. That stems from most humans treating them like beasts, and I get that. It breeds resentment. The true issue between Demona and Goliath is that Goliath is patient enough to wait out the mistrust humans naturally have to these supernatural creatures, while Demona does not. Goliath is the kind of character that can take discrimination and let it roll off his back because he knows human nature, and how that nature can change, and Demona can't. Every single one of their issues comes back to that one point. Demona cannot suffer an indignity to her or her kind. Warranted or not. She is the protective nature of a gargoyle gone off the deep end. And that unwillingness to change, that refusal to see that humans by nature can change how they see and treat others, is why the rift between her and Goliath widens. Its why her mistrust of humans lasts a millennia, because she sees mistrust even when its not there. Even when forced to admit that SHE KNOWS what her issue is, the revelation bringing her to tears, as soon as she is able she shifts the blame back to humanity. Because she can barely stomach the thought of her own consequences. That is the main reason why Goliath and Demona never get to have that heart to heart. Why they never are able to mend what was broken. She cannot admit she did anything wrong. She cannot admit that her worldview, while generally applicable in the short term, is fundamentally flawed. You are absolutely right that Goliath brought issues of his own into it, and is not blameless. But he also didn't immediately replace Demona with Elisa. The reason he saves Elisa in Awakening after Demona's betrayal is because he is a protector, and she can't fly. He is devastated to loose Demona again in that moment. Even as wrathful as she was to humans. He was angry enough to try and kill Xanatos IMMEDIATELY. Its only because Elisa reminds him of his own morals that he doesn't. Demona is the product of Trauma stuck in a cycle that she doesn't actually want to break. It doesn't excuse her actions. But its all the more tragic that those actions are easily understandable.
Also just spit balling here but I've noticed that no creature in Disney ever trust's the humans. for example: Ariel and the other mermaids, Peter Pan and the other fairies also never trusted humans, and the gargoyles couldn't trust them either. I have A theory about this. perhaps the Disney universe is A world where humans are the creatures and the creatures are normal. I mean just think about how Disney always gives us the human perspective on how what they don't understand is strange. I just feel like the mythical creatures from mermaids to unicorns all have a common fear HUMANS I think it's because humans in general are just cruel by nature. And Disney is trying it's best to show that to children, and sneak in a little bit of the good side here and there
Think no further, dear friend, for there is no more evil of a monster than humans. This is not a joke, human beings can be absolutely horrible, even to the point of causing enormous destruction simply because of bordem.
You have a really good eye! It is an easy way to broach racial or class issues (or intolerance in general) in terms that younger people can understand and learn to empathize from.
Great video, great analysis. My problem with Demona has always been her lack of accountability. She refuses to accept responsibility for the role she played in what happened. Everything is the humans fault. She even tried to manipulate her own daughter into turning against Goliath and the clan. Until she can take a long hard look at herself and take responsibility, she’ll always be a villain.
Before I even watch this video I thought demona was right she did watch her whole clan get turned to stone almost permanently than she had to watch her back for the rest of her life until Macbeth was bound to her so yeah she's got a lot of miles.
Gargoyles was a favorite cartoon show of mine when I was a teen. It was my understanding that the clan of gargoyles she got involved with after the tragic events at Castle Wyvern was composed not of her own clan, but surviving members of other gargoyle clans in Scotland that were mostly wiped out by humans. I could be wrong about that though. One big aspect that I realized MANY years after the show concluded was that in the pilot that set up the show, Goliath never bothered to stick around and take care of the Gargoyles' eggs down in the rookery. The idea that he should stick around and take care of the next generation of eggs didn't even seem to occur to him. If he knew that another portion of his clan was alive in some cave away from the castle, you would think his first priority would be to contact them, explain what happened, and lead them back to the eggs, to take care of them with the others, but that's not what he did. He abandoned the next generation of eggs. Maybe he thought he wouldn't be able to take care of them all on his own, and it would be better for them to die through being unattended, I dunno. Whatever was going through his mind, if it was a gross over-sight on his part or intentional, it's a disturbing decision on his part. I don't remember the Princess offering to take the eggs with her, but she did, and Thank God for their sake, otherwise, the new-borns would have died with no one there to care for them. Of course, Demona abandoned the eggs as well, so, think about that. She didn't clone Htailog, Xanatos did that. Htailog and Demona merely... hooked-up, not that it lasted very long.
Basically in that moment Goliath was suicidal, he thought his wife & Clan were all dead. He never thought the spell would be broken he just wanted to go to sleep & not wake up
He didn't abandon the egg's to die he entrusted them to the princess and that shows that he was thinking of the egg's. He was right to entrust the princess with the eggs cause she took good care of them and when she thought she might not be able to keep them safe she was willing to give up her title in order to keep them safe
@@tigeresscrazy8085 I don't remember them saying anything about the eggs. Goliath wanted to know what she would do now that the threat had passed, and she told him that she would return with her people to her uncle and it was no longer safe for them there. Goliath wanted the arch mage to cast the spell one more time, on him. Maybe Goliath was suicidal in that situation, guilt-ridden over not being able to protect his clan, but I think he still abandoned the eggs.
The weird sisters don’t agree with your assessment of the women that tried the big G on humanity. She was the author of her own pain, this is true of most really good tragic villains. She was a strong character fell into a cycle of pain of her own making.
She made herelf the villain of her fate. Demona showed her younger past self the future of what will happen to her brothers and sisters and the fate of Goliath and the rest. Her ideas to destroy humanity is both insane and somewhat genocide. Also you can't denied what she was going to do if her virus would've killed Macbeth; she would've died but her vengeance clouded her logic to remember that, not only that she even tried to steal Angela from Goliath to be a gargoyle to be a ruler without humans, but Angela would never loved it or her mother since Katerin took the eggs under Goliath request since raising 36 eggs would be hard for him since never can tell when a new enemy would come and try to raid the fallen castle Wyvern
If it’s canonical fact gargoyles mate for life, then Goliath clearly wasn’t playing them both like that. In fact, romantic feelings don’t really present between the two until late season two after the boat journeys. She also planned the downfall of humanity before he was awoken too. In fact, their being awoken WAS part of her extermination plan. She only woke them up for their help in her revenge so it’s not a result of Goliath meeting Eliza. She only really hates her not as a romantic rival but as simply an enemy who convinced her love to not believe in her views. He loves demona still for many years giving many chances before any form of love love was shown towards Eliza. Other than the whole anti Goliath view of this video, I still completely agree that she was much justified in her views after 1000s yrs of trauma.
Ehh all Goliath wanted was demona to respect human life. She refused. And he gave her several chances to come around. She had a hard life but could have everything she wanted if she gave up her 1000 year long revenge against an entire race for something that happened 1000 years ago
Ok I hear what you're saying but the humans are still responsible for what happened Demona and her clan she can't just give it up the humans need to be held accountable.
You think she was able to change after that long a period hating humans? "I've been living in the shadows, alone, hunted, hated, for over a thousand years, and you want me to just give up my hatred of them that's been building for all that time in a moment? Ok, yeah, sure, why not? How hard can it be?"
@@peterdanior4538no it's cause 1000 years later she Demona was still angry alone resenting humans using her hate anger to survive and save the gargoyles when that dumbass Goliath who blindly side with them for ignorance how can he just do after everything they did after humanity most if not all of them murdered and enslaved the gargoyles and everyone one else it's disgusting I can't stand it Demona was right to defend herself perhaps she didn't go about everything the right way however she wasn't wrong I know cause I've survived much like her cause of everyone else's bull I struggled to survive except I did no thanks to humans and their shit I did and Demona that name they chose who she was earlier than she did just saying
No es algo que pasó hace mil años incluso cuando ella quiso volver a reintegrarse en la sociedad humana actual pudo ver los abusos que habían entre humanos y asesinatos, las injusticias y todo, obviamente va estar rota si durante mil años solo vio las cosas horribles en las que son capaces de hacer, la moral de Goliath no sé oscureció porque tenía a sus amigos y a alguien quien amaba pero Demona estaba totalmente sola, siendo manipulada y traicionada sin tranquilidad, sin nadie. Aparte considera que los otros huevos posiblemente fueron destruidos por humanos
I guess Goliath was pretty stupid and blind-dumb guilty about how he actually deal with Demona when he met her again, still she kinda was so much mess-up that it was pretty much OK he choose over Eliza Maza and so her common biological daughter, Angela, also was fond of that. (She was raised up by humans doing the best for undoing the mistakes in the past, and well... they did great on the hatchlings indeed at Avalon.) It may be true that Goliath pretty much messed up stuff when meeting back Demona, however she was very messed on herself by all the negative experiences she got, which kinda were a reflection on her own harsher agressive way of acting to everyone, not just humans (though particulary more on them, with justified views kinda indeed but also very mistakenly over-generalized), so that negative feedback just went on her going over and over time messing her untill the issue with Goliath made her burst out in full-rage. However THEN came the issue with her daughter, Angela, and there WAS NO POSSIBLE redeeming issue on what she attempted to her, just because of her father deeds. Demona has a very sad story with a lot of justification but still NOT ENOUGH to discount her totally as a villainess on her own. It´s sad but true - there is no way to properly defend her to make her not accountable on her deeds. That´s a very cheap and naive psychollogy view that has no account on morals actually on actions, not arguments or ideologies.
Also, Goliath may have some flaws some of them may seem questionable but, he still has a strong enough sense of justice and morality and remains a remarkable leader of his clan to where he could be rightfully called a hero.
It might be worth noting that Goliath is A) Very old fashioned, roughly 1000 years behind the times B)He is in the Gargoyle equivalent of his early 20's making him relatively immature But, you're totally right, things might have been different if he had been willing to understand Demona's position
made it to the end! i don't have anything to add that others haven't already said, but demona was always my favorite, and i wanted a better outcome for her, which sadly i don't think we'll ever get :( i hope weisman is allowed to pick it back up one day, but i don't know if the mouse will let that happen
Demona: Goliath, I spent centuries alone. My clan was destroyed twice. Macbeth: Spent centuries alone ... It's your fault. Demona: I - Macbeth: You betrayed Goliath. You got two clans destroyed. YOUR PLAN DESTROYED MY KINGDOM AND NEARLY THE HUMAN RACE. WHAT ABOUT YOU! IT'S BEEN ALL ABOUT YOU! Demona with tears in her eyes and rage in Macbeth's eyes start to charge Goliath: Enough
Before I watch the video, I just want to say. She is so annoying. I love her, she deserves to be happy, but at every turn she throws her chances away with both hands. It's so frustrating. 😖
I agree that he should have tried a little harder to talk to her, but I'm not sure some gentle talking could have undone a thousand years of mental anguish. Goliath was in a pretty awful situation too, he might have gotten to skip all of those years but imagine you wake up after a thousand years with everything you ever known and loved gone, but then like a miracle you find out that the love of your life was still alive. I can't even imagine how much that would have hurt to see how much the centuries had twisted her. This whole thing between the two of them was a tragedy.
I can swear her nest was destroyed as well. And Demona at the time thought she lost her egg. Losing your mate, babies and clan in one night would have ruined her
demona always blames others for her problems and she never takes responsibility for her own actions she had a chance to restart in the 21st century with her true love and what does she do she betrays him and what does she do she betrays him
Demona's defense lawyers here: What is Demona supposed to take responsibility for in the Dark Ages? That she was groomed by an old man into learning magic? Or that she wanted what was best for her people, after herself being burned and tormented by humans over and over again, and was then tricked by, again, when she trusted humans? Then Demona went on lead what was left of her clan in the caves, an effort she did tirelessly for decades, and she got entangled with MacBeth's drama and continued from there. Demona made the best decisions possible, first as a naive girl who was manipulated, and then as an experienced woman who learned to trust no one. Demona does not betray Goliath until he shuts her out, never really asks a question, and never tries to hear her side of things. Goliath was already into Elisa Maza at that point to - so who really betrayed who first? You can only poke a bear so many times before it will maul you.
@@TheFangirlWatches you say that Demona was “tricked by humans she trusted”. When did that happen? It wasn’t when she betrayed her clan & castle to the Vikings. She explicitly stated that she didn’t trust the Captain, that’s why she hid, all by herself, and let her family get killed. And Goliath didn’t develop feelings for Demona until long after he found out that she was responsible for the Clans massacre. So yes Demona betrayed Goliath first
@ the fangirl if she really wanted what was best for her clan when Goliath wouldn't take the whole clan to go after the vikings she would have warned him about the captain of the guards plan. I understand her hating humans but not killing them. You can hate someone without killing them
Honestly I completely agree with you there just needed to be some more honest and through conversations between them and I think neither of them would ever budge, and she just kept digging her heels in deeper
Good analysis video! Demona is on my list for 5 bad asses in the 90s. I gotta offer a counter analysis though. Not trying to correct you or anything, just food for thought. Goliath imo is why Demonas motivation for why does what she does, but Goliath is not solely the problem. Demona lived a thousand years of hardship, true. But we see much that was her own fault. Goliath may sympathize with her if she told him, but without the explanation he believes her own prejudice we saw before the Vikings has simply gotten the better of her. That's not what made him turn his back on her though. It was the words she spoke with a rocket launcher in hand. "If you are not my ally then you are my enemy." She's tried to kill him numerous times. That puts a damper on any relationship. And not once did Goliath try to kill her. But that ultimatum she made in that scene is hard to forget. She thinks he doesn't know the pain of betrayal, he sure felt it there. And he STILL loved her enough when he thought she died again he doesn't just roar in agony he turned around and almost killed Xanatos. "She wanted me to destroy humanity, I think I'll start with you!" And it took a lot for Eliza to talk him out of it. He became attracted to Eliza ironically because she reminds Goliath of Demonas qualities. She's strong and committed. And when Goliath and the clan were reawakened they vowed to never trust humans again. But Eliza showed him it was alright to trust again. She never betrayed him and protected him as much as he protected her.
@@TheFangirlWatches Except she is largely at fault for creating her own trauma. The Clan? Partly her fault. Macbeth? Almost exclusively her fault. The Hunters? Her fault. The falling out with Goliath, Angela, the others? Her fault. There's no slack to be cut. She created her own misery. Have you actually watched the show? Because I don't know how you came to some of these conclusions if you did.
Gargoyles is still my favorite cartoon from the 90's! I do love Demona and part of me wishes that she could have been brought round, even having a better relationship with her daughter Angela. But, Angela (who is my best girl) is so like her father and she also has such loyalty to humans as Catherine, Tom and the Magus raised her and her brothers and sisters. Honestly, writing like what was in Gargoyles is all but gone today!
Demona was always one of my favourite characters on Gargoyles. Not because just because she was voiced by Deanna Troi herself, Marina Sirtis, but because she was a compelling character. Yes, she made mistakes and didn't take responsibility for those mistakes, but how often in real life do we do that? How often do we make a decision that ends up having disasterous consequences for us, and then we refuse to acknowledge that decision? I also agree with you about Goliath though. He was the guy who was set in his own ways. How many times did the rest of the clan have to stand up to him and say, "this is wrong Goliath"? Like when it came to leaving the castle because they were no longer safe there once Xanatos got out of prison. Even Hudson knew it was time to leave, but Goliath refused until Macbeth attacked them at the castle, in hopes of drawing Demona out into the open.
Loved, loved, loved this breakdown! I always felt sorry for Demona because she was just betrayed throughout her whole life, and that really scars a person. City of Stone, when she revealed the password, just broke my heart. It showed the core of her pain. And still Goliath didn't get it or understand it as you've deftly broken down. I remember reading an article years ago where the writer said that if the show continued on, Demona was eventually going to come back and have her redemption, part of that because of Angela. That always left me wondering where that would leave Elisa because as you said, Demona and Goliath are mated for life.
Thank you! I get so tired of guys telling me that *I* don't understand the show or the characters when Demona is completely understandable, and not evil, if you just take a minute to walk a mile in her shoes. I mean, the best villains believe in their cause, and what better motivator than pain? All the nay-says are just like Goliath refusing to relate because they think the world is black and white. 😂
It’s sadder since Goliath comes back to the castle after it’s been ransacked and picks up the pieces of stone he says my angel of the night which is what he calls demona
Long post: Haven't watched this show in ages, details are quite fuzzy. However what isn't is Demona and her general characterization: which is very memorable. From an artistic stand point Demona's arc puts the show in a tight spot because the topic of trauma, life, death, killing, cannot be explored in a nuanced, meaningful fashion because it's a Disney kids show. They can't explore that trauma can be long term doesn't just disappear over night because one wants it too: it's a process which lengths wildly depends on the nature of the trauma. On top of which, since trauma doesn't operate in isolation, from a narrative stand point the show can't risk doing anything that fundamentally places Goliaths character in negative light, even when his actions do play a negative role. In regards to the nature of killing people, the show can't in anyway abide it. Instead of a "it's an emergency, last resort, to be treated with the gravity it deserves" and exploring the consequences of the context it happens in, the show has to take a absolute wrong approach instead for the censors and sponsors. Demona is a wonderful character, with the the most engaging character, however she also suffers from the same narrative problems that a reoccurring villians(like Callisto from Xena) tend to encounter: diminishing significance returns. Demona becomes less meaningful a tragic figure if she keeps showing back up like the Joker or Magneto. The viewer can be numb to the emotional weight the character is supposed to have. That's part of why I don't rewatch the series; she's my favorite character, the most interesting, and(if memory serves correctly) she gets flatter as the series goes on, so interest waned. On top which the romance angle between Goliath and eliza did nothing for me. Regardless of all that great video exploring a great character in a cool series! Interesting insight, and perspective given!
Goliath was not a help at all times but victimhood ceases when aggression begins. Intellectualized aggression at that. When people that are hurt begin to hurt others, they are just a criminal with a tragic origin. Like Magneto and Wanda as depicted in the MCU.
I never thought that. Not after "City of Stone I - IV" She is a tragic villain in the same vein as Darth Vader. She thinks she is in the right, even knowing what she is doing is wrong. Her treatment by humans made her hate them. Her plan within the castle with the Captain, the only one she could trust.....just went wrong. And it set into motion everything else. But she is also in the blame, same as Vader. Luckily, in the comics, she has come back "To the light" so to speak. So there is that.
Gargoyles was my favorite tv show growing up. My favorite characters were all of the surviving clan members except Goliath when I was a little kid. As a kid i viewed goliath as way too insensitive and pushy. As a teen I thought the guy was a butt hole with the way he treated others into only following his view on things. For a show that had diversity and a more open minded approach to its overall story, the main character turned out to be a very closed minded individual unwilling to adapt to things unless it suited them in some way. Even the oldest of the clan was more into the changed modern world than Goliath was and most elders are stubborn and set in their ways to go that far. Some of the other characters weren't bad but they had their flaws. Ultimately I loved Bronx the most followed by Lexington the nerd of the group.
@@Ares99999 it took others to convince Goliath to see a lot of things at a different angle than his usual way of thinking. He is very knowledgeable in his own way and what not but that knowledge didn't always work out for him in the long run. I am not saying he is a bad leader either, he was a very good one. All the characters had their flaws. His just stuck out to me the most as a kid because he was the main character in the series.
The main reason why Demona didn’t try the schemes she did during the show was because she didn’t have access to the Magus’s spellbook. Through Xanatos she gained the means to wipe out humanity, & her first attempt (using Puck) happened before Goliath & Elisa were together. Also, why do you leave out the fact that Demona shot a bazooka at Goliath just because he wouldn’t side with her on her genocidal plans.
@@tigeresscrazy8085 absolutely. I understand that people can feel sorry for her, however she is a monster that does horrible things of her own free will
You did an amazing job defending your point of veiw but I disagree with it. Yes she has suffered but that doesn't give her the right to try to kill humans every chance she gets. If she was human she would be called a raciest. I think you forget the she knew about the captain of the guards plan and did nothing to stop it.
Hey, you are totally allowed to disagree. But, don't forget that Demona knew about the plan to destroy all the humans at Castle Wyvern - they were supposed to leave the gargoyles alone, so she got heavily betrayed over and over again until she adopted her bad attitude about humanity.
@@TheFangirlWatches are you forgetting that she never trusted that the Gargoyles would be protected, so that’s why she hid & left her Clan to get massacred, making her a traitor.
@ The Fangirl I understand her hate but you can hate and not try to kill what you hate every chance you get. I could forgive her hate but not her wanting to kill. I agree with her that as a hole humans are horrible but again that's no reason to kill
I know some might hate me for this, but Goliath has trouble with grays. Everything is either good or evil, black or white. And Demona is almost nothing but grays.
Goliath also was the one who demanded his clan stay behind and protect the humans that were basically bullying them. That's the only time I really see him kinda in the wrong. One thing though, Demona's plan to extermination the human race was in preparation for 500 years. She needed the praying gargoyle, the Fulfillment spell and the virus thingy. She spent 500 years planning that whole thing and I feel pretty certain that had Goliath never woken up, she would have still gone through with the plan. I agree with the majority of this video, but also take into consideration Macbath almost betrayed Demona (or at least gave it consideration), and that hunter dude.. .yeah that was the most extreme overreaction to anything ever. Who would hunt a creature for 1000 years cause one of them scratched your face? What is that? I would totally take Demona in and try to help her, but I'm just a filthy human so I'm sure she wouldn't want me to lol
The original Hunter only hunted her for about 40 years. After that it became a generational thing with the main reasoning being that Demona killed the previous Hunter so their child tries to kill Demona so on and so on
I’m glad someone points out that Goliath is a driving force in why Demona ends up going to the extremes she does. If he had found Demona before Elisa came into the picture the series would’ve gone very differently
I think so too. Demona gets such a bad rap for what she ends up doing, but there is a lot of Reactionary Abuse going on there (where the person freaking out has been pushed beyond a psychological breaking point by someone manipulating them). Was everything Demona did right? No! Was she judged by the only person she ever loved, without EVER being heard out? YES! Love doesn't always make you feel stupid and happy, a lot of times if burns and drives you to revenge, lol.
@@TheFangirlWatches Exactly. I don’t think Goliath is consciously TRYING to do some of the harm he does. I do think he’s a good hearted gargoyle. But it’s really easy to stay on the right side of the moral compass when you don’t have a thousand years of experience in seeing that the honor code Goliath preaches doesn’t hold up in a lot of instances with humanity.
@@SilverBlade76 part of that honor code was “don’t betray the people that protect us while we sleep”. And she broke this code because a mean girl wasn’t nice to her. And in doing so got everyone murdered, how is Demona the victim here?
I don't think so cause I really don't think he could ever love someone who wants to kill humans and is willing to betray and kill her former clan if things don't go her way
As someone who was born so different to the ideals of society (as a disable person and slight disfigurement), I can so relate to Demonas' story and how she tried to be good, but it kept back firing at her because she is a Gargoyle and humans can't understand her, even though she tried to understand them. She tired to befriend humans... there were episodes where she did saved that detective lady, so it wasn't as if Demona was all villain. She was definite one of Disneys' most complex princesses. 😎👍
"She is a gargoyle and humans can't understand her." - Comes off as weird when you realize that Goliath and Co. have met several humans who understood them. "She tried to befriend humans." When?! Aside from Macbeth, who she blindly betrayed over ONE sentence after SEVENTEEN years of friendship, when did she actually, honestly, attempt to befriend humans? I want the episode so I can watch it. "There were episode where she did save that detective lady." When?! Demona hated Elisa, would have killed her way before she'd save her. Again, what episode was this done in?
Demona is genuinely one of my favorite characters of all time. I sympathize and even empathize with their struggles and anger as a black man in a white world I get it .
@@TheFangirlWatches True, Demona has so much nuance she like a fallen angel allegory. Goliath named her angel of the night then Macbeth named her Demona after there alliance and defeat of the hunter.
I will say this about Demona... She had to suffer loss alone. Sure she sold out home to the Vikings...only to feel betrayal. Her home, family and even children/ next of kin were considered destroyed. She endured her losses and instead of realizing she caused most of it...she sees what the humans have done. I do sympathize with her greatly, and feel for her. I just wish she could open herself up more but because of how deep her pain was..it could never be.
I think Demona's biggest issue is that she made moves that she thought would benefit her people, and the backlash to her actions were outrageously disproportionate. So, I can follow her logic and see where Demona essentially brought a spoon to a sword fight, and the more she got burned, the more she tried to do her own thing, and the worse and worse her bubbled off world became. But Demona really doesn't snap all the way until Goliath comes back to life and starts rejecting her, so, yeah, theoretically, Demona is one good man's love away from being saved and converted to the good side.
Demona was trained by a villian , hated humans to the point of killing the clan. Gargoyles protect there terrority and all within. She forgot that and thus lost all of herself and actual purpose, she became worst than the humans she hated. Gargoyles don't do therapy , they protect, gargoyles are their own masters. The hunters existed because demona hatred , she tried to be human sadly was a bad human.
She definitely impacts her own fate, but a lot of it comes from being mistreated for her desire to do more and be better. So it turns into an issue where how Demona acts and how she’s treated makes it all snowball.
@@TheFangirlWatches yes she doesn’t something horrible, gets treated badly for doing something horrible, so she does more horrible stuff. It’s not like she can be expected to learn from her past
Nobody can force you to agree, but Demona is an extraordinarily well-written character for a "boys cartoon" in the 90s. She is deep and complex, and her motivations are there, if you take it in from the female perspective. But, I have noticed that most males want to see the show in this black and white sense of justice, as Goliath does, and thereby can't really relate to Demona or her motives.
I think Demona is so undervalued as a character and as an anti-villain. But, she's the "bad" female in a male-dominated series, so the public at large doesn't seem to understand her nuanced details.
Ouch. So much of what's being said is taken out of context to make Demona look better than she really was. At some points, it was so skewed I frankly wonder if the show was seriously watched. The Captain did NOT kill the Gargoyles - Hakon and the Vikings did, and more for pragmatic reasons than anything else. The Magus did curse the Clan - in a moment of misplaces grief that he then regretted the rest of his life, to the point of raising the Gargoyle children along with two others. And Macbeth did not use Demona - the pact was made by both , with Demona regaining her youth at the cost of Macbeth's own, and living for decades in peace until a moment of paranoia caused her to ruin everything. Honestly, at some point I stopped, because it's so skewed, not pointing out the huge part Demona played in her own misery. THAT is the tragedy of the character: that her own choices and her own inability to own up to her own mistakes is why she has lost so much.
Exactly, the fact is that nobody ever betrayed Demona. She betrayed the castle to the Vikings, she betrayed MacBeth to Canmore. She never trusted the Captain, that’s why she hid. And MacBeth was legitimately her friend. As much as Elisa was to Goliath in the beginning. And she is constantly blaming Goliath for not “trying to understand” Demona’s anger. Like if you found out your work fe was secretly a serial killer, it’s your fault if you don’t don’t stick by her side
4:36 you mean things like shooting him with a bazooka, mind controlling him, poisoning & hunting him in a graveyard, & bringing his brother back from the dead as a zombie cyborg so he can kill Goliath? Yeah poor Demona
Nice video by the way could you do a jimmy neutron revival discussion like will jimmy neutron ever come back so that its planned season 4 finally gets made and thus the series finally gets a real ending
Demona was right on every point the made. Humans are evil, they do deserve to all die. The issue is, is it then right for demona as an individual to destroy them? Its like the reverse situation of Goblin Slayer. From Demonas perspective, shes the Goblin Slayer, and the goblin is humans. Just because there might be a single good human out there, does that mean i allow these ones to live on the off chance they dont end up being evil ones?
I agree that, from Demona's perspective, she is 100% right and justified in her way of thinking. The thing is though, Gargoyles don't have religion, so Demona has no one to pray to for help or guidance to smite the humans. However, she is a magic user, she's worked hard to learn how to defend herself and her people, and, of course she's going to take action into her own talons when there's no one else to turn to for help. And, let's also point out that Demona doesn't really have any self-fullfilled prophecies where she makes her own villains - MacBeth and Demona entered into an agreement willingly and things went badly, but I don't see that as being her fault. I also don't hold the Castle Wyvern attack as her fault - it would have happened either way, she just got blessed with the information, even though she was nearly helpless to save the rest of her clan. So, when bad things happen to you without proper lead up to have that bad thing feel "earned," of course you're going to turn cold and mean to those who wronged you! I don't understand why so many people hold that against Demona! Like... flap a mile in her wings and see what life is like!
@@gurun8071 without religion or some concept of cosmic justice/karma, it means if you want change in the world, someone will have to practically do something about it. It makes sense, but I'm not sure how much the writers thought about that with the show and demona's motivations.
Say what you want, but wanting a species genocide like Demona did is never a good thing. Yes she has a lot a trauma and issues that doesn't make her views right.
That being said I think the main group could have tried harder to reason with her. To try and calm her down or at least cone to a compromise they could agree on.
It's amazing how women spout nonsense to excuse their bad behavior and poor choices. Demona betrayed her clan and chose not to warn them, the man she trusted did try to protect the gargoyles, but he was just one guy. That was all her fault. It was also her fault for assuming the worse of Macbeth and believing he was going to betray her when he wasn't. It isn't Goliath's fault because he isn't forcing Demona to do anything, she is choosing to be evil if she stopped, Goliath would take her back, but like most women she's too prideful to admit she's wrong and except fault. This woman is a perfect example of how childlike the average woman is, they deflect blame for everything they choose to do on other people. Their refusal to except responsibility and grow from their mistakes is the height of immaturity. Shame on this woman for this poor take on a great show. Stop blaming men for your poor choices.
@@JonathanGhost42 I'm not being against women. You have to face the fact that most people days have been spoiled by the comforts of society. Women mostly thanks to feminism as it has demonized men and made women think that men are against them and they need to compete. When you think about nature and that women are weaker and have always needed men to provide for them that can create a childlike mentality in women where they see men in general as their dad, and since they're spoiled they blame daddy for everything. Does pointing out someone's faults so they can improve make you against them? Or you could look at it that since men can overpower women, the only reason any woman can do anything is because all men are allowing them to. So of course every mistake a women makes is men's fault for allowing them to do it.
Goliath was the real villain also idiot his human lover is a disrespect to the code he is the real villain not her he was only into the human girl to just control her as an object manipulating her then wants to force her to bring offspring with horrible intentions to create the nephilim wants only a son naming after him what made him that way!? My theory he was under a spell of Macbeth mind control spell making him go mad only works on the weak minded what he's going through brings a break up to the gargoyles team splitting up permanently even towards demona the last episode as the the TH-cam movie critic says it might of been all a dream all in his head the whole time demona left him for blowing it in his dream of becoming so naive it split up the gargoyles team also he was alone in a misty place on a boat old raft boat talking to I think a wizard as if he's in exile punishment for his betrayal explains why the other gargoyles show its just him alone and miserable with new characters he meets also new story Goliath you ended the show you blew it bye!
And Macbeth actually treated Demona as a friend and trusted advisor for 17 years. All to be betrayed over one sentence meant to teach his son not to make reckless decisions.
She’s a tragic character and her own worst enemy, genius enough to craft some long term convoluted schemes, but blind to her own bigotry and how her actions have caused her own tragedy. Love Demona’s story more than her!
Couldn’t agree more.
The time travel episode just makes my heart break for her 😭
She open up to those around her and they did her wrong you can't blame her
@@brandr7964 I don't blame Demona in many ways. Humans did do her wrong. Absolutely. BUT there are many things she CAN be blamed for, too, as everyone else pointed out. In fact I used to BE her. (a misanthrope) due to severe bullying and abuse growing up. I hated people. But found so many GOOD people on the book of faces when I became an adult and got it, even got a boyfriend, learned not all people were out to get me and there are in fact good people in the world. But, I never UNALIVED anyone! Demona can and should get blamed for that. If she hadn't turned genocidal I'd have a lot more sympathy for her. So yes - Meagan aka Fangirl is right, she's a victim (started, I believe, by prince Malcolm who unintentionally, I feel, turned his daughter Catherine into a bigot with his boogyman stories "the gargoyles will get you if you don't behave" which started this whole thing and started all of the events that followed imo he hasn't gotten enough of the blame for this) and then dahdah dah what happens happens, but yeah. I'd be 100% sympathetic to Demona if she hadn't turned genocidal. Am I partly sympathetic? Of course. But only in part.
@@Crasher1982 same
All I remember from her is that she suffered for centuries and she's the one that told the story of the curse of the castle to be lifted up to the sky. Hatred of humans because of how fear can turn them cowardly which led the destruction of her clan. And has a soft spot for Goliath but not enough to erase everything she had done.
Demona was always my favorite Gargoyles character and I find her to be both a tragic character and a hot one
Also I’m glad someone is willing to defend her for once(any other such videos notwithstanding due to not knowing of them if such exists)
I always thought that the best way for Demona and Goliath to reconnect would be through their daughter Angela. They both have been seen finally making some kind of reconciliation when it comes to her.
And it makes it sadder when Demona uses Angela as fuel for her crusade instead of learning to be a better person.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 Yeah If anything Angela's story (and Eliza Maza of course) should have showed her that some humans would accept gargoyles.
I agree and I love the episodes that shows her backstory
They are really good episodes!
@@TheFangirlWatches Demona, hmmm. As a person with a history major from university I do understand why she did not like humans, lol. We can be - and have been many times - a pretty horrible species. She lived through 1000 years of European history including Hitler Stalin, Franco, etc. I understand all of that her feelings. As for what started this course (feeling injustice that helped lead to her betraying the castle and every other event that followed I put the blame on Malcolm for most of it. I'd be happy to explain if you want.) However if I were Demona I'd just avoid humans not go all genocidal. A LOT of what she does make it harder to feel that bad for her. She even killed humans and tried to kill the whole species. I guess I prefer characters who were brainwashed and manipulated into serving a psychopath who kills but the brainwashed don't themselves kill and there is evidence they wish something different for their life.
I agree with most of what you said but she didn't completely trust the general. If she did she wouldn't have hidden behind the castle. Yes she suffered all those years but she made an eternal enemy of The Hunter by attacking a child out of spite for humans. I get why her fear that Macbeth would betray her after what she heard but she could have talked to him too. They showed how she creates her problems alot. And her daughter tried to reach out to her but she burned that bridge tricking her. She wanted a relationship with Demona but her old ways hurt her chances. I love her though. I do wish she had a happy ending. Its a sad life she has.
Oh gargoyles such a wonderful show
I WILL LIVE AGAIN
I believe that she still is responsible for her own choices, but this aspects with her trauma, rejection, hardship and the lack of understanding from Goliath makes Demona a very sympathetic and tragic villain.
2:40 ...Does that mean that Galioth is fighting his strong eternal-bond with Demona really really hard, because of their conflict, in order to be with Elisa? Man, such suffering 😭😭
All of this defending Demona....
... still doesn't excuse the fact that she permanently scarred that farmboy's face in the first season. Her own worst enemy, and never took responsibility for the evil deeds SHE created!😂❤
She’s a tragic character and she has been through a lot. No doubt about that. That being said, she had lied to Goliath and the other Manhattan clan members. About the plan, how she survived for all of these years to even trying to change Goliaths mind. While I do believe she had the best of intentions, she has also tried to kill them many times over. She is in fact her own worse enemy. That being said, considering her past, I guess she was just doomed to be evil. Much like King Lear.
This is gonna be really long, so apologies in advance. Gargoyles is hands down my favorite show and Demona in my top ten villains, so I have a lot of thoughts.
So what about those nice conversations and alliances that she threw away with Macbeth? Yeah she was burned, but he literally did nothing but support and thank her or rely on her for the safety of his own clan and she sold him out, helped to murder him, and got what was left of her clan destroyed by removing them from their allies. Then when he shows up for revenge in the present day, she's surprised, angry and hateful to him even though he did literally nothing to her beforehand.
Before that, the Wyvern clan wasn't killed just because of humans or the Captain's failure or Goliath's good heart. She had the chance to warn the members left at the castle that they were in danger, to try and take them away to hide before dawn. But she chose not to, to hide alone, and to hide from what she did. She made no attempt to get the rookery eggs back from a princess, small boy, old lady, and mage she may have been on par with, and ran to the other half of the clan to blame the humans. She increased the gargoyle prejudice through ruthless and violent actions, even throwing around her own clan when they complained about their decreased quality of life, and was not at all open to talking. She was, and still is, very open to beating dissent out of her clan with her bare hands though.
She resurrected Cold Stone and pitted him against Goliath with her internalized truth that it was his faith in humans that got him killed, rather than the fact that she backed out of warning him. She accidentally shot him while trying to kill Goliath and not only never apologized, but helped the more selfish soul take control of the body. That's not how you care for your people.
Goliath sucked at it, but he did try to talk to her more than once, hoping he could reach her, but she is too stuck in her ways to be swayed. It's not helped by the fact that from the moment they reunited she was lying to and manipulating him. And yeah he redirected his feelings onto Elisa gradually, but that was also after she proved herself a trustworthy friend AND after Demona tried to wipe out the rest of the clan with the Steel Clan and a bazooka...at a time before the rest of them were even suspicious of her. Which has been a recurring thing with her, completely willing to take out the innocent for just being in the way. He also tried to go talk to her after she attempted to poison Elisa and failed, only for her to already be on the path of murdering him and forcing the clan to accept her as leader. And that was their first meeting after he thought she died during that previous fight. It would be a little hard to stay faithful to your bonded mate after that I think.
And then her own daughter tried to bond during the arc that created the clones, presumably over the course of several weeks while she patiently held out in her cell and stole most of the clan's dna. Angela listened and responded, and Demona still betrayed the entire clan and her trust.
In truth, we haven't most likely seen the extent of the damage that Demona's hatred has probably caused through the centuries. It helped ruin Macbeth and kept the Hunter's legacy alive, much to her annoyance, and it got her clan almost fully wiped out. But it's the humans' fault, always the humans. No matter who tries to talk to her. And as far as her wiping the humans off the face of the earth? The Hunter's Moon arc shows that she's been working on that plan at the very least for decades, so it wasn't Goliath that pushed her to it. She even mentions to Goliath that if she can wait centuries for her revenge then he can wait a few nights.
Demona is an amazingly written character and it is easily understandable how she got to where she is, but she definitely is far from guiltless in the continuing misery and isolation she suffers, or to the negative way she impacts those around her. It isn't that no one has reached out, or that her mate has now turned his back on her, or that someone just need to sit and talk with her. As long as Demona's heart is hardened, she'll always be alone with her bitterness. Even Macbeth, who was living for revenge for almost as long as Demona has been, was able to finally begin to let it go even after she toyed with his feelings and played him in Paris. I think it's important to remember that because it's part of what makes fer an amazing character and villain.
Wow now that you put it like that I lost a bit of respect for Goliath. That's what I hate about chaotic good characters they are so blinded by the black and white concept that they don't see the grey there.
Where does all these "chaotic good" and stuff come from? And what does it mean?
@@kittykittybangbang9367 It's character moral alignments from Dungeons and Dragons, if I understand correctly. The summary I read said that, basically, the first part (lawful vs. neutral vs. chaotic) is how willing they are to adhere to the law of the land and the second part (good vs. neutral vs. evil) is how willing they are to take life.
@@mikaelahobart8237 do you know where I can read more about it
Demona started from a place of genuine concern for her people. And many of her issues stem from placing Gargoyles before all others. While that sounds good on paper, even before the 1000 years without Goliath, Demona wanted Gargoyles to be above humanity, to rule over them. That stems from most humans treating them like beasts, and I get that. It breeds resentment. The true issue between Demona and Goliath is that Goliath is patient enough to wait out the mistrust humans naturally have to these supernatural creatures, while Demona does not. Goliath is the kind of character that can take discrimination and let it roll off his back because he knows human nature, and how that nature can change, and Demona can't. Every single one of their issues comes back to that one point. Demona cannot suffer an indignity to her or her kind. Warranted or not. She is the protective nature of a gargoyle gone off the deep end. And that unwillingness to change, that refusal to see that humans by nature can change how they see and treat others, is why the rift between her and Goliath widens. Its why her mistrust of humans lasts a millennia, because she sees mistrust even when its not there. Even when forced to admit that SHE KNOWS what her issue is, the revelation bringing her to tears, as soon as she is able she shifts the blame back to humanity. Because she can barely stomach the thought of her own consequences. That is the main reason why Goliath and Demona never get to have that heart to heart. Why they never are able to mend what was broken. She cannot admit she did anything wrong. She cannot admit that her worldview, while generally applicable in the short term, is fundamentally flawed.
You are absolutely right that Goliath brought issues of his own into it, and is not blameless. But he also didn't immediately replace Demona with Elisa. The reason he saves Elisa in Awakening after Demona's betrayal is because he is a protector, and she can't fly. He is devastated to loose Demona again in that moment. Even as wrathful as she was to humans. He was angry enough to try and kill Xanatos IMMEDIATELY. Its only because Elisa reminds him of his own morals that he doesn't. Demona is the product of Trauma stuck in a cycle that she doesn't actually want to break. It doesn't excuse her actions. But its all the more tragic that those actions are easily understandable.
Also just spit balling here but I've noticed that no creature in Disney ever trust's the humans. for example: Ariel and the other mermaids, Peter Pan and the other fairies also never trusted humans, and the gargoyles couldn't trust them either. I have A theory about this. perhaps the Disney universe is A world where humans are the creatures and the creatures are normal. I mean just think about how Disney always gives us the human perspective on how what they don't understand is strange. I just feel like the mythical creatures from mermaids to unicorns all have a common fear HUMANS I think it's because humans in general are just cruel by nature. And Disney is trying it's best to show that to children, and sneak in a little bit of the good side here and there
Think no further, dear friend, for there is no more evil of a monster than humans.
This is not a joke, human beings can be absolutely horrible, even to the point of causing enormous destruction simply because of bordem.
@@supersaiandemon exactly what I was thinking
You have a really good eye! It is an easy way to broach racial or class issues (or intolerance in general) in terms that younger people can understand and learn to empathize from.
@@TheFangirlWatches totally just seeing this now by the way
Great video, great analysis. My problem with Demona has always been her lack of accountability. She refuses to accept responsibility for the role she played in what happened. Everything is the humans fault. She even tried to manipulate her own daughter into turning against Goliath and the clan. Until she can take a long hard look at herself and take responsibility, she’ll always be a villain.
Before I even watch this video I thought demona was right she did watch her whole clan get turned to stone almost permanently than she had to watch her back for the rest of her life until Macbeth was bound to her so yeah she's got a lot of miles.
And they’re all city miles too!
Gargoyles was a favorite cartoon show of mine when I was a teen. It was my understanding that the clan of gargoyles she got involved with after the tragic events at Castle Wyvern was composed not of her own clan, but surviving members of other gargoyle clans in Scotland that were mostly wiped out by humans. I could be wrong about that though. One big aspect that I realized MANY years after the show concluded was that in the pilot that set up the show, Goliath never bothered to stick around and take care of the Gargoyles' eggs down in the rookery. The idea that he should stick around and take care of the next generation of eggs didn't even seem to occur to him. If he knew that another portion of his clan was alive in some cave away from the castle, you would think his first priority would be to contact them, explain what happened, and lead them back to the eggs, to take care of them with the others, but that's not what he did. He abandoned the next generation of eggs. Maybe he thought he wouldn't be able to take care of them all on his own, and it would be better for them to die through being unattended, I dunno. Whatever was going through his mind, if it was a gross over-sight on his part or intentional, it's a disturbing decision on his part. I don't remember the Princess offering to take the eggs with her, but she did, and Thank God for their sake, otherwise, the new-borns would have died with no one there to care for them. Of course, Demona abandoned the eggs as well, so, think about that. She didn't clone Htailog, Xanatos did that. Htailog and Demona merely... hooked-up, not that it lasted very long.
Basically in that moment Goliath was suicidal, he thought his wife & Clan were all dead. He never thought the spell would be broken he just wanted to go to sleep & not wake up
He didn't abandon the egg's to die he entrusted them to the princess and that shows that he was thinking of the egg's. He was right to entrust the princess with the eggs cause she took good care of them and when she thought she might not be able to keep them safe she was willing to give up her title in order to keep them safe
@@tigeresscrazy8085 I don't remember them saying anything about the eggs. Goliath wanted to know what she would do now that the threat had passed, and she told him that she would return with her people to her uncle and it was no longer safe for them there. Goliath wanted the arch mage to cast the spell one more time, on him. Maybe Goliath was suicidal in that situation, guilt-ridden over not being able to protect his clan, but I think he still abandoned the eggs.
@@brianburke4756there was a line where he informed the princess and magus of the eggs and to take care of them
The weird sisters don’t agree with your assessment of the women that tried the big G on humanity. She was the author of her own pain, this is true of most really good tragic villains. She was a strong character fell into a cycle of pain of her own making.
She made herelf the villain of her fate. Demona showed her younger past self the future of what will happen to her brothers and sisters and the fate of Goliath and the rest. Her ideas to destroy humanity is both insane and somewhat genocide. Also you can't denied what she was going to do if her virus would've killed Macbeth; she would've died but her vengeance clouded her logic to remember that, not only that she even tried to steal Angela from Goliath to be a gargoyle to be a ruler without humans, but Angela would never loved it or her mother since Katerin took the eggs under Goliath request since raising 36 eggs would be hard for him since never can tell when a new enemy would come and try to raid the fallen castle Wyvern
If it’s canonical fact gargoyles mate for life, then Goliath clearly wasn’t playing them both like that. In fact, romantic feelings don’t really present between the two until late season two after the boat journeys. She also planned the downfall of humanity before he was awoken too. In fact, their being awoken WAS part of her extermination plan. She only woke them up for their help in her revenge so it’s not a result of Goliath meeting Eliza. She only really hates her not as a romantic rival but as simply an enemy who convinced her love to not believe in her views. He loves demona still for many years giving many chances before any form of love love was shown towards Eliza. Other than the whole anti Goliath view of this video, I still completely agree that she was much justified in her views after 1000s yrs of trauma.
Ehh all Goliath wanted was demona to respect human life. She refused. And he gave her several chances to come around. She had a hard life but could have everything she wanted if she gave up her 1000 year long revenge against an entire race for something that happened 1000 years ago
Ok I hear what you're saying but the humans are still responsible for what happened Demona and her clan she can't just give it up the humans need to be held accountable.
You think she was able to change after that long a period hating humans? "I've been living in the shadows, alone, hunted, hated, for over a thousand years, and you want me to just give up my hatred of them that's been building for all that time in a moment? Ok, yeah, sure, why not? How hard can it be?"
@@will_the_warlord8913 do you mean the dead Vikings that destroyed her clan? They need to be held accountable?
@@peterdanior4538no it's cause 1000 years later she Demona was still angry alone resenting humans using her hate anger to survive and save the gargoyles when that dumbass Goliath who blindly side with them for ignorance how can he just do after everything they did after humanity most if not all of them murdered and enslaved the gargoyles and everyone one else it's disgusting I can't stand it Demona was right to defend herself perhaps she didn't go about everything the right way however she wasn't wrong I know cause I've survived much like her cause of everyone else's bull I struggled to survive except I did no thanks to humans and their shit I did and Demona that name they chose who she was earlier than she did just saying
No es algo que pasó hace mil años incluso cuando ella quiso volver a reintegrarse en la sociedad humana actual pudo ver los abusos que habían entre humanos y asesinatos, las injusticias y todo, obviamente va estar rota si durante mil años solo vio las cosas horribles en las que son capaces de hacer, la moral de Goliath no sé oscureció porque tenía a sus amigos y a alguien quien amaba pero Demona estaba totalmente sola, siendo manipulada y traicionada sin tranquilidad, sin nadie.
Aparte considera que los otros huevos posiblemente fueron destruidos por humanos
In the dark ages comic, Demona did end up being taken for a hostage at a young age, thus leading to be an apprentice to the arch mage.
I guess Goliath was pretty stupid and blind-dumb guilty about how he actually deal with Demona when he met her again, still she kinda was so much mess-up that it was pretty much OK he choose over Eliza Maza and so her common biological daughter, Angela, also was fond of that. (She was raised up by humans doing the best for undoing the mistakes in the past, and well... they did great on the hatchlings indeed at Avalon.)
It may be true that Goliath pretty much messed up stuff when meeting back Demona, however she was very messed on herself by all the negative experiences she got, which kinda were a reflection on her own harsher agressive way of acting to everyone, not just humans (though particulary more on them, with justified views kinda indeed but also very mistakenly over-generalized), so that negative feedback just went on her going over and over time messing her untill the issue with Goliath made her burst out in full-rage. However THEN came the issue with her daughter, Angela, and there WAS NO POSSIBLE redeeming issue on what she attempted to her, just because of her father deeds.
Demona has a very sad story with a lot of justification but still NOT ENOUGH to discount her totally as a villainess on her own. It´s sad but true - there is no way to properly defend her to make her not accountable on her deeds. That´s a very cheap and naive psychollogy view that has no account on morals actually on actions, not arguments or ideologies.
agreed
Also, Goliath may have some flaws some of them may seem questionable but, he still has a strong enough sense of justice and morality and remains a remarkable leader of his clan to where he could be rightfully called a hero.
And no TH-cam video can change my mind about that
It might be worth noting that Goliath is
A) Very old fashioned, roughly 1000 years behind the times
B)He is in the Gargoyle equivalent of his early 20's making him relatively immature
But, you're totally right, things might have been different if he had been willing to understand Demona's position
Actually he is the human equivalent of a 30 year old, the trio are the equivalent of 20 year olds
@@peterdanior4538 30 or 20, Demona still has tons more experience & wisdom than he does.
@@AreteG experience yes, wisdom no. If she actually had more wisdom, she wouldn’t make the same mistakes over and over again
@@peterdanior4538 True that. Ngl, I was contemplating adding the wisdom part.
made it to the end! i don't have anything to add that others haven't already said, but demona was always my favorite, and i wanted a better outcome for her, which sadly i don't think we'll ever get :( i hope weisman is allowed to pick it back up one day, but i don't know if the mouse will let that happen
Demona was best girl when I was growing up and watching this series. She was so bad ass and an actual sympathetic character.
Demona: Goliath, I spent centuries alone. My clan was destroyed twice.
Macbeth: Spent centuries alone ... It's your fault.
Demona: I -
Macbeth: You betrayed Goliath. You got two clans destroyed. YOUR PLAN DESTROYED MY KINGDOM AND NEARLY THE HUMAN RACE. WHAT ABOUT YOU! IT'S BEEN ALL ABOUT YOU!
Demona with tears in her eyes and rage in Macbeth's eyes start to charge
Goliath: Enough
Before I watch the video, I just want to say. She is so annoying. I love her, she deserves to be happy, but at every turn she throws her chances away with both hands.
It's so frustrating. 😖
I agree that he should have tried a little harder to talk to her, but I'm not sure some gentle talking could have undone a thousand years of mental anguish.
Goliath was in a pretty awful situation too, he might have gotten to skip all of those years but imagine you wake up after a thousand years with everything you ever known and loved gone, but then like a miracle you find out that the love of your life was still alive.
I can't even imagine how much that would have hurt to see how much the centuries had twisted her.
This whole thing between the two of them was a tragedy.
Thank you always Miss Megan for all your good, and thoughtful content for so long, I never once skip ads or information you share. 💚💕
I love gargoyles! Easily my favroite old cartoon.
It was phenomenal! I wish they’d bring it back for new episodes on Disney+!
I can swear her nest was destroyed as well. And Demona at the time thought she lost her egg. Losing your mate, babies and clan in one night would have ruined her
Especially since it was all her fault
demona always blames others for her problems and she never takes responsibility for her own actions she had a chance to restart in the 21st century with her true love and what does she do she betrays him and what does she do she betrays him
Demona's defense lawyers here: What is Demona supposed to take responsibility for in the Dark Ages? That she was groomed by an old man into learning magic? Or that she wanted what was best for her people, after herself being burned and tormented by humans over and over again, and was then tricked by, again, when she trusted humans? Then Demona went on lead what was left of her clan in the caves, an effort she did tirelessly for decades, and she got entangled with MacBeth's drama and continued from there. Demona made the best decisions possible, first as a naive girl who was manipulated, and then as an experienced woman who learned to trust no one.
Demona does not betray Goliath until he shuts her out, never really asks a question, and never tries to hear her side of things. Goliath was already into Elisa Maza at that point to - so who really betrayed who first? You can only poke a bear so many times before it will maul you.
@@TheFangirlWatches you say that Demona was “tricked by humans she trusted”. When did that happen? It wasn’t when she betrayed her clan & castle to the Vikings. She explicitly stated that she didn’t trust the Captain, that’s why she hid, all by herself, and let her family get killed. And Goliath didn’t develop feelings for Demona until long after he found out that she was responsible for the Clans massacre. So yes Demona betrayed Goliath first
@@TheFangirlWatches all evidence shows that demona could have approached the arch mage herself
@ the fangirl if she really wanted what was best for her clan when Goliath wouldn't take the whole clan to go after the vikings she would have warned him about the captain of the guards plan. I understand her hating humans but not killing them. You can hate someone without killing them
Honestly I completely agree with you there just needed to be some more honest and through conversations between them and I think neither of them would ever budge, and she just kept digging her heels in deeper
Good analysis video! Demona is on my list for 5 bad asses in the 90s.
I gotta offer a counter analysis though. Not trying to correct you or anything, just food for thought. Goliath imo is why Demonas motivation for why does what she does, but Goliath is not solely the problem. Demona lived a thousand years of hardship, true. But we see much that was her own fault. Goliath may sympathize with her if she told him, but without the explanation he believes her own prejudice we saw before the Vikings has simply gotten the better of her. That's not what made him turn his back on her though. It was the words she spoke with a rocket launcher in hand. "If you are not my ally then you are my enemy." She's tried to kill him numerous times. That puts a damper on any relationship. And not once did Goliath try to kill her. But that ultimatum she made in that scene is hard to forget. She thinks he doesn't know the pain of betrayal, he sure felt it there. And he STILL loved her enough when he thought she died again he doesn't just roar in agony he turned around and almost killed Xanatos. "She wanted me to destroy humanity, I think I'll start with you!" And it took a lot for Eliza to talk him out of it.
He became attracted to Eliza ironically because she reminds Goliath of Demonas qualities. She's strong and committed. And when Goliath and the clan were reawakened they vowed to never trust humans again. But Eliza showed him it was alright to trust again. She never betrayed him and protected him as much as he protected her.
4:15 you mean he hasn’t spent the last millennium attacking humans, leading to him getting hunted by more humans, over & over
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Agreed. She had a hella hard existence!
And that impacts how someone responds to future issues - but no one wants to cut Demona any slack for her trauma-based responses!
@@TheFangirlWatches Except she is largely at fault for creating her own trauma. The Clan? Partly her fault. Macbeth? Almost exclusively her fault. The Hunters? Her fault. The falling out with Goliath, Angela, the others? Her fault.
There's no slack to be cut. She created her own misery. Have you actually watched the show? Because I don't know how you came to some of these conclusions if you did.
I like any gargoyles content. Also I crushed super hard on her. And troi from TNG. And I never knew til later they were the same person
Agree THANK YOU
Gargoyles is still my favorite cartoon from the 90's! I do love Demona and part of me wishes that she could have been brought round, even having a better relationship with her daughter Angela. But, Angela (who is my best girl) is so like her father and she also has such loyalty to humans as Catherine, Tom and the Magus raised her and her brothers and sisters. Honestly, writing like what was in Gargoyles is all but gone today!
Demona was always one of my favourite characters on Gargoyles. Not because just because she was voiced by Deanna Troi herself, Marina Sirtis, but because she was a compelling character. Yes, she made mistakes and didn't take responsibility for those mistakes, but how often in real life do we do that? How often do we make a decision that ends up having disasterous consequences for us, and then we refuse to acknowledge that decision? I also agree with you about Goliath though. He was the guy who was set in his own ways. How many times did the rest of the clan have to stand up to him and say, "this is wrong Goliath"? Like when it came to leaving the castle because they were no longer safe there once Xanatos got out of prison. Even Hudson knew it was time to leave, but Goliath refused until Macbeth attacked them at the castle, in hopes of drawing Demona out into the open.
Anyone else want to give demona a hug? Ok line starts behind me
lets all give her a big hug
She would destroy us all as we loved her, lol!
@@TheFangirlWatches that's true too
Loved, loved, loved this breakdown! I always felt sorry for Demona because she was just betrayed throughout her whole life, and that really scars a person. City of Stone, when she revealed the password, just broke my heart. It showed the core of her pain. And still Goliath didn't get it or understand it as you've deftly broken down. I remember reading an article years ago where the writer said that if the show continued on, Demona was eventually going to come back and have her redemption, part of that because of Angela. That always left me wondering where that would leave Elisa because as you said, Demona and Goliath are mated for life.
Thank you! I get so tired of guys telling me that *I* don't understand the show or the characters when Demona is completely understandable, and not evil, if you just take a minute to walk a mile in her shoes. I mean, the best villains believe in their cause, and what better motivator than pain? All the nay-says are just like Goliath refusing to relate because they think the world is black and white. 😂
@@TheFangirlWatchesyou said Goliath should have compromised with Demona on her Genocidal plans. You don’t understand the show
Demona needs a hug...and a good man to give her love. Probably Gargoyle...One would hope.
It’s sadder since Goliath comes back to the castle after it’s been ransacked and picks up the pieces of stone he says my angel of the night which is what he calls demona
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Long post: Haven't watched this show in ages, details are quite fuzzy. However what isn't is Demona and her general characterization: which is very memorable.
From an artistic stand point Demona's arc puts the show in a tight spot because the topic of trauma, life, death, killing, cannot be explored in a nuanced, meaningful fashion because it's a Disney kids show. They can't explore that trauma can be long term doesn't just disappear over night because one wants it too: it's a process which lengths wildly depends on the nature of the trauma. On top of which, since trauma doesn't operate in isolation, from a narrative stand point the show can't risk doing anything that fundamentally places Goliaths character in negative light, even when his actions do play a negative role.
In regards to the nature of killing people, the show can't in anyway abide it. Instead of a "it's an emergency, last resort, to be treated with the gravity it deserves" and exploring the consequences of the context it happens in, the show has to take a absolute wrong approach instead for the censors and sponsors.
Demona is a wonderful character, with the the most engaging character, however she also suffers from the same narrative problems that a reoccurring villians(like Callisto from Xena) tend to encounter: diminishing significance returns. Demona becomes less meaningful a tragic figure if she keeps showing back up like the Joker or Magneto. The viewer can be numb to the emotional weight the character is supposed to have. That's part of why I don't rewatch the series; she's my favorite character, the most interesting, and(if memory serves correctly) she gets flatter as the series goes on, so interest waned. On top which the romance angle between Goliath and eliza did nothing for me. Regardless of all that great video exploring a great character in a cool series! Interesting insight, and perspective given!
Goliath was not a help at all times but victimhood ceases when aggression begins. Intellectualized aggression at that. When people that are hurt begin to hurt others, they are just a criminal with a tragic origin. Like Magneto and Wanda as depicted in the MCU.
OMG every time I see your face I literally have a fangirl moment no pun intended
I love you for saying this, thank you! I’ve been so tempted to stop face vlogging, but this is really encouraging for me. Thank you!
@@TheFangirlWatches no problem
I never thought that. Not after "City of Stone I - IV"
She is a tragic villain in the same vein as Darth Vader. She thinks she is in the right, even knowing what she is doing is wrong.
Her treatment by humans made her hate them. Her plan within the castle with the Captain, the only one she could trust.....just went wrong. And it set into motion everything else.
But she is also in the blame, same as Vader.
Luckily, in the comics, she has come back "To the light" so to speak. So there is that.
Gargoyles was my favorite tv show growing up. My favorite characters were all of the surviving clan members except Goliath when I was a little kid. As a kid i viewed goliath as way too insensitive and pushy. As a teen I thought the guy was a butt hole with the way he treated others into only following his view on things.
For a show that had diversity and a more open minded approach to its overall story, the main character turned out to be a very closed minded individual unwilling to adapt to things unless it suited them in some way. Even the oldest of the clan was more into the changed modern world than Goliath was and most elders are stubborn and set in their ways to go that far. Some of the other characters weren't bad but they had their flaws.
Ultimately I loved Bronx the most followed by Lexington the nerd of the group.
How was Goliath close-minded? He actually struck me as pretty OPEN-minded in general.
@@Ares99999 it took others to convince Goliath to see a lot of things at a different angle than his usual way of thinking. He is very knowledgeable in his own way and what not but that knowledge didn't always work out for him in the long run. I am not saying he is a bad leader either, he was a very good one. All the characters had their flaws. His just stuck out to me the most as a kid because he was the main character in the series.
I simp for Demona
Love these vids! : )
The main reason why Demona didn’t try the schemes she did during the show was because she didn’t have access to the Magus’s spellbook. Through Xanatos she gained the means to wipe out humanity, & her first attempt (using Puck) happened before Goliath & Elisa were together. Also, why do you leave out the fact that Demona shot a bazooka at Goliath just because he wouldn’t side with her on her genocidal plans.
Thank you glad someone else is willing to point out that demona is a killer
@@tigeresscrazy8085 absolutely. I understand that people can feel sorry for her, however she is a monster that does horrible things of her own free will
I made it to the end
all the yes!!! as much as i love goliath our boy has issues. at least Demona is upfront with hers.
She constantly blames others for her mistakes, how is that upfront?
You did an amazing job defending your point of veiw but I disagree with it. Yes she has suffered but that doesn't give her the right to try to kill humans every chance she gets. If she was human she would be called a raciest. I think you forget the she knew about the captain of the guards plan and did nothing to stop it.
Hey, you are totally allowed to disagree. But, don't forget that Demona knew about the plan to destroy all the humans at Castle Wyvern - they were supposed to leave the gargoyles alone, so she got heavily betrayed over and over again until she adopted her bad attitude about humanity.
@@TheFangirlWatches are you forgetting that she never trusted that the Gargoyles would be protected, so that’s why she hid & left her Clan to get massacred, making her a traitor.
@ The Fangirl I understand her hate but you can hate and not try to kill what you hate every chance you get. I could forgive her hate but not her wanting to kill. I agree with her that as a hole humans are horrible but again that's no reason to kill
What about Angela and Broadway love story?
I know some might hate me for this, but Goliath has trouble with grays. Everything is either good or evil, black or white. And Demona is almost nothing but grays.
I would still love demona
Goliath also was the one who demanded his clan stay behind and protect the humans that were basically bullying them. That's the only time I really see him kinda in the wrong.
One thing though, Demona's plan to extermination the human race was in preparation for 500 years. She needed the praying gargoyle, the Fulfillment spell and the virus thingy. She spent 500 years planning that whole thing and I feel pretty certain that had Goliath never woken up, she would have still gone through with the plan.
I agree with the majority of this video, but also take into consideration Macbath almost betrayed Demona (or at least gave it consideration), and that hunter dude.. .yeah that was the most extreme overreaction to anything ever. Who would hunt a creature for 1000 years cause one of them scratched your face? What is that?
I would totally take Demona in and try to help her, but I'm just a filthy human so I'm sure she wouldn't want me to lol
The original Hunter only hunted her for about 40 years. After that it became a generational thing with the main reasoning being that Demona killed the previous Hunter so their child tries to kill Demona so on and so on
I agree but, this doesn't justify her actions for me
Marina Sirtis made the character Demona.
I’m glad someone points out that Goliath is a driving force in why Demona ends up going to the extremes she does.
If he had found Demona before Elisa came into the picture the series would’ve gone very differently
I think so too. Demona gets such a bad rap for what she ends up doing, but there is a lot of Reactionary Abuse going on there (where the person freaking out has been pushed beyond a psychological breaking point by someone manipulating them). Was everything Demona did right? No! Was she judged by the only person she ever loved, without EVER being heard out? YES! Love doesn't always make you feel stupid and happy, a lot of times if burns and drives you to revenge, lol.
@@TheFangirlWatches Exactly. I don’t think Goliath is consciously TRYING to do some of the harm he does. I do think he’s a good hearted gargoyle. But it’s really easy to stay on the right side of the moral compass when you don’t have a thousand years of experience in seeing that the honor code Goliath preaches doesn’t hold up in a lot of instances with humanity.
@@SilverBlade76 part of that honor code was “don’t betray the people that protect us while we sleep”. And she broke this code because a mean girl wasn’t nice to her. And in doing so got everyone murdered, how is Demona the victim here?
I don't think so cause I really don't think he could ever love someone who wants to kill humans and is willing to betray and kill her former clan if things don't go her way
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As someone who was born so different to the ideals of society (as a disable person and slight disfigurement), I can so relate to Demonas' story and how she tried to be good, but it kept back firing at her because she is a Gargoyle and humans can't understand her, even though she tried to understand them. She tired to befriend humans... there were episodes where she did saved that detective lady, so it wasn't as if Demona was all villain. She was definite one of Disneys' most complex princesses. 😎👍
"She is a gargoyle and humans can't understand her." - Comes off as weird when you realize that Goliath and Co. have met several humans who understood them.
"She tried to befriend humans." When?! Aside from Macbeth, who she blindly betrayed over ONE sentence after SEVENTEEN years of friendship, when did she actually, honestly, attempt to befriend humans? I want the episode so I can watch it.
"There were episode where she did save that detective lady." When?! Demona hated Elisa, would have killed her way before she'd save her. Again, what episode was this done in?
Demona is genuinely one of my favorite characters of all time. I sympathize and even empathize with their struggles and anger as a black man in a white world I get it .
Demona is the best, and I hate that people only want to see her as a bad guy.
@@TheFangirlWatches True, Demona has so much nuance she like a fallen angel allegory. Goliath named her angel of the night then Macbeth named her Demona after there alliance and defeat of the hunter.
I will say this about Demona... She had to suffer loss alone. Sure she sold out home to the Vikings...only to feel betrayal. Her home, family and even children/ next of kin were considered destroyed. She endured her losses and instead of realizing she caused most of it...she sees what the humans have done. I do sympathize with her greatly, and feel for her. I just wish she could open herself up more but because of how deep her pain was..it could never be.
I think Demona's biggest issue is that she made moves that she thought would benefit her people, and the backlash to her actions were outrageously disproportionate. So, I can follow her logic and see where Demona essentially brought a spoon to a sword fight, and the more she got burned, the more she tried to do her own thing, and the worse and worse her bubbled off world became. But Demona really doesn't snap all the way until Goliath comes back to life and starts rejecting her, so, yeah, theoretically, Demona is one good man's love away from being saved and converted to the good side.
@@TheFangirlWatchesshe caused the deaths of her entire clan : “People are blowing her actions out of proportion” 🙄
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Demona was trained by a villian , hated humans to the point of killing the clan. Gargoyles protect there terrority and all within. She forgot that and thus lost all of herself and actual purpose, she became worst than the humans she hated. Gargoyles don't do therapy , they protect, gargoyles are their own masters. The hunters existed because demona hatred , she tried to be human sadly was a bad human.
She definitely impacts her own fate, but a lot of it comes from being mistreated for her desire to do more and be better. So it turns into an issue where how Demona acts and how she’s treated makes it all snowball.
@@TheFangirlWatches yes she doesn’t something horrible, gets treated badly for doing something horrible, so she does more horrible stuff. It’s not like she can be expected to learn from her past
At one point she was playing both sides of the fence. I believe she was misunderstood
What is misunderstood? Her motives & feelings are very apparent
I 100% disagree with everything you said but I do like seeing everyone's point of view.
Nobody can force you to agree, but Demona is an extraordinarily well-written character for a "boys cartoon" in the 90s. She is deep and complex, and her motivations are there, if you take it in from the female perspective. But, I have noticed that most males want to see the show in this black and white sense of justice, as Goliath does, and thereby can't really relate to Demona or her motives.
@@TheFangirlWatches I agree with the point that she is a deep and complex character.
@@TheFangirlWatchesI can’t relate to Demona because I’m not a psychopath
she literally dismembered a woman on the streets when the humans were turned to stone lol
Yeah, but how much had happened to her BEFORE she got to that point?
@@TheFangirlWatcheswhat could have happened to her that would justify dismembering innocent people?
Demona my favorite gargoyle and prob the reason I love toxic mean women 😅
Oohhh... is that where I got that trait from..? 🤔😂
1:45 her actions got her entire family killed, but she meant well, ffs seriously?
Your so right , I always sided with her
If you don’t feel Demona’s pain, you’ve lived a charmed life.
Nah Goliath did nothing wrong
Demona and Macbeth are my two FAVORITE characters in the series..... And btw, I DONT trust humans, so I feel her pain..🤔✌
I think Demona is so undervalued as a character and as an anti-villain. But, she's the "bad" female in a male-dominated series, so the public at large doesn't seem to understand her nuanced details.
@@TheFangirlWatchesthe public understands her, we just don’t give her a pass because she a female
Ouch. So much of what's being said is taken out of context to make Demona look better than she really was. At some points, it was so skewed I frankly wonder if the show was seriously watched. The Captain did NOT kill the Gargoyles - Hakon and the Vikings did, and more for pragmatic reasons than anything else. The Magus did curse the Clan - in a moment of misplaces grief that he then regretted the rest of his life, to the point of raising the Gargoyle children along with two others. And Macbeth did not use Demona - the pact was made by both , with Demona regaining her youth at the cost of Macbeth's own, and living for decades in peace until a moment of paranoia caused her to ruin everything.
Honestly, at some point I stopped, because it's so skewed, not pointing out the huge part Demona played in her own misery. THAT is the tragedy of the character: that her own choices and her own inability to own up to her own mistakes is why she has lost so much.
Exactly, the fact is that nobody ever betrayed Demona. She betrayed the castle to the Vikings, she betrayed MacBeth to Canmore. She never trusted the Captain, that’s why she hid. And MacBeth was legitimately her friend. As much as Elisa was to Goliath in the beginning. And she is constantly blaming Goliath for not “trying to understand” Demona’s anger. Like if you found out your work fe was secretly a serial killer, it’s your fault if you don’t don’t stick by her side
4:36 you mean things like shooting him with a bazooka, mind controlling him, poisoning & hunting him in a graveyard, & bringing his brother back from the dead as a zombie cyborg so he can kill Goliath? Yeah poor Demona
I they remake this show.
Nice video by the way could you do a jimmy neutron revival discussion like will jimmy neutron ever come back so that its planned season 4 finally gets made and thus the series finally gets a real ending
Demona was right on every point the made. Humans are evil, they do deserve to all die.
The issue is, is it then right for demona as an individual to destroy them?
Its like the reverse situation of Goblin Slayer.
From Demonas perspective, shes the Goblin Slayer, and the goblin is humans.
Just because there might be a single good human out there, does that mean i allow these ones to live on the off chance they dont end up being evil ones?
I agree that, from Demona's perspective, she is 100% right and justified in her way of thinking. The thing is though, Gargoyles don't have religion, so Demona has no one to pray to for help or guidance to smite the humans. However, she is a magic user, she's worked hard to learn how to defend herself and her people, and, of course she's going to take action into her own talons when there's no one else to turn to for help. And, let's also point out that Demona doesn't really have any self-fullfilled prophecies where she makes her own villains - MacBeth and Demona entered into an agreement willingly and things went badly, but I don't see that as being her fault. I also don't hold the Castle Wyvern attack as her fault - it would have happened either way, she just got blessed with the information, even though she was nearly helpless to save the rest of her clan. So, when bad things happen to you without proper lead up to have that bad thing feel "earned," of course you're going to turn cold and mean to those who wronged you! I don't understand why so many people hold that against Demona! Like... flap a mile in her wings and see what life is like!
@@TheFangirlWatches ...I dont see how religion ties into this but aight
@@gurun8071 without religion or some concept of cosmic justice/karma, it means if you want change in the world, someone will have to practically do something about it. It makes sense, but I'm not sure how much the writers thought about that with the show and demona's motivations.
@@snowballeffect7812 ...that still doesn't equate to religion, and they do have an overarching moral system
@@TheFangirlWatchesthe massacre wouldn’t have happened without her consenting to the plan
Say what you want, but wanting a species genocide like Demona did is never a good thing. Yes she has a lot a trauma and issues that doesn't make her views right.
That being said I think the main group could have tried harder to reason with her. To try and calm her down or at least cone to a compromise they could agree on.
2:12 actually her Clan was destroyed & frozen because Demona DIDN’T trust humans, but why let facts get in the way of your narrative
It's amazing how women spout nonsense to excuse their bad behavior and poor choices. Demona betrayed her clan and chose not to warn them, the man she trusted did try to protect the gargoyles, but he was just one guy. That was all her fault.
It was also her fault for assuming the worse of Macbeth and believing he was going to betray her when he wasn't.
It isn't Goliath's fault because he isn't forcing Demona to do anything, she is choosing to be evil if she stopped, Goliath would take her back, but like most women she's too prideful to admit she's wrong and except fault.
This woman is a perfect example of how childlike the average woman is, they deflect blame for everything they choose to do on other people. Their refusal to except responsibility and grow from their mistakes is the height of immaturity. Shame on this woman for this poor take on a great show. Stop blaming men for your poor choices.
Not everything is about gender bro 🥱
I would agree with you if there was not this ugly generalisation against women.
@@JonathanGhost42 I'm not being against women. You have to face the fact that most people days have been spoiled by the comforts of society.
Women mostly thanks to feminism as it has demonized men and made women think that men are against them and they need to compete.
When you think about nature and that women are weaker and have always needed men to provide for them that can create a childlike mentality in women where they see men in general as their dad, and since they're spoiled they blame daddy for everything. Does pointing out someone's faults so they can improve make you against them?
Or you could look at it that since men can overpower women, the only reason any woman can do anything is because all men are allowing them to. So of course every mistake a women makes is men's fault for allowing them to do it.
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Goliath was the real villain also idiot his human lover is a disrespect to the code he is the real villain not her he was only into the human girl to just control her as an object manipulating her then wants to force her to bring offspring with horrible intentions to create the nephilim wants only a son naming after him what made him that way!? My theory he was under a spell of Macbeth mind control spell making him go mad only works on the weak minded what he's going through brings a break up to the gargoyles team splitting up permanently even towards demona the last episode as the the TH-cam movie critic says it might of been all a dream all in his head the whole time demona left him for blowing it in his dream of becoming so naive it split up the gargoyles team also he was alone in a misty place on a boat old raft boat talking to I think a wizard as if he's in exile punishment for his betrayal explains why the other gargoyles show its just him alone and miserable with new characters he meets also new story Goliath you ended the show you blew it bye!
Demona and Macbeth were using each other, they had a common enemy. She betrayed him, he didn't betray her.
And Macbeth actually treated Demona as a friend and trusted advisor for 17 years. All to be betrayed over one sentence meant to teach his son not to make reckless decisions.
@@Ares99999 exactly