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- Apparently The Lich is a simp now. So let's talk about why that is a wild take.
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The Lich isn’t a simp. He’s a devoted follower of a deity, and is willing to sacrifice everything for this deity. Whether or not the deity actually desires that, or even acknowledge his existence.
The Lich is a zealot.
Completely agree!
@@Kev-D-OG yeah but I do agree he’s not a Simp but someone made this video like 30 minutes ago where he says Golb is actually good which I do agree because he’s shown not to stand there well in the last episode of adventure time he just basically sits there and he’s kind of like a child someone said in a video like that but he just sits there without any intentions of destroying everything if he wanted to destroy something wouldn’t he of done it like instantly if he’s one of the strongest gods created because
he was able to destroy pillow world so why didn’t he destroy ooo because I don’t think he’s evil there’s actually a video sort of explaining that which he makes out many good points
So a christian in disguise? Is this correct viewing?
They love talking about the big daddy in the sky
I dont think people understand how this specific relationship dynamic works; a God and a devotee of that god, it would be like saying a religious simped for god, 🤣, lol.
Completely correct. You understood the assignment.
But like, the lich is still a lesser god in this analogy.
Like the lich is a primordial and also a embodiment of the universe (mass death), but golb domain of chaos is just way to fucking powerful
@@Kev-D-OG also, golb is betty as golb, so why would her relate to someone that wants all live dead
Damn, I can’t believe all religious devotees are simps 😂
@@henriquemedranosilva7142nope, if we argue with your logic then finn is a god now? (finn is the embodiment of good) Also another wrong thing, lich isn't the embodiment of "mass death" he's the embodiment of evil or the end/inevitable.
I heard the lich being called machine like in analysis before but i never thought people took that so literally.
He laughs miniacally at his success, he feels pain, he takes his sweet time to monologue in front of an audience, those things don't fall in line with his goal, if anything his monologuing instead of simply death commanding finn directly leads to his schemes failing.
The way I've said it before in the past was to the way he acted when confronted with defeat and how he planned things out in advance, which is also how Prismo describes him. He doesn't say "The Lich has no emotion and no nuance" he says "The Lich can't cause mass death rn, so he's dormant. Like a machine without a purpose" referring to his modus operandi
He’s a animal predator then a machine he was built to kill to survive in this case golb was his food and once he was not fed it cries and dies 😊
The term simp has destroyed this character archetype. If lovecraft’s work came out today people would be like “this sucks these aren’t real cults they’re just simps!”
Completely agree. The concept of simping wouldn't even work for GOLB because there is no equal value. Simps go after other human beings, while this is clearly a "god and mortal" relationship.
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It's very much a God and mortal relationship.
You wouldn't say a priest, or a Christian/catholic a "simp for God" now would you? Then why does everyone equate "the last scholar of golb" in the simp light?
A simp generally equates some sort of love, and not love as devotion, but love as in "im attracted to this person"
The lich very much isn't in "love" with golb, hes just devoted to him.
@@zcarp8642 Completely agree!
@@zcarp8642yes yes I would
Simp implies you're putting your equal above you, it's different when they're actually above you in terms of power like a literal god. It's crazy people don't understand what the word they're using even means 💀
People theorize that Golb created the catalyst comets, and the Lich's was meant to bring absolute destruction. He's like a machine created by Golb to fullfill one specific purpose, but he's intelligent and capable of self-reflection. It's just that the Lich never had any reason to reflect on anything until now, fifteen years after having completed his directive.
He's not Thanos from the comics, he just wants recognition from his god, or to at least know what the point of it all was. But there's no point, the comets literally just exist to "shake things up", just change for the sake of change.
Love this point! Especially the comet idea at the end. I like the idea that the comets are seemingly irrelevant things that could've been made to just make it a bit different.
I believe that one can be evil if they're able to have intentions. They CHOSE to do these atrocities. Before the lich was scary, but he was just a force of nature. You can't hate an earthquake or tornado. But now, we see he's just as mortal as anyone else. We saw through sweet pea that he didn't have to do evil things. He's sm more terrifying now because of his flaws. He can do good, but he has intentions and thought, and uses them to do horrible things and slaughter millions.
YESSSSSSSSS. Now this is a masterful comment.
That’s what made Death great in Puss & Boots 2-acting like a force of nature while really overstepping many boundaries.
"You can't hate an earthquake or tornado."
Literally why not
@@littlemoth4956I guess a better thing to say is you can’t call an earthquake evil. It’s simply an event
@@littlemoth4956 you cant really hate something that has no thought or no conscience you can fear it because of its consequence but you cant have complete hate over something that isnt even alive same with the opposite emotion with love you can love the weather but you cant devote yourself to it if you try you will lose the actual meaning of it which is to care for others because they care for you thats why i think sweet p went his own way he realized he doesnt have to be a cog and choose his own path a path of care and empathy and support in which the lich never got bc he spent his energy on something that couldnt give him the same support and love
I think it's possible that Golb uses the litch (litches) to increase entropy of universes but the end games isn't for him to win but to struggle because he does win, chaos isn't served. And If he does some how win, he gets shelved, explaining the rest of the blocks.
I can definitely see this being the case! And it'd explain why there are so many of the blocks since there are so many universes.
Also, to choose follow an entity like Golb, I’d imagine you have to pretty evil already beforehand. It’s not like Golb is the entire reason the Lich is the way he is.
Exactly! Definitely was an influence, but The Lich was always driven to destroy things.
I wouldn't say "simping" is appropriate, "religious devotion/religious worship/religious fanaticism" are more accurate.
Completely agree!
I felt that the entire series is about the toxicity of idealized obsession
Simon obsesses over bringing back Betty, so much so he loses value in his own life when she’s gone, while Betty does the same thing to Simon, losing sight of her own life when obsessing over Simon. Both of them learn to be content with their own lives after cutting off their co-dependency on each other
Fionna hates her mundane life for not being fantastical and magical and she became obsessed over changing that, throughout the series, she learns to treasure the life she wanted to abandon after seeing how magic has disastrously affected some other worlds.
The Lich himself is obsessed with what he believes to be Golb’s desire, so much so he became the very embodiment of what he believed would please him, but unlike Fionna, Betty, and Simon, when achieving his final goal he fails to realize that obsession only rewards you with a hollow and fleeting moment of happiness
I definitely agree that this moment of the Lich doesn’t “destroy his character” it just redefines it in a way to serve as a contrast to the characters of the show. The Lich can be the embodiment of the inevitable fate of the world, AND be obsessed with Golb. Expanding on the failure to understand one another by using the Lich as the failed route was great in my opinion.
I like the part of the episode where Lich fanboyed and said “OMGOLB ITS GOLB AHHHHHHHHH”
You're watching Flynn and Jacques 😂
Basically my thoughts about the lich is that he indeed came into existence to destroy as much life as possible, both as the comet and then a nuclear bomb, however at some point of his Un-Life or perhaps previous reincarnation he attributed his purpose to be of Golb's desires, maybe because he's like one of the many monsters created by his breath or just because he got inspired in him later down the line. When in actuallity his existence is just product of random chaos, no design or grand plan of any kind.
Or in other words, the omnicidal Lich was never actually nihilistic.
I really like this concept of his own reincarnations coming into the reasoning for his depression.
The only thing I don't like about his behaviour is that he was sad when he achieved his goal. I always thought that after this he'll just... exist. Not happy, not sad, nothing. Like when he was in Prismo's room. I think he would be just appeased. And also standing before Golb, he would just silently (or praying to Golb) accept his destiny as it was supposed to happen someday. Or maybe even little happy cause this is exactly how he imagined his end would be after getting everything done
I know that AT doesn’t have to follow real world definitions, but a lich is an undead creature (or at the very least a corpse), and that’s always how I’ve seen this lich. To me, the implication that there was something human-like about him was always present, from the details of his character design, to the way he spoke about himself. I understand if not everyone is happy with this direction, but in my mind this was perfect; there’s no better ending for the stubbornly undead than for them to meet their final end (or close enough).
I completely agree! I love the connection you made to the undead and his end goal of finally being just dead.
@@Kev-D-OGironically he’s definitely still conscious as a tetris block, his head was unchanged
I think humanizing an evil character doesn't make them empathetic, you can humanize dictators, tyrants and alike without excusing nor justifying anything they've done, and without sympathizing with them.
To make a compelling bad person, or thing, you have to humanize them to make it believable, it's rather one dimensional when you don't. Adding this dimension to the character can make the character even more terrifying, him being characterized like a machine just doesn't make him horrifying.
But give him emotions, goals and aspirations, than you get a sense he's not doing it absent mindedly and is totally aware of what he's doing, making him like a serial killer from some horror movie.
I completely agree! When you see that the evil in someone is generated from their own humanity vs some inherent goal, it makes them even more menacing.
I feel like people are more mad that he’s relatable now. When the show started, the Lich was just a generic 1 dimensional villain. But as the show grew up with its audience, so did the concept of the Lich. He was still a one dimensional villain but it was the exploration of his nature that made him even more terrifying. He was the universe’s end, the last scholar of Golb, the embodiment of evil. Where there’s good, there’s bad. Where there’s Finn, there’s the Lich. He was a LITERAL force of nature. A primordial deity. He didn’t NEED a reason to destroy everything, it was his JOB. But now, come to find out; he’s depressed. His main purpose didn’t even fulfill him. Sure he did it all for Golb but, to us, we thought he actually LIKED doing it. Now it’s like…so you just killed everything for nothing? You’re regretting your actions? Now I look stupid for having nightmares about you cause I thought you were the equivalent of a natural disaster. Turns out, you’re just…a human.
Golb to the lich is like how the greater elder gods in HP lovecraft's stories are to cthulhu. They are literally cthulhu's own cosmic horror beyond recognition and the lich was under golb that much
Calling the Lich a simp for Golb it's like Calling Cthulhu a simp just because there are bigger and more powerful gods in the Lovecraftian universe. If something that makes it even more terryifying, because we are already like ants compared to the Lich. Even gods have gods to worship. Remember, kids: there's always a bigger fish.
Completely agree! Love the bigger fish analogy because it means the world can always grow and get crazier.
@@Kev-D-OG yees! Who knows if they are bigger and scarier gods than Golb? Growing and evolving is this franchise's talent.
@@elsorzis5692 Absolutely!
Personally I think this was an amazing conclusion to one of my favorite characters. I got chills watching the Lich being brought down from the pedestal of this idea that he is this sort of ultimately unavoidable end to existence in a way that made the Lich feel human and a little more relatable. Relatable to the fact that no matter how hard you work at something and even achieving that goal doesn’t mean it’s always going to pan out the way you want it. It also sheds more light and character into Golb. A character that doesn’t speak showing a little more than just the embodiment of chaos. Showing us that to Golb, nothing matters. Which in turn makes Golb that much more scarier as this entity we have all tried to understand.
Amazing analysis and I completely agree! It added so much depth to the character and made his presence in the grand scheme feel as insignificant as any other person in the world.
@@Kev-D-OGand also the lich could also represent simon
I don’t understand why people were saying this is out of character for the Lich, his only goal was to destroy all life in the universe, why would he not worship a being that literally can erase entire universes and all life in it by just existing in them? Also since Golb got introduced it was very clear that it was far more machine-like and non-sentient than the Lich, so why were people expecting the same from the Lich still? There’s no reason to have the same character build for the two most powerful antagonists, that just makes one of them redundant. Humanizing a pure being of evil and making him realize that his success at creating mass death did not fill the void within his heart and he feels numb is such a more interesting concept than having two beings in an “all powerful force of nature” stalemate. I like the idea of a being of pure chaos and destruction that just acts on pure instinct, but two characters don’t need to fill that description in the same show
You're absolutely spitting. ESPECIALLY with the ending about how we don't need two of the same character. With the creation of GOLB, The Lich was able to develop into something unique which is more interesting as a whole.
like you said in your initial video, this storyline for the Lich in Fionna and Cake made the Lich a real character in your mind (and rightfully so). this is extremely contrasted in how we saw him in the OG show (a great evil force embodied by a man). he went from a one to three dimensional character.
Yup! It completely recontextualized him and everything he did in the original for the better imo
i agree that it made him into a more 3d chracter but for me i liked the lich as a 2d villian his goal was to kill all life and that was that
Well since both Lich and GOLB are presumably primordials, I think Lich saw GOLB and decided to worship him, seeing him as the power of destruction and by extension power to destroy life
I can definitely see that being the case!
@@Kev-D-OG but it's still kinda makes no sense that Lich depressed only after killing one world. He planned to destroy all Multiverse and even Cycle of life and death, but he didn't even bothered by the fact that Simon (as he thinks) have risen again. It's just was weak explanation why he is depressed that make me question all of this
To sum the lich 's mental state is when you do your job but you don't get paid
LMAOOO
i really enjoyed the direction they took the lich and just as you outlined, he was never devoid of emotion or flaws otherwise he would've been impossible to defeat (like Golb is). this show also goes super hard on the character parallels as you said, and i love how that even includes the lich and how simon is able to identify with that human part of him
Yeah! Parallels are like a chef’s kiss thing for me. Literally it never fails 😭
I think the main reason why many people didn't like how the lich was presented was due to the dialogue. I think him asking to first maybe go to a new universe to expand his goal more then getting mad when Golb refused to grant his wish or answer him would of been better. It would fit his character while also giving him more emotions other than joy and mild frustration.
I do love how you discussed buzzwords and analysis. People these days just use buzzwords because they think its impressive and makes complexities simplified in one word. But this is not true. It just makes you look like a hipster being pompous and obnoxious. REAL analysis means digging deeper into the subject and finding those complexities! To characterize a character as impacting and meaningful as *The Lich* with just one word, simp? That is not at all informal or accurate to anything the Lich truly personifies. He was a dark being, praising chaos, conquering worlds, fooling the simple minded. He was smart, clever, devoted, evil, strong, and in the end, depressed. Don't let anyone try to categorize this brilliant character. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed the buzzword part of the video so much! I feel really passionate about that so I'm glad it resonated.
@@Kev-D-OGNo problem, man. Stay analytical.
I feel like this also shows that if you are alive and conscious, you will, by your own volition or otherwise, become a product of your enviroment. You can even look at the other primordials to see this case.
Coconteppi was just a rabbid and wild primordial (if his ressurection via Peppermint is anything to go by) who most likely lived before any other civilization, and that was mirrored in his brief actions during Wizard City.
Oorgalorg has been a terror for eons, constantly traveling to different planets and doing different things. He most likely picked up on a few things, even in his dormancy in the form of Gunter. He's clearly articulate and a little sassy, but doesn't show much connection to things, focusing on the big picture. He reminds me of someone who moves from town to town, not really making personal impressions but having an overarching goal.
The Lich, on the other hand, has been on Earth for a really long time, and to add to that, has met multiple people. From his battles with Billy to his misadventures as a snail to the stuff with Finn and Jake, The Lich has always been an ever present EARTHLY threat. He might be a primordial, but he's tied himself to Earth so much that you could argue he's practically OF THE EARTH at this point. Is it really any surprise that the Lich would develop Earthly traits like the worship of another, or expressing joy via laughter, or the terror he felt when he got slapped by the Life Goo?
Like, Life and Death have emotions, and they're supposed to be concepts, just like the Lich. Prismo and the Cosmic Owl (two cosmic entities) have emotions and feelings and moments, so why would it be a right to assume that the Lich would be exempt from any of this?
The only thing that needs to be constant about the Lich is the same concept from the Pitch Bible before the show even started: The Lich is NOT FUNNY.
So apparently following/worshiping a God is classified as being a simp now. Neat
It's honestly crazy how people are saying it.
@@Kev-D-OGto me, him worshiping golb, is the equivalent of worship a god
one of the best lich analysis videos i have seen, amazing.
That really means a lot to hear! Thanks so much 😭
"Lich doesn't show emotion"
*laughs maniacally in general*
*always screams, gets angry, or is shocked when his plans fail*
Lich DOES show emotion, just not in action, only whenever he fails or succeeds or when he's just not planning anything
The problem is they took adventure times most important villain and who practically just change the show to be more serious in the first place. Every single speech of him being the endless wheel The end or any other sort of cosmic importance. Just gets thrown out the window for notice me senpai. They take everything he’s done from the original series and throws it out the window. He basically just shows up says he’s sad and then dies. What a great way to end the main villain of your series. I’m not angry at this I’m just let down and disappointed they didn’t do more with him. I mean he literally exist everywhere now.
It always bothered me how the people complaining about this turn for the Lich all ignore the fact that he quite literally calls himself a scholar of Golb. He laid it out, right in his introduction(I think? Even if it came later, he still called himself that years ago) that he, at the very least, respected Golb enough to study him.
Him getting depressed when he got his wish, created a world where everything was dead? That makes sense. The Lich exists in a universe where he won -- he eliminated all life, extinguished all life everywhere. What was left after that? He did what he always wanted, so now what is he supposed to do? He probably went into hibernation, like he did with Prismo, at least until Bmo showed. Hell, Lich might not have ever even said anything to BMO -- 'Jerry' and his jokes could have just been BMO pretending, while the Lich just sat there.
Then, Simon, Fiona, and Cake show up. The Lich notices life, begins to move against it... and doesn't. He doesn't kill them, because what would be the point? He might have felt a small thrill in it, but it would have left as quickly as it came. What would be the point? They'll die in that world regardless of what he does, it's not like there's any food left after all.
He killed everything, he followed what he assumed was Golb's teachings, and all he got for it was an empty universe and an eternity of silence... and BMO. Hell, he couldn't even pull a Farm World and try to extend his reach to other universes because Finn destroyed the Book he needed to do that.
Of course he'd become desperate when he finally was met with the godly being he declared himself a scholar of. Of course he'd want answers from Golb -- to know why he was never recognized when he alone followed Golb's teachings to the very end!
The Lich was a machine dedicated to the end of all life. He was a machine, because he was a Zealot -- he would destroy everything, kill everything, and he would take as long as was needed to do so because he knew that he would win in the end, and when he did? He would come face to face with his tutor, his mentor, the only being in existence that the Lich ever cared to show any sort of respect and reverence too.
What he planned after that only he knew, but I guess the tl;dr version of it is that it's perfectly in character for the Lich to be devoted to Golb, and a machine-like being who's every action was meant to bring about the end of all life.
Hi I have a question, if for Golbetty the future is so accessible, does that imply that Golb knew he would be merged with Betty? I have a theory that Betty would perhaps be an incarnation of Golb, since when she went to the future several "chaotic" events happened in ooo, like her messing with the crown, kind of causing the problem with the elements and messing with golb, among other problems. Maybe Betty is part of Golb's life, since before he had this "baby" shape and after fusing with Betty, he takes on an "adult" shape. Possibly symbolizing that he has matured or something.
I like this concept a lot! However, I don't think that Golbetty is really accessible at all. Simon is implied to have tried the ritual many times and the only reason he was able to was because Betty seemingly reached out to him herself.
@@Kev-D-OGI think OP was talking about the future being so easily accessible to Golbetty rather than Golbetty herself being accessible
Ohhhhh. I see now! That's still interesting regardless and maybe that would mean that GOLB was fine with fusing with her!@@theblackbasketball
In my opinion, the character of the Lich was never meant to have depth. That was the beauty of him. He was an inevitability, he felt like this unstoppable force driven solely by the fact that - ultimately - he had to succeed simply based of what he was and his subsequent purpose. To me, being a scholar of Golb felt more like he was an entity who followed a similar doctrine or principle rather than straight up worshiped (a student and teacher vibe rather than god and worshipper vibe). The Lich was one of those rare characters who on paper was not all that interesting, nothing going on for him other than the task the writers gave him, but because of the performance and visuals and implications of his goal and feats he became this undeniably grim and intriguing force of nature in all of our minds.
Having him worship Golb and do all that he does just to find satisfaction under Golb's notice or approval, takes what he was and ruins it by adding depth. To me, depth is poison to this character who was meant to be an interesting and entertaining take on a 2 dimensional villain. It takes him from the source of an inevitable future, a perfect antithesis to Finn in many ways, to someone looking to please a higher power and ultimately doomed to fail. It makes his journey, and everything he does, a pointless effort. That's why I hate it personally.
HOWEVER, I have a headcanon to fix this. One could say that the lich was this unstoppable force of nature under Golb's tutelage, but then when Betty fused into Golb her nature corrupted Golb's and somehow poisoned Golb's teachings and desires. This version of the Lich (since there are infinite Liches in infinite universes), noticing this shift before or when he fulfills his goal, becomes desperate and then unravels into this worshipper façade in an attempt to claim what was promised to him by his teacher (who by all rights is a divine entity).
I think people got a certain headcanon into their minds about who and what the Lich is. And when F&C deviated from what they thought was established canon, they don't like the 'new' direction. I think in part people bought in too much to the Lich's own hype. The Lich was always very powerful. But just because the Lich believes himself to be 'the ceaseless wheel' and the end of all thigns doesn't mean he is. They convinced themselves the Lich, because he was once a catalys comet, was an unstopable force of nature destined to win out in the end. Even though Finn was also a comet and is just a guy now.
The Lich also called himself the last scholar of golb in the main show, setting up Golb as being something greater than him. I don't get why anyone could be mad the Lich went out this easily. He was taken down in far less dignified ways in the past. From having his skull torn apart by a love sweater to conveniently placed guardian blood turning him into a giant baby. Being undone by the embodient of chaos itself might just be his LEAST ignoble defeat so far. Or at last up there.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Love to see it!
My personal head canon is that boss that Orbo and Scarab mention, the one that only communicates through a phoneline, is Golb. Like you said in 4:45 , if Golb thrives off of chaos, no more life means no more chaos. So Golb has this collection of god-like beings that keep the multiverse in check, just so theres always life to bring chaos to. Also, the other beings regard this boss with almost fear, and if this is the boss of Prismo, it makes sense that they could overrule his magic, and who is the only being that can overrule his magic so far? Golb.
Of course there is the thing where Golb never talks, and Scarab actively argues with the boss on the other end of the phone, but like I said this is my personal headcanon.
Sorry if im ignoring your theory, but I did have a funny thought.
What if "The Boss" was the snail? Lol. I mean, he is in every episode.
The reason I like the lich in this is because these is the ending I want to see for all the characters that want to destroy all life. My biggest example being Darkside wanting the anti life equation and like the lich he is literally a multiversal being meaning he does not only want to kill one world but all. I really want to see an elseworld comic were we see what does darkside do after he actually success (since he cannot conquer what is dead and cannot kill what is already conquer) does he regret his actions does he stay in a state of limbo since theres no one and nothing around him, considering his powers a he make a knew universe in his image (only to end up detroying it again and again)
An other example is ganondorf since he want to conquer hyrule but destroy everything else like his own tribe múltiple times (throught the series and in the same game) and yes you could argue that if he wins he'll have his monster and the trone but unfortuantly because every versión wants more power he does not stop even after getting everything he wanted and example twilight princess and link to the past were he had the full triforce (not just the one of power)
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The Lich to me as why he was so great was because he was so simple, he even agrees with Finn when he calls him “you’re so evil it’s boring man, you’re basic!” And the Lich doesn’t deny that claim, he agrees but expands on it. And you can definitely see the Lich’s simple straightforward nature, every time he talks he gets right to the point and doesn’t make things confusing… unless he’s actively deceiving them. He tricks Prime and Farmworld Finn in achieving his goal, he manipulates New Death in being his new body and kinda grooms him into sharing his goal to end all life. Yes there’s still much we don’t know about the Lich but we don’t need more from him, we don’t a crybaby backstory for why he does anything he does. He was just evil and insanely passionate about ending life. I’ve called him the stereotype and exception to the Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain, he was just a troublemaker for our heroes to deal with. He was a narrative device for character growth in our cast, like as a kid I saw the Lich as an eviler Ice King.
I’ll point out the similarities and differences in the Ice King and The Lich another time or in another comment here, I’ve rambled long enough. XD
Cool to see you voice my interpretation about the Lich tho, even if it was just coincidental!
Oh I can definitely understand why people liked The Lich at the beginning for sure! He was very compelling whenever he showed up and his presence immediately made things really intense. However, I still think this growth is very compelling because it makes him have more layers of depth, rather than developing our leads, he himself was developed.
@@Kev-D-OG One thing I’ve also interpreted the Lich as, is as an eviler version of Ice King.
They’re both magic users who could fly, even their designs mirrored each other at first. The Lich was even called the Lich King at one point, the real difference between the Lich and Ice King is goal and motivation. Ice king just wanted a wife while Lich wanted to kill everyone, very different evil ranks.
So to have the Lich be a figurative what if scenario for Simon if he never moved on from Betty, I can’t help but feel that was a call back to this unspoken connection between the Lich and Ice King.
When other characters devote their life to appeasing a godlike entity, they're cultists, when the lich does it, he's a simp? Not cool
Spitting
The Lich be like... Notice Me Senpai!
images within images shaped by the mind an unending cycle of loss of context and exemplification of pure but framed essence, it will continue with as many faces as their are memes tangled in the web of our connections
Can we talk about the floating blocks around GOLB? I honestly think those blocks are all variations of the lich who succeeds in his one true goal.
When you think about it, if the lich exist in multiple/all realities, it wouldn’t be too hard to imagine that he succeeded in his goals in a hand full of outcomes.
Plus, We haven’t seen anything else being crafted into one of those blocks and furthermore what purpose would the lich “ the last scholar of GOLB” serve at the end of the line once all life was extinguished?
He was kinda retconned from scholar of Golb to full on disciple of Golb. It also feels strange that Golb now informs his every action instead of guide or inspiration.
Internet always has something garbage out there, why do people instantly think it's simping or whatever, nowdays it's only that, you either are a mega sigma or the "pathetic" simp that everyone now tends to act so cold and consider superior.
Great point
I thought the Lich bit was incredibly cool! A character who has devoted all of his existences to the teachings of Golb..
Like all believers, he expected a reward, Some paradise/chaotic nirvana. But all he received for his devotion was emptiness. So he lashes out and demands an answer from his god..
Exactly! I love the tragedy of the situation and how desperate it made The Lich.
I’m just sick of the lich showing up for a episode and getting killed or foiled in 5 minutes. I did however love seeing him be so devoted to golb
I completely agree!
Wow, to reduce the Lich to being a "simp" is so disrespectful to his character.
Yeah it’s crazy to see.
i think it was a great way to bring back a character long forgotten in the story
Completely agree!
nobody gonna talk about how simon gets hit with a strawberry jar and next scene he is in an ambulance?
Just Betty things 😭
My friend made a point about the time core in prismo’s time cube, how the two clocks represent Finn and the litch and the catalyst comets. Battling throughout time and creating time at the same time.
Oh I love this! Super creative concept!
you NEEDDDD to make a video on the Orphic hymn that the Lich is reciting to Golb, “you scattered the darkness that lay before your eyes and flapping your wings, you whirled about bringing through you, pure light” it seems like there’s a parallel and a new piece of lore about Golb, the Lich or the creation of the multiverse can b inferred
Thanks for clarifying everything that The Lich said in that scene! I made a video previously discussing the latter section of his pleas to GOLB and the scene as a whole, so I'd definitely recommend you give that a look. I'm definitely going to look more into this though for sure!
to me, the only reason why the lich might have thought that killing everything was the right option was because he saw how Golb killed off all of its own creations to create a new technically more chaotic reality.
edit: just a reminder he did mention how his first encounter with life was only with monsters that died in an inferno, then stranded in nothingness, then crashed into earth wiping out a plentiful amount, then only to be revived when there was a nuclear war.
If ending all life did not impress Golb I wonder what else the Lich could do to appease him (besides becoming a floating Lego block).
Maybe nothing would’ve ever appeased him, I feel like causing more chaos would’ve been the best thing, which would definitely be the opposite of death imo
There's a few things to note about how the scenes with the lich played out that point
to further than just the lich being depressed and losing purpose - i think there is more to unpack.
ESPECIALLY the hidden end credits scene of a green cube(The Lich) merging with a red triangle (Golb).
1. As the lich is giving his speech upon Simon entering his 'house' he says basically that he would
have killed them in 'olden days a thousand fold' and even laughs as he is saying it.
He even ignites a flame in his hand but then he is interrupted mid speech, after igniting his hand, presumably by Golb and drops them all and goes back into hibernation - we do not hear
what else he may have said or done and he seems to acknowledge something from whoever is telepathically speaking to him (again probably Golb).
As 'wish magic' transformed Betty into Golb to 'Keep Simon safe' it's likely the command to not kill Simon came from Betty/Golb
rather than indirectly from the lich's depression/apathy and this is what we see at this moment when the lich does not kill Simon/Cake/Fionna.
2. Cake does mention that the lich is depressed but it's possible he is depressed because he has no purpose because Golb has commanded him
to lie dormant - or has not spoken to him since his accomplishment of killing all life.
Or that Cake is just wrong, although this seems unlikely as writers probably are using her dialogue for a reason.
One of the reasons i believe this is because how The Lich questions Golb.
He specifically mentions he achieved his purpose 'in his universe' and goes on to question Golb directly (he's been motivated previously
to cause death and destruction in multiple universes and it seems likely he would do this if he could, and he sure could).
The lich says: "WHY, why must this be?!... What more could i have done.. What do you want from me now!?"
The lich seems to ask this in frustration.
To me this implies that the lich is awaiting further commands from Golb and what Golb "wants from (him) now" and is frustrated in his current situation.
AND i think Golb/Betty replies to him directly.
Golb turns the Lich into one of those geometric shapes, not in anger or frustration (i don't believe Golb has
these emotional reactions) but because it's "what she wants from him now", it is the next stage of her plan.
3. To back up this theory is the end credits scene of the final episode. We see a red triangle (Golb) merging with a green cube (Lich) into an apple with a ribbon,
signifying, at least in my mind, Golb merging with the Lich or all those cubes (could they all be liches or extinct universe liches?) and is probably what we were
beginning to see once Simon was blown back into the multiverse - it's the next stage of Golb's plan.
Tragedy of the Lich, finally succeeds at destroying all life only to enter a state of existential dread where he now has nothing left to do, so rather than killing Simon, Fiona, and Cake he highjacks their spell to commune with his god only to be turned into a block never realizing that his God no longer existed.
Personally, I want some sort of redemption arc for the lich, like the normal one, not sweet p.
Like after realizing that all of his efforts were for nothing and he's depressed and lost purpose, that he'd instead try to find new purpose in his life.
I love this concept! It'd be a great way to further parallel him to Simon.
i hate that idea so sooo much
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The lich is one track minded but people forget that that's built from a place of passion, otherwise he'd never give the speeches people regard him for
His devotion to golb is just part of his driving force and mends into his character motivations, and he's not even completely struck by it because in that very scene he quite literally just shouts at golbettys face to ask it what for now
My head cannon is
Golb isn't evil it is chaos both good and evil.
Golb just random CHAOS
Completely agree!
I'd also like to think that even if GOLB wasn't there, The Lich would still wish to end all life. It's in their being, their very existence, they are the embodiment of the end of all things. He's also a Goober, so ye.
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Maybe Golb is the Nightmare Chaos version of Prizmo? Where Prizmo makes new versions of realities, that live alongside the ones that already exist, maybe Golb takes aspects/concepts from multiple different realities, or even whole realities themselves, and destroys and reforms them into pieces for a new universe that Golb is creating or trying to create?
I like this concept, but I personally think that the only thing that would be a contrast to GOLB would be "The Boss" since Prismo doesn't have the ability to counteract it.
@@Kev-D-OG but if Prizmo is the dream manifestation of the old man, then there has to be a nightmare manifestation as well, not just those things that came out of the old man while Jake jostled him.
The litches character has remained true to how he was in adventure time, people are nuts if they think Fionna and cake ruined him or changed him at all
I think lich just looks up to golb like a cult thing and is drived by the image that he thinks golb sets
when it came to Jerry Lich, I always saw him as a fully realized A.I., he has the emotions of a person and the drive of a machine but he falls into a flaw that A.I. stories should have more of; where does the program end and the person begin? He was quite literally made to be the engine of extinction and he must fulfil this task to its fullest (the machine) but he revels in what he is doing and fully expresses himself (the person) and when he successes in one universe, it didn't fulfil him as a person because all he did was do a task he was charged with and not a goal he chose for himself and with his command completed to 100%, like a simple machine that lives forever having done its job and now remain totally and completely alone, it realizes a question it has "Why don't I feel satisfied?". Now I could never see him choosing anything less than evil when it comes to a life goal for the Lich and had Jerry Lich actually known about the multiverse I'm sure he would have learned all he could to continue as the ceaseless wheel of extinction, but that's neither here nor there.
Here’s how I see it. He is a force of nature with the misinterpretation of what true chaos is believing chaos to be destruction and I like how he’s a villain destined to lose because even when he “wins” he is left with absolutely nothing.
The Lich in episode nine kinda reminds me of mordekaisers lore from league of legends. To summarize Mordekaiser before he became an armored titan was a mortal man, who was described as dying on a mountain of corpses, the reason for that was that he believed that if he did that, then in the afterlife who would get to sit next to the gods of death. Although after dying he found that the afterlife was empty and barren
And that drove him mad, he sacrificed so much to appease some god who didn’t even exist, and so he basically decided that he hated this afterlife and that he would create his own perfect afterlife in a way becoming the god of death.
The Lich is the last scholar of golb and he like mordekaiser can be seen as some religious zealot, all of his actions were to appease some god, who in mords case didn’t exist and in lich’s case most likely didn’t care for, for what is chaos without life. In the end the lich just wanted to know “was it all for naught?” “did I do all this for nothing, have I been striving for a goal that was nonexistent, what truly was my purpose?”
In my opinion it’s a great way to end of the character, he’s not a machine he’s flawed and that’s what made him truly evil, he never once questioned his actions until he learned that they were meaningless.
The true lich were the friends we've annihilated along the way
LMAOOOOO
I thought it was interesting that the lich doesn't want to destroy golb or that he doesn't attempt to kill the entire multiverse
"Order!" - John Bercow
I just think them taking the ONE statement about himself being the last scholar of Golb translating into him being his acolyte is a literary leap, especially considering he included that along with other titles that all imply him being what ends all life, which being the "last" scholar of an omnipotent and omniscient timeless being would also imply.
Seemed to me that Prismo makes the comets, going by the ending bit with him and Scarab. The comets' natures are the "themes" he works with, such as "true heroics" likely meaning Finn.
When the Lich got depressed I was thoroughly entertained. Seeing an other worldly being suffer like human is just pleasant. I big 'ole "How do you [the Lich] like it [depression]?"
i never thought i'd see a video with a title being "The Lich Isn't A Simp. "
LMAOOOOOOO
What I don’t like about the Lich anymore is that he isn’t anymore the embodiment of The End. I’m fine with him having a personality. He is also dedicated enough to throw everything away for that one goal, which I would consider machine-like. Machines can have personality. The difference between us and machines is that machines are tools to carry out a given function while we are “ends to ourselves”.
However, this new direction doesn’t show he is truly dedicated to destruction. He is dedicated to Golb, and these two things are definitely not the same. If the Lich thought Golb wanted all life to be preserved he would have gone in a completely different direction. And because he is willing to do anything to just appease Golb he is simping. Only at the end, after how many years, does he realize that there is no satisfaction in what he accomplished. In other words the Lich is now a fraud. He claimed to be The End when he was not. This causes massive damage to his character.
Holy crap, you perfectly described exactly what was on my mind. I think the reasons why I liked the direction they went with the lich is the same reasons why people didn’t like the way they treated him in f&c. They gave him a motive which imo, is almost always a smart move when developing a character. That’s also one of the reasons why I didn’t care much for the scarab in the series. Plus it also shows the absolute insane strength Golb has compared to the biggest menace of adventure time
The lich received the worst punishment of all, turning into Tetris
Just wait until the blocks line up, he'll vanish 😂
I see it as thanos and lady death, But I don’t see the lich as a simp but more like gorr at the beginning of Thor love and thunder. except his god killed him.
Yeah I definitely think it was more focused on devotion rather than any romance whatsoever.
The lich just misunderstands his gods purpose, he worships a god of chaos and brings stagnation, no wonder he felt nothing, There was nothing left to change. He has imperfect knowledge, it’s why he failed.
Me: *Appears out of portal*
LMAOOOOO. It's all love bro. Love what you do for the community.
@@Kev-D-OGIt's all good, awesome analysis video. Though I personally don't like the new direction THERE IS SYMBOLISM AND TRAITS behind the decision.
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What are your thoughts on GOLBetty's last appearance? do you think she turned into the butterfly and GOLB is just... Gone?
So I'm actually working on that video as I'm typing this! There's just so much to talk about and it has me so curious to see what other people have to think!
@@Kev-D-OG I've seen reasonable arguments and some out there arguments:
Reasonable:
- She Reincarnated into a Butterfly after 'saving' Simon from his own thoughts and GOLB returned to his normal form
-GOLBetty temporarily turned into a Butterfly to make sure Simon was okay when he returned.
- She has become something else but we don't know yet.
Out There:
- GOLB is actually both Chaos and Order and can switch between the two, and that's what is happening
- GOLBetty turns into the calamity comet that eventually became Finn's reincarnation line
In my opinion seeing Lich geting deprest Becouse he done his porpuse just doesn't feel right to me
I dunno why
Man did everything to end all life and then he became deprest
It just doesn't feel like the Lich to me
The Lich was evil Becouse he was simply evil
That was the point
If the Lich is no longer evil then what is he...?
I feel like its the most unexpected thing ever personally, that the Lich who has been a ruthless and unshakable entity of evil for all this time and my childhood, so sure of who he is and what he must do could become depressed at the loss of his one reason for existing when the answer from his god was nothing but an eternity of silence on a dead world.
Its like under his mask of being an eldritch entity, proclaiming himself as the last scholar of Golb The Lich is no different from Finn, as simply a reincarnate of the comet he came to Earth as, and being bound to the planet for all his lifetimes as some have pointed out in some religions to be a punishment for godly beings to grow wiser and repent until they can break free with their own attained knowledge.
But instead of forsaking his earthly shackles The Lich basically does whatever it takes to keep living and fullfill his purpose across basically all his incarnations, even now more than ever when he's seeded himself in all realities.
So now we have our old Lich from the original universe who comes to finally question his existence and purpose beyond Golb, only to be met by the same silence and an even crueler eternal imprisonment.
And Sweet Pea who was finally given the chance to reincarnate into a new life and experience love and he chooses in being reminded of his heritage to denounce it to be a hero.
Its really fascinating now thinking of how many of the other Liches will reach this inevitable conclusion and loss of purpose if they ever do manage to kill all life in the multiverse.
Will there be more "Good" liches like Sweet Pea?
Will all that remains double down on their mission even if they are made aware of its ending?
I always had this idea as a kid that the Lich could just also kill himself to complete the goal of total oblivion if he could only attain enough power to secure that final victory.
Though now that I think about it it would be awesome irony if said Lich would then reach the same dilemma, and maybe being the last thing in existance and possibly the most power over reality, he would be even more maddened and maybe unable to erase himself.
The lich strove for purpose and admited to Golb upon completing his so called purpose, it brought him no satisfaction in the end which parallels to Simons depression with life. He is a zealot none of the less
Honestly it's fascinating that lich tried to understand chaos when chaos is not something that's really meant to be understood. I actually like the idea that Golb isn't necessarily good or evil he's just exists and acts. Sure he has destroyed worlds and other things and he can be a problem when left unchecked but theirs this lack of actual malice to him that he just exists to be chaotic in nature. Lich was so caught up in his purpose it never crossed his mind that if his god really wanted to destroy all life that he could have done it in a easier faction. Think about it Golb could have either done it Itself or just give the lich more power to do so but it didn't. My theory or conclusion if you will is Golb simply doesn't want life destroy since it's chaos. Golb once attacked mars but instead of destroying it he just kills magic man wife which eventually created more chaos through magic man existence and eventually allowing him to go on a arc to become good after becoming such a jerk. In many ways golbs actions also seem to thrive off Change since change can be chaotic. If the lich destroys all life it brings nothing but order things become empty. Theirs no chaos no change things just become static which is the exact opposite of what Golb as a entity exists or thrives from.
To me Golb is also like a baby and babies aren't evil or good their just pure and when a baby wants something they just act. When a baby puts a bug in their mouth their not necessarily doing it because their hungry or like to destroy but just act on impulse.
So at the end of the day I like the interpretation that the Lich just never understood Golb and doesn't even act in the way that will ever satisfy himself or Golb. If anything theirs a air tragedy that the Lich doesn't know anything but destruction and death and only exists to cause death. The lich of his own freewill won't change thus becoming nothing more then a static entity. The thought of change probably never even occurred in the lich mind in all honesty.
I stand by what I said earlier of even if the lich succeed he being doomed to fail is super fitting since it like the universe or the mutiverse is punishing him for being one note and trying to understand chaos and death as the same thing when in reality death is not chaos.
The actual definition of chaos is "complete disorder and confusion". Death is not chaos is just one end point and ultimately that is why the lich fails which is equal part fitting and fascinating.
his devotion to golb makes perfect sense. golb is essentially his god, and just like religious people irl are devoted to their god, the lich is devoted to his
Exactly!
So, the Lich is often described as a machine who is singular in purpose. I have a theory. When the Lich was the evil Catalyst Comet he was a machine, he didn't care about satisfaction or anything beyond his purpose, but when he attained a form in order to further his purpose, he slowly attained emotions a sense of self. He started caring about personal satisfaction like any other person would. In order to further destruction, he made himself human and it backfired on him.
I think people were calling the Lich a simp here as a joke. 😂
I can only hope so
weird, i always sorta interpreted the green cubes that are always shown around golb as being part of himself. i mean, they're always just sorta there. if the lich and finn both came from catalyst comets, and he accomplished his goal (which, by the by, was only really done just before when BMO blew himself up), and the lich is unhappy that he no longer has purpose than why not simply... reabsorb the lich? golb can do something else with whatever makes the lich up spiritually (like, say, another catalyst comet) and the lich is no longer suffering. so far as golb is concerned, that's just a win-win situation.
alternatively, prismo and his peers show us that despite the multiverse there are only ever one version of themselves. this likely extends to golb. perhaps this is the fate of every version of the lich throughout the multiverse as they finally manage to confront their idol. kinda funny if golb made the comet. like, imagine sucking so bad at making your dad happy that he just turns every version of you throughout the multiverse into a tetris block
The lich was literally preying to Golb. He clearly views Golb as a religious type figure. To be honest, calling this "simping" feels like a terminally online take.
Also, out of curiosity, whats wrong with power scaling terms? As someone who likes comparing characters power, ive never really like using power scaling terms, but im curious what you've got against them
I'm going to say this life with out a purpose is worse that death
The word "simp" is so abused, these days. Anyone who just does something nice for someone else or isn't a complete psychopath to the other people in their lives are accused of "simping for them" which is absurd. It's not "simping" to devote yourself to someone... it's fucking "devotion." And devoting yourself can be a good thing or a bad thing, and sometimes it can be BOTH (Like with Simon and Betty)
Completely agree! You hit the nail on the head.
WTF do people cant understand tridimensional character for gods sake, this is "PB is bad" all over again
REAL
I wouldn't say he's simping for golb because it's true, I'd say it because it sounds funny
Well, I think it was interesting to figure out. He was depressed and all this, but it makes sense that was his purpose. His purpose was distinct life doesn’t make him a Sim doesn’t make him anything when you did your job and you have nothing else to do just walk, lonely world, or if you have no purpose, life is boring. The secret of life is living to figure out what your purpose of your life it’s not meant for you to do your purpose. You’re just here to figure out what your purpose is because once you do your purpose, then you feel like you wanna die you don’t wanna live anymore, but because of he can’t die, he has mortality and cosmic being that done everything and did all purpose. They don’t care about life as valuable like us, because the whole point of living is to find the secret of life if you know the secret of life then you won’t be living or we will be living but you would you just hate your Nana, good existence and about the part no it’s not simple just put it like this. He thinks that that cosmic being it’s like the devil and the antichrist is the antichrist and the devil is this cosmic being so yeah he’s gonna worship the evil being that you know, Nikhil worlds are destroy universe and all that.
A simp is he did all that for affection, what he did was for purpose, it's more like the gorr or ultron scene in marvel, you complete you objective, waiting for a feeling of accomplishment, but feel nothing, hear nothing, you begin to feel empty, lonely
Mr. Death: “So Finn, ready to settle into the 37th?”
*Finn looks over at Jake*
*Jake smiles and gives a thumbs up*
*Finn gets a look of uncertainty on his face*
“Yeah about that, Jake when you left, I kind of freaked out, it was the worst thing to ever happen to me”
“Oh come on you still had plenty of other things to live for right?”
“Yeah but deep down, I just kept waiting for the day I would finally see you again”
*Jake looks down at the ground with a frown on his face and says in a sad depressing voice “oh”*
*Finn takes a deep breath in*
“Mr. Death, I want to go back”
*Mr. Death nods his head and snaps his fingers*
*A portal opens behind Finn and Jake and they briefly glance at it*
As Jake playfully punches Finn Jake says: “Proud of you bro”
As Finn kneels down to pick up Jake and hug him Finn says: “thanks bro”
*Jake starts to glow and shape into a star as he floats up*
“You’ll be ready for the 50th before you know it, go back there and live that best life”
*Finn looks up as he smiles at Jake then walks away to the portal and steps through it*
*As Finn walks through the portal Jake starts to hold back tears and turns back into his normal dog form*
*Jake falls next to Mr. Death*
*Jake with tears in his eyes runs after Finn*
Mr. Death says: “No wait, ah I’m not your mom”
*Finn now flying through the portal to be incarcerated with a smile on his face*
“I wonder what life’s going to turn me into this time?”
*Finn feels a hand grab his wrist, he looks over*
“Jake?! What are you doing, I just had my Adonkin epiphany.”
“I know, I’m just coming back for fun, because it’s great being alive with you”
*Finn grows a smile on his face and tears up and sniffles*
“Hahahaha, Good reason”
*Fist bump*
- Jake and Finn together forever.
So if the Litch got turned into a tetris cube is that the same as Margels being eaten by Golb? Like is the litch hand still in every dimension or is he gone everywhere forever????
This title isn’t a sentence I thought I’d ever read
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The flaw with a lot of context now is people want to essentially click bait their argument. However, it does create a lot of misconstrued text. Not many people are devoted to tasks only self recognition. I know i sound like an old man wagging his finger. There definitely a need for people to clarify the context rather than fold to ones diction.
I definitely agree! People try to simplify so many things to make it easy to understand, but usually that limits people’s perspectives.