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“Sit back” is the worst cue for a conventional deadlift
Eddie Hall disagrees, but what does he know right
@@Northern85Star he always gets into proper position after he sits back so he doesn't really "sit back"
@@daniroadto900lbsdeadlift4 ... which is the point of sitting back. So therefore we critique someones conventional form by comparing it to sumo. Smart men
@@Northern85Star ye but he doesn’t do that.He tells you to do that but he himself doesn’t do it that way.
There’s a name for this I can remember off the top of my head,where you show/describe a technique,but when you actually go to do it you do it a different way.
Sit back but not too much...
“Now let’s see Paul Allen’s deadlift”
American Normal Guy
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fax he rly does look like bateman
So glad this meme has lived on
I just fucking watched da movie😭❗️
ok, but you doing sumo DL while explaining whats wrong with his conventional DL form doesn't really help with the confusion.
The hip placement is more or less the same across sumo and conventional. I think you already know that
It only causes confusion if you are an idiot. The deadlift style doesn't change the fact it is a hip hinge movement.
I’m a noob and I have no clue what any of this means. I do mine like the C4 cellucor or whatever guy said. Why is this wrong? I have no idea.
@@fabiangonzalez-cortes8894 if your hips are so low that it looks like you are sitting then you are most likely not engaging the right muscles. You need to have a lot of tension by pushing your hips back further and really engaging your hamstrings. If you are untrained/new to lifting, this can feel very uncomfortable and almost like your hamstring is too tight. But over time, like every exercise, it becomes easier and the muscle gets stronger and more accustomed to it. Check out a deadlift guide from someone like Allan Thrall or Omarisuf
It’s about the hips. Sumo or conventional format doesn’t matter because your hips are still moving in the same fashion
As soon as you hear “sit back” on a deadlift video, run away
Is better to avoid lower back pain
@@botzaca0023 it would actually cause lower back pain
@@KM-iv9xy nope
I saw the C4 shorts and immediately knew what was coming
@@KM-iv9xy No, the more vertical you are, the less you are engaging the low back, it would be less overall stress on the back, if he leaned forward more, it would be more overall stress...
Love how everyone in the lifting community argues over everything with no context.
Makes it hard for novices to filter information too
This kind of stuff messed me up in the early 2000s. Squat feet straight ahead completely upright without leaning over at all was another one I could never manage.
Early on I got that squat advice from an incredibly jacked trainer in the gym (obviously I'm gonna take his advice, the guy is huge and squatting like 500 lbs right?).
Within weeks I'd hurt my hips so badly that I couldn't squat for over a month. People have different anthropometry, there's no one way to squat, and if you're not ACTUALLY qualified to give advice on a subject maybe don't?
squatting with my feet at an angle has been a game changer for me.
Yeah that's just use the hack Squat now. Literally must have gone to a few personal trainers to get Squat form right but always hurt my lower back. Doing hacks has really helped keep pressure on the legs and not the back
@@George-nv1ri I feel it/hurt my knees when squatting.
I only “hurt”(not really hurting my back but muscles getting tight in my lower right back) my back when deadlifting
@@doctordeath2551 yes I also had knee pain to begin with, you need yo strengthen legs up before squatting heavy and also get your hamstrings strong. Deadlifts imo will always put some pressure on your lower back, I've tried them many ways and never fully stops that feeling I your lower back. They are a great excersise but I can see deadlifting fucking my back up long term even with good form
The biomechanical points you made sounded interesting but unfortunately I just don't think 1 minute is a long enough time for you to fully explain them. Would be interesting to see a longer video on it
chris duffin has tons of extremely in depth deadlift videos and is one of the most technically proficient and strong people on the planet check him out
@@purplejerry1 Will do, thanks for the recommendation!
So is eric bugenhagen. He teaches jujimufu in juji's deadlift video with him
@@purplejerry1 it's a wedge goddamit lol
Starting Strength - Edition 3. Has a whole chapter on the deadlift and form considerations with the biomechanics etc. well worth the money!
TikTok works exactly as quote retweets
I really don't see the problem in squatting the deadlift up. More better for your back. The guy in the video doesn't state why the form is bad, but that you will lift less.
@@joys8634 I do think that form is a bit incorrect but that's not the point
If he thinks it's not a good form, then he should make a deadlift tutorial, put some good effort in his stuff.
If he's worried that other people may adopt what the other guy is teaching, then he should do videos giving cues that cover those issues someone else may be lacking.
Is all the same, people are gonna watch the video anyway.
This trend of going around trashing other people's videos putting themselves above the rest is so petty, not surprising at all though
@@Maxi_Jano but the OP does lots of videos showing tutorial. His entire channel is that.
@@AnthonyMazzarella no he doesn't, and you know it
@@Maxi_Jano yes he does and you know it.
When I deadlift I have a really high hip position but it feels really strong for me. Start position really comes down to your own personal leverages. Love your content!
yep, my hips starting high too :)
Starting Strength has the best advice on deadlifts
That's called the AthleanX deadlift. Everything falls apart when he adds a couple more plates.
If he truly follows AthleanX then he will also use fake plates. Then he can keep the same form no problem.
Not if those plates are fake. *taps forehead* 🧠
Comments like these are killing your gains!!
Athlean X does not deadlift like that.
@@austing7254 yes he does bud. His hips start too low because he thinks it's a stronger starting position for his back, but then under maximal loads his spine starts to flex and his hips shoot up mid lift.
I love all the people trying to say that "all the strongmen use this form" when they actually don't. Easy to spot beginners when they're unable to notice at what position a lifter is in when the lifting actually commences.
Yea they clearly start off their lifts in a squat to brace the weight, something I started doing to find my leverages, and then correctly pull using hinge form
Most of the strongman use deadlift suit. The suit will stretch more when you sit back.
Strongmen also do it cause they're superheavyweights and it's a good way to activate the lats when you can't fit between your legs.
There’s several elite lifters that do use the squat technique though. Eddie Coan used it, Eric Lillibridge used it as well, and Konstantin Konstantinovs to an extent as well. Leverages are really person dependent, so having a one size fits all approach doesn’t seem to be the best approach imo.
@@juvedoo99 Lol, they're not initiating the lift like the exaggerated position the guy in this video is suggesting, at all.
I got a little bit angry when I was trying to help a woman to do deadlifts at the gym, and the supposed instructor AND I think owner of the gym came up ad gave this shitty advice to her, to squat the damn deadlift. I just sat back and thought to myself: "well, I'll just keep doing what I know and ignore everyone else, unfortunately... I'm still young, but I know a few things, but c'mon, a guy that got a degree on PE saying such things makes my blood boil lol
Most people and trainers give damaging advice. Enjoy the car crash and realize It izzz what it izzz
@@the_ogre_lord5654 especially when you're built like the average "personal trainer"
You should have asked the instructor why he think it's a good idea to squat the weight so the hips shot up and creates two separate movements. I bet his ego would implode.
I guess if they just put on college videos like Alan Thrall's tutorials on how to dealift, and the catch phrase "DO NOT MOVE THE BARBELL"... the whole fitness industry would have less people doing shitty things at the gym like that
The first part of the video made me cringe. Also your sumo deadlift form is great. But shouldnt your knees locking out be last or at least at the same time when your tallest in the lift? I.e your back and knees locking out at the same time.
Bro been deadlifting since 84 you are 100% correct! Been a powerlifter for about 35yrs I know a bit about it! Back when being a gym rat was un cool.
It’s cause back in the day people figured being in the gym everyday was a waste of time and wanted you to contribute in like blue collar work instead. Nowadays you can make a living being a gym rat online so the whole gym culture has changed drastically.
I remember seeing a video of Stan Efferding deadlifting. One mental cue he suggested was to think of the lift a little like a standing leg press as well as a pull. When I deadlift and imagine trying to push my feet through the floor I feel a lot stronger. (Btw I agree with Matt, this guy's advice isn't good).
I would also recommend imaging you are pushing through the heels and driving your feet back given you are mostly using the posterior chain provided those mechanics
@@noahsibahi-jackson8757 agreed
I honestly thought he was gonna clean the weight instead of deadlift it
what is wrong with the form though. you sh33p haven't said anything
@@joys8634 take your meds sperg
@@joys8634 It doesn’t actually work. As soon as weights get heavy he won’t be able to get the bar off the floor in that starting position.
Oly-lifters don't pull from that position.
@@Jeneric81well good thing Olympic lifters aren't cleaning anything close to their deadlift now, huh?
I did this form he gave, I fell backwards
I deadlifted using the form hafthor uses and pulled 405 for a few reps afterwards
@Matt Thor doesn't sit back and stay there. It's just a setup for him. He sits back, raises his hips up and then drives up with the bar. Eddie hall does the same. HUGE difference between their's and sadik's pull.
They do that because they’re so tall that’s why, you can’t expect to pull the same as a guy who’s 6’9”
Thor also squats his deadlifts pretty much
@@lmc5955 I mean haack also pulls that way
I'd say it's more the way an even arm leg upper body ratio person pulls
@@sng3939 No, he doesn't. Watch his back angle when the bar actually starts moving upwards.
Literally the second I saw him I thought “this guys about to give some terrible advice”. I have no idea how I knew, not a clue, but I could just tell 💀
It depends on your goals I think. You see a lot of weightlifters dropping their hips way low for deadlifts as that is the form they typically use when doing the snatch and clean and jerk.
Ya, but that’s a niche case of deadlifting, not really good general advice
@@mattvena226 and to add to this that’s not “deadlifting”. Just because the weight is on the ground doesn’t mean it’s a deadlift. The clean and jerk or snatch is a different lift than a deadlift.
@@vicenteochoa6498 I think you misunderstand, I'm not claiming cleans or snatches are deadlifting. I am pointing out that how weightlifters deadlift is typically done with low hips to train for cleans and snatches.
@@a.julian3770 It’s important to keep in mind that weightlifters also train the clean and snatch pulls w/ a extended spine which requires submaximal weights. This is not good pulling form for cleans or snatches either.
@@a.julian3770 I think I'm more appropriate term for that would be called a clean pull.
I also noticed that his position was great for the first pull of a clean but I highly doubt that to he's teaching
Bro you forgot the music
sad sax music
Sad sax music
Honestly, I prefer your videos without the music. I personally do not like the tik tok style videos and I think usually the music drowns out your voice and message.
I prefer it without the music. Feels less like TikTok, which is *always* a good thing.
Ay also what happened to you putting the weight up on the screen too?
I don’t know who to take seriously. The bodybuilder who squats his deadlifts or the skinny powerlifter who pulls sumo.
There’s nothing wrong with pulling sumo, btw I pull conventional because that’s what’s easier for my body
"The skinny powerlifter" that deadlifts more than you and the goof in the video, combined probably, conventional or sumo.
He also pulls 7 plates conventional lol. So maybe listen to him.
Go to squat university, they have it right, neither of these do it correctly
@@n7pako367 squat university lolol
The most important part about increasing your deadlift is to train all the constituents separately as well. If you only deadlift to increase your results, it doesn't matter much how you position yourself. You'll reach your natural peak execution and that's it. Once you train the separate aspects on their own, you'll find your optimal position.
A longer video on this would be so useful
I deadlift with the tighter form like guy you clipped had shown. I feel it less on my back. I guess there are other factors such as body type. I’m more stocky, so I don’t really get the benefit of a wider stance and a higher hip without getting the back involved.
He's really only explaining what way to pull is better for him and treating it as a one size fits all. His explanation isn't bad or even necessarily wrong, but it's not the best way for everybody
You feel it less in your back because you're not using your back. The guy in the first clip is "squatting the deadlift". Deadlifting is a hip hinge excercise and you're supposed to feel it in your back. You'll never be able to move as much weight by squatting the deadlift.
@@faintedmemo not everyone lifts to move a lot of weight. The guy from the clip is a bodybuilder not a powerlifter.
@@cimi93x clown
@@cimi93x you dont deadlift when bodybuilding thats not a good excuse. at most romanian deadlift is used by body builders but not deadlifts because there are better alternatives for hypertrophy that aren't as fatiguing.
I’m a weightlifter so when I teach a deadlift (clean pull), I cue butt down as the man suggested. Regardless of where your butt starts, you will only be able to break the bar from the floor once your shoulders are at least in line with the bar. Therefore starting with your butt low means you will always put as little pressure on your back as possible. I realize for maximum weight powerlifting this is not ideal, but I disagree this is bad form for most people just trying to get strong with the least risk of injury.
1) Starting with your butt (too) low means you will inevitably exert unnecessary energy getting yourself to the actually demanded hip height to break a sufficiently heavy bar off the floor and risk throwing yourself off position/balance in the process.
2) This has nothing to do with injury risk and you sure as shit won't reduce that risk by making your movements unnecessarily inefficient.
3) "As little pressure on your back as possible" is a strange goal while doing an exercise that clearly targets the back (and for good reason). Is sitting on a sofa a safer way to deadlift, too? It sure puts much less "pressure" on your back.
@@canererbay8842 As I explained in my original comment, doing a "clean deadlift" will not allow you to deadlift the maximum weight possible if that is your goal as a powerlifter. However, it does minimize the stress on your lumbar spine by virtue of lowering the moment on your back, which lowers the risk of injury.
For most people, who are not competitive powerlifters, I think it makes sense to do "clean deadlifts" because conventional deadlifts are needlessly risky.
Exactly, he's teaching clean pull. It's a perfectly fine way of deadlifting. Just not for powerlifters.
@@youngKOkid1 You didn't explain anything. You just made uneducated assumptions and claims.
1) You don't need to be a competitive powerlifter to want to do an exercise efficiently and "maximum weight possible" is not an unworthy extreme. There are smart ways to reduce the absolute load on the bar for *load management* purposes and they include pauses, tempos, lack of belt/sleeves/wraps/whatnot etc. "Squatting your deadlift" is not one of them.
2) It does not shorten the moment arm on the spine. If anything, it lengthens it because you're sitting back and putting the load further away from you in the front. Anyway, a sufficiently heavy bar will make sure the hips are at a proper height and shoulders are over or just in front of the bar (if you don't want to scrape the shit out of your shins along the way) at the moment of lift-off whether you want it or not. This is apparent in weightlifters, too. Look closely and you'll see hips rising before the bar leaves the floor if they set up by sitting back. That set-up may be a good way for a given lifter for other reasons (cues, ritual etc).
3) You have no idea what you're talking about on injury risk. Deadlift is a perfectly safe exercise and powerlifting is a much safer sport than most other popular sports. It has nothing to do with the absolute length of the moment arm on the spine or the "pressure on the back".
@@Gilgamesh827 I highly doubt he even knows what a clean pull is. He's just teaching an inefficient deadlift and no, it's not a perfectly fine way of deadlifting, for powerlifters or anyone else (unless there's some unusual specific reason for a given person). Clean pull is a different exercise that requires the bar to be further in front than in a deadlift and it requires a different movement pattern for the knees among other things.
I'd like to see him pull a serious weight with that technique, great leg finisher with 5 second eccentric on a leg day, but you're not moving serious weight. Also takes away from the whole point of a deadlift being a posterior chain movement, and the lower weight removes a lot of the systemic load you should receive from the proper movement.
Dont forget Sadic is a bodybuilder. Hes not looking for heavy hes looking for GOLD. If this style gives him results it works for him. The guy picking apart his lift is a powerlifter.
@@prstation1363 yeah but he is turning a pretty good hamstring, glute, and spinal erector movement into a shitty quad movement. If you wanna get some good quad work in go squat, lunge, or do leg extensions.
Yes! Finally someone who understands this,thank you so much.
The advice given in the video is absolutely good advice for the deadlift - especially for a deadlift that is as safe as possible. Sitting back, getting your body weight behind the bar, driving with your legs, not letting your hips rise first, driving through with your hips - all solid cues, and you should listen to the first guy in the clip.
No on everything
That dude has some good flexibility making that look so smooth
Most people in this comment section are just salty they can’t get that low so easily. He has a very athletic deadlifting style
@@roderickclerk5904 except no good deadlifter has ever pulled like that. It's inefficient. I pull mid 800s and pulling with that form I'd probably max around 600. Defeats the purpose of the lift in the first place; to train the posterior chain. Only athletes you'll ever see pull like that are olympic weightlifters, but they're training for carry over to their specific competition lifts, not to jack up their posterior chain or build a bigger and stronger deadlift.
@@bloatmax4420 In football and baseball we do barbell lifts to help out general athleticism not finding the best leverages to lift the most weight. Our S/C coach doesn’t allow crazy arching because the bench should be an arm exercise primarily (we still had 12 guys benching 315).
When we squat we squat upright, ATG which put more emphasis on the feet/calves for balance (still had 10 guys squatting 500 junior year).
When we deadlift/powerclean we get down in a lower position putting more emphasis on the legs (still had 7 guys deadlifting 600 junior year).
Could these have been higher, maybe. Could we have had more guys lifting higher weight, maybe. I would say in general our football and baseball teams were pretty strong even though our barbell training didn’t revolve around absolute numbers. We had very little injuries during the season and almost no non contact injuries. And we had very good athletes and a lot of players that played after highschool. So our strength program did its job
@@roderickclerk5904
'the bench should be an arm exercise' HAHAHAHAHAHHAH
I was once deadlifting like that "squat technique", i always had pain in my lower back.
I use to squat deadlift aswell. I stopped when I plateaued at 315. I believe the best deadlift form is by "barbell medicine" After I changed my form I hit 365.
I have the opposite experience. I do a pretty squatty deadlift because I get lower back pain when doing it with a bigger hip hinge.
He basically described a more seated back clean pull
Yup
No he didn't 😂
This is the proper way of a clean deadlift he only needs to shrug at the end
Excellent breakdown using physics to explain the need to bring the hips closer to the bar in an effort to minimize the moment arm.👌
If it wasn’t Sadik, a well known Olympian competitor, I would have believed this video.
I also learned the hard way that it's not the best way to deadlift. I had deadlifted with heavy hip hinge for years... and when I had to start "squatting my deadlift" in order to make my deadlift numbers transfer to cleans and snatches, I noticed that it feels so weak. I think he might have got the idea through some kind of chinese whisper that it would be a good idea for everyone, regardless of their goals, sport or background.
Mark Rippetoe grows a darker shade of pink each time this video is viewed.
This comment honestly needs way more likes
@@AnthonyMazzarella lol agreed
I think the reason why there is so much differing opinion on lifting forms and talking through each other's points is because people forget that there are different reasons for weightlifting. Some forms are better for building muscle and some are better for lifting maximum amount of weight. There will be drawbacks to each form, some will be safer biomechanically speaking but it depends on your goal. Before following whoever's advice on lifting make sure you know the goal of the lift. Most importantly is to work your way gradually to each increase in weight and make sure your body feels comfortable bearing whatever the lift.
Great genetics+PED usage allows for an astonishing amount of "I don't know what I'm talkin about but look great".
Haha you took the words out of my mouth.
I mean Eddie Hall says to "drop the hips" too & I think taking advice from one of the top guys is never a bad idea. Honestly though, in my opinion I think both ways are correct, it depends on your goals. Are you looking to pull as much weight as you possibly can? Or are you focusing on the actual hip hinge movement from more of a hypertrophy point of view?
Eddie Hall has a very rare body structure tho than 99,99% of people, very tall, very wide hips and very heavy. Makes sense for him do use that cue but for a normal guy? I m not Sure about that...
Sitting on the deadlift is for giant 400lb strongest men in the world, not for average plebs.
@@johnnyp.601 But that's why there's ape index to worry about and to take into account, personally I have long arms, so I can basically "sit back", just depends on anatomy and your body
@@johnnyp.601 Eddie Hall isn’t tall in relation to his overall size - just shy of 6ft3
If you look at Eddie's lift and freeze frame when the bar actually starts moving you will notice his hips are way higher.
I do this with a hex bar for my legs actually. I like to think of it as 70% legs 30% back so mostly legs
That’s common knowledge and you can only do it on the hex bar because of where the weight is distributed. Hex gives you more freedom of starting position, you’re standing in the middle of it so you can sit low and just stand straight up. Can be 70-30 legs back, 50-50 whatever you want. Conventional has the bar in front and so there’s a much smaller acceptable range
He's mixing a weird "if you even use your lower back properly you die deadlift=leg press" broscience combined with olympic lifter deadlifting
In olympic lifting you have to be slightly forward over the bar though, not back
There's nothing olympic lifting about this
@@Ultradude604 there is. Hips starting parallel
@@DaanSnqn no on or behind the bar who thaught you that
@creatine addict True, it's concerning how many people jump on steroids before they even learn how to lift and they do pretty much everything in the gym wrong thinking they do everything right. I see all the time people who are as big as myself or slightly bigger and doing all kinds of crazy shit and I've been lifting natty for 11 years.
Matt is the Og of lifting for all of us to get the education we need!!
I like the sumo version it target the lats well. The standard deadlift target the traps, lats, and quads.
Seems like he's doing more of a clean pull, which like you said engages the quads and allows for lower absolute weight.
That would be a horredous clean pull, the dude trying to deadlift is just plain wrong
@@dennisnordlund902 Lol it is the perfect first pull in the clean. okay lol
@@bakotako no, a clean pull you want to have your shoulders over the bar, keeping your back angle the same until you're past the knee. The knees want to almost straighten when the bar is at the knee. From that point you want to then begin to aggressively make your back angle vertical, while rebending your legs slightly (which is unconcious and happens on it's own with good technique), then forcefully extend the legs and hip the moment you contact the bar and shrug.
This guy just squatted a deadlift
@@o-neil i know what you are saying but ive seen it both ways from oly lifters.
@@bakotako you got an example? I'd be curious to see. In some countries they do have different training methodologies
I mean, the first kind of deadlift is formally called clean pull, which is specific to Olympic weightlifting. Both forms are right. It depends on your goals.
A deadlift and a clean pull are completely different movements, what he does isn't close to a clean pull. He's performing a deadlift, just with weird form.
A clean pull in weightlifting would have him lifting the bar past his waist line. Like in this video: th-cam.com/video/1WuSiyM-knI/w-d-xo.html
The fact that you got 24 like proves why gym bro logic will never die
Nah bro, the Olympic weightlifters sit back down, but as the weight starts to move, their hips will also shoot upwards, unlike this guy who chooses to keep his hips low the entirety of the rep
Clean pull is deadlift plus pull deadlift is just deadlift or clean deadlift snatch deadlift
Bro as a former athlete I agree more on the squatting deadlift/ trap bar deadlift more than vena’s advice simply because how much back soreness it accrues
I litterally couldn’t stand that along with practicing every day
Or option c they both are right depending on what someone is trying to achieve, and what will work better for an individuals body type… 💪🏽🤓👍🏽
What's wrong with targeting your quads more in deadlift?
Could this be beneficial for hypertrophy purposes?
That's a clean pull
No, it is not.
@@Jeneric81explain
@@joeberger3441 This is not a clean pull. Watch weightlifters when a heavy clean comes off the ground
@@Jeneric81 ah good point..ok, so it's a clean deadlift then. Correct? Without getting nitpicky, it seems awfully close to a clean pull without the jump+shrug at the end. Which if I'm not mistaken is technically a "clean deadlift" as defined in most exercise libraries
@@joeberger3441 No, because you can’t deadlift this way. When you see weightlifters squat down before a clean it’s just a setup thing. Their hips go up again until they’re in a proper position.
I see what you're saying, I have to say tho sitting back like a squat can help you to get even tighter and get more leg drive. Martins Licis just sit back like that, and he got an over 900lbs deadlift.
edit: it was at the rogue invitational a few days ago, you can find it on the rogue TH-cam channel.
Yeah even the guy that made this video made a generalization. Also Olympic lifting are almost kissing the floor with their butts before the lift begins. Obviously if you’re hitching or it feels uncomfortable then it’s not the form for you
don’t copy strongmen. they are incredibly heavy and usually can’t deadlift with ‘proper’ form because their leverages get compromised by such heavy bodyweight
@@noah92930 pls look up adam bishop and oleksii novikov, both of them have nearly perfect deadlifts.
@@homelander98 Well that's not true. Starting too low in both snatch and c&j will cause the butt to shoot up first, which is an error. There are lifters (even elite ones) lifting like that, but in general that's not considered good form in weightlifting. Depending on leverages, the ideal starting position (if we suppose all else is set up properly) would be at or slightly above parallel.
Martins doesn’t actually begin lifting from that position, he’ll rock the bar into himself as part of his set up but if you watch closely when he begins lifting the bar he’s in a more forward position.
Matt, do you really think i was going to listen to a guy wearing c4 shorts? I don’t think so
Sadly, the first time I did a 400-pounds deadlift was exactly like this, squatting the weight. I bragged about it for 3 months until I get an actual coach to see my form. Save to say, he humbled me for the next 1 year of my life. I am curious to meet the coach of the guy in the video.
Hitting a 400 pound deadlift while squatting it is lowkey impressive tho. Puts you at a disadvantage
I think there's nothing wrong with the 'sit back' cue. There really isn't such a thing as 'squatting your deadlift'. The weight placement alone causes torque on the hips at a different angle, thus resulting in different muscle activity. I think people screw up more by trying to make the deadlift and squat dramatically different forms, when its really just a matter of slight differences in knee and hip angles. Most new people have hips too high and backs too horizontal when deadlifting anyways. Sitting back helps people drive into the floor and almost pull thier hips in closer to the bar.
Still inefficient for targeting the muscle
Exactly what I was saying when I first saw his clip! I remember Eddie Hall saying how trash it was to “sit in the chair”. I think I’ll listen to the 4 year record holding 500 kg deadlifter. 😂
He literally did the 500 kilo with that form tho🤔
Telling people wrong advice so they don’t break his record maybe
@@harrysmith8090 no he did not use that form since his hips rise up into proper position Before the bar even leaves the ground
@@christianlopez2793 didn’t say that I said he sat
Soon as I saw first guy doing his “correct” deadlifts, I laughed inside thinking of how his back is going to go out in 10 years
Nah, he just won't ever get good at deadlifting.
@@petersoar2886 and by doing one of the worst exercises on your back wrong for a decade you’re more than likely going to have disc problems. But either way leave it to a 22 year old influencer to teach us all how to lift
@@thegentlemansclubshow2277 why though? His core is braced and he's doing it controlled. He likely won't ever get strong enough at the deadlift to get hurt. Something tells he doesn't even deadlift anyway and just made up the technique on the spot.
He's wrong, but he probably won't get hurt, lol. You and I are much more likely to get hurt doing it right and actually getting strong over a decade.
@@petersoar2886 my thoughts are that with him sitting out like that when he pulls up on the weight it’s applying too much pressure to the lower vertebrae that over many years would cause some bulging. Of course deadlifts cause issues done right anyway like you said. I’m no scientist though, I just pick up heavy shit and put it back down
I'm 6'5 with a lot of torso. Man I feel like I almost have to get my hips in that similar position so that I can get my shoulders a decent amount more upright than my ass and low back. Otherwise I'd be fucking starting off looking like I'm about to do a row
I have the same problem. I’m 6’5 with a big torso and not too long limbs. If you start with the hips lower you’ll be using leg drive more which makes it harder to get off the floor
If you start with your hips higher you’ll have to either push your knees more forward or round the shoulders a little bit/lean forward more in order to reach the bar. You’ll be able to get it off the ground easier but lockout is harder. To top it off, I find both forms puts you at risk. The first one chance of sciatica flaring up and the second one chance of your lats getting sprained. That’s just me tho
That's the big issue with a lot of these guys on TH-cam, and using other people's content to create content. Neither of them are wrong, but neither explanation is a one size fits all. Everyone's anatomy is different and everyone will have to pull/ press at different angles. Most of what these guys post are opinion based and they try to treat its as fact for others to follow. Always try something different until you find what's most comfortable for you
There have been weirder proportioned lifters excel at deadlift, you can find a good enough position. Just film your self and try posting it on a subreddit if you're struggling.
Well the issue with with videos like this is that no two people deadlift the same. If you have soem crazy proportions you might need to sit down more. I find I get a lot more hamstring activation from sitting back a bit then starting the deadlift. Yes, I’m not as low as the first guy but I’m also not super high in my position either.
Being too high with your hips also just turns it into a stiff leg deadlift with almost no leg involvement so that can be an equally damaging que.
@@frankytanky5076 what I've found that seems to be beneficial for a lot of people is moving your hips with the bar. So basically if the bar is going up your hips should be going up as well. And the best way to find the position is on the eccentric and just moving your hips down until it hits the floor finally.
Thank you for being so informative and giving a shit! You and sean nalwenaji are actually giving out good advice on body anatomy.
Yeah a more vertical back seems to put more unnecessary pressure on the lower and risk hurting it. I learned the hard way.
Everything you just said went over my head and ive been lifting for like 3 years. I think driving with your legs and sitting back is a good tip for beginners who might otherwise only use their back and injure themselves
A dude at my gym said my form was shit and told me to do the squat deadlift thing. At first I thought he may be right but I did some research and found this video. Thank you!!!
My man turned a lower back exercise into a reverse squat
Lower back? My g the squat ain't a lower back exercise. It works legs and hips. Lower back is a stabilizer.
@@3Q2HFNILQHF He meant the deadlift.
@@helphowdoinputusername3571 I meant deadlift also lol
@@3Q2HFNILQHF your back is contracted when you deadlift, making it stronger over time no? It works your lower back.
@@SolomonsProxy yes and that's quite different from it being a lower back exercise lol. Your lower back is contracted to do bicep curls (standing upright) but it's not a lower back exercise bud.
thats how my dad tells me to deadlift but he is obese and worked out for like 3 months of his life and deadlifted for 1 month
Lol
I use these sometimes to finish a workout, usually with about 20% of what my max deadlift is for reps, would recommend adding it to your routine but definitely not a replacement for your personal technique.
“You wanna have strong hands” lmao
He's right. Without strong hands you'll only be able to do mixed-grip which I find is unatural and lazy IMO.
@@regulus7754 I agree about the straps but lifting with a mixed grip is too easy and feels weird when going up for me. Over hand is the best way IMO just pure raw power.
And yeah strong hands is massively important in a deadlift
For anyone worried about deadlift for and what to do or what not to do, just type in Jeremy Ethier deadlift and you'll never have to worry about bad deadlift form again as long as you follow the instructions in his videos to a T
i dont think theres anything wrong with this. different movement than powerlifting style deadlift. goal isnt always to move the most weight, could be a variation someone is working on leg drive, or trying to pull with less posterior chain.
You generally don't wanna deadlift this way unless ur a weightlifter improving ur cleans and snatches. General population powerlifter or not it should be a hip hinge movement not a squat movement.
The "wrong" part is the fact it puts far more pressure on your lower back while also removing your own leverage. Hips too low = harder to lift and more risk of injury
@@kiraPh1234k maybe you should stop ego lifting and you won’t mess up your back. I deadlift the same as the influencer guy. Low hips, lot of ankle flexion and calf activation, upright back, and ive never hurt myself even when doing 525 lb and I barely train deadlift (it’s not that great for athletics solely on its own anyway)
@@roderickclerk5904 you’re one of the few smart guys in this comments section
@@roderickclerk5904 maybe you should learn what a deadlift is. It's REALLY not that difficult
Love how all the TH-cam coaches in the comments try to protect this shit as technique for some reason
Thing is, a lot of elite lifters use the sitting back cue. It’s not just TH-cam coaches. Not only do they recommend it, they actually use the technique as well.
@@juvedoo99 even for them the bar doesn't break the floor until their hips rise
There’s nothing wrong with deadlifting the way the first guy demonstrated, as long as you realize you’re turning your deadlift into predominantly a leg exercise. By the way, when I deadlift that way, my glutes and hams get sore as hell the next few days. Maybe it’s just how I’m built.
The deadlift is always a leg exercise...
@@Zenas101 you cant break of the floor without legs...
@@taibro3868 I'd say it's wrong because it's usually a less efficient way to train quads( assuming that's what you meant by legs), than back or front squats for instance
If I’m ever in a deadlift competition, I will follow what the 2nd dude is saying. If I want to engage more muscles for longer, I’ll do what the 1st guy says, I’ll do more than 1 deadlift, I won’t use a belt and I won’t use mix grip and I will not get even remotely close to my deadlift max lift. Mix grip is for when ur seriously gonna pop a fucking haemorrhoid and prove a point.
Edit: to be fair 1st guy is basically squatting, that’s a bit too much sitting :D
5 feet 6 inch "tall" 125 lb. a few mostly none muscles dude here! I destroyed this bad form. I win the bad form award! I did 5 reps with 1-arm deadlifts. 150 lbs. 2 30 lb. dumbbells STACKED on 1 45 lb. dumbbell on a 45 lb. dumbbell. No belt and bulge when bent over there for a week or so bent over next to my belly button was there! ROFLWAFFLE so I don't do those anymore, so I don't DIE!!
Funny thing is I followed that junk advice from other sources and my back hurt doing deadlifts for years. At smaller weight amounts even bad form will get the job done; but once I started getting closer to my goal of 4 plates I started noticing a lot of bad signs beyond the pain (which I had assumed was normal). I can't imagine anyone following that style of squat deadlifting for very long unless they arne't pushing heavier weights (or there just freakishly strong)
The big issue you both make and aren't taking into account is the fact that everyone's anatomy is slightly different. There are general rules of thumb for every lift and movement that we can follow and help out first timers with, but at the end of the day people's pulling/pressing power is going to be at slightly different angles. What makes you pull more, may not necessarily be what helps others pull more
The difference in anatomy is not that big. If you are an outlier, you know it.
I would be reluctant to criticize someone else’s form unless they are being unsafe to them selves or others. You may not know what they are trying to achieve with their movement. They may be trying to target different muscles for different rep ranges or working on self perceived weak points throughout their baseline movement. In my opinion, “The best way” for a lift should always be followed by a goal description for the exercise.
just so people understand, what the second (the person who was doing it correct) was doing was a sumo deadlift. a sumo deadlift is slightly more ergonomically inclined and is generally preferred by powerlifters because it gives you better leverage. A conventional deadlift is done with feet at or just slightly beyond shoulder width depending on body type (women for instance often go wider due to hip anatomy). personally i dislike sumo lifts but that's just because of too many injury's over the years makes it harder for me.
Yeah kinda weird to critique the guy’s conventional form then show a sumo dead lift rather than a good form conventional
u r actually correct no joke, and also the width of the legs can change from person to person, u have 2 play withit and c what suits u bst
Actually not too bad for olympic lifting. For cleans you want to get your thights near parallel to the floor
He’s trying to teach a beginner with simple advice. A beginner would not understand anything you are saying. It’s why coaching is hard. He also is focused on hypertrophy not trying to spread out and move the weight 3 inches with a mixed grip. It depends what your trying to get out of your deadlift. His form isn’t great because the weight is light so he sits a bit much. He definitely knows what he is doing. There are way worse deadlifts from people with way less success you could break down.
But this dude isn't even teaching you how to deadlift
Even with feet shoulder width apart it's still a 'hip hinge' movement not a squat movement. If hypertrophy is the goal then it's still hugely beneficial to the back and hams. Do a squat to hit quads!!
You don't teach beginners with incorrect form. He's teaching a squat with the bar in your hands. If a beginner listened to this, if he ever wanted to progress they would eventually have to relearn the movement.
I didn't know "simple advice" means teaching wrong movements and form lol
There's a huge discrepency in what you guys want out of the movement, so thats where i think your points of contention come from. I can guaruntee you that that Sadik is doing more reps at a lower intensity (purely for the purpose of hypertrophy and NOT stregnth), so i dont necessairily disagree with his advice. Now this is pure speculation on my part, but sitting back and using your legs more might be better for higher rep sets purely for the sake of feeling safe while perfoming the movement during those "grinder" reps. Huge fan of the channel and your vids, but just thought i'd throw that out there!
Even though this dichotomy is off, why would you do a deadlift for hypertrophy unless you want to train your back? And why would you in that case want to minimize back involvement?
If you want to target your legs in a high rep hypertrophy kind of way there are better movement patterns for it than the deadlift or what Sadik is portraying here.
The way he is doing is taking out a lot of hamstring which is stupid because deadlifts are great for hams. Sure it makes it more of a quad exercise the way he's doing it but there are much better exercises for quads so it makes no sense.
@@Jeneric81 i do it the way sadik does it, it feels perfect for me, maybe it has something to do with the body's anatomy
@@RusyaidiDzulkifli You're not pulling a heavy weight in this way, sorry. Video yourself from the side and watch where your hips and shoulders are when the actual bar breaks the floor.
There's no anatomy that will make you pull significant weight from the floor with his style.
Working out is not about finding the most efficient way to get the biggest number
It’s about not leaving any weaknesses for me at least
I had a bad shoulder injury once and had struggles for months after when trying to workout because I thought it just needed to heal, but the real issue was as underdeveloped rotator cuff.
Overall strength is better than big numbers.
Working out is about whatever the persons goal is first of all, you don’t get to decide what working out is for other people lmao. Anyway, your own imbalances don’t dictate what other people need to do, plus overall strength and big numbers don’t need to be mutually exclusive. Plenty of very strong people are more well rounded than you. And even id they weren’t, overall being better than big numbers is your opinion.
The issue with the advice of the first person isn’t “oh it’s not how to lift the most weight” it’s that what he’s saying is just bad fucking advice. It’s inefficient - not because he won’t lift big but because it’s throwing your body out of proper hinging position. Pushing proper weight from where he’s sitting back is going to throw you out of position, change forces on your body unexpectedly and it’s the biggest mistake people make on deads.
🤣😂🤣 I can't u didn't have to explain and I was laughing
The first guy accidentally taught everyone how to clean deadlift. Nice
Right? I was thinking to myself “this is a good setup for a clean”
When I saw his position I was like “wtf Sadik” 😂, Olympia competitor doing this…
There’s nothing wrong with that deadlift advice, it’s a leg dominant style. And if you want to learn how to clean, that style will work.
This is absolutely not good conventional deadlift advice lmao. He’s teaching the mistake that tons of newbies make. If you sit back on deadlifts you will not be able to use any challenging and productive weight without your body throwing you off that position into the proper position you need to actually lift the weight. It’s simple physics. Even in a clean deadlift you wouldn’t start pushing from that sat back position, many weight lifters like to rock back this way to begin their rhythm but they never push out of it which is the key difference. You will need to come forward just enough to begin the push. Clean deadlifts are generally done under the capacity of a true conventional deadlift yes but even those aren’t as leg dominant as what he’s demonstrating because that’s not possible. Hinging is still a critical part of the clean and clean dead. And that’s irrelevant anyway because he’s no even demoing how to do a clean or clean accessory
@@SilverSlugs16 nah it’s fine,learning this style when your new is perfectly fine, you’ll learn to use legs and then gradually learn to hinge as your back get stronger. For newbies it’s not a big deal lol. It’s for newbies that’s the point, they have weak lower backs. As the back gets stronger then the hinge will be safer to do, key word safety. Weightlifters don’t learn deadlifts as newbies but have no problem doing clean deadlift, conventional deadlift, even snatch deadlift as they get stronger/experienced, they can adjust no problem. You act like it’s a hard adjustment lol, because it’s not. A perfect ex. is Clarence Kennedy, when he cleans his hips go low, but when he actually deadlifts his hips are higher. He may not be teaching the relevant style but this style will still get you strong enough for a real deadlift. Weightlifters are literal examples. So you’re absolutely wrong in the process of learning a deadlift, there isn’t just one path.
Nice explanation in such a short timeframe
C4 on the shirts says it all😂😂
i prefer the first guys advice cause it places more load on upright movements like vertical jump
True. The first guys deadlift style translates way better to athletics
Errr, just squat?
@@petersoar2886 yea dont do deadlifts there terrible please avoid them sir
This isn't a version it's just wrong. What he's doing is more akin to a clean pull. Physics and anatomy don't change bc you're a body builder. If the intent is to deadlift (IE a hips hinge) you want your hips higher.
What about when the bar is higher and like right below the knees. Something like pulling higher like a rack pull?
I’m sorry but I can’t take advice from a summo dead lifter. Like anyone was doing that pre 2020, gotten laughed @ in 2009.
But he’s right tho…
Sitting back like the first guy in the video is bad because that way you lose all the tension on the hamstrings. Leaning back until you're arms are in line with the bar and than dropping down is good. That way a light weight will actually already leave the ground before you even try to pull it of the ground because of you're bodyweight.
A bunch of red flags went off with the first guy, that was a hybrid squat more than a deadlift.
Lots wasted effort in his version. When I was starting out most lifters were geared and that really screwed up my squat and bench mechanics.
more gains in his version. your muscles will hypertrophy with more time under tension.
@@joys8634 I think there’s better movements if you’re looking for hypertrophy. Deadlifts are taxing and cause a lot of centralized fatigue
That squat deadlift are more safe for the lower back tho and it’s better for a beginner cause it got room for error.
Yeah the technique that results in the bar moving back and forth unless you know how to move your knees around it is definitely way more dangerous than one of the safer movements there is.
No, they are actually WAY WORSE for the lower back in the long run.
That's why i don't do this exercise. Literally everyone will have a different opinion on how to do it and the injury potential is infinite.
Sorry excuse not to do deadlifts. Less technical than bench and squat, less injury potential than those two if you fail a rep. Don’t do touch and go reps, reset between each rep to avoid injury.
That's why you're weak
Bruh squats are more technical and more individualized than dls.
@@reeltwig2929 this guy gets it
Watch channels like Elite FTS, Eddie Coan, John Meadows, etc. They have great info and have the experience to account for it as well.
Other than the sit back que, Sadik’s advice was correct
To me it depends on your goals and risk of injury. IMHO if you get injured deadlifting, what do you want to injure, your posterior chain or your spine??? I'll take a muscle tear in my glutes, leg then herniated disks in my back and sciatica. When deadlifts get heavy peoples form breaks, the back rounds and then snap city....
Okay, but theres nothing wrong with his form right? Its just that by implementing your points, you will lift more. But its not like you will hurtyourself with his technique.
It targets the wrong muscles.
@@malnutritionboy in your opinion
@@joys8634 it's a fact
If you want to do a quad-dominant deadlift you should use the trap bar. Doing this with a barbell is just suboptimal in every way.
@@joys8634 🤡🤡🤡 "in your opinion" 🤡🤡🤡
The beginning of the trainer's deadlift is exactly how the Chinese Olympic gold medalists starts their deadlift, power clean, and snatch.
If I’m not mistaken all Olympic lifters at the pro level definitely squat into their cleans and snatches. Just like how their squats are high bar and get way pass parallel and yet keep their backs and chest straight up. Power lifters have different form . I prefer oly than power and it seems to be the more athletically demanding sport as it’s not strictly strength being tested. I digress!
You’re correct, but the intention behind their deadlifts, power cleans, & snatches is to get better at their specific Olympic lift(s). The shoes that they wear tend to be more aggressive in regards to their heel angle than most “squat” shoes in order to provide the leverage they need to get under the bar. Unless your intent is to also improve your Olympic lifts, then taking such a stance isn’t optimal.
The first way is somewhat good advice for clean deadlift
The first guy did a correct deadlift. The second did a dynamic effort exercise that isn't a real deadlift.
You actually do want to sit your hips back, not necessarily down but to the point where you palm is at knee level and then you lower your knee to grab the bar, and then drive through your legs first to get the bar at the knee level and then drive your hips/back to upright level.