THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! I just can't say it enough. I have 3 blackmagic cameras bmpcc, bmmcc and the 4k. These batteries are perfect for all 3 and provide plenty of juice in a much smaller package than the juicebox battery pack I was using previously. I purchased 4 of them and have dummy batteries for 2 of the cameras and a straight plate adapter for the BMMCC. Works flawlessly and without the monitor I filled up the the Samsung T5 SSD 1TB without running out of battery. That was recording at 4k DCI Constant Quality Q0. So this battery is more than enough to record hours and hours with 2 batteries of the camera's highest quality. This video transformed all 3 of my cameras making my rigs all smaller and lighter with plenty of power. Can't wait to add the field monitor coming tomorrow.
kdemotorsports I am glad the solution worked. True, there is no smaller battery alternative available and it powers the monitor at the same time! Win-win
Okay so I bought this and I've realized that once the battery reaches below half way, the voltage through the DC port is too low to turn on the BMPCC4K. So the best way to use this battery is to use the dummy LPE6 to DC in since it will run the camera at a lower voltage (6volts) and let you use the remaining power until zero.
I heard people putting in Fully charged LP battery in, then use the power connection so that it will be charging the battery to keep it toped off works.
@@lindamuvic8110 Yeah i would think putting in a fully charged LP battery PLUS this battery keeping it fully charged would be a better idea. the bmpcc will shut up either way if the voltage drops too low.
Great Video. 👉HOWEVER... According to Blackmagic, under powering the 12v port (10v-16v are acceptable) WILL damage the camera after extensive use. Use the dummy battery OR a 12v plate. Another issue is that there are reports of power being fed back to the 4K via the HDMI ports when powering the camera in this manor and that causes long term damage. I would love to get a definitive statement from BM on this because this is an AMAZING way to power everything. This has been discussed many times on the BM forums and on BMPCC4K facebook groups.
This is perfect! And I just got the articulating screen kit for my BMPCC and I can install an SSD inside the camera now to record on. My whole set up will practically be the size of a DSLR.
Great review too and 2.5hours was STRAIGHT recording. Most will stop and start with a few minutes in between time so that battery from my test using the 970's, one lasts 3.5 hours and the other around 4.5(gotta remember some batteries are not the same but for $28 a piece for these big ol things YOU CANT beat em!)
great video. since i received my camera in November, i have been powering my pocket off my gimbal at 14.8v through the dc port on the camera and additionally having the internal battery in also , this has saved me when my gimbal battery's were out and then my internal battery took over. im also in process of rigging up my steady cam with arm and vest with the atomos ninja inferno monitor and trying 2 of these battery's in the inferno , but wiring the 7 v dc out of each battery in series getting me that 14v for the pocket dc in, and still able to have the internal batt in. Great video just what i needed to fig out my steady cam battery and monitor solution
NP-F750 trough lp-e6 dummy battery has just 1:20 minute (WITHOUT RECORDING) another strange point: at full charged just 66% percentage at starts with 7.7 v maybe problem here?
Possibly the best battery solution in my opinion. V-mount etc seem great, but i'd like to think with a "pocket" cam you want to have the smallest size rig possible. you could probably make it even smaller if you have a better way of mounting that ssd and some shorter/nicely routed cables
Great video. [11 ounces = 311grams or 0.3kg] I would only suggest giving the weights in metric as well, as only the USA and about 2 other countries officially use imperial, IIRC. Rest of the world is using metric. I'm sure most of your audience is in USA but we are on the internet after all. Your reach is global. Thanks for your very useful video. And hope I wasn't coming off too negative.
Heads up guys... for owners of the BMPCC 6K, only the LP-E6 dummy adaptor will work with this method. If you power the camera via the 12V Weipu input with a standard NP-F battery you will only get a few seconds of power before the camera shuts down - even with a fully charged NP-F battery.
So using an LP-E6 battery while powering through dc is a no no? It says you can charge the battery through these ports so I would think it would be ok?
actually unreliable - worked for 2 hours 18 and next time just over 1 hour and shuts off without warning - file saves but still if on paid job would not trust this method - no dummy battery btw
I have the same setup with the dummy battery and battery bank and same monitor and love it so far. I wish your test was in a more accurate situation though (brighter colors and varying object) as I'm sure that consumes way more battery life from the screens than just a dark area
Does this gives you any kind of trouble like frying the hdmi port? I read online that using the same power source for the monitor and camera could actually do that.
It would be interesting to see how much the battery life has improved after installing the new firmware update this week. I have noticed much longer battery with my P4K and I use the camera to provide phantom power to my mic, so that's a double whammy on my battery. I did not get an exact time, didn't think about that till now, but I'm pretty sure I was getting close to 40 min on the stock battery. If I did not power the mic I think it could get close to the 1 hour mark. Could you do an updated test and let us know your results? Thanks. Good luck with the channel!!
I did a test with the oem battery life with the new firmware and the battery life has improved by 10-15 min. Checkout the article on my blog. www.bmpcc4k.tech/2019/02/06/firmware-update-6-1-test-battery-life-format-ssd-and-more/
There`s no better light weight solution so far. I use the Baxxtar 10500 mAh NPF Battery, which lasts a bit longer. I´m only struggeling with power extension cables, which let power down the camera at half the time. Without extension it works til zero power. I tried several power extension cables. Some don`t even power up the camera and all others power down too early. Is ther a LP 6 dummy awith bit longer cable out there?
i have feelworld s55 and it cant power the camera with its dc output, i use dc to lp e6 adapter and at first thought that i was having a problem with the batteries, but later checked the monitor being powered from the dc source, and it still couldn't power the camera, camera can work only for 30seconds and reboots and the display quality suddenly degradates, saw topics of f568 owners having similar problems, guess it's just our luck D:
Tea Wales that’s a good solution. This one works for me since I use an external monitor and gives me a spot to mount the battery that isn’t in the way.
Did you leave the Lpe6 battery in the camera? I was using this solution before your video and have found there are unpredictable issues with the battery in camera and using an external SSD. Voltage apparently drops too low to support the SSD, charge battery and power the camera. Let me know, thanks. Otherwise I'm able to record lossless raw to a Crucial 1TB m.2 SSD and drive enclosure I put together off of Amazon for less than $100.
Im not sure about this monitor but the new Feelworld monitors come with DC out. Someone, to know if the DC out from the monitor could be used to power the BMPCC6 with a dummy battery?
This seems to be an awesome power solution for BMPCC 4k, but I always think it would be better to power the monitor independently, instead of powering both devices from the same source. I'm sure that would provide more battery life for the camera
How does the WD Blue drive work for you? Is it reliable at the highest quality setting? Also, in regards to the SSD case/caddy: is it reliable for swapping drives in and out?
The camera just shuts down if not enough current so no, it won’t damage the camera but you should note that if it powers down during a take, you will lose that entire take and not be able to recover what you shot. Best use for this solution is to keep the stock battery that comes with the camera in the battery compartment in the camera so if you do run down below the required voltage on the NPF it’ll switch to the in-cam battery and you can keep recording for about another 20 mins before having to change up.
How do you compare this to the battery usage of the Moza Air? Also, am I able to fit the sd card holder, feelworld, and a shot gun mic on a half cage or is the full cage a must?
What cord are you using?? To get from the camera to the battery? Do you have a link for that as well or did it come with the camera or battery? Thanks!
Hi, I like your idea .But these are some questions, the np-f battery output is 7.2v and the bmpcc DC in needs 12v . If you change the npf battery to Bp-u battery with B-tap which output up to 12v.that makes science
Daniel Knust the external battery should get anywhere from 1.45-2 hrs record time and yes it cannot power the camera via the weipu at 50%. Maybe try powering the camera via the dummy for longer life since the weipu draws more power.
Something is confusing me, could you please note what was the difference between test 1 and 2? I totally do not get it. Both times you use the battery to power the camera. Why did you not use the monitor? Maybe it would have still kept supporting it.
I want to power my black magic monitor thru a Li-ion pack as well! I didn't understand your video well but is it more efficient to power it with a 2 cell battery via dummy battery or a 3 cell battery going in from the DC input? Thank you !
Apparently, they don't make them anymore, it's unavailable on both ebay and amazon... can't find any other battery that has a DC output... However, Feelworld monitors have a 8.4v dc output, does anyone know if it can power the BMPCC 4K ? Thanks for your help
Can you use the DC output of the monitor with the dummy battery? I have a ton of NP style batteries already so curious if the monitor can supply power that way. Thx.
Check out Tom Antos' video on BMPCC4K power. He has a Feelworld F6 and apparently killed two NP-F batteries by plugging them in that way. I was surprised this way works.
Others have stated that powering the camera through the monitor dc out will burnout the monitor but no on has a video. I didn't attempt to because didn't want to find out the hard way. lol
I am running the same set-up but I cannot get it to power up unless the stock battery is in the camera... and even then somtimes I get the battery turning off... You were able to run the camera without the stock battery inside?
Impressive indeed. Thanks for the effort. But would the camera sitting there, doing the same image, not skew the results? Moving images and lots of variation (like real life) would presumably be way more taxing on the power?
@@Pierluca72 you can buy little base plates for it like this: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FYSD1VC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Theres a 1/4" thread on the bottom
Hi ! I just got a BMPCC4K and already got a similar NPF battery with DC output, on my fotga monitor, with tilta BMPCC to DC cable, I'm a bit surprised even if the camera says "AC", the LPE6 battery drains in 30min and the NPF battery is still full ! Any clue ? Thanks for the video
Hi ! I wanted to know if I can power the BMPCC4K with NP-F970 batteries (7.4V) mounted on a Smallrig adapter that delivers 12V through the cable Smallrig 1819. Do you think it will work ? Thank you :)
What would happen if you used the DC output of the monitor instead of the battery, they are both 8.4v out - and then you wouldn't need a battery with dc output?
I got this setup and the battery cannot power my focus motor from the USB-the only attachment I have. I kind of banked my whole rig on this battery source and it ended up only being able to power the monitor for me. If you were looking for a battery that will power your rig, this will not work.
what can yoy say about your hard drive? is not an SSD, is it? could yo please explain a litle bit more about? If you want to improve even more your battery life, I would recomend to use smallrig or tilta battery plates for those NP-F batteries, with the original LP-E6 battery fully charged. Once your NP-F battery dies, the LP-E6 battery begin to run, so, you have around 20 minutes to change your NP-F batery...
we have bought 2 exact same batteries (same brand) for the BMPCC 4k camera. The setup works fine for about 20 mins ( fully charged battery) and then the camera turns off. Do you know what the problem is?
Currently running this set same monitor and all. Ran into a problem curious if anyone else has run into it. If I try to shoot anything 60fps with this power setup bmpcc turn off right away.. but if I’m running just the camera battery it works fine. Anyone run into the problem?
@BMPCC4k tech i was loosing my mind!!.. This Battery worked .. then stopped.. could not figure out why till i remembered that it stopped working after i removed the internal battery..Funny because the first battery i bought was the TalentCell Rechargeable 12V 6000mAh/5V 12000mAh which is great but did not realize how bulky it was.. The talentcell powers up the camera w/out a internal battery inside, but this power extra does not.. any ideas as to why?
Tony Fuego in my test in the video the powerextra battery powered the camera without an lpe6 and via dummy. Keep in mind per the BMD manual it is not recommended to power with a custom power source via the weipu and have a battery installed.
BMPCC4k thanx for the response. Good to know. My manual came on a SD card. Never really looked at it. Will get a dummy battery. Can even power it with my Moza air 2..
The dummy battery lasted longer because you unplugged the SSD halfway through, once you're recording on an SSD its takes alot more battery life, i wonder how much would it last on the SSD alone
This is a great solution HOWEVER be aware that these batteries do not last very long. After just a couple of months I started getting half the battery life or less. The batteries will read 2 and even 3 bars of life left and yes it will run the camera BUT as soon as you hit record it does not have enough voltage to run everything and will shut off. The solution would be to get higher end name brand batteries and run it off the newer battery plates like the power junkie, tiltas plate, or the small rig plate.
something is probably wrong with connecting the power cord directly from the battery to the camera!!! I have the same batteries as on your test and after a while the camera turns off. the battery freezes, shows nothing, and only after connecting to the charger comes back to life? Any ideas why this is happening? I have identical monitor batteries and cables :(?
@@bmpcc4ktech852 I found a problem :) The power cable attached to the camera has a looseness during which I suspect that there is a micro voltage drop. This causes the battery to freeze and turn off the camera. for a dummy battery works without a problem :). Now the question of what cable are you using for your camcorder is the original fron bm?
@@Ironmanhhh I think you should use a proven one there have been reports that not all SSD are compatible and it may also depend on the enclosure. The 860 is a very common ssd and I'm sure the speed is plenty fast enough for 4K 4:1 but you should read up on a list of currently compatible storage solutions
Nice! Exactly what I am looking for! I just wonder how the delay time of the Feelworld field monitor is in combination with the Bmpcc4k. I am actually considering to buy a SmallHD Focus for the Bmpcc4k but it is much more expensive than the Feelworld. Can you please make a video of how much delay time it has with the Bmpcc4k?
@@ringodemingo I might've buried the link but here it is.. not a long review but one of my short ones. Cliffnotes are great build quality, great screen, for a very affordable price. It worked on our RED, GH5s, and 1DXii.. YMMV th-cam.com/video/Aa9wK-XurL0/w-d-xo.html&
Oh.. and to give you a reference, we sold the SmallHD Focus and just kept this.. for our expensive screens we did keep our 502 BRIGHT because it has SDI inputs but that's if you need that...
The 6K with 120 HFR will not work this way, (not enough power) plus the min your meant to go on the cameras 12v input for both the 4k and 6k os 10v,,,,NOT 7.4v. You have to get a dummy LPE6 batter which is allowed to 7.4v input.
Hi All, you can also use the BlindSpot Power Junkie - cvp.com/product/blind-spot-gear-bsg-1302-007-01-power-junkie Along with the LP-E6 dummy battery - cvp.com/product/blind-spot-gear-bsg-1302-009-01-dummy-lp-e6 If you have any questions, you can drop me an email at ellis.beesley@cvp.com
Yes, the BMPCC4k needs 12v. I believe these PowerExtra batteries used to come with 12v DC out, but the new ones only do 7.9v out which will not power the BMPCC4k. I have a sneaking suspicion that this battery was barely meeting the power requirements for the camera, and I've never seen anything that definitively says this setup wouldn't damage your camera. I really wish something like this would work though.
I would be concerned powering the camera with 7.2-7.4v battery into a 12v input. Also how do we know in this test that there wasn't a battery in the camera as well.
Worked for me last night testing it but today recording failures everytime. Now it won't even work without a battery inside the camera at the same time as the external solution. I would not recommend this to people as a "reliable" solution. Use the Smallrig grey Sony battery option or a V mount as part of a rig. I would love for this option to be dependable but it's not ready for primetime. -Jay
Recording failures are related to media speeds and not power source. I read on some forums that BMD did not recommend using external power via the weipu with a battery installed. If that is true then even a v-mount with a lpe6 installed will not work. Everyone should take precaution when testing and results may vary. Equipment failure may happen for many reasons and may not be directly related to the battery.
@@bmpcc4ktech852 I'm using the Samsung T5 SSD and have turned off the "cancel recording because of dropped frames" feature in the camera. I just wouldn't use this particular battery setup and depend on it for an important shoot. Just my experience with it so far.
@@jayfortech7279 interesting that BMD marketed the T5 ssd from the beginning and that is the only ssd I know of that works intermittently and has consistency issues. The power source does not effect dropped frames. Good luck with your setup.
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There is something I don’t understand and whoever, please help me to figure the math. The little LP6 battery has 7.2 Voltage. Now with that battery you should be able to record even the highest RAW format, 50fps. Obviously, the power consumption will be massive so the battery will probably last around 20-30 minutes. But everywhere is written that if you are using the external power source you need 12V so you need NPF plate that can step up from 7.4V to 12V but you are now saying, if you do it through dummy battery you will be fine with those 7.4V. Now I want to know how much fine. Fine - yeah you will do anything you need and you are fine or like Fine, it will record but the heat of the battery is going to burn out the plate or the heat of dummy battery will burn out the camera.
Good question! I don't know much about electronics, but I know the equation P=U*I. So when you just use the half of the voltage (7,4V), you will need the double amount of current. It's more a question: but this double amount of current stresses the electronics much more I guess. I'm afraid that this may damage the camera on the long turn due to a higher wearing. Is there a electronics nerd around who could confirm of deny?
@@sun8716 "heat of dummy battery will burn out the camera." This is nonsense. Attaches a 6-8.4V battery to a 7.4v input. The positive difference is at most 1 volts. The camera's operating current is 2.5 Amperes. P = U * I. 1 * 2.5 = 2,5Watt. The circuit should heat up to 2.5W for a few minutes. Battery voltage drops rapidly after turning on, after only half a hour it is only 6.5V. It doesn't matter. The camera sensor continuously heats up to 10-15W. Even if you don't get the shot, which is a big problem, but you have a reason. The laser thermometer shows 100 degrees over the battery compartment while the metal parts are noticeably hotter. The fan will continue to run, even if the recording is off. I don't know this is factory defective or normal but it's good to know.
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! I just can't say it enough. I have 3 blackmagic cameras bmpcc, bmmcc and the 4k. These batteries are perfect for all 3 and provide plenty of juice in a much smaller package than the juicebox battery pack I was using previously. I purchased 4 of them and have dummy batteries for 2 of the cameras and a straight plate adapter for the BMMCC. Works flawlessly and without the monitor I filled up the the Samsung T5 SSD 1TB without running out of battery. That was recording at 4k DCI Constant Quality Q0. So this battery is more than enough to record hours and hours with 2 batteries of the camera's highest quality. This video transformed all 3 of my cameras making my rigs all smaller and lighter with plenty of power. Can't wait to add the field monitor coming tomorrow.
kdemotorsports I am glad the solution worked. True, there is no smaller battery alternative available and it powers the monitor at the same time! Win-win
kdemotorsports How long does one single battery last?
Fredrick Ewelike I get close to 2 hours of recording to the external Samsung SSD in 4K DCI
Okay so I bought this and I've realized that once the battery reaches below half way, the voltage through the DC port is too low to turn on the BMPCC4K. So the best way to use this battery is to use the dummy LPE6 to DC in since it will run the camera at a lower voltage (6volts) and let you use the remaining power until zero.
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Yes, the wiepu port does draw more power which is evident when tested compared to the dummy battery.
I heard people putting in Fully charged LP battery in, then use the power connection so that it will be charging the battery to keep it toped off works.
How long would you say the battery lasts ?
@@lindamuvic8110 Yeah i would think putting in a fully charged LP battery PLUS this battery keeping it fully charged would be a better idea. the bmpcc will shut up either way if the voltage drops too low.
Great Video. 👉HOWEVER... According to Blackmagic, under powering the 12v port (10v-16v are acceptable) WILL damage the camera after extensive use. Use the dummy battery OR a 12v plate. Another issue is that there are reports of power being fed back to the 4K via the HDMI ports when powering the camera in this manor and that causes long term damage. I would love to get a definitive statement from BM on this because this is an AMAZING way to power everything. This has been discussed many times on the BM forums and on BMPCC4K facebook groups.
Did you find a response or solution? I own 3 of these batteries and I'd love to power the camera via a Blind Spot Power Junkie with a WEIPU 2.5" cable
This is perfect! And I just got the articulating screen kit for my BMPCC and I can install an SSD inside the camera now to record on. My whole set up will practically be the size of a DSLR.
Great review too and 2.5hours was STRAIGHT recording. Most will stop and start with a few minutes in between time so that battery from my test using the 970's, one lasts 3.5 hours and the other around 4.5(gotta remember some batteries are not the same but for $28 a piece for these big ol things YOU CANT beat em!)
great video.
since i received my camera in November, i have been powering my pocket off my gimbal at 14.8v through the dc port on the camera and additionally having the internal battery in also , this has saved me when my gimbal battery's were out and then my internal battery took over. im also in process of rigging up my steady cam with arm and vest with the atomos ninja inferno monitor and trying 2 of these battery's in the inferno , but wiring the 7 v dc out of each battery in series getting me that 14v for the pocket dc in, and still able to have the internal batt in. Great video just what i needed to fig out my steady cam battery and monitor solution
NP-F750 trough lp-e6 dummy battery has just 1:20 minute (WITHOUT RECORDING) another strange point: at full charged just 66% percentage at starts with 7.7 v maybe problem here?
how many hours works that sony without using monitor, just bmpcc4k
Possibly the best battery solution in my opinion. V-mount etc seem great, but i'd like to think with a "pocket" cam you want to have the smallest size rig possible. you could probably make it even smaller if you have a better way of mounting that ssd and some shorter/nicely routed cables
Great video. [11 ounces = 311grams or 0.3kg]
I would only suggest giving the weights in metric as well, as only the USA and about 2 other countries officially use imperial, IIRC. Rest of the world is using metric. I'm sure most of your audience is in USA but we are on the internet after all. Your reach is global.
Thanks for your very useful video. And hope I wasn't coming off too negative.
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it's amazing thank you!!
Anderson Pereira da Silva no problem! And it looks cool because it’s clear and has blank colored lights 👍🏽
Pretty exciting! Would love to see, how things change with bmraw 12:1 and the Blackmagic monitor turned off
Heads up guys... for owners of the BMPCC 6K, only the LP-E6 dummy adaptor will work with this method. If you power the camera via the 12V Weipu input with a standard NP-F battery you will only get a few seconds of power before the camera shuts down - even with a fully charged NP-F battery.
Will it work having a fully charge internal battery?
So using an LP-E6 battery while powering through dc is a no no? It says you can charge the battery through these ports so I would think it would be ok?
hi there
- this works for me - got the Baxter 10000 man battery and runs for about 2 hours recording 4k with ssd
actually unreliable - worked for 2 hours 18 and next time just over 1 hour and shuts off without warning - file saves but still if on paid job would not trust this method - no dummy battery btw
bought dummy battery - works for 2 hours and can be monitored with battery in so pretty useful
@@bazhunt8549 what battery is that? can i get a link? or to a similar one?
Wish you showrd nice and close up how your getting power to the camera... The ACTUAL cables connecting ends of the cables and where to Purchase.
DARRYL SMITH he is using the dc cables that came with the battery I think.
I posted links for Amazon and Ebay. Thank you for watching.
Great test.I have a question,the bmpcc 4k's dc port need 12V power, how does this battery that has 6-8.4V could power up the camera?
FK CNWall it’s interesting because while the weipu port draws 12v it can be operated with a 8.4v battery.
BMPCC4k tech oh,thanks a lot. that's a good info.there's a lot of options to do this.
Then it has an internet step up transformer if it actually requires 12 volts.
I have the same setup with the dummy battery and battery bank and same monitor and love it so far. I wish your test was in a more accurate situation though (brighter colors and varying object) as I'm sure that consumes way more battery life from the screens than just a dark area
Hi . This will do FocusFoto Full Decoded LP-E6 Dummy Battery -Replacement?
Does this gives you any kind of trouble like frying the hdmi port? I read online that using the same power source for the monitor and camera could actually do that.
Wow this is awesome ! Talk about saving money over v mount batteries !
Not working for me, should i try with the dummy battery? i have exactly the same cables as shown on this video
Daniel Knust is the npf battery fully charged?
It would be interesting to see how much the battery life has improved after installing the new firmware update this week. I have noticed much longer battery with my P4K and I use the camera to provide phantom power to my mic, so that's a double whammy on my battery. I did not get an exact time, didn't think about that till now, but I'm pretty sure I was getting close to 40 min on the stock battery. If I did not power the mic I think it could get close to the 1 hour mark. Could you do an updated test and let us know your results? Thanks. Good luck with the channel!!
I did a test with the oem battery life with the new firmware and the battery life has improved by 10-15 min. Checkout the article on my blog.
www.bmpcc4k.tech/2019/02/06/firmware-update-6-1-test-battery-life-format-ssd-and-more/
I simply pluged my power cable on my Feelworld f6 monitor 8v output and works! without buying another battery. That will tested something like that?
The battery is not available and I cannot find a similar option, any help?
so i can just leave the original battery and get a dummy one?
That's a really cool battery being NPF should work for a lot of stuff, monitors, LED panels etc.
Interested in knowing how long it would last with only the Powerextra battery (no monitor) recording into a Cfast 2.0 memory card.
There`s no better light weight solution so far. I use the Baxxtar 10500 mAh NPF Battery, which lasts a bit longer. I´m only struggeling with power extension cables, which let power down the camera at half the time. Without extension it works til zero power. I tried several power extension cables. Some don`t even power up the camera and all others power down too early. Is ther a LP 6 dummy awith bit longer cable out there?
Cool - would there be a way to go from the battery to the DC input on the camera and skip the dummy battery altogether?
Why is the camera shooting without lens in the last test? Electronic lenses like the Sigma take up a lot of juice, I guess.
i have feelworld s55 and it cant power the camera with its dc output, i use dc to lp e6 adapter and at first thought that i was having a problem with the batteries, but later checked the monitor being powered from the dc source, and it still couldn't power the camera, camera can work only for 30seconds and reboots and the display quality suddenly degradates, saw topics of f568 owners having similar problems, guess it's just our luck D:
I get 2.5hrs with an external enclosure for 4 x 18650 batteries. Also has an integrated SSD dock and mounts to the camera without a cage
Tea Wales that’s a good solution. This one works for me since I use an external monitor and gives me a spot to mount the battery that isn’t in the way.
Hi, could you show us how your combo looks like?
great video
Did you leave the Lpe6 battery in the camera? I was using this solution before your video and have found there are unpredictable issues with the battery in camera and using an external SSD. Voltage apparently drops too low to support the SSD, charge battery and power the camera. Let me know, thanks. Otherwise I'm able to record lossless raw to a Crucial 1TB m.2 SSD and drive enclosure I put together off of Amazon for less than $100.
Charles Harris neither test used and lpe6 battery only one test used a dummy.
Im not sure about this monitor but the new Feelworld monitors come with DC out. Someone, to know if the DC out from the monitor could be used to power the BMPCC6 with a dummy battery?
This seems to be an awesome power solution for BMPCC 4k, but I always think it would be better to power the monitor independently, instead of powering both devices from the same source. I'm sure that would provide more battery life for the camera
Even though that would require two batteries instead of one... good point
Part of the convenience here is that the battery is mounted to the monitor.
How does the WD Blue drive work for you? Is it reliable at the highest quality setting? Also, in regards to the SSD case/caddy: is it reliable for swapping drives in and out?
Can that cause damage to the camera? via LEMO? is not enough voltage
The camera just shuts down if not enough current so no, it won’t damage the camera but you should note that if it powers down during a take, you will lose that entire take and not be able to recover what you shot. Best use for this solution is to keep the stock battery that comes with the camera in the battery compartment in the camera so if you do run down below the required voltage on the NPF it’ll switch to the in-cam battery and you can keep recording for about another 20 mins before having to change up.
Reginald Worthington if you’re recording in BRAW you’ll still have your last take if your camera dies:)
How do you compare this to the battery usage of the Moza Air? Also, am I able to fit the sd card holder, feelworld, and a shot gun mic on a half cage or is the full cage a must?
It's really interesting.
But what about wires? Is it possible to decrease their quantity? Or minimize construction in some other way?
Barbossa the best option would be to use a velcro strap to clean up the wires.
Yeah, is be scared of snagging the wires on something while recording crucial footage. Would have to tidy away those cables.
raksh9 yes this was for testing only because typically all the wires are secured.
this is a great video! you helped me a lot!
It may be a stupid question but, in order for the power to come from the power extra battery to the camera does the monitor has to be on?
Alexandre D'acol no
What cord are you using?? To get from the camera to the battery? Do you have a link for that as well or did it come with the camera or battery? Thanks!
I posted links for Amazon and Ebay. Thank you for watching.
Hi, I like your idea .But these are some questions, the np-f battery output is 7.2v and the bmpcc DC in needs 12v . If you change the npf battery to Bp-u battery with B-tap which output up to 12v.that makes science
it only powers on when battery(powerextra) is 100% if i want to turn it on with a 50% the camera wont turn on.any ideas?
Daniel Knust the external battery should get anywhere from 1.45-2 hrs record time and yes it cannot power the camera via the weipu at 50%. Maybe try powering the camera via the dummy for longer life since the weipu draws more power.
Something is confusing me, could you please note what was the difference between test 1 and 2? I totally do not get it. Both times you use the battery to power the camera. Why did you not use the monitor? Maybe it would have still kept supporting it.
I want to power my black magic monitor thru a Li-ion pack as well! I didn't understand your video well but is it more efficient to power it with a 2 cell battery via dummy battery or a 3 cell battery going in from the DC input? Thank you !
Hi is the dummy battery for the bmpcc4k the same as the battery for the bmpcc
Apparently, they don't make them anymore, it's unavailable on both ebay and amazon... can't find any other battery that has a DC output...
However, Feelworld monitors have a 8.4v dc output, does anyone know if it can power the BMPCC 4K ?
Thanks for your help
Any luck finding a battery with DC? I can't find anything that will ship internationally.
That’s weird I just bought two a few weeks ago and I just bought another one yesterday.
Can you use the DC output of the monitor with the dummy battery? I have a ton of NP style batteries already so curious if the monitor can supply power that way. Thx.
Check out Tom Antos' video on BMPCC4K power. He has a Feelworld F6 and apparently killed two NP-F batteries by plugging them in that way. I was surprised this way works.
Others have stated that powering the camera through the monitor dc out will burnout the monitor but no on has a video. I didn't attempt to because didn't want to find out the hard way. lol
@@bmpcc4ktech852 when you say burn out the monitor, do you mean the external monitor or the BMPCC4k's screen?
Have you used the FEELWORLD T7 7 inch 4K Camera Filed Video Monitor? Or do you know which is the better of the two?
I am running the same set-up but I cannot get it to power up unless the stock battery is in the camera... and even then somtimes I get the battery turning off... You were able to run the camera without the stock battery inside?
Has anyone bought the monitor kit from b and h? I got the kit but doesn’t come together! I got these batteries from Amazon what else do I need?
Thanks. How about some links to the battery cage and monitor?
I posted links for Amazon and Ebay. Thank you for watching.
How did you get an off the shelf SSD to work with the BMPCC4K, I've been trying to no luck
I had these old SSD's from my BMCC and glad they worked for all FPS. WD Blue are great and affordable.
BMPCC4k tech Ok cool since I have a bunch of ssds lying around I’ll try that too, which adapter did you use since the one I have to USB C doesn’t work
Impressive indeed. Thanks for the effort. But would the camera sitting there, doing the same image, not skew the results? Moving images and lots of variation (like real life) would presumably be way more taxing on the power?
Is that true? I never thought of that.
Brilliant option. Would love to try. Can you please share the link for amazon
I am Marathi www.amazon.com/dp/B01M189SS0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_Ix8rCb06XSJVA
would love to know how long it lasts without the external monitor!
LouisRafael maybe I’ll test that next. Good idea 💡
@@bmpcc4ktech852 Also how would you attach it to the camera without the monitor
@@Pierluca72 you can buy little base plates for it like this:
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FYSD1VC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Theres a 1/4" thread on the bottom
I get upto 3 hours with a Sony battery on a battery plate and leave a lpe6 canon battery in camera which helps give a longer life
jason mildwaters what Sony battery? Can you link it up for me?
so can work together with LPE6 still inside?
Hi !
I just got a BMPCC4K and already got a similar NPF battery with DC output, on my fotga monitor, with tilta BMPCC to DC cable,
I'm a bit surprised even if the camera says "AC", the LPE6 battery drains in 30min and the NPF battery is still full !
Any clue ?
Thanks for the video
Hi ! I wanted to know if I can power the BMPCC4K with NP-F970 batteries (7.4V) mounted on a Smallrig adapter that delivers 12V through the cable Smallrig 1819. Do you think it will work ? Thank you :)
ikusagami yes you can power via weipu or dummy. I would recommend dummy since it draws less power.
@@bmpcc4ktech852 yes but to use a dummy I would have to punch a hole in the battery slot :/
ikusagami no, the battery door comes off
@@bmpcc4ktech852 okay, and why is a dummy better? It draws less power so the NP-F970 lasts longer?
is there anyone know where can I find this in Australia? both the amazon and ebay sellers don't ship here. :(
Harrykise any luck?
www.ebay.com/itm/2Pack-7-4V-Li-ion-Battery-For-Sony-Camcorder-NP-F970-NP-F975-NP-F960-NP-F950-USA/292919885061
What would happen if you used the DC output of the monitor instead of the battery, they are both 8.4v out - and then you wouldn't need a battery with dc output?
I have heard some reports of the monitor getting fried doing that. Not sure why but could be based off the model monitor.
@@Redm0ndFilms Oh, that sounds bad. Have you heard if it only have happend on the Pocket 4k, or also other cameras?
Anyone in Australia have a link? Amazon wont ship, and its not on ebay.
I posted links for Amazon and Ebay. Thank you for watching.
Can it be done with a lipo battery?
on amazon some people say they issued a new version which doesn't work as good :( can someone confirm ?
It's true. I believe they changed it to where it doesn't give out as much power anymore :(
I got this setup and the battery cannot power my focus motor from the USB-the only attachment I have. I kind of banked my whole rig on this battery source and it ended up only being able to power the monitor for me. If you were looking for a battery that will power your rig, this will not work.
How do you charge the battery itself after it died?
This set-up will be work ? Moza air 2 ?
Does it consume less battery with an sd card instead of an ssd drive?
Audun Ystgaard slightly less power with sd.
what can yoy say about your hard drive? is not an SSD, is it? could yo please explain a litle bit more about? If you want to improve even more your battery life, I would recomend to use smallrig or tilta battery plates for those NP-F batteries, with the original LP-E6 battery fully charged. Once your NP-F battery dies, the LP-E6 battery begin to run, so, you have around 20 minutes to change your NP-F batery...
we have bought 2 exact same batteries (same brand) for the BMPCC 4k camera. The setup works fine for about 20 mins ( fully charged battery) and then the camera turns off. Do you know what the problem is?
Currently running this set same monitor and all. Ran into a problem curious if anyone else has run into it. If I try to shoot anything 60fps with this power setup bmpcc turn off right away.. but if I’m running just the camera battery it works fine. Anyone run into the problem?
How long do these batteries last?
I'm still confused about batteries, cuz I need something to work with Ronin-S , and for indoor shooting situations.
@BMPCC4k tech i was loosing my mind!!.. This Battery worked .. then stopped.. could not figure out why till i remembered that it stopped working after i removed the internal battery..Funny because the first battery i bought was the TalentCell Rechargeable 12V 6000mAh/5V 12000mAh which is great but did not realize how bulky it was.. The talentcell powers up the camera w/out a internal battery inside, but this power extra does not.. any ideas as to why?
Tony Fuego in my test in the video the powerextra battery powered the camera without an lpe6 and via dummy. Keep in mind per the BMD manual it is not recommended to power with a custom power source via the weipu and have a battery installed.
BMPCC4k thanx for the response. Good to know. My manual came on a SD card. Never really looked at it. Will get a dummy battery. Can even power it with my Moza air 2..
Did u put an lpe6 when you powered via weipu?
dcloud no because BMD discourages that when using a custom power solution.
Is there a way to mount this battery without using a monitor?
I would try a Sony NPF battery plate.
Sir how to charge powerextra battery Amazon link please ..
The dummy battery lasted longer because you unplugged the SSD halfway through, once you're recording on an SSD its takes alot more battery life, i wonder how much would it last on the SSD alone
Very nice test my friend
This is a great solution HOWEVER be aware that these batteries do not last very long. After just a couple of months I started getting half the battery life or less. The batteries will read 2 and even 3 bars of life left and yes it will run the camera BUT as soon as you hit record it does not have enough voltage to run everything and will shut off. The solution would be to get higher end name brand batteries and run it off the newer battery plates like the power junkie, tiltas plate, or the small rig plate.
Awesome. Could you share a link for the monitor?
Lee Brandt www.amazon.com/dp/B07H753SP1/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_tX9rCb888CK3V
something is probably wrong with connecting the power cord directly from the battery to the camera!!!
I have the same batteries as on your test and after a while the camera turns off. the battery freezes, shows nothing, and only after connecting to the charger comes back to life?
Any ideas why this is happening? I have identical monitor batteries and cables :(?
D Studio are you connecting via weipu or dummy battery? Also what firmware are you running?
@@bmpcc4ktech852 I found a problem :) The power cable attached to the camera has a looseness during which I suspect that there is a micro voltage drop. This causes the battery to freeze and turn off the camera. for a dummy battery works without a problem :). Now the question of what cable are you using for your camcorder is the original fron bm?
Can that SSD handle 4k60 RAW?
Augustine Zepeda yes only 4:1
@@bmpcc4ktech852 what SSD would you recommend for recording at the highest possible settings? I am thinking the Samsung 860 evo.
@@Ironmanhhh I think you should use a proven one there have been reports that not all SSD are compatible and it may also depend on the enclosure. The 860 is a very common ssd and I'm sure the speed is plenty fast enough for 4K 4:1 but you should read up on a list of currently compatible storage solutions
@@bmpcc4ktech852 What about BRAW 3:1 60fps? Can this drive handle it?
Nice! Exactly what I am looking for! I just wonder how the delay time of the Feelworld field monitor is in combination with the Bmpcc4k. I am actually considering to buy a SmallHD Focus for the Bmpcc4k but it is much more expensive than the Feelworld. Can you please make a video of how much delay time it has with the Bmpcc4k?
I have had both of them and they're both really good choices. The new feelworld is reviewed on my page and I LOVED it for the price.
@@theyoungtravelier ok cool! Can you give me the link to the Feelworld review? I looked for it on your page but I think I'm blind.
@@ringodemingo I might've buried the link but here it is.. not a long review but one of my short ones. Cliffnotes are great build quality, great screen, for a very affordable price. It worked on our RED, GH5s, and 1DXii.. YMMV
th-cam.com/video/Aa9wK-XurL0/w-d-xo.html&
Oh.. and to give you a reference, we sold the SmallHD Focus and just kept this.. for our expensive screens we did keep our 502 BRIGHT because it has SDI inputs but that's if you need that...
@@theyoungtravelier Thanks for the link. I'm gonna have look now.
How long does the battery last?
Hello. What ssd housing are you using?
Илья Канюк www.amazon.com/dp/B07169C4BG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_iLasCbHQGQG36
@@bmpcc4ktech852 are you using wd blue ssd? I thought that it can't handle RAW recording.
Илья Канюк WD Blue 500gb, can handle up to Raw 60fps 4:1.
@@bmpcc4ktech852 Can you also share the amazon link for the drive?
@@Mexploitation type in wd ssd 500gb
Hi sir without this monitor I can't use this battery ?
Yes! You'd just have to figure out, how your gonna rig the battery.
The 6K with 120 HFR will not work this way, (not enough power) plus the min your meant to go on the cameras 12v input for both the 4k and 6k os 10v,,,,NOT 7.4v. You have to get a dummy LPE6 batter which is allowed to 7.4v input.
Hi All, you can also use the BlindSpot Power Junkie - cvp.com/product/blind-spot-gear-bsg-1302-007-01-power-junkie
Along with the LP-E6 dummy battery - cvp.com/product/blind-spot-gear-bsg-1302-009-01-dummy-lp-e6
If you have any questions, you can drop me an email at ellis.beesley@cvp.com
Was there a battery already in the BMPC4K?
William Su the camera was powered by the NPF PowerExtra battery alone.
@@bmpcc4ktech852 have you tested it with the standard lpe6 + extended battery through weipu/12v?
Does it power up the camera through the usb port as well?
I heard that you have to connect at least 12V - is that right?
Yes, the BMPCC4k needs 12v. I believe these PowerExtra batteries used to come with 12v DC out, but the new ones only do 7.9v out which will not power the BMPCC4k. I have a sneaking suspicion that this battery was barely meeting the power requirements for the camera, and I've never seen anything that definitively says this setup wouldn't damage your camera. I really wish something like this would work though.
Nice video 👍 the link to the SSD you are using. thanks
I posted links for Amazon and Ebay. Thank you for watching.
Use the battery holder that bumps up the voltage to 12V.
Larry Vaughn that makes no sense since I am powering the monitor and camera with the same battery and have a place to mount it that is discrete.
I would be concerned powering the camera with 7.2-7.4v battery into a 12v input. Also how do we know in this test that there wasn't a battery in the camera as well.
Worked for me last night testing it but today recording failures everytime. Now it won't even work without a battery inside the camera at the same time as the external solution. I would not recommend this to people as a "reliable" solution. Use the Smallrig grey Sony battery option or a V mount as part of a rig. I would love for this option to be dependable but it's not ready for primetime.
-Jay
Recording failures are related to media speeds and not power source. I read on some forums that BMD did not recommend using external power via the weipu with a battery installed. If that is true then even a v-mount with a lpe6 installed will not work. Everyone should take precaution when testing and results may vary. Equipment failure may happen for many reasons and may not be directly related to the battery.
@@bmpcc4ktech852 I'm using the Samsung T5 SSD and have turned off the "cancel recording because of dropped frames" feature in the camera. I just wouldn't use this particular battery setup and depend on it for an important shoot. Just my experience with it so far.
@@jayfortech7279 interesting that BMD marketed the T5 ssd from the beginning and that is the only ssd I know of that works intermittently and has consistency issues. The power source does not effect dropped frames. Good luck with your setup.
would any SSD work?
A few of my older SSD dont work but I posted links for Amazon and Ebay. Thank you for watching.
can't find this in Europe :(
WearySisyphus Baxxtar PRO - PLUS Battery for Sony NP-F970 (10500mAh) - Black Series - LG Cells inside - with Powerbank function (USB and DC output) and Battery Check www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07DC5W6QH/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_SfjVDb41352VW
There is something I don’t understand and whoever, please help me to figure the math.
The little LP6 battery has 7.2 Voltage. Now with that battery you should be able to record even the highest RAW format, 50fps. Obviously, the power consumption will be massive so the battery will probably last around 20-30 minutes.
But everywhere is written that if you are using the external power source you need 12V so you need NPF plate that can step up from 7.4V to 12V but you are now saying, if you do it through dummy battery you will be fine with those 7.4V.
Now I want to know how much fine. Fine - yeah you will do anything you need and you are fine or like Fine, it will record but the heat of the battery is going to burn out the plate or the heat of dummy battery will burn out the camera.
Good question! I don't know much about electronics, but I know the equation P=U*I. So when you just use the half of the voltage (7,4V), you will need the double amount of current. It's more a question: but this double amount of current stresses the electronics much more I guess. I'm afraid that this may damage the camera on the long turn due to a higher wearing. Is there a electronics nerd around who could confirm of deny?
@@sun8716 "heat of dummy battery will burn out the camera." This is nonsense. Attaches a 6-8.4V battery to a 7.4v input. The positive difference is at most 1 volts. The camera's operating current is 2.5 Amperes. P = U * I. 1 * 2.5 = 2,5Watt. The circuit should heat up to 2.5W for a few minutes. Battery voltage drops rapidly after turning on, after only half a hour it is only 6.5V. It doesn't matter. The camera sensor continuously heats up to 10-15W. Even if you don't get the shot, which is a big problem, but you have a reason. The laser thermometer shows 100 degrees over the battery compartment while the metal parts are noticeably hotter. The fan will continue to run, even if the recording is off.
I don't know this is factory defective or normal but it's good to know.