Connor turns his brain off for videogames and obsesses over TV stories. Garnt turns his brain off for TV, and obsesses over game stories. Perfectly balanced.
I'm sorry but I cannot agree with Garnt on this. Connor is absolutely on point here. No matter how cool finally seeing Daenarys and the Dothraki in Westoros was, it could not justify and amend the devolution and betrayal of many of the characters and storylines that so many people invested a near decade into. At least Re:Creators remained mostly consistent with it's story and characters.
Understandable Personaly i watched it without this context of "dedicated fan waiting for the seasons to release" and so the later bad seasons are just more tolerable to me and mid at worst
I cannot even mention game of thrones and I was a die-hard fan, watched theories and everything. It was so bad it killed all of my interest about the setting, will never re-watch.
it's funny how Connor talks about how they could feel it being rushed in the end, and I'm like "damn that's everytime a manga gets a rushed/axed ending" and so TV fans now get that pain
I can understand what Garnt means. Later season is more interesting to him because its the effects and outcomes of past plots and ties multiple characters from different plots. The problem is to most people, like Conner, the writing became so bad its so hard to ignore and its difficult to enjoy the few cool moments.
My best friend said she'd never watch it (I didn't reccomend it, she just told me that out of the blue when GoT was the talk of the town), but I wasn't angry at all! I'm a diehard fan, but I knew that it wasn't her cup of tea, she was never big on political/fanasy dramas and that's ok. However, I fully agree. Seasons 1 through 4 are AMAZING, the only reason I can see someone not enjoying them is because of the genre thing. I also enjoyed AoT (sans the final arc) and it shares some similarities with GoT in the political sense. She doesn't plan on watching that either due to the political subplot and that's fine, I think both are...well, were shows with amazing potential that started off amazing but things went quickly downhill near the end.
To me Garnt is just coping that we didn't get the badassness of it being written properly and paced well, everyone wanted it to intertwine and interact with each faction but it was done terribly so we hated it
That "Fairy Tail" (13:13) part really struck a chord with me. Fantasy to mindless battle is one thing. Fantasy to its characters being the wrong kind of heated on the battlefield... is an anime thing.
The way Connor can be so aggro about finishing a long, in depth, story and dialogue heavy shoe show but STILL SKIP ALL CUTSCENES AND DIALOGUE IN GAMES blows my fucking mind
Nah not really a game is a game that is meant to emphasise game play which is why your playing it in the first place. A show on the other hand is meant to be watched and listened too
Grant just feels like he doesn't understand his own opinion. It's phrased so poorly it hurts. What I understood is that he enjoyed the payoff more than the build up. Thing is, yeah no shit. everyone does. The people's issue with what happened is that they literally got scammed with the payoff after the buildup they invested time in and expected a well written payoff from. It's like getting a car after you payed for a private jet. No one would say no to getting a car but you'd be mad as hell for getting that instead of what you've actually been waiting for. That's why people hate those seasons.
The quality drop after S4 was very noticable but I was still into it all the way through season 7. Then S8 happened and they just absolutely destroyed everything in 6 incredibly rushed episodes. It felt like they took what was supposed to be 2 seasons worth of story and abridged it to fit those 6 episodes, it was absolutely ridiculous.
For me: Season 1: Very well-written, but I didn't love it, but still interested. Season 2: Some flaws but for the most part very well-written and great payoff Season 3: A little slow paced, but the character development is phenomenal, it's where I started to love the show Season 4: Great character moments, amazing action, writing comes together, every plotline was equally engaging and interesting. Best season for sure Season 5: Mediocre, especially at the start, the writing quality goes down, but there are some good moments toward the end. Season 6: it has some of the best moments the entire show, but in between there's some bad writing, so the execution is a little messy. Not every plotline gets a satisfying payoff, but the last 2 episodes were amazing Season 7: it's fine I guess, but it just feels like a basic blockbuster with characters we already like Season 8: I don't think it's as bad as everyone says it is, I like some moments/aspects about it, but it has many many flaws, too rushed, the story is a total mess. Even the action scenes, besides the Hound vs the Mountain, were all disappointing.
I just don’t remember season 5 and 6 get this much hate when they where coming out it was peak television and people loved it and it’s hyped moments I really think think season 7&8 made people look back on the 5&6 with more distaste which is understandable beacause 7&8 ruined so much good but I still think at the time 5&6 where not as bashed on as people do nowadays
I understand where Garnt is coming from and yes in a vacuum seasons 7 and 8 of GOT are really really really cool the battles are awesome and hype AF, however what they did to every single character and how they got to the finale is so terrible and awful that it makes those cool battles a pointless spectacle and that is just not what GOT was, house of the dragon on the other hand HAS the spectacle but also has the amazing plot and characters to go with it
Allegedly, in Season 8, they writers were offered 10 episodes for Season 8, however the writers instead chose to rush it by making it 4 episodes. The reason why they wanted less episodes is because they were offered to do Star Wars movies and wanted to do that instead of GoT. Ironically, because Season 8 was such a failure, Disney withdrew their offer to write Star Wars movies.
I just rewatched got recently and I find myself in the middle of Garnt and Connor. I do think the really big decline of the show began in season 7 but up until season 6 there were so many really hype moments and great acting. Even the shit show that was season 8 were I tried to be non biased and give it a shot it still made me mad as fuck, but there were still some small moments and acting that we're actually good. When I finished it only one thought crossed my mind "fuck dumb and dumber".
tbf season 8 first 2 episode weren't even that bad , season 7 was ok but ending was pretty bad and season 7 basically builds everything for season 8 which basicaly destroyed the whole story , if season 8 was ok then peoples would have defiantly liked season 7
I think biggest problem with later season was that from what it looks like even author himself dont know how to finish all of that and how to clash all the stories together. When they started, it looked like by the time they catch up with books, rest of the books will be out. Hell it is now 11 years since last released book. They just couldnt wait anymore and had to rush the continuation out, because you cant say: Yea next season will be in 5 years after we finish writing the story. Books can work that way, movie series cant. Also as Connor pointed out, characters started to feel like they gets more stupid. But when you make big brain characters clash. Then some of them will end up being less smart them others.
I understand Garnt's controversial take on early vs. later GoT seasons in the sense that the later stuff is more exciting after all of the build up of the earlier seasons. The character meetups and reunions, after building up each story apart from one another, is very satisfying. Could the later seasons have been WAY better than they were? Yeah. But as someone who's read the books as well, the entire show could've been made much more interesting and complex if given more seasons and the time to breathe. Unfortunately, we were robbed of that. It is what it is. If the later seasons disappointed you and you haven't read the books, READ THE BOOKS! They're so damn gooooood~ Either way, enjoyment of a thing matters more than the quality of a thing, in the end. If Garnt enjoyed the latter half of the shows run, then that's his right. lol
I get Garnt's point of converging storylines and seeing stories come to fruition, but I was over it after the first episode John met Daenerys. The faults in season 6-8 were just too big to weigh up to characters meeting lol.
For me season 7 was just as bad as season 8, the latter is more hated because it's the finale but as individual seasons they have the same issues. Bad dialogue, wasted characters, excessive fan service in battles, over reliance on the "who cares? it's a fantasy show" argument, forgotten storylines, plot armor, ignoring the socio-political elements that made the first 4 seasons so good and a long etc.
I think it basically comes down to David and Dan being incredibly good at adapting content while not being good at making it from scratch. Like how someone can be an amazing editor but a bad writer. The music, world and actors who were strong before remained strong but bad writing is hard to get around.
I rather have them discontinue the show than create their poor excuse of a fanfic as a continuation. I have never been an avid fan or hater of something until I binge watched game of thrones. Its like seeing your child turn into a relentless astrologist.
@@arha13 GOT actually fcked me up, i cant invest my time watching other shows anymore just because of the bar GOT set for what a show worth watching is. Do you have any show recommendations that are on par with GOT? I really need to heal the hole GOT left in me.
When I had first heard about the backlash and how bad the fans got burned by GOT season 8, I immediately thought of Mass Effect 3. Both were series who’s latter half/ending were so bad that they ruined the enjoyment people had with the series. Not to mention they probably made people never want to replay/rewatch the series due to seeing everything that was built up either be wasted or go unresolved.
I feel like Garnt's opinion boils down to quality went down, but enjoyment went up. Which IMO is a fair opinion to have. I personally don't share it but I can see why some people might. Joey shitting on fairy tail felt like he just wanted to beat the horse some more. His analysis can be summed up the same as just about any other Shonen. And if you want an example of another show disappointing and infuriating their fanbase... "How I Met Your Mother" did it with 1 episode!
I slightly get what Garnt is saying because it was satisfying seeing all the storylines finally come together and getting some answers but this ONLY applies to season 6 imo. Season 7 the writing, pacing and dialogue took a huge hit and season 8 the same while ruining many of the story and character arcs making the last 2 seasons shorter just because the directors wanted to work on a different Job.
People are dragging Garnt in the comments, but I'm gonna side with him on this one. I enjoy seasons 5-7. Are they as good as the earlier seasons? Hell no, pretty much all of Connor's criticisms were spot on. But even if the later seasons (specifically season 7) are more "hollywood blockbuster", at least they're good hollywood blockbusters. After season 8, I realized that a show going from "amazing" to "average" is better then a show going from "amazing" to "terrible". That being said, I started watching the show after season 7 started, so I understand that people were more invested in the early seasons then I was.
I think Garnt likes stuff with good idea but bad executions is because as the Isekai guy he can then put in his own Head cannon on and make something bad, good in his head
Damn Connor explained that so well. Back in the day I read the books before 5 came out and it was immediately apparent that the writing quality went downhill. But it wasn't so bad that I had completely lost hope, but then 6 and 7 happened. Also the dialogue was so bad in the later seasons, like characters would just walk up to each other and say nothing. They would basically just be like "Hey remember when that thing happened?", and then that would be the scene.
Got Season 6 had episodes like "The Door" ""Battle of the bastards" and "The Winds of Winter" three of the best episode of all tv history. How some people say season six is shit just because is not based on the books is beyond me.
Doubt it, just like Garnt said he likes to turn off the brain and enjoy flashy action without care for shit writting, anime fans will give zero fucks if they are given cool animation and ost on the ending and call it a great ending, and most criticism will be dismissed.
But there's just 10 episodes left (depending how they adapt them). Even if every single one is absolute garbage, it won't be nearly as bad as GoT which was bad for 4 entire seasons!
@@cristiansturino3693 Not even close lmao. At least GoT did not do a throwaway last second asspool just because like for example imagine Jon orchestrating Ned's execution all along in the past in order to motivate him in the present or some shit. That would be fucking stupid and would ruin the huge emotional moment in retrospect, wouldn't it? Now AoT did exactly that with Eren and his mom. Absolutely retarded decision that does not serve any purpose except making the scenes that come before lose any emotional meaning. That's one of the many reasons why the last arc of AoT is awful. Ah and those wonderful bonus panels of destroyed Eldia that make the whole story meaningless, truly peak fiction
I fully agree with Garnt's take. While I can appreciate the overall objective quality of the first Season, Seasons 4 6 and 7 were just hype. They wanted to bring it to a close, so things were rushed and not executed perfectly, and watching it with that perspective and not expecting perfection, I think everyone would agree it's a pretty good show still. Dumbed down, but still good.
Well at least Rings of Power was shit from the start, so you can just nope out of there early. GOT’s amazing first half just made those last 2 seasons burn that much harder since everyone was already so invested.
Yes garnt turns off his brain for characters colliding shows; but a real one is a certain magical index, and all it is including spin-offs with railgun etc.
After season 4, they ran out of source material because George R. R. Martin had not finished the books (and he still hasn't finished). George R. R. Martin has made enough money to never write again, and that's why he will never finish the books. It is the main reason why HBO went with the past rather than the future with House of the Dragon. What annoys me the most is how rushed the final season was because dumb and dumber wanted to direct the new Star Wars movies but then they didn't get the job, so... they ruined Game of Thrones for nothing.
It’s a good show, but every bit I heard was different from the book was shit. The wedding, the coronation. It gives late Game of Thrones vibes of WHY?!
I want to see the meltdown of these 3 or of the fans listening to them when AOT ends with its absolute horrendous ending When talking about awful endings, GOT and AOT both do not take the cake but the whole bakery!
Season 6 is overral pretty good and has the best episode of the show imo (EP. 10). It does have some bad writing choices tho. Season 5 is simply an adaptation of both books 4 and 5 which are far worse than books 1-3. Apart from the Dorne and to an extent the Stannis stuff I really didn‘t mind season 5 either( + Hardhome, that was an amazing addition from the showrunners).
@@Reaz399 my favorite part is when a character swims in canal water with major gut wounds and shrugs it off with a nap and some soup before getting into a full tilt foot chase and a fight. Soup cures all after all.
The first seasons stories don't connect? Garnt, literally every actions you see from the Winterfell characters are caused by the Kings landing characters actions. You COULD say that Daenerys story doesn't connect, but that's also connected to Kings landing characters actions (the assassins, the Old guard joining her)
GOT's writing fell off a cliff precipitously after they ran out of book material and started writing fanfiction. Season 5 is when the show went to shit, not Season 8. People just weren't paying attention. Season 6 and 7 were marginally better, but Season 5 is where people started teleporting, character arcs were assassinated (Stannis, the whole Dorne plotline), internal logical consistency was thrown out the window and characters started acting like completely different people compared to how they were originally written (Jon Snow is probably the most consistently well written character throughout the show). To this day I have never seen any other piece of media's writing quality fall off a cliff like I did between S4 and S5. I disagree that S5 is where you "start to see the cracks". S5 is where you careen the whole caravan off a crevasse, where S6 and to a lesser degree S7 is where you barely get an ice pick into the wall as you're falling off the cliff, before the rope breaks and everyone dies at the bottom of the ravine anyway (S8). And yes, Connor is correct: House of the Dragon is actually great and reaches close to the heights of S1-3 of GOT.
Honestly.. I have never seen a TV show series (not anime, real life actors TV series..) that didn’t go to shit after the first 3-4 seasons.. after 4 seasons, they ALWAYS start to go to shit. It’s just inevitable unfortunately
The only thing that'll get me re-invested into the GoT world is a GoT Brotherhood because as long as the canon of a franchise is messed up I can't be invested in any spin-offs or sequels (*cough* Star Wars *cough*)
HOTD is more like the last couple of seasons minus the terrible writing. There is more of a focus on the cinematography and spectacle while GOT 1-4 seasons are shot like a high-budget TV show while the shots from seasons 5-8 and HOTD look like movie scenes. There is a lot more visual storytelling with characters' faces and blocking saying more than the dialogue. If you like the last season you should like HOTD more. It's missing some of the complex plot and spicy dialogue but it's still exciting and epic.
Wasn't the walking dead kinda the same? Where they fucked over the fans a good amount of the way through the story and it was a pretty hype tv show too. I remember in middle school, teachers and kids were talking about it.
@@SeNniN06 haha no worries man, I really love the breaker and new waves the art is genuinely God tier the writing plot and storywise has always seemed pretty standard to me and the ending I felt was pretty much the same.What it did really well is the emotional heights in battle scenes and the character writing required to build to those emotional climaxes are done superbly. And goomoonryong being general badass is always nice to see lol
Garnt, you're saying Beserk 2016 was a good Beserk adaptation. That's what your doing defending the writing of the later seasons of GOT. That and a bit of a hypothetical freak who say "the ending of the first FMA anime is way better than Brotherhood." Haven't met them but I can surmise they're out there given I can still find "original was a better show" takes in the wild.
@@alexandresobreiramartins9461 basically, I can concede that the begining of Brotherhood is rushed and if the begining is more important than the ending I can see someone liking it more.
@@stephensmith7327 yeah, no problem in liking it more. The problem is saying it's "better". That's a technical judgement of value that has nothing to do with liking or disliking it and needs to be supported by technical facts, which I doubt is actually possible in the case of FMA x Brotherhood. But that would be a lengthy discussion requiring multiple viewings and theoretical support.
@@stephensmith7327 😂 it’s rushed because fma already did 25 episodes of the exact same plot, watch the first 25 of fma and switch to brotherhood and it’s seamless
Connor turns his brain off for videogames and obsesses over TV stories. Garnt turns his brain off for TV, and obsesses over game stories. Perfectly balanced.
Yep thats sum it up
As all things should be
Joey there like 👁👄👁 ...
Dichotomy of trash taste
Joey: haha Pokemon go boop..
Garnt making sure he doesn't lose "worst take" this time
Long story short, Garnt just really loves crossovers.
I'm sorry but I cannot agree with Garnt on this. Connor is absolutely on point here. No matter how cool finally seeing Daenarys and the Dothraki in Westoros was, it could not justify and amend the devolution and betrayal of many of the characters and storylines that so many people invested a near decade into. At least Re:Creators remained mostly consistent with it's story and characters.
Understandable
Personaly i watched it without this context of "dedicated fan waiting for the seasons to release" and so the later bad seasons are just more tolerable to me and mid at worst
yeah same, there were a few satisfying moments but nothing can make up the monstrosity that is season 7 & 8
when you read the books you realize how nicely adapted the first seasons were and how shite everything after is
shit i just became one of those “the manga is better” people
I cannot even mention game of thrones and I was a die-hard fan, watched theories and everything.
It was so bad it killed all of my interest about the setting, will never re-watch.
Seasons 1-4: Peak Television
Season 5: Okay
Season 6: Okay with some great stuff sprinkled in
Seasons 7 & 8: Pretty terrible
7 wasn't terrible...8 was just a shit of an ending
@@osas2kul it's terrible in GOT standards.
@@ghosthunter0950 Yeah yeah...but terrible is a strong word
@@osas2kul It fumbled a ton of the material before it and was rushed
accurate assessment
You can see how tyrion's intelligence start slowly going away with his blonde hair as the seasons progress
11:30 Joey has such a perfect analogy, and just hearing him say it hurt so much.
it's funny how Connor talks about how they could feel it being rushed in the end, and I'm like "damn that's everytime a manga gets a rushed/axed ending" and so TV fans now get that pain
They always have, with season one shows that doesnt last long or canceled one offs
Shows that are great from start to finish are super rare (breaking bad)
There's a lot of that in tv too, although it was a lot more common in the pre golden age
Its all ways was a thing..rarly shows end well..they either being rushed or stretch
I can understand what Garnt means. Later season is more interesting to him because its the effects and outcomes of past plots and ties multiple characters from different plots. The problem is to most people, like Conner, the writing became so bad its so hard to ignore and its difficult to enjoy the few cool moments.
The only reason anyone would dislike game of thrones season 1-4 is because they simply do not like the genre. It's objectively amazing.
My best friend said she'd never watch it (I didn't reccomend it, she just told me that out of the blue when GoT was the talk of the town), but I wasn't angry at all! I'm a diehard fan, but I knew that it wasn't her cup of tea, she was never big on political/fanasy dramas and that's ok. However, I fully agree. Seasons 1 through 4 are AMAZING, the only reason I can see someone not enjoying them is because of the genre thing. I also enjoyed AoT (sans the final arc) and it shares some similarities with GoT in the political sense. She doesn't plan on watching that either due to the political subplot and that's fine, I think both are...well, were shows with amazing potential that started off amazing but things went quickly downhill near the end.
honestly prefer season 6 over 2 and 1
@@blank4106nah never as a season only episode 9 and 10 of season 6 were amazing
To me Garnt is just coping that we didn't get the badassness of it being written properly and paced well, everyone wanted it to intertwine and interact with each faction but it was done terribly so we hated it
joeys kingdom/fairytail analogy for game of thrones is so accurate lmfaoooo
That "Fairy Tail" (13:13) part really struck a chord with me. Fantasy to mindless battle is one thing. Fantasy to its characters being the wrong kind of heated on the battlefield... is an anime thing.
my favourite part was in season 8 when they started to play the game of thrones
They sang over all that ice (and fire)
I loved when we finally saw the house of dragons
The way Connor can be so aggro about finishing a long, in depth, story and dialogue heavy shoe show but STILL SKIP ALL CUTSCENES AND DIALOGUE IN GAMES blows my fucking mind
Nah not really a game is a game that is meant to emphasise game play which is why your playing it in the first place. A show on the other hand is meant to be watched and listened too
Grant just feels like he doesn't understand his own opinion. It's phrased so poorly it hurts.
What I understood is that he enjoyed the payoff more than the build up. Thing is, yeah no shit. everyone does.
The people's issue with what happened is that they literally got scammed with the payoff after the buildup they invested time in and expected a well written payoff from.
It's like getting a car after you payed for a private jet. No one would say no to getting a car but you'd be mad as hell for getting that instead of what you've actually been waiting for. That's why people hate those seasons.
I mean they built up Jon snow so hard we kind of got redherringed in the final season.
@@myyou7335 Jon Snow had less just justification for being alive in Seasons 7 and 8 than Ned Stark did post Season 1
The quality drop after S4 was very noticable but I was still into it all the way through season 7. Then S8 happened and they just absolutely destroyed everything in 6 incredibly rushed episodes. It felt like they took what was supposed to be 2 seasons worth of story and abridged it to fit those 6 episodes, it was absolutely ridiculous.
For me:
Season 1: Very well-written, but I didn't love it, but still interested.
Season 2: Some flaws but for the most part very well-written and great payoff
Season 3: A little slow paced, but the character development is phenomenal, it's where I started to love the show
Season 4: Great character moments, amazing action, writing comes together, every plotline was equally engaging and interesting. Best season for sure
Season 5: Mediocre, especially at the start, the writing quality goes down, but there are some good moments toward the end.
Season 6: it has some of the best moments the entire show, but in between there's some bad writing, so the execution is a little messy. Not every plotline gets a satisfying payoff, but the last 2 episodes were amazing
Season 7: it's fine I guess, but it just feels like a basic blockbuster with characters we already like
Season 8: I don't think it's as bad as everyone says it is, I like some moments/aspects about it, but it has many many flaws, too rushed, the story is a total mess. Even the action scenes, besides the Hound vs the Mountain, were all disappointing.
8 :Its more bad then everyone say.
Garnt comes across as smart and a genuinely likable guy but honestly some of his opinions are just so weird.
Even the smartest people are gonna have dumb takes from time to time
I just don’t remember season 5 and 6 get this much hate when they where coming out it was peak television and people loved it and it’s hyped moments
I really think think season 7&8 made people look back on the 5&6 with more distaste which is understandable beacause 7&8 ruined so much good but I still think at the time 5&6 where not as bashed on as people do nowadays
I like how every now and then, a different member of the group justifies the name of their podcast.
I understand where Garnt is coming from and yes in a vacuum seasons 7 and 8 of GOT are really really really cool the battles are awesome and hype AF, however what they did to every single character and how they got to the finale is so terrible and awful that it makes those cool battles a pointless spectacle and that is just not what GOT was, house of the dragon on the other hand HAS the spectacle but also has the amazing plot and characters to go with it
The best show I compare it to is FMA Original.
@@stephensmith7327 Remake better
@@randomonlineuser6401 I meant in how it went as a adaptation and in terms of quality as time went on
fights were great ? don't you remember the darkness ? or the bank barely having an army despite being told many times you don't fuck with them.
Nah. Even in a vacuum, seasons 7 and 8 are ass.
Allegedly, in Season 8, they writers were offered 10 episodes for Season 8, however the writers instead chose to rush it by making it 4 episodes. The reason why they wanted less episodes is because they were offered to do Star Wars movies and wanted to do that instead of GoT. Ironically, because Season 8 was such a failure, Disney withdrew their offer to write Star Wars movies.
I don't know if Garnt reads books without drawings, but he should really read the books, then he'll realize.
I just rewatched got recently and I find myself in the middle of Garnt and Connor. I do think the really big decline of the show began in season 7 but up until season 6 there were so many really hype moments and great acting. Even the shit show that was season 8 were I tried to be non biased and give it a shot it still made me mad as fuck, but there were still some small moments and acting that we're actually good. When I finished it only one thought crossed my mind "fuck dumb and dumber".
I agree, i think season 5 and 6 are actually good , especially season 6 which had bangers like The Door, Battle of the Bastards, and Winds of Winter.
tbf season 8 first 2 episode weren't even that bad , season 7 was ok but ending was pretty bad and season 7 basically builds everything for season 8 which basicaly destroyed the whole story , if season 8 was ok then peoples would have defiantly liked season 7
I think biggest problem with later season was that from what it looks like even author himself dont know how to finish all of that and how to clash all the stories together. When they started, it looked like by the time they catch up with books, rest of the books will be out. Hell it is now 11 years since last released book. They just couldnt wait anymore and had to rush the continuation out, because you cant say: Yea next season will be in 5 years after we finish writing the story. Books can work that way, movie series cant.
Also as Connor pointed out, characters started to feel like they gets more stupid. But when you make big brain characters clash. Then some of them will end up being less smart them others.
I understand Garnt's controversial take on early vs. later GoT seasons in the sense that the later stuff is more exciting after all of the build up of the earlier seasons. The character meetups and reunions, after building up each story apart from one another, is very satisfying. Could the later seasons have been WAY better than they were? Yeah. But as someone who's read the books as well, the entire show could've been made much more interesting and complex if given more seasons and the time to breathe. Unfortunately, we were robbed of that. It is what it is. If the later seasons disappointed you and you haven't read the books, READ THE BOOKS! They're so damn gooooood~
Either way, enjoyment of a thing matters more than the quality of a thing, in the end. If Garnt enjoyed the latter half of the shows run, then that's his right. lol
I get Garnt's point of converging storylines and seeing stories come to fruition, but I was over it after the first episode John met Daenerys. The faults in season 6-8 were just too big to weigh up to characters meeting lol.
5 and 6 was amazing still, 7 and 8 was a very fast downhill to ruins
If I live to see the book ending of GoT... I really want to see how George will make bran the king
My other comment aside, HOTG is absolutley phenomenal highly recommended for GOT readers or watchers
For me season 7 was just as bad as season 8, the latter is more hated because it's the finale but as individual seasons they have the same issues. Bad dialogue, wasted characters, excessive fan service in battles, over reliance on the "who cares? it's a fantasy show" argument, forgotten storylines, plot armor, ignoring the socio-political elements that made the first 4 seasons so good and a long etc.
General audiences were pretty forgiving of Season 7's flaws. I knew it was going downhill but my cope was that they'd fix it in the last season
13:08 “that hyped, that big of a deal, that f*d up that bad”
Promised Neverland Season 2
I feel bad
13:00 "Like can you think of a TV show that burns it's fan base harder?"
Netflix The Witcher: Watch me.
Trash taste Special: Joey watches all of Game of Thrones in one sitting
TRASH taste special: Garnt watches FMA in one sitting 😂to be qualified to give opinions again
At the core of gigguks point I do agree that I can watch something objectively bad and enjoy it more then something that's objectively good.
I think it basically comes down to David and Dan being incredibly good at adapting content while not being good at making it from scratch. Like how someone can be an amazing editor but a bad writer. The music, world and actors who were strong before remained strong but bad writing is hard to get around.
I rather have them discontinue the show than create their poor excuse of a fanfic as a continuation. I have never been an avid fan or hater of something until I binge watched game of thrones. Its like seeing your child turn into a relentless astrologist.
@@Wombat627 same here. Wish they could’ve waited for future books (which may or may not come to be fair) or just stopped
@@arha13 GOT actually fcked me up, i cant invest my time watching other shows anymore just because of the bar GOT set for what a show worth watching is.
Do you have any show recommendations that are on par with GOT? I really need to heal the hole GOT left in me.
not to be confused with GOT 5-8, thats a different show
@@Wombat627 unfortunately I barely watch tv. Pretty much just GOT and anime lol
When I had first heard about the backlash and how bad the fans got burned by GOT season 8, I immediately thought of Mass Effect 3.
Both were series who’s latter half/ending were so bad that they ruined the enjoyment people had with the series.
Not to mention they probably made people never want to replay/rewatch the series due to seeing everything that was built up either be wasted or go unresolved.
At least Mass Effect 3 got a sort-of a good send-off with the Citadal DLC, which at least allowed fans to pretend that this was the true ending.
I feel like Garnt's opinion boils down to quality went down, but enjoyment went up. Which IMO is a fair opinion to have. I personally don't share it but I can see why some people might. Joey shitting on fairy tail felt like he just wanted to beat the horse some more. His analysis can be summed up the same as just about any other Shonen. And if you want an example of another show disappointing and infuriating their fanbase... "How I Met Your Mother" did it with 1 episode!
I slightly get what Garnt is saying because it was satisfying seeing all the storylines finally come together and getting some answers but this ONLY applies to season 6 imo. Season 7 the writing, pacing and dialogue took a huge hit and season 8 the same while ruining many of the story and character arcs making the last 2 seasons shorter just because the directors wanted to work on a different Job.
13:00 wonder egg priority
Leaving up to the name 'trash taste'... Gigguk never change
People are dragging Garnt in the comments, but I'm gonna side with him on this one. I enjoy seasons 5-7. Are they as good as the earlier seasons? Hell no, pretty much all of Connor's criticisms were spot on. But even if the later seasons (specifically season 7) are more "hollywood blockbuster", at least they're good hollywood blockbusters. After season 8, I realized that a show going from "amazing" to "average" is better then a show going from "amazing" to "terrible".
That being said, I started watching the show after season 7 started, so I understand that people were more invested in the early seasons then I was.
I think Garnt likes stuff with good idea but bad executions is because as the Isekai guy he can then put in his own Head cannon on and make something bad, good in his head
Damn Connor explained that so well. Back in the day I read the books before 5 came out and it was immediately apparent that the writing quality went downhill. But it wasn't so bad that I had completely lost hope, but then 6 and 7 happened. Also the dialogue was so bad in the later seasons, like characters would just walk up to each other and say nothing. They would basically just be like "Hey remember when that thing happened?", and then that would be the scene.
Never back down, only double down. That's m'boy.
Garnt's opinion actually makes total sense to me when you listen to his whole argument.
Got Season 6 had episodes like "The Door" ""Battle of the bastards" and "The Winds of Winter" three of the best episode of all tv history. How some people say season six is shit just because is not based on the books is beyond me.
well, those are 3 episodes out of a season. it can still be shit
😂 not even close to the best 15 episodes of tv
@@randalthekidd7006that’s nonsense
It's not just them running out of books as season 5 basically waffle stomped books 4 and 5
the Kingdom to Fairy Tail comparison is so on point
Season 8, biggest betrayal since Judas.
One of the few times that Connor is actually right
I understand Garnts opinion completely now, and I respect it, its fair. Wrong, but fair 😂
Beautifully said
It's only around 200 years before the time of the original series.
Can't wait for them to have the exact same conversation when Attack on Titan ends.
Doubt it, just like Garnt said he likes to turn off the brain and enjoy flashy action without care for shit writting, anime fans will give zero fucks if they are given cool animation and ost on the ending and call it a great ending, and most criticism will be dismissed.
AoT's ending was pretty lacklustre but nowhere near as bad as GoT
But there's just 10 episodes left (depending how they adapt them). Even if every single one is absolute garbage, it won't be nearly as bad as GoT which was bad for 4 entire seasons!
@@Ash_Wen-li Still can see them having the same stances, Grant will definitely try to defend the incest part.
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idk about that they've made fun on Demon Slayer for its story and the animation in there is inane
Garnt be like “Pew Pew Pew, brain turned off”
Can’t wait to hear the discussion of AoT’s ending, now that is pure garbage
GOT S8 is 10000 million times worse than the AOT ending come on stop that
@@cristiansturino3693 Not even close lmao. At least GoT did not do a throwaway last second asspool just because like for example imagine Jon orchestrating Ned's execution all along in the past in order to motivate him in the present or some shit. That would be fucking stupid and would ruin the huge emotional moment in retrospect, wouldn't it? Now AoT did exactly that with Eren and his mom. Absolutely retarded decision that does not serve any purpose except making the scenes that come before lose any emotional meaning. That's one of the many reasons why the last arc of AoT is awful. Ah and those wonderful bonus panels of destroyed Eldia that make the whole story meaningless, truly peak fiction
@@cristiansturino3693 it’s like identical levels of dogshit
@@n7greytrue I hate aot ending but like got ending was worse honestly
Me trying to listen to garnt use a paragraphs worth of words just to say he likes “trash content” is just funny asf
I fully agree with Garnt's take. While I can appreciate the overall objective quality of the first Season, Seasons 4 6 and 7 were just hype. They wanted to bring it to a close, so things were rushed and not executed perfectly, and watching it with that perspective and not expecting perfection, I think everyone would agree it's a pretty good show still. Dumbed down, but still good.
Connor: "Can you think of a tv show that burnt its fanbase harder?"
Every Lotr fan who watched Rings of Power: 👁👄👁
Well at least Rings of Power was shit from the start, so you can just nope out of there early. GOT’s amazing first half just made those last 2 seasons burn that much harder since everyone was already so invested.
Rings of power didn't have a start of fun base to burn
Difference is everyone was skeptical of the show from the get go, and therefore people didnt have high expectations.
Yes garnt turns off his brain for characters colliding shows; but a real one is a certain magical index, and all it is including spin-offs with railgun etc.
Connor preaching the good word here
This really just reminded me how good game of thrones was
I agree with Connor so much!
The writers didn't run out of books, there is like a million different stories they could have done from the books
After season 4, they ran out of source material because George R. R. Martin had not finished the books (and he still hasn't finished). George R. R. Martin has made enough money to never write again, and that's why he will never finish the books. It is the main reason why HBO went with the past rather than the future with House of the Dragon. What annoys me the most is how rushed the final season was because dumb and dumber wanted to direct the new Star Wars movies but then they didn't get the job, so... they ruined Game of Thrones for nothing.
9:43 the walking dead be like
It’s a good show, but every bit I heard was different from the book was shit. The wedding, the coronation. It gives late Game of Thrones vibes of WHY?!
I want to see the meltdown of these 3 or of the fans listening to them when AOT ends with its absolute horrendous ending
When talking about awful endings, GOT and AOT both do not take the cake but the whole bakery!
I love AOT's ending what are you talking about, yeah it isn't perfect, but it totally made sense at least unlike GOT
Huge coming from a guy that haven’t finish full metal alchemist
The Garnt half is just spectacle, so I wouldn't say he got interested in GoT
Garnt sounds like he would tell me the Fallout 4 faction system was good because of what it tried to do.
fascinating
Season 5 and 6 are underrated
Season 6 is overral pretty good and has the best episode of the show imo (EP. 10). It does have some bad writing choices tho. Season 5 is simply an adaptation of both books 4 and 5 which are far worse than books 1-3. Apart from the Dorne and to an extent the Stannis stuff I really didn‘t mind season 5 either( + Hardhome, that was an amazing addition from the showrunners).
they did some crazy fuckups in 5 and 6 too, but it was tolerable. its crazy how they still had 2 more books to adapt after s4 but they chose not to
@@Reaz399 my favorite part is when a character swims in canal water with major gut wounds and shrugs it off with a nap and some soup before getting into a full tilt foot chase and a fight. Soup cures all after all.
The first seasons stories don't connect? Garnt, literally every actions you see from the Winterfell characters are caused by the Kings landing characters actions. You COULD say that Daenerys story doesn't connect, but that's also connected to Kings landing characters actions (the assassins, the Old guard joining her)
GOT's writing fell off a cliff precipitously after they ran out of book material and started writing fanfiction. Season 5 is when the show went to shit, not Season 8. People just weren't paying attention.
Season 6 and 7 were marginally better, but Season 5 is where people started teleporting, character arcs were assassinated (Stannis, the whole Dorne plotline), internal logical consistency was thrown out the window and characters started acting like completely different people compared to how they were originally written (Jon Snow is probably the most consistently well written character throughout the show). To this day I have never seen any other piece of media's writing quality fall off a cliff like I did between S4 and S5.
I disagree that S5 is where you "start to see the cracks". S5 is where you careen the whole caravan off a crevasse, where S6 and to a lesser degree S7 is where you barely get an ice pick into the wall as you're falling off the cliff, before the rope breaks and everyone dies at the bottom of the ravine anyway (S8).
And yes, Connor is correct: House of the Dragon is actually great and reaches close to the heights of S1-3 of GOT.
It would have been nice to see Tyrion meet Dany and stuff. But was he Tyrion in the show at that point?
Honestly.. I have never seen a TV show series (not anime, real life actors TV series..) that didn’t go to shit after the first 3-4 seasons.. after 4 seasons, they ALWAYS start to go to shit. It’s just inevitable unfortunately
The only thing that'll get me re-invested into the GoT world is a GoT Brotherhood because as long as the canon of a franchise is messed up I can't be invested in any spin-offs or sequels (*cough* Star Wars *cough*)
I can relate to both takes tbh 🤷
Kinda like God of highschool? Amazing animation and fight scene but they skipped the story entirely.
HOTD is more like the last couple of seasons minus the terrible writing. There is more of a focus on the cinematography and spectacle while GOT 1-4 seasons are shot like a high-budget TV show while the shots from seasons 5-8 and HOTD look like movie scenes. There is a lot more visual storytelling with characters' faces and blocking saying more than the dialogue. If you like the last season you should like HOTD more. It's missing some of the complex plot and spicy dialogue but it's still exciting and epic.
HOTD takes place around 170 years before GOT, not 300-400.
Wasn't the walking dead kinda the same? Where they fucked over the fans a good amount of the way through the story and it was a pretty hype tv show too. I remember in middle school, teachers and kids were talking about it.
13:04 Yeah... Dexter... that ending was atrocious.
GoT couldve dethroned breaking bad's reign of everyone thinking its peak television, but they fumbled it so fucking bad.
As a GOT youtuber I have never been so offended and insulted in my entire life.
Love your stuff. Didn't know you were a trash taste fan.
@@johndoe-wd9fh I WAS a trash taste fan. I can't in good conscience be one now
@@JasperLane Connor at least didn't have a totally shit opinion.
The monkE becomes ApE
176 or 172 years though I think
As shit as it turned out it’s still better than alot of shows lol the world carries it
1-4 best thing ever put on tv, 5-6 solid but noticeable dip in quality, 7-8 hot garbage with big budget fight scenes
"I have my own preferences "
Yeah, they are shit
The worst ending through all film/books is in a manhwa called Breakers. It's a awesome read, but don't tell me any ending can be worse.
Do you mean the breaker?
And new waves I guess
Put noblesse in there too, such a shame since I actually liked it prior to the last 2 chapters.
@0w0 Lord yea i meant breaker i always call it breakers lol
@@SeNniN06 haha no worries man, I really love the breaker and new waves the art is genuinely God tier the writing plot and storywise has always seemed pretty standard to me and the ending I felt was pretty much the same.What it did really well is the emotional heights in battle scenes and the character writing required to build to those emotional climaxes are done superbly. And goomoonryong being general badass is always nice to see lol
Garnt, you're saying Beserk 2016 was a good Beserk adaptation. That's what your doing defending the writing of the later seasons of GOT. That and a bit of a hypothetical freak who say "the ending of the first FMA anime is way better than Brotherhood." Haven't met them but I can surmise they're out there given I can still find "original was a better show" takes in the wild.
Arkada from Glass Reflection is one of those about FMA.
@@alexandresobreiramartins9461 specifically the ending. Because he can say the show overall is better but I think that ending is a fucking mess.
@@alexandresobreiramartins9461 basically, I can concede that the begining of Brotherhood is rushed and if the begining is more important than the ending I can see someone liking it more.
@@stephensmith7327 yeah, no problem in liking it more. The problem is saying it's "better". That's a technical judgement of value that has nothing to do with liking or disliking it and needs to be supported by technical facts, which I doubt is actually possible in the case of FMA x Brotherhood. But that would be a lengthy discussion requiring multiple viewings and theoretical support.
@@stephensmith7327 😂 it’s rushed because fma already did 25 episodes of the exact same plot, watch the first 25 of fma and switch to brotherhood and it’s seamless
Oh yess Trash Taste😂
I guess they never watched Lost.
Joey needs to watch GoT 🤣
I never watched the TV show, is it worth reading the books?
Read the books and watch the show. Two of the highest quality of art you’re ever going to experience
i agree with connor but you can seriously blame the fanbase for the way the last seasons go, all you "if john snow or daenarhys die we riot" people.