For someone unaware like me, can someone point which cosmic entities are there in the comic (like frames around 8:09 ) and which one is which now that they look different.
Ego, Living Tribunal, Eternity, Infinity, Oblivion, In-Betweener. That’s off the top of my head, I’m on my couch and I don’t remember the page exactly lol
On the left from top down you have Eon, Entropy, Living Tribunal, Infinity, The One Above All, and Phoenix. On the right from top down, you have Celestials, The Watcher, Oblivion, The In-Betweener, The Fulcrum, Death, and Eternity.
"In addition to operating a weighing station without a license, Anubis was caught red-handed trafficking souls to the afterlife, alongside his co-conspirator: Osiris! The defendant is not a 'good boy'. "
Crazy after all the years of TH-cam and watching rob I see a video in the first 30 seconds haha. Got into comics and writing stories in 6th grade because of this channel and am releasing my first book soon. Thank you, Rob!
Every time I wake up and get ready for work I ALWAYS go to Rob! He never disappoints, I’m always like o a video out for 30-60 mins, I love it! Then on my two hour commute I put on his old old stuff that I realized I missed , basically I’m saying Rob is a GOAT! His content makes my daily grind of a two bus commute feel like it’s the length of his average video, @comics_explained , tysm! ❤❤
@@Maxrepfitgm Is he really or they have no other idea what to do with him other than giving him an increasing level of omnipotence? I bet you he does not even know of TOBA or the mother of horrors!
Phoenix clearly displays cosmic awareness and thus showing right off the back, she is not to be trifled with let alone turning someone into a whole star council: "meh we can take her. She needs to abide by our laws, even though she is clearly a force of cosmic nature and thus the laws of mortals have absolutely zero sway on her and it should in fact be the other way around. We are the council so we have that good big D energy and thus she must submit" like they realize she could have turned that entire room into a star from cross the universe with ease.
The guy who usually gives the Cosmic entities physical forms must've been drunk, high, or both when Eternity and Living Tribunal asked for a commission. And it's about time Jean was offered membership to the Cosmic Entities club. If flipping Ulysses from Civil War 2 is allowed, they should be able to let anyone in.
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache wait aren’t you the guy who was exposed for sending weird messages to vtubers? And for defending loli? YOOOO IT IS YOU!
@@ezaf5989 For anyone wondering what this person's problem with me is, he started up something like this in one of Rob's videos under one of my comments. He really insists that all VTubers are little girls. Really wants to push this idea that anyone who watches VTubers is a la a "Diddy". Clearly, a VTuber or I did something to him and he is holding a grudge. When I offered a counter to his claim of how all VTubers aren't all little girls, he went radio silent. And then went out of their way to find me here.
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache do you still not understand we can all see your public subscriptions? you have been called out by 20+ people about sending creepy messages to vtubers but refuse to reply. name one grown man with a great life that spends ANY of his free time being parasocial online to vtubers. ill wait!
@ You being able to see my subscriptions makes even less sense why you make those claims when you can see grown men and women in there. That mixed with the fact that it went from 3 people calling me out to now it's 20+ over the course of an hour? Something's fishy here, and it's not me. If you have to actively fudge the numbers so that you have a horse in this race, I'm confident in saying you never had a leg to stand on. You knew you were making things up, but you thought if you were loud enough people would think you were right. That's why I say, I know I have evidence to my benefit. I know my odds are good. If you want to flip that coin, go for it. If you're as confident as I am, you won't have any problem with it. I will happily name you VTubers I follow that disprove your claim all VTubers are little girls.
@@shifftybeast8974 Jean has been so, for a longer time most of the women in comics you're thinking of, even existed. Jean being strong is very far from "woke trend of making all girls op". Phoenix was meant to be a cosmic hero since her introduction, many, many decades ago.
@ligeiasiren4290 I know Jean had been strong and I said I love Jean. What I'm tired of is every story now, every woman is becoming the best and over powered. That particular troupe is becoming played out. This should have been done with Jean ages ago. It just sucks that they wait till now when they are doing it with every female in comics. Do you need examples. I've been reading comics since the 80s and have never had a problem with strong female characters. But now they are ALL strong. Put against any man the female wings 9 out of 10 times.
A fight between Franklin and Jean as she is now would have to be a full on multiverse reset kind of event. There's no way you could do that without all of the Marvel landscape changing.
The writer truly is going out of her way to fix decades of terrible editorial decisions against Jean. I love to see that. Hopefully this will set the basis for a proper development for the character in the MCU. I enjoyed Famke's Jean, but the idea that she has no die to pay for her power is really tired at this point. And Sophie Turner was just the wrong casting choice, IMO. Can't wait to see what's next for Phoenix in the big screen. In my opinion, Saoirse Ronan would be a fantastic Jean Grey.
Bout time Phoenix got a comic She's OP and stuff but still it could maybe work Phoenix is like the primary force of life. She should be a hero of her own story at least once.
Galactic Politicians: "You killed Ghor and are bypassed our position" Anyone with a brain "You let Ghor lose under the impression you could control someone capable of killing gods, enslaving entire worlds, time travel, and more while gradually getting stronger while doing it....Clearly, you're position deserved to be overthrown."
They feel there position in the universe get smaller. and back in the Day, they kept tabs on The Phoenix by killing, capturing, threatening it's host. (Jean Grey) Now the host and the Phoenix are one entity now. And there scared shitless. Having no control or power over her at all.
It makes perfect sense to me. I've been thinking about this ever since Al Ewing's Defenders Beyond when the Beyonder says that he's weaker than the Phoenix, especially in the White Hot Room. It's very simple to me. the Phoenix Force represents all life, the Beyonders are alive, why, because of the Phoenix Force. The Phoenix Force gives life, it can take it away too. Jean is now a being of creation itself.
Call me old school, but I prefer the non anthropomorphized cosmic entities. It doesn't make sense like a universal constant like Eternity would just be some regular, super-hero type singular person, with a personality, agenda and very-human like. Something like eternity should be infinite and a force, not some whimsical personality that's concerned with singular persons in a universe of trillions of trillions of people and trillions of stars. Having them super-hero type characters as well gets into the silly really quick with very strong super-heroes like Apocalypse being about to beat them in fights, that shouldn't even be possible in comic-book logic.
They don’t have a real form. They’re concepts and forces. They only appear as they do because they requested a form to make it possible to interact with existence.
@@DezzyyyI don't remember a story where the living tribunal was used as something else but a huge plug for plot holes, do you? The cosmic entities are in shambles at the moment, they are over worked to my opinion, to many are popping out every other story, it's losing it's impact, especially as the cosmic entities are being written like they are superheroes with values, morales, talking like they are humans, it just shows bad writing to me. In the past, when a cosmic entity was in a story I would get excited about how things will go down, now it's just another week at Marvel, thats not a good feeling, but I guess it's just a personal opinion.
It is _so bloody good_ to see Jean get so much love and respect. I can’t wait until the MCU finally brings in Jean Grey/Phoenix. And hopefully, they won’t drop the ball a third time… Regarding your question as to what role Phoenix plays in the Pantheon, I have an answer pending my own question. Is there the entity “Life?” I know there’s Death. But to my knowledge, I can’t remember if there’s a Life? If not, given that Phoenix is said to be Creation itself in this comic, I’d say that Phoenix’s role has been established as _Creation/Life_ - the antithesis of Lady Death.
She’s life and Death at the same time. She ranks higher than Death because she can never truly die. And ranks higher than Oblivion because she can emerge from nothing.
@@WhitePhoenixJeanAllegedly she was approached to play Scarlet Witch and declined. But she has expressed interest in the Marvel cinematic universe in the past. Hopefully she auditions for Jean, she's perfect for the role.
That’s awesome to have The Fulcrum back. I hope they expound upon on his story. The new abstract looking version the Living Tribunal sucks. Adam Warlock looked dope as LT.
I mean, willing yourself back from the dead is THE MOST POWERFUL version of 'cannot be killed' This Jean grey is more powerful than superman and maybe even as powerful as any cosmic entity besides the one above all for that very reason. As long as any life exists, she will exist in some form, and have the ability to will herself back into existence. AND when she does she is not just the phoenix, she is Jean Grey/Phoenix, the multiversal telepath reality warper cosmic entity. She can really only be temporarily weakened and really only in theory because the Phoenix draws power from the existence of life past present and future, so its power should never be able to be supressed against its will because if those lives weren't going to be lived the phoenix would never have drawn power from them in the first place. In theory she can escape any attempt at containment because she could just teleport vast distances or just break out, and you basically can't dominate her mind.
you have NO CLUE how much joy it gives me that you're covering and enjoying this Phoenix run! My re entry into comics came back with Phoenix Resurrection #1 and discovered your channel soon after. Musta seen EVERY reference you've made to Jean/Phoenix since then and it's like the very fire of rebirth itself (😂) to hear your pleasure again. Keep up the great work! 👍🏾💜
Rob, i need to hear more philosophical stories tied into these comics, in the same way you tied pltos cave to previous comics. It added an extra layer to your stories. Many thanks!
The shackles have finally come off from Jean. Now we are about to see just how powerful she and The Phoenix will become, I'm excited to see where this goes.
It would be really cool to have the phoenix force and Franklin Richards recreate the MCU after Secret Wars if it wasn’t for Fox exhausting viewers of the Dark Phoenix story
Here's my question. Recently, Thor was told that his mother was the Phoenix. Now, Jean is told she is the Phoenix. Does that make Jean the mother of Thor?!😅
I don't think the idea of Thor being the Phoenix' son will ever be revisited TBH. It was just the writer's attempt to give Thor Jean's power/lore, and Marvel seems to be going into the opposite direction with this book. Jean was once nerfed and killed, because of Thor, to make sure she wouldn't outshine the male heroes in the Marvel roster. I don't think they will legitimately link the Phoenix with Thor, to that degree. If anything, they're trying to permanently merge Jean Grey/Phoenix as the same concept. And I doubt they're gonna make her Thor's mom, lol.
Thanks so much for this. This was awesome, Rob! I can't wait to read this! I'm going to wait until the run is complete and then try to buy the whole collection.
Finally a character being organically developed through excellent storytelling. Jean is on a level I never imagined but makes so much sense. Jean makes so much sense being a cosmic entity, she's an avatar, even better, a perfect symbiosis of life. Her personality, her life, her resolve, her chosen purpose, her foundation since day one.
I honestly hope the new video series about the marvel universe is in the old format. The flat tone straight information delivery. Robs evolution on this channel has been an amazing experience to have watched. I like both deliveries to be honest,the uncut talk to us about the comics delivery and the bare facts delivery with the old background music in it.
When Rob give that long AMAZING ypu know your in for a treat😊 Too funny I just comment damnit after watching the vid u did on phoenix and the cliff hanger!!!!! I didn't have to wait long!!!!
Phoenix is one of those characters that her power level has been all over the place for years because you have the entity and you have Jean. Jean always made it weak while it was strong on its own.
This is so cool. I've always wanted this as a full fusion. Same with hulk and Bruce banner, venom and Eddie Brock. Like the idea of a perfect host for entities etc we as humans can relate to it on some level
She's the equal and opposite of Death. At the end of all things, the Phoenix and Death will walk together as equals into what comes next. Gorr, and by extension Knull, cannot stand against the Phoenix because their very existence is an attribute of her. Existence requires perception, and perception requires the presence of life. Oblivion doesn't really exist.
You talked about if Franklin went before congress. I remember when Dr Fate appeared before congress and changed all the corrupt politicians into newts. This was during that time when they were experimenting with Dr Fate; I think she was female at the time.
I got a mixed feeling with this - basically she's still keeping in line with the phoenix she's basically a cosmic entity of creation now. This doesn't negate the destruction part either because to create new things sometimes old things are destroyed so it's not really wrong plus she can easily create an avatar to run around on earth while still being a cosmic entity.
Bro Rob when are you gonna cover the Hulk's new run? The lore of the Hulk's run has sort of flipped the perception of Marvel's cosmic landscape on it's head
Good video and summary. I haven't had my chance to read the issue myself but will do so at the earliest availability. I find it odd that the Galactic Council figures that Phoenix/Jean is such a threat to 'order' as they call it, when for millennia before Earth became a thriving planet of intelligence & power that each of the representing planetary powers of the Universe were using Earth as a scrub planet to dally with of their own whims to play with raid, abuse. Jean was a victim of the Shiiar multiple times, even though Jean, herself, saved the empire when the emperor sought to destroy everything. The Shiiar attempted to destroy Jean upon the realization that the Phoenix (which was Jean's clone but with the power/mind of the Phoenix) in X-Men 137, later destroying all the Gray family on fear of Phoenix manifesting in other members), and a several more times of Jean's resurrection, especially when the young Jean was brought into the future by Beast, to fix the problems. Gladiator still attempted to terminate her when she didn't have the Phoenix power. Talk about a personal vendetta against Jean & Phoenix, by Gladiator. Furthermore, Jean's friends/associates in the X-Men/Avengers have worked to save the Shiiar empire dozens to times, which for a primitive world saving a key member of the Galactic Council, seems pretty weak being that besides the Celestials, Kree and Shiiar tinkering with the genetic makeup of life on the planet, it was Shiiar genetics that added to the formation of mutants (if X-Men's Kitty Pride's Marauder's series) indicated that Shiiar mutants has a link to mutants on Earth. The argument that targeting Jean Gray is trying to terminate a Shiiar offspring. Wouldn't terminating the Phoenix be terminating a portion of life in all multiversal existence, much like unraveling the threads of all life across the spectrum? Gladiator must be fun guy taking off his nose because of the pimple on it.
You know, most of the time Marvel hits it out of the part with their cosmic entity names. I certainly like names like "The Watcher" more than "Metron". With that said, the dumbest cosmic entity name of all time is still "The Inbetweener". I mean "The Middle Man" was RIGHT THERE!
Jefferson the Explainer is the bar back at Fulcrum's bar, and he knows every customer's powers, weaknesses and motivations, even if they don't know it themselves.
I'd love it if they'd introduce a character above Knull. He doesn't have to have anything to do with symbiotes, but it would be cool to have an entity that represents all of the darkness and void across the Marvel multiverse. I feel like that character would have an absolutely amazing clash with The Phoenix Force.
Franklin Richards literally created an entire universe when he was very young, then a bit later he re-created the multi-verse after the Beyonders destroyed it. So the Phoenix creating a single sun from Gor is not really a good reason to think they are on the same power scale. However, Phoenix is multi-versal, and if Jean has finally tapped into that... well, that's a better reason to suggest she and Franklin would be a good mach. One created the multi-verse, the other is in every aspect of creation.
Your guide through the whole Marvel universe starts in New York right? I'll be paying close attention to the episode where you have to explain Captain Britain and where Britain is 😅
Cosmos by Neil De’Grass Tyson was EPIC, if you do that production value for Marvel, that’d be an instant classic. Please do that, please take your time.
Hey Grandmaster Rob, I have a Theory about the whole “In-Betweener” situation. I believe the In-Betweener’s Soul (Mind) was separated from his Vessel (Body), using a Skinner Box, creating two distinct characters. Because when I watched your video on Marvels “G.O.D.S”, I was confused whenever you brought up the In-Betweener after video 3, because it seemed like he was a completely different character from earlier. So I bought all 8 comics, and after rereading it about 4 times, it’s a plausible explanation why he has two distinct missives, two distinct looks, and two distinct personalities. Plus the comic’s mention (I believe it was Dr. Strange explaining it to Wynn) that either the In-Betweener or the Protomage was reconfigured in the Skinner Box.
I dont think Franklin has ever been on the level of the Phoenix. I know Franklin gets a lot of respect for resurrecting Galactus and killing the mad celestials and such, but that was Franklin times 2 that did that. I'd like to know how Phoenix does against the Beyonders.
For someone unaware like me, can someone point which cosmic entities are there in the comic (like frames around 8:09 ) and which one is which now that they look different.
Ego, Living Tribunal, Eternity, Infinity, Oblivion, In-Betweener. That’s off the top of my head, I’m on my couch and I don’t remember the page exactly lol
@@comics_explained Thanks a lot!
On the left from top down you have Eon, Entropy, Living Tribunal, Infinity, The One Above All, and Phoenix.
On the right from top down, you have Celestials, The Watcher, Oblivion, The In-Betweener, The Fulcrum, Death, and Eternity.
@@Alhaithamgrey Thats the one above all thats dancing with Infinity? Ah, wasnt expecting that one....
@@claudegrenier3180Questionable, it’s the Fulcrum really, it’s been questionable for years if they’re the same as TOAA.🤷🏽♂️
Eternity looks like he raided Konshu's closet 🤣
Bro tell me why I thought the same thing 😂😂😭😭
@@comics_explained hey have you ever covered evil Ernie?
@@comics_explained
Because it’s true!
Eternity has always been envious of Khonsu’s wardrobe.
Eternity has been peeping on Khonsu.
I was thinking gay ninja
@@Cannabeknown HIIIIIIIII-
🎵YYYAAAAAAAAA🎵 🏳️🌈
Imagine mortals telling a god or something beyond that, that “Hey you’re breaking the law”
"In addition to operating a weighing station without a license, Anubis was caught red-handed trafficking souls to the afterlife, alongside his co-conspirator: Osiris! The defendant is not a 'good boy'. "
Jean: "I AM THE LAW"
Crazy after all the years of TH-cam and watching rob I see a video in the first 30 seconds haha. Got into comics and writing stories in 6th grade because of this channel and am releasing my first book soon. Thank you, Rob!
Good luck on your book, man 👍
Every time I wake up and get ready for work I ALWAYS go to Rob! He never disappoints, I’m always like o a video out for 30-60 mins, I love it! Then on my two hour commute I put on his old old stuff that I realized I missed , basically I’m saying Rob is a GOAT! His content makes my daily grind of a two bus commute feel like it’s the length of his average video, @comics_explained , tysm! ❤❤
Ditto Bro.... what's the name?
Looking forward to thanos finding yet another macguffin that'll magically let him do whatever he wants to do.
Yeah, I get he's a fan favorite but come on man
@@Maxrepfitgm
Is he really or they have no other idea what to do with him other than giving him an increasing level of omnipotence?
I bet you he does not even know of TOBA or the mother of horrors!
@@Raximus3000 he has quite literally absorbed and became the one above all wdym
Yea, he's a bit of a dick.
Macguffin number 1000
Phoenix clearly displays cosmic awareness and thus showing right off the back, she is not to be trifled with let alone turning someone into a whole star
council: "meh we can take her. She needs to abide by our laws, even though she is clearly a force of cosmic nature and thus the laws of mortals have absolutely zero sway on her and it should in fact be the other way around. We are the council so we have that good big D energy and thus she must submit"
like they realize she could have turned that entire room into a star from cross the universe with ease.
The guy who usually gives the Cosmic entities physical forms must've been drunk, high, or both when Eternity and Living Tribunal asked for a commission. And it's about time Jean was offered membership to the Cosmic Entities club. If flipping Ulysses from Civil War 2 is allowed, they should be able to let anyone in.
Agreed. That was nonsense.
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache wait aren’t you the guy who was exposed for sending weird messages to vtubers? And for defending loli? YOOOO IT IS YOU!
@@ezaf5989 For anyone wondering what this person's problem with me is, he started up something like this in one of Rob's videos under one of my comments. He really insists that all VTubers are little girls. Really wants to push this idea that anyone who watches VTubers is a la a "Diddy". Clearly, a VTuber or I did something to him and he is holding a grudge. When I offered a counter to his claim of how all VTubers aren't all little girls, he went radio silent. And then went out of their way to find me here.
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache do you still not understand we can all see your public subscriptions? you have been called out by 20+ people about sending creepy messages to vtubers but refuse to reply.
name one grown man with a great life that spends ANY of his free time being parasocial online to vtubers. ill wait!
@ You being able to see my subscriptions makes even less sense why you make those claims when you can see grown men and women in there. That mixed with the fact that it went from 3 people calling me out to now it's 20+ over the course of an hour? Something's fishy here, and it's not me. If you have to actively fudge the numbers so that you have a horse in this race, I'm confident in saying you never had a leg to stand on. You knew you were making things up, but you thought if you were loud enough people would think you were right. That's why I say, I know I have evidence to my benefit. I know my odds are good. If you want to flip that coin, go for it. If you're as confident as I am, you won't have any problem with it. I will happily name you VTubers I follow that disprove your claim all VTubers are little girls.
It’s obvious how much work you put in!
This is just beautiful! Jean Grey finally getting the respect she deserves.
Wym she always had been a bad ass😂❤
They truly are fixing decades of terrible editorial decisions against her in this book. It's great to see.
What woman in comics isn't nowadays. They are all the strongest. I do love Jean but it's getting kinda tiring and played out tbh.
@@shifftybeast8974 Jean has been so, for a longer time most of the women in comics you're thinking of, even existed. Jean being strong is very far from "woke trend of making all girls op".
Phoenix was meant to be a cosmic hero since her introduction, many, many decades ago.
@ligeiasiren4290 I know Jean had been strong and I said I love Jean. What I'm tired of is every story now, every woman is becoming the best and over powered. That particular troupe is becoming played out. This should have been done with Jean ages ago. It just sucks that they wait till now when they are doing it with every female in comics. Do you need examples. I've been reading comics since the 80s and have never had a problem with strong female characters. But now they are ALL strong. Put against any man the female wings 9 out of 10 times.
This Phoenix run has been awesome. Great video as always Rob!
Can't wait for this new cosmic entity to get beaten and trivialized by another to character to establish how strong and awesome that character is.
You must of got next week's leaks
@omnientertainment5852 😭😭😭
Theres a new entity every 2 months now lol
Did you watch the video before commenting…
@@-.Outlaw.- it's about the title of the video and not the story....
A fight between Franklin and Jean as she is now would have to be a full on multiverse reset kind of event. There's no way you could do that without all of the Marvel landscape changing.
The writer truly is going out of her way to fix decades of terrible editorial decisions against Jean. I love to see that.
Hopefully this will set the basis for a proper development for the character in the MCU. I enjoyed Famke's Jean, but the idea that she has no die to pay for her power is really tired at this point. And Sophie Turner was just the wrong casting choice, IMO.
Can't wait to see what's next for Phoenix in the big screen. In my opinion, Saoirse Ronan would be a fantastic Jean Grey.
BABE WAKE UP ROB & A NEW COSMIC ENTITY JUST DROPPED!!!
literally 😭😭 damn near had a heart attack
NAH SWEAR!
COMING SNUKEMS!!!!!
I don't think Gene or the Phoenix are heros .
@@unholywarrior9007Jean lol
Bout time Phoenix got a comic
She's OP and stuff but still it could maybe work
Phoenix is like the primary force of life. She should be a hero of her own story at least once.
Therefore The Phoenix Force/Jean Gray is beyond God level, and can make a God bow down to her will.
Galactic Politicians: "You killed Ghor and are bypassed our position"
Anyone with a brain "You let Ghor lose under the impression you could control someone capable of killing gods, enslaving entire worlds, time travel, and more while gradually getting stronger while doing it....Clearly, you're position deserved to be overthrown."
They feel there position in the universe get smaller. and back in the Day, they kept tabs on The Phoenix by killing, capturing, threatening it's host. (Jean Grey) Now the host and the Phoenix are one entity now. And there scared shitless. Having no control or power over her at all.
imagine Marvel deciding to make Blackbolt the new Living Tribunal and rob thus having no choice but to talk about it 🧐
It makes perfect sense to me. I've been thinking about this ever since Al Ewing's Defenders Beyond when the Beyonder says that he's weaker than the Phoenix, especially in the White Hot Room. It's very simple to me. the Phoenix Force represents all life, the Beyonders are alive, why, because of the Phoenix Force. The Phoenix Force gives life, it can take it away too.
Jean is now a being of creation itself.
It's so silly these mortals talking bout killing Entities. Like, man be real.
Dude that cosmic map project for Marvel you talked about would be *AMAZING!*
Seriously great idea.
My goodness.
She turned Gorr into a star...
Bro...this is never before imagined power.
Call me old school, but I prefer the non anthropomorphized cosmic entities. It doesn't make sense like a universal constant like Eternity would just be some regular, super-hero type singular person, with a personality, agenda and very-human like. Something like eternity should be infinite and a force, not some whimsical personality that's concerned with singular persons in a universe of trillions of trillions of people and trillions of stars. Having them super-hero type characters as well gets into the silly really quick with very strong super-heroes like Apocalypse being about to beat them in fights, that shouldn't even be possible in comic-book logic.
They don’t have a real form. They’re concepts and forces.
They only appear as they do because they requested a form to make it possible to interact with existence.
Agreed. It's so limiting. Why would they concern themselves when their thoughts are bent towards the macro scale.
@@RastaMage00 maybe because some of thr micro things affect the macro? Use ya head. It's like why the tribunal steps in when he does.
@@DezzyyyI don't remember a story where the living tribunal was used as something else but a huge plug for plot holes, do you?
The cosmic entities are in shambles at the moment, they are over worked to my opinion, to many are popping out every other story, it's losing it's impact, especially as the cosmic entities are being written like they are superheroes with values, morales, talking like they are humans, it just shows bad writing to me.
In the past, when a cosmic entity was in a story I would get excited about how things will go down, now it's just another week at Marvel, thats not a good feeling, but I guess it's just a personal opinion.
It is _so bloody good_ to see Jean get so much love and respect. I can’t wait until the MCU finally brings in Jean Grey/Phoenix. And hopefully, they won’t drop the ball a third time…
Regarding your question as to what role Phoenix plays in the Pantheon, I have an answer pending my own question.
Is there the entity “Life?”
I know there’s Death. But to my knowledge, I can’t remember if there’s a Life?
If not, given that Phoenix is said to be Creation itself in this comic, I’d say that Phoenix’s role has been established as _Creation/Life_ - the antithesis of Lady Death.
She’s life and Death at the same time. She ranks higher than Death because she can never truly die. And ranks higher than Oblivion because she can emerge from nothing.
I'm praying for Saoirse Ronan to play her. She looks so much like Jean with red hair, and seems to have the personality to embody her as well.
@@ligeiasiren4290 girl same. Saoirse is phenomenal!!
@@WhitePhoenixJeanAllegedly she was approached to play Scarlet Witch and declined. But she has expressed interest in the Marvel cinematic universe in the past.
Hopefully she auditions for Jean, she's perfect for the role.
This series is the best. It answers a lot of questions. If she truly is not limiting herself, I don’t think Franklin is a match for her.
That’s awesome to have The Fulcrum back. I hope they expound upon on his story. The new abstract looking version the Living Tribunal sucks. Adam Warlock looked dope as LT.
I mean, willing yourself back from the dead is THE MOST POWERFUL version of 'cannot be killed' This Jean grey is more powerful than superman and maybe even as powerful as any cosmic entity besides the one above all for that very reason.
As long as any life exists, she will exist in some form, and have the ability to will herself back into existence. AND when she does she is not just the phoenix, she is Jean Grey/Phoenix, the multiversal telepath reality warper cosmic entity.
She can really only be temporarily weakened and really only in theory because the Phoenix draws power from the existence of life past present and future, so its power should never be able to be supressed against its will because if those lives weren't going to be lived the phoenix would never have drawn power from them in the first place.
In theory she can escape any attempt at containment because she could just teleport vast distances or just break out, and you basically can't dominate her mind.
Can’t believe how cool this turned out!
Baby Girl straight up turned Gorr into a STAR!!
I’m excited about that marvel tour project, can’t wait to see it! 😁
you have NO CLUE how much joy it gives me that you're covering and enjoying this Phoenix run! My re entry into comics came back with Phoenix Resurrection #1 and discovered your channel soon after. Musta seen EVERY reference you've made to Jean/Phoenix since then and it's like the very fire of rebirth itself (😂) to hear your pleasure again.
Keep up the great work! 👍🏾💜
Jean Grey/Phoenix is more powerful than Franklin Richards and you can't change my mind. I can't wait for Thanos to be schooled by the Phoenix. LOL
Rob, i need to hear more philosophical stories tied into these comics, in the same way you tied pltos cave to previous comics. It added an extra layer to your stories. Many thanks!
Petition for another run of Dr Manhattan vs other powerful entities 👀 ANYWAYS LESSGOOOO
The shackles have finally come off from Jean. Now we are about to see just how powerful she and The Phoenix will become, I'm excited to see where this goes.
jean grey level is beyond francklin richard
When a series that is only 20 years old is considered "old", then what does that make one who remembers being mad when comics went up to 35 cents?!?
The ancient is speaking
You must be knull since you existed before the universe even did
* i am not a god ...a god has limits* ...Jesus this comic is cooking
17:40 mins. "Normally Gladiator is sound.... but after the but wooping in the 90s Xmen cartoon Phoenix put on him, he knows better!"
Phoenix rockin’ those Leifeld kicks 😂
It would be really cool to have the phoenix force and Franklin Richards recreate the MCU after Secret Wars if it wasn’t for Fox exhausting viewers of the Dark Phoenix story
Here's my question. Recently, Thor was told that his mother was the Phoenix. Now, Jean is told she is the Phoenix. Does that make Jean the mother of Thor?!😅
No. Jean is the Father of Hope Summers. Who was the Phoenix in disguise.
No the Phoenix isn't Thor actual mom 😂
I don't think the idea of Thor being the Phoenix' son will ever be revisited TBH. It was just the writer's attempt to give Thor Jean's power/lore, and Marvel seems to be going into the opposite direction with this book.
Jean was once nerfed and killed, because of Thor, to make sure she wouldn't outshine the male heroes in the Marvel roster. I don't think they will legitimately link the Phoenix with Thor, to that degree.
If anything, they're trying to permanently merge Jean Grey/Phoenix as the same concept. And I doubt they're gonna make her Thor's mom, lol.
Thanks so much for this. This was awesome, Rob! I can't wait to read this! I'm going to wait until the run is complete and then try to buy the whole collection.
Jean Phoenix, horseman of the One Above All
Na. She's more like the TOAA primal life force manifest.
@@Jaymastia Phoenix is somewhat manifestation of TOAA'S will , the heart of TOAA hence phoenix is the center of TOAA
@@webergary2853 beautiful.
Finally a character being organically developed through excellent storytelling. Jean is on a level I never imagined but makes so much sense. Jean makes so much sense being a cosmic entity, she's an avatar, even better, a perfect symbiosis of life. Her personality, her life, her resolve, her chosen purpose, her foundation since day one.
No one tells a comic better than this guy.
Thanos is going to be super jealous! 5:50
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Franklin Richards: TO ME, MY PHOENIX! 🐦🔥
Jean/Phoenix: … 😏
I thought Eternity wanted Storm as his pick now he wants Jean Grey too. Talk about greedy lol😅.
I don't think he wants Jean to be his herald. Jean is above such title.
He seemed to be there... just to give her advice, lol.
Eternity wasn't picking Jean. They were only making her realize where she should be. She's much higher than Eternity on the scale.
I honestly hope the new video series about the marvel universe is in the old format. The flat tone straight information delivery. Robs evolution on this channel has been an amazing experience to have watched. I like both deliveries to be honest,the uncut talk to us about the comics delivery and the bare facts delivery with the old background music in it.
When Rob give that long AMAZING ypu know your in for a treat😊 Too funny I just comment damnit after watching the vid u did on phoenix and the cliff hanger!!!!! I didn't have to wait long!!!!
Jean is so broken bro😭😭✨
Phoenix is one of those characters that her power level has been all over the place for years because you have the entity and you have Jean. Jean always made it weak while it was strong on its own.
I never really like Phoenix but this comic has made me a fan. I'm loving it
It's AMAZING, SON! The excitement is infectious. Keep being you!
I loved your telling of this chapter. I'm so ready for the next
In other news, the sky is blue and Marvel introduces a new cosmic entity every week.
At this point there’s more cosmic entities than regular mortals
Stg
These are some lazy takes man
@@discobassgroovewatch something else
@@discobassgroovenot lazier than the writers work and your ability to think for yourself.
Thanos to the galatic Con: You couldn't live with your own failure. Where did that bring you, back to me
This is so cool. I've always wanted this as a full fusion. Same with hulk and Bruce banner, venom and Eddie Brock. Like the idea of a perfect host for entities etc we as humans can relate to it on some level
I am gonna say what we are all thinking...can this new entity beat Goku?
No one is beating Goku, but Jean would be close 💅
She's the equal and opposite of Death. At the end of all things, the Phoenix and Death will walk together as equals into what comes next.
Gorr, and by extension Knull, cannot stand against the Phoenix because their very existence is an attribute of her. Existence requires perception, and perception requires the presence of life. Oblivion doesn't really exist.
Once again THE PHOENIX destroys Scarlett Witch... Not even close
Exactly! 😂
You talked about if Franklin went before congress. I remember when Dr Fate appeared before congress and changed all the corrupt politicians into newts. This was during that time when they were experimenting with Dr Fate; I think she was female at the time.
I got a mixed feeling with this - basically she's still keeping in line with the phoenix she's basically a cosmic entity of creation now. This doesn't negate the destruction part either because to create new things sometimes old things are destroyed so it's not really wrong plus she can easily create an avatar to run around on earth while still being a cosmic entity.
Phoenix New Costume for the upcoming Contest of Champions.
This keeps getting better and better!!!
Bro Rob when are you gonna cover the Hulk's new run? The lore of the Hulk's run has sort of flipped the perception of Marvel's cosmic landscape on it's head
Holy shit I’m so stoked for your cosmic series 🤯
Jean is positionally above Franklin. Subsequently, Also more Powerful.
I gotta get back binge watching Rob’s videos
Ahhhh YEAH!!! Finally caught a new post being set up🫡🔥
I don’t even read comics but your videos have me considering since you explain them so well
Can't wait to see your series rob👍
Jean Grey is becoming a good X-Men storytelling series.
The council is a bunch of morons to let Thanos take control.
Exactly. Phoenix/Jean Grey's Ascension has made them Scared and Stupid enough to let Thanos get Control.
Good video and summary. I haven't had my chance to read the issue myself but will do so at the earliest availability. I find it odd that the Galactic Council figures that Phoenix/Jean is such a threat to 'order' as they call it, when for millennia before Earth became a thriving planet of intelligence & power that each of the representing planetary powers of the Universe were using Earth as a scrub planet to dally with of their own whims to play with raid, abuse. Jean was a victim of the Shiiar multiple times, even though Jean, herself, saved the empire when the emperor sought to destroy everything. The Shiiar attempted to destroy Jean upon the realization that the Phoenix (which was Jean's clone but with the power/mind of the Phoenix) in X-Men 137, later destroying all the Gray family on fear of Phoenix manifesting in other members), and a several more times of Jean's resurrection, especially when the young Jean was brought into the future by Beast, to fix the problems. Gladiator still attempted to terminate her when she didn't have the Phoenix power. Talk about a personal vendetta against Jean & Phoenix, by Gladiator. Furthermore, Jean's friends/associates in the X-Men/Avengers have worked to save the Shiiar empire dozens to times, which for a primitive world saving a key member of the Galactic Council, seems pretty weak being that besides the Celestials, Kree and Shiiar tinkering with the genetic makeup of life on the planet, it was Shiiar genetics that added to the formation of mutants (if X-Men's Kitty Pride's Marauder's series) indicated that Shiiar mutants has a link to mutants on Earth. The argument that targeting Jean Gray is trying to terminate a Shiiar offspring. Wouldn't terminating the Phoenix be terminating a portion of life in all multiversal existence, much like unraveling the threads of all life across the spectrum? Gladiator must be fun guy taking off his nose because of the pimple on it.
Decidedly more powerful than Franklin. He is a universal power, her power is multiversal.
Thank you for sharing this.
You know, most of the time Marvel hits it out of the part with their cosmic entity names. I certainly like names like "The Watcher" more than "Metron".
With that said, the dumbest cosmic entity name of all time is still "The Inbetweener". I mean "The Middle Man" was RIGHT THERE!
Does this mean we get a third Marvel most powerful characters tier?… or maybe the first DC tier?!
DC plz. Marvel rooster always changing
The new Eternity's design is from GODS. It only showed up for a panel or two in the last issue, but all the abstracts got a new design there
Need Hickman working on the hierarchy
I loooooove Cosmic Entity!
More Cosmic Order, please
Jefferson the Explainer is the bar back at Fulcrum's bar, and he knows every customer's powers, weaknesses and motivations, even if they don't know it themselves.
I'd love it if they'd introduce a character above Knull. He doesn't have to have anything to do with symbiotes, but it would be cool to have an entity that represents all of the darkness and void across the Marvel multiverse.
I feel like that character would have an absolutely amazing clash with The Phoenix Force.
3:53 marvel needs to fund that idea!
Franklin Richards literally created an entire universe when he was very young, then a bit later he re-created the multi-verse after the Beyonders destroyed it. So the Phoenix creating a single sun from Gor is not really a good reason to think they are on the same power scale.
However, Phoenix is multi-versal, and if Jean has finally tapped into that... well, that's a better reason to suggest she and Franklin would be a good mach. One created the multi-verse, the other is in every aspect of creation.
I am always impressed by the cross references made on this channel. Encyclopedic.
Your guide through the whole Marvel universe starts in New York right?
I'll be paying close attention to the episode where you have to explain Captain Britain and where Britain is 😅
You love cosmic entities because you are one sir 💜🙏
I, for one, welcome our new Jeanix overlord.
I happen to be aware of Neil Degrasse Tyson's "Cosmos" fx budget, so if you pull off something that looks that dope, that's going to be some wizardry.
Just goes to show as well the cosmic entities are on a different lvl. They just took the phoenix to another lvl
The new entity is like the daedra cool concept for this new character.
Cosmos by Neil De’Grass Tyson was EPIC, if you do that production value for Marvel, that’d be an instant classic. Please do that, please take your time.
Really looking forward to the new series, but also try DC Comics Rob! :)
Hey Grandmaster Rob, I have a Theory about the whole “In-Betweener” situation.
I believe the In-Betweener’s Soul (Mind) was separated from his Vessel (Body), using a Skinner Box, creating two distinct characters.
Because when I watched your video on Marvels “G.O.D.S”, I was confused whenever you brought up the In-Betweener after video 3, because it seemed like he was a completely different character from earlier. So I bought all 8 comics, and after rereading it about 4 times, it’s a plausible explanation why he has two distinct missives, two distinct looks, and two distinct personalities. Plus the comic’s mention (I believe it was Dr. Strange explaining it to Wynn) that either the In-Betweener or the Protomage was reconfigured in the Skinner Box.
I dont think Franklin has ever been on the level of the Phoenix. I know Franklin gets a lot of respect for resurrecting Galactus and killing the mad celestials and such, but that was Franklin times 2 that did that. I'd like to know how Phoenix does against the Beyonders.
Literally right on time for the smoke break as well😀
Creating a universe while chillin under a blanket vs warping Gorr into a star?? I take the blanket universe 😂
Why he kinda look like Psycho Pirate in the thumbnail?