I remember Dr. Terry Todd making a top ten list of the strongest men of all-time. Although Ronnie didn't make the list, Todd was impressed with him enough that he included him as an honorable mention.
@lordmegatron6145 It was in a magazine. I saved the page, but I wouldn't be able to find it quickly with all the tons of stuff I have. Big Z was on top at the time, and Todd put him #1. Kaz, Anderson and Cyr finished in the top 5 (not necessarily in that order). Shaw, Hall and Thor weren't a force yet, so they didn't make the list.
@@Manusia.satu1 I'm fairly sure Todd also included Franco Columbu as an honorable mention because of his great pound-for-pound strength. In that regard, he was beyond even Ronnie!
Mariusz is obviously going to be stronger (because he was a professional strongman) but it would have been interesting to see what Ronnie could have accomplished in that area if he'd focused on strongman instead of bodybuilding.
Pudzianowski wasn’t that strong as people think he was Krzysztof Radzikowski other polish strongman & European champion claims that he is stronger than Mariusz and says that the weights became heavier Pudzian only done what was needed to win 5 strongman titles
@@grzegorzwroblewski3345 Pudzianowski won WSM a record 5 times. You don't do that if you're not the best. What did Pudzianowski manage? Oh thats right, his best was 6th place on the single time he actually qualified for WSM.
Bodybuilding coaching and workouts have come so far since Ronnie. WSM training has come so far since the days of bending an iron bar around your neck. This footage needs to be preserved for the future! Amazing work as always and your analysis is spot on. Thanks for another great episode!
I would never think to challenge any claims by Mariusz, but many of the categories were "claims" , but not verified! That being said, I believe he's the strongest ever competed in WSM!
another awesome video! I will give Marius the leg press because I count full range of motion as more important than stacking up 45's on it and barely moving it
It’s hilarious to me that people think bodybuilders aren’t strong, and call it “show muscle”. They worry about keeping a super low body fat % so strongen have a slight edge, but they are ridiculously strong also
Pro level bodybuilders have a lot of things going against them. They have a lot of muscle and strength for sure, but often train in a manner where they are isolating muscles, using short ranges of motion, etc. They basically aren't training the body as a unit, though this could be easily remedied. Training with short ROM and using a lot of machines can also cause problems with mobility, flexibility, etc. This could be so bad where they may struggle to get into the rack position on a clean and press or align properly for the more awkward lifts. They would also have terrible conditioning and would really struggle with the athletic/mobile events, a lot of the drugs bodybuilders use are horrendous for aerobic conditioning, tren is a great example. Something else is these bodybuilders are often quite short, again another issue with strongman where height is an advantage. Though he isn't a bodybuilder, Brian Siders was a top powerlifter from back in the 2000s who competed in strongman. He did pretty well at the Arnold Strongman, which was overwhelmingly heavy static events, but did incredibly poorly at the 2008 WSM in his qualifying round. Being gym strong definitely gives you a solid foundation and naturally is great for deadlifts, squats and overhead press. However, the other events require a great deal of overall athleticism and have very different requirements. Phil Pfister was someone who wasn't all that strong in the gym lifts but was incredible at the strongman events.
@@oglocbaby520 so these guys aren’t strong? Doth protest too much, methinks. I get what you’re saying, but the difference is negligible unless you’re talking about pro competition. To the average person there’s not much difference between 450# bench and 500#, they are both ridiculously strong.
@@bourneslippy8039 Do you realize there's a huge difference between gym training and strongman? What I mean by that is there are guys who are solid at static powerlifting, I used Brian Siders as a great example, that struggle with the strongman implements, mobile events, etc. Just because you bench press a lot does not mean it will have much carryover to anything other than the overhead lifts. Same goes for squats and deadlifts. Phil Pfister was honestly relatively weak in deadlifts compared to his peers but was incredible with your typical strongman movements. Strongman is basically about being very strong overall but also being very athletic, having a lot of conditioning, etc. Height is also a huge advantage, there's a reason why virtually all of the top athletes are 6' and more often than not well over this. Most of these famous bodybuilders and fitness influencers are way shorter than you probably realize, well under 6' tall.
@@oglocbaby520 jesus dude noone was talking about strongman and I used the bench press as an arbitrary example, use deadlift or something if that helps. If you want to talk about strongman, why does Mitch Hooper use these lifts to form his opinion on whether someone would be a good competitor for WSM? Relax, you haven’t said anything that disagrees with my original comment.
@@bourneslippy8039 You said strongmen have a "slight edge", which is completely untrue. Ronnie Coleman was significantly stronger than his peers and not a representation of the typical IFBB pro. The point I was getting at is these pro bodybuilders are often in terrible overall shape and while they may be gym strong it wouldn't translate outside of this very well. Whether you like it or not, these bodybuilders are essentially functionally obese. Calum Von Moger had some achilles tear from trying a rock wall or something like that a while ago. Again, a huge part of this is due to the drugs they are taking and the fact that they often train muscles in isolation, have terrible mobility, etc.
A seated overhead with back support makes a huge difference on an overhead. I have done seated overhead at 315 for 4 reps. But 300 log and 330 overhead push press.
Yes absolutely; the core strength required to do military press is incredible. As you are aware most strongman overhead lifts usually require the athlete to clean the weight from the floor to the shoulders which is also massively taxing.
@@StrengthUniverse Partial reps shouldn't count as real strength. Because I guarantee Ronnie would be pushing out fewer reps if he used a full range of motion on his lifts. Mariusz is stronger than Ronnie when it comes to real overall strength using a full range of motion on all lifts.
@@TiredOfImbecileLibtards Ronnies deadlift was pulled with full ROM and zero hitching. His squat was marginally short of full depth and his shoulder press was not locked out to keep tension on the shoulder rather than the tricep (as I mentioned at the start of the video, they trained for different sports). You seem to fail to account for the fact that all of Mariusz lifts are claims e.g they are not of video so cannot be accurately judged. Many people doubt his claims of a 290kg bench and we don’t no if the squat was performed raw or equipped. Also the fact that for the deadlift and shoulder press, Ronnie was only 5 weeks out from the Mr O so definitely not at full strength
Ronnie is always good for these comparisons because he has so many lifts on video, but his form and ROM are always lacking. I am shocked there wasnt better choices for lifts from Pudz as he has a decade of strongman footage. I am shocked here how close Ronnie was to Pudz who has a case for strongest man in history.
I dont think any one would argue that Pudz is the strongest man in history. Yes he was one of the most dominant strongman of his time but he competet in one of weakest eras. If were looking for the strongest men we would end with prime Hafþór Björnsson, Žydrūnas Savickas or some or some of the elite powerlifters even after adjusting for people getting better over the course of history.
@@thewelfaregourmetdr mike himself has completely switched and is emphasizing the stretch and very lengthened positions and skipping the lockout or top lately
It’s possible Ronnie could have done well WSM. Being a “smaller” power guy when compared to guys like Brian Shaq and The Mountain. Mariusz was obviously dominant in the WSM events that required movement. Absolutely the best ever. Ronnie maybe could have been that type of competitor? Very strong on static lifts but top tier on the movement lifts?? Who knows I guess. Would have been fun to see that’s for sure
Interesting video bro,i like it. Imagine if ronnie dedicated his life to powerlifting instead bodybuilding... i dont think he could achive 500kg on deadlift,but probably around 450kg (i guess). So in facts,we could say Marius was stronger,but ronnie had more power projection in a future. Anyway,is my opinion,good video 👍🏻.
Mariusz was at his best in strongman events that required a combination of strength,endurance and agility as opposed to pure strength output. What Ronnie was able to do was incredible and it would have been nice to see what he could have done training strictly for strong man.
I absolutely love your videos! I would love to see more on Tom Haviland and Christopher Dorn. Also gage_the_guggernaut and Joesph Tumbarello Honestly/ if you made a 1.5 hour documentary I would buy it. Keep up the great content!
Additionally, I think we all wonder what Ronnie would do via strongman or powerlifting if he trained a whole year for it after a few Mr.O titles…so incredibly strong
Great video! Both Marius and Ronnie were phenomenal. Hard to believe Marius built his size and strength mostly on ice-cream, candy bars and other highly processed junk foods.
what an awesome video....this is excellent content. I wish the guys at "It's just bodybuilding" (Dusty Hanshaw, Big Ron Partlow, & Coach Scott McNally) would do a "It's just bodybuilding reacts" review of this video !!! Their discussion on this 5 1/2 minute video could easily become close to a 30 minute reaction video.
Ronnies lifts were designed primarily as body building not powerlifting and he was a reduced carb diet. His potential IMHo is about 10-20% more than his recorded.
It's not stated enough Ronnie was depleted on those legendary clips. Prepping for a bodybuilding show is ridiculous, let alone an Olympia. Ronnie likely wasn't even @ 70% doing those insane lifts. I'm sure Mariusz was dinged up on most of his WSM performances also, but Ronnie has to have way less to give in the gym trying to lean out for a show. Mariusz would still be stronger than Ronnie because of the training, but Ronnie would be very close carbed up and hydrated.
@@David-lx4yb Honestly I think Ronnie would have never achieved the size he got without lifting heavy. He was a natural freak with strength and size, and he took advantage of that, and he is arguably the best/biggest BB ever to compete. If he lifted smarter than he would probly still be lifting but nothing crazy. I've Always like Ronnie the best........YEAH BUDDY, LIGHTWEIGHT LIGHTWEIGHT!!
So I feel compelled to comment on the leg press as ronnie should take an honest and easy win (thou personally don't know about straps so someone else can quantify that difference) There is a way to quantify the angle in leg press and the force on the leg with mechanics. A 35 degree leg press is 57.54% of a vertical leg press in terms of the force on the legs. While a 45 degree leg press is 70.71% of a vertical leg press. So 2300 pounds at 57.54% is 1,319 pounds vertically. Then 860 pounds at 70.71% is 608 pounds vertically. That's over a 2x advantage to ronnie.
I guess you are referring to Knee Wraps? They can make a huge difference with a full ROM,. but as seen in the video Ronnie didn't use a full range of motion so how much difference they made is questionable. The biggest difference in the angle of the sled which you have accounted for but Range of Motion is just as important and as seen in the video, Mariusz was moving the weight twice the distance of Ronnie. Taking everything into account they are pretty close.
I think the reason Coleman was so great and has such a following even today is because he was basically a body builder who did strongman exercises at times to get huge. Most body builders today lift lighter weights than Ronny. Look how he destroyed himself to achieve this
That is so true. I was reading an article where he said that basically his entire spine is fused--just one solid bone/rod. He said he's had both hips replaced and I can't begin to remember what all other surgeries he's had to have done.
@@JamesStreet-tp1vb Honestly, Ronnie never needed to train like that to get as huge as he was, that was a product of his genetics AND the gear he was taking. He probably really enjoyed training the way he did, pushing crazy weight and yelling and hollering. I saw an interview with him and how he said he was training and heard a "gun shot" when he blew out his disc and he just kept training. It sounds like he had a ton of warning signs and was too stubborn for his own good. Him being so insanely juiced was a huge part of this as well. He would have naturally been a big strong guy, but the amount of stuff he was taking would have allowed him to handle weight that was dangerous to the health of his connective tissue. Combine this with terrible training form and practices + the other factors I mentioned and this is the result.
@@oglocbaby520 Exactly. I remember watching the exact same video about him saying he heard something POP. He said that he stopped working out and thought to himself "What was that?" And went right on working out. He didn't even realize that the POP was something inside him blowing up. Lol. Yeah, for sure, sadly, the gear got to him just like it eventually does everyone. But I think you're right that he enjoyed it. Probably more than anyone can imagine. He had, arguably, THE best physique of anyone who's ever lived and he certainly has tremendous accomplishments during his reign as king. But, I remember an old adage that goes "A light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long." Enjoy the ride while you can because eventually, the toll comes due.
@@JamesStreet-tp1vb The guy had an insane work ethic for sure, loved training crazy as hell but was too stubborn and not very intelligent with his training, as I mentioned. A lot of these top guys in the iron game have a huge passion for it, whether that be powerlifting or strongman or bodybuilding, and many honestly have huge egos. There's often not much consideration put into actual health or longevity, though this is also a very common mindset you will see with other top athletes and even with people in careers with high demands. Tons of young men in their teens and twenties that get into the gym game usually gain inspiration from watching Ronnie's old training videos or they follow guys like Sam Sulek or these other influencers. These young guys don't know wth they are doing and start emulating what they see. There's no reason for some 21 year old kid at the gym to be training like that and destroying his body in the process. I'm 34 and been in the gym game since I was 16, it's something I've seen countless times over the years. One big reason why you don't see too many very strong and fit guys close to 30 at the gym, let alone past this age range, is because many end up injured. I met a guy at the gym a year ago around my age that was literally bragging to me about how he blew his knee out squatting lol, literally needed a knee replacement. I knew another guy around my age back in 2019 that ego lifted like crazy on deadlifts and squats that ended up getting some sort of SI joint/hip injury that forced him out of lifting. As for Ronnie's physique. Honestly, most people look at guys like Ronnie and these other IFBB pros and they don't see it as attractive. Instead, it's more like a freak or circus show to them, it's impressive and unusual to them but not something they would aspire to. Outside of the bodybuilding world, this is how the overwhelming majority of people would view these physiques. The amount of dedication that goes into it is very impressive though, it's literally a life commitment.
A pro strongman an average will always be stronger than a pro body builder, although Ronnie was definitely head and shoulders above his peers in terms of his training intensity. That said, both Mariusz and Ronnie are GOATs in their respective discipline.
Both are legends but Mariusz is also a lot more athletic. Bodybuilders tend to be more musclebound where strongmen keep a lot of their mobility for their sport.
It was based on the seated barbell and DB press judged against Mariusz's full history of overhead events which left them very close. than factoring in that Ronnie wasn't training as a strength athlete and was only 5 weeks out from the Olympia. Also Consider that all of Mariusz lift's were achieved with leg drive
The impressive part about this is that reguardless of Ronnie's less than steller range of motion, he was able to perform lifts near the same level as Mariusz WHILE being significantly leaner. If you've ever tried lifting heavy while starving, then you'll know what i mean 71124
For the leg press, an empirical way to measure is to multiply total weight by the sin of the angle. That way, you calculate the "vertical weight" they're lifting so Ronnie absolutely crushes it there🤓🤓
Mariusz was never a static weight champion like the ones in the movie. You could say that was his biggest weakness. His biggest advantage was the combination of strength and dynamics. That's why he was successful in MMA after his strongman career ended. With all due respect to Ronnie, he had no chance in strength sports with Mariusz. But that's not surprising since he trained in a different sport. On the other hand, Mariusz is a five-time Strongman world champion.
I'll agree with all of the assessments because the overhead press. Standing combined with those loose apparatuses on the ends is so much harder. That being said i don't think there was enough evidence to compare the 2 athletes fairly on the strength of that lift.
The strong man competitions are so diffident level than the gym. I’ve tried this many time and laughed at my “lack of success”: try alternate standing dumbbell curls with 40 pounders. No problem can do multiple reps as I’m sure any of you guys can. Then from the store , I’ll carry in each hand an 18-litre water cooler jug which are also 40 pounds a piece. Try curling them. Same weight. I can’t get one! Just that awkward, non-conventional object makes incredible difference. If anyone can get couple of decent reps using those coolers…let me know👍
Roonie seems to have terrible range of motion. Mariusz was not called the dominator for just his amazing strength, he had excellent speed, mobility and cardio. The total package.
See what you are saying. Mariuz is huge I think he weighs about 300 lbs and looks like a body builder. I have a few female friends who think he is so gorgeous.
Mariusz, unlike Ronnie, was smart enough to maintain his health and not become disabled. This is the main thing, not power. In general, an incorrect comparison - powerlifting and bodybuilding are completely different disciplines.
La GENÉTICA de Mariusz daba Pará el mr.Olympia... tener definido un sixpack siendo strongman pesando mas de 130k sin entrenar como culturista .... Ronnie ya tenia experiencia en powerlifting y con farmacos para la fuerza 👀 Mariusz sigue entrenando , es funcional y aparte es peleador profesional 😂😂😂
If Ronnie wanted to be WSM then he would have been WSM! Instead, he wanted to be Mr. Olympia, so he was Mr. Olympia! At that time, winning the Olympia was about 10 times harder than winning WSM. WSM was divided but the Olympia was in it's prime! Ronnie wins this comparison, habds down! Marius is a great athlete but Ronnie is King of this era! Also, comparing a strength athlete against a bodybuilder in "strength only" lifts is a bit biased imo. Especially when the bodybuilder won a couple if the events 🤷🤷 Bodybuilders compete at their lowest strength while Strongmen compete at their peak. Just saying.
Is it worth doing a video on powerlifter turned bodybuilder Joel Thomas? Although he isn't a 300-400 lb. guy, he has exhibited incredible pressing power with barbells and dumbbells in the bench and incline press for max sets and high rep sets.
Every video about Ronnie strength, claims that he was X weak before the Olympia and he could do more if not that lean - Absolute BS, that was are best lifts, he is juiced to the gills before the Olympia, while in the offseason he's heavier but not on that many drugs and therefore weaker. Ronnie has confirmed multiple times that this are his best lifts, please stop claiming the X weeks BS.
"Claiming X out from the Olympia" is a fact. I agree these are his best ever lifts and his PED cycle was at it's peak during this time, in fact Ronnie has stated that he didn't use PED's in the off season (I doubt this 100% accurate). However if Ronnie trained for Powerlifting or Strongman he would have carried considerably higher BF. He also would have run an appropriate cycle so he would have absolutely been stronger had that been the direction he'd chosen. My only apprehension is whether his body couldn't have handled it and given his current condition from decades of BB and think not.
Marius will beat him in real fight , and lifting heavier weights. Ron will beat him in bodybuilding, but here is nothing to compete actually. Two different things . About the leg press I am not impressed at all . I did on body weight 90 kg / 15 good reps with 750 kg .
Having checked the results of all of Mariusz's OHP events across his 10 years of competing; I can safely conclude that Ronnie and Mariusz were very closely matched.
I think you meant to say "1 rep maxes are bogus". I state it is theoretical e.g a supposition to make it as clear as possible that this is a calculation.
@@solb101 The 500lb bench press shown in the video was performed during the off season. The issue is that he wouldn’t have been his full strength then either. Ronnie on a full cycle without limitations on food would have certainly been stronger, how much though is hard to estimate.
@@StrengthUniverse How was he limited on food in the off season? He was at least 30lb heavier. Mariusz himself was pretty lean as a strongman competitor.
I think how crippled Ronnie is now is a testament to how hard he pushed and how strong he was. I’d dubious of some or Mariusz claims though. His bench seems very high
@@krzysztof346 I didn't ask if that is what Mariusz said he benched that much. I asked if there is an actual video of him bench pressing that much weight. I'm not really interested in what someone claims they can lift. I want to see real evidence like a video of them actually bench pressing the weight.
@@thewestfaceofdhaulagiri6697 you think 5 times World Strongest Man is lying? If he can bench 200 kg at 47 y.o while he is mma figher and his body weight is around 120 kg he definitly could bench 295 when he was 20 year younger, 20 kg heavier and when he was strongman.
@@krzysztof346 Is there a video of Mariuz bench pressing 200KG at 47 while he is a MMA fighter? Don't be so naive. Larry Wheels best competition bench is 645 pounds (about 293 KG) and is most likely stronger statistically at his peak strength than Mariuz was at his peak strength. So, do I think Mariuz is lying? I think it is a possibility just like it is a possibility that he he did bench press 290-295KG. You said he could have bench press 290=295 KG. Yes, he could have bench pressed that amount meaning it is a possibility just like it is a possible he could be lying. The fact you said he could rather than he did means even you accept the possibility he could be lying.
So now where going by “Claims” of what that person says. I believe several of these lifts were exaggerated by Marius. He never benched 639. I can almost guarantee it. Look at what Thor and Brian Shaw Max bench is, Thors around 540-560 and Brian‘s around 585 I believe. Ronnie said he could have squated 5-6 reps that day but stopped at 2. So that would give him max of 900-930 for a single. Brian Shaw in an interview and he said Marius wasn’t know as the strongest in the static lifts but excelled in the athletic events. So with all this being said, I’m pretty sure Ronnie definitely has Marius beat in the bench and squat. The dead lift is the only thing that I believe. Marius would probably beat him in. Shows how strong Coleman was that he was stronger in most static lifts than the top strongman which was Marius in that era.
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It's not a Ronnie video without hearing, "800 solid ass pounds!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah buddy! Light Weight!😂
Both are beasts but Mariusz is from another planet, what a freak of nature.
no one is beating Mariusz at old WSM events
I remember Dr. Terry Todd making a top ten list of the strongest men of all-time. Although Ronnie didn't make the list, Todd was impressed with him enough that he included him as an honorable mention.
do you have a link ??
@lordmegatron6145 It was in a magazine. I saved the page, but I wouldn't be able to find it quickly with all the tons of stuff I have. Big Z was on top at the time, and Todd put him #1. Kaz, Anderson and Cyr finished in the top 5 (not necessarily in that order). Shaw, Hall and Thor weren't a force yet, so they didn't make the list.
@@PinnaclePete thanks..
Pound per pound, Ronnie is stronger than most strongman
@@Manusia.satu1 I'm fairly sure Todd also included Franco Columbu as an honorable mention because of his great pound-for-pound strength. In that regard, he was beyond even Ronnie!
Mariusz is obviously going to be stronger (because he was a professional strongman) but it would have been interesting to see what Ronnie could have accomplished in that area if he'd focused on strongman instead of bodybuilding.
The same thing
@@NikosNikos-dr7wv They're not the same at all.
@@neilrobertson811 Mariusz was way stronger
Pudzianowski wasn’t that strong as people think he was
Krzysztof Radzikowski other polish strongman & European champion claims that he is stronger than Mariusz and says that the weights became heavier Pudzian only done what was needed to win 5 strongman titles
@@grzegorzwroblewski3345 Pudzianowski won WSM a record 5 times. You don't do that if you're not the best. What did Pudzianowski manage? Oh thats right, his best was 6th place on the single time he actually qualified for WSM.
Ronnie was strong in the gym with limited range of motion. Its really no competition. Mariusz would smoke Ronnie
In strongman yes, but put both in a powerlifting competition with a few weeks to prepare.........
Bodybuilding coaching and workouts have come so far since Ronnie. WSM training has come so far since the days of bending an iron bar around your neck. This footage needs to be preserved for the future! Amazing work as always and your analysis is spot on. Thanks for another great episode!
Thanks Matt.
Great video and comparison!
Glad you enjoyed it
I would never think to challenge any claims by Mariusz, but many of the categories were "claims" , but not verified! That being said, I believe he's the strongest ever competed in WSM!
These guys were superhuman.
another awesome video! I will give Marius the leg press because I count full range of motion as more important than stacking up 45's on it and barely moving it
Thanks bud, Mariusz's Leg press ROM is seriously impressive
@@StrengthUniverse when I've done leg press I've always gone for a crazy range of motion and never done more than 5 or 6 plates on each side
It’s hilarious to me that people think bodybuilders aren’t strong, and call it “show muscle”. They worry about keeping a super low body fat % so strongen have a slight edge, but they are ridiculously strong also
Pro level bodybuilders have a lot of things going against them. They have a lot of muscle and strength for sure, but often train in a manner where they are isolating muscles, using short ranges of motion, etc. They basically aren't training the body as a unit, though this could be easily remedied. Training with short ROM and using a lot of machines can also cause problems with mobility, flexibility, etc. This could be so bad where they may struggle to get into the rack position on a clean and press or align properly for the more awkward lifts. They would also have terrible conditioning and would really struggle with the athletic/mobile events, a lot of the drugs bodybuilders use are horrendous for aerobic conditioning, tren is a great example. Something else is these bodybuilders are often quite short, again another issue with strongman where height is an advantage.
Though he isn't a bodybuilder, Brian Siders was a top powerlifter from back in the 2000s who competed in strongman. He did pretty well at the Arnold Strongman, which was overwhelmingly heavy static events, but did incredibly poorly at the 2008 WSM in his qualifying round. Being gym strong definitely gives you a solid foundation and naturally is great for deadlifts, squats and overhead press. However, the other events require a great deal of overall athleticism and have very different requirements. Phil Pfister was someone who wasn't all that strong in the gym lifts but was incredible at the strongman events.
@@oglocbaby520 so these guys aren’t strong? Doth protest too much, methinks. I get what you’re saying, but the difference is negligible unless you’re talking about pro competition. To the average person there’s not much difference between 450# bench and 500#, they are both ridiculously strong.
@@bourneslippy8039 Do you realize there's a huge difference between gym training and strongman? What I mean by that is there are guys who are solid at static powerlifting, I used Brian Siders as a great example, that struggle with the strongman implements, mobile events, etc. Just because you bench press a lot does not mean it will have much carryover to anything other than the overhead lifts. Same goes for squats and deadlifts. Phil Pfister was honestly relatively weak in deadlifts compared to his peers but was incredible with your typical strongman movements.
Strongman is basically about being very strong overall but also being very athletic, having a lot of conditioning, etc. Height is also a huge advantage, there's a reason why virtually all of the top athletes are 6' and more often than not well over this. Most of these famous bodybuilders and fitness influencers are way shorter than you probably realize, well under 6' tall.
@@oglocbaby520 jesus dude noone was talking about strongman and I used the bench press as an arbitrary example, use deadlift or something if that helps. If you want to talk about strongman, why does Mitch Hooper use these lifts to form his opinion on whether someone would be a good competitor for WSM? Relax, you haven’t said anything that disagrees with my original comment.
@@bourneslippy8039 You said strongmen have a "slight edge", which is completely untrue. Ronnie Coleman was significantly stronger than his peers and not a representation of the typical IFBB pro. The point I was getting at is these pro bodybuilders are often in terrible overall shape and while they may be gym strong it wouldn't translate outside of this very well. Whether you like it or not, these bodybuilders are essentially functionally obese. Calum Von Moger had some achilles tear from trying a rock wall or something like that a while ago.
Again, a huge part of this is due to the drugs they are taking and the fact that they often train muscles in isolation, have terrible mobility, etc.
Great video!!! Can you make one with Alexander Karelin? Probably the most terrifying and powerful athlet ever !!
A seated overhead with back support makes a huge difference on an overhead. I have done seated overhead at 315 for 4 reps. But 300 log and 330 overhead push press.
Yes absolutely; the core strength required to do military press is incredible. As you are aware most strongman overhead lifts usually require the athlete to clean the weight from the floor to the shoulders which is also massively taxing.
Thanks for doing this !
Thanks for suggesting it
Mariusz is a beast
Incredible athlete
@@StrengthUniverse Partial reps shouldn't count as real strength. Because I guarantee Ronnie would be pushing out fewer reps if he used a full range of motion on his lifts. Mariusz is stronger than Ronnie when it comes to real overall strength using a full range of motion on all lifts.
@@TiredOfImbecileLibtards Ronnies deadlift was pulled with full ROM and zero hitching. His squat was marginally short of full depth and his shoulder press was not locked out to keep tension on the shoulder rather than the tricep (as I mentioned at the start of the video, they trained for different sports). You seem to fail to account for the fact that all of Mariusz lifts are claims e.g they are not of video so cannot be accurately judged. Many people doubt his claims of a 290kg bench and we don’t no if the squat was performed raw or equipped. Also the fact that for the deadlift and shoulder press, Ronnie was only 5 weeks out from the Mr O so definitely not at full strength
Ronnie is always good for these comparisons because he has so many lifts on video, but his form and ROM are always lacking. I am shocked there wasnt better choices for lifts from Pudz as he has a decade of strongman footage. I am shocked here how close Ronnie was to Pudz who has a case for strongest man in history.
I dont think any one would argue that Pudz is the strongest man in history. Yes he was one of the most dominant strongman of his time but he competet in one of weakest eras. If were looking for the strongest men we would end with prime
Hafþór Björnsson, Žydrūnas Savickas or some or some of the elite powerlifters even after adjusting for people getting better over the course of history.
he's doing lengthened partials which have now been proven to be superior than full ROM for muscle growth
@stopplzs I will stick with Dr.Mike in the "full rom club". Unfortunately there is workout research to support any point. Lol no shade
@@stopplzs Ahahahahahahaaa!
@@thewelfaregourmetdr mike himself has completely switched and is emphasizing the stretch and very lengthened positions and skipping the lockout or top lately
It’s possible Ronnie could have done well WSM. Being a “smaller” power guy when compared to guys like Brian Shaq and The Mountain. Mariusz was obviously dominant in the WSM events that required movement. Absolutely the best ever. Ronnie maybe could have been that type of competitor? Very strong on static lifts but top tier on the movement lifts?? Who knows I guess. Would have been fun to see that’s for sure
Interesting video bro,i like it.
Imagine if ronnie dedicated his life to powerlifting instead bodybuilding... i dont think he could achive 500kg on deadlift,but probably around 450kg (i guess).
So in facts,we could say Marius was stronger,but ronnie had more power projection in a future.
Anyway,is my opinion,good video 👍🏻.
Thanks bro, If only we'd got to see Ronnie participate in Strongman or Powerlifting; that would have been cool
We want a video about martin ford
Mariusz was at his best in strongman events that required a combination of strength,endurance and agility as opposed to pure strength output.
What Ronnie was able to do was incredible and it would have been nice to see what he could have done training strictly for strong man.
No roids = weak.
*Ronnie done half reps but Mariusz done full reps
he's doing lengthened partials which have now been proven to be superior than full ROM for muscle growth
@@stopplzsit’s now been proven your absolutely wrong. Get with the latest data bro
Legends !!!!!!!!
Mariusz is a strongman who looks like a bodybuilder and Ronnie is a bodybuilder who is as powerful as a strongman.
I absolutely love your videos! I would love to see more on Tom Haviland and Christopher Dorn. Also gage_the_guggernaut and Joesph Tumbarello
Honestly/ if you made a 1.5 hour documentary I would buy it. Keep up the great content!
Additionally, I think we all wonder what Ronnie would do via strongman or powerlifting if he trained a whole year for it after a few Mr.O titles…so incredibly strong
Thank you, I've made a note of your suggestion
Great video! Both Marius and Ronnie were phenomenal. Hard to believe Marius built his size and strength mostly on ice-cream, candy bars and other highly processed junk foods.
Did he?
He said that he eats a lot of those things @@MrDreamer60
He had a reasonable Bodybuilding diet but also liked to indulge
I would like to see a strength comparison between Greg Kovacs and Markus Rühl in their physical primes.
I don't know if you've seen it but I made a video on Greg and for the reasons I highlighted in that video an accurate comparison would be difficult
what an awesome video....this is excellent content. I wish the guys at "It's just bodybuilding" (Dusty Hanshaw, Big Ron Partlow, & Coach Scott McNally) would do a "It's just bodybuilding reacts" review of this video !!! Their discussion on this 5 1/2 minute video could easily become close to a 30 minute reaction video.
Ronnies lifts were designed primarily as body building not powerlifting and he was a reduced carb diet. His potential IMHo is about 10-20% more than his recorded.
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It's not stated enough Ronnie was depleted on those legendary clips. Prepping for a bodybuilding show is ridiculous, let alone an Olympia. Ronnie likely wasn't even @ 70% doing those insane lifts. I'm sure Mariusz was dinged up on most of his WSM performances also, but Ronnie has to have way less to give in the gym trying to lean out for a show. Mariusz would still be stronger than Ronnie because of the training, but Ronnie would be very close carbed up and hydrated.
I have always wondered how much more incredible Ronnie would have been had he lifted smart rather than heavy,
@@David-lx4yb Honestly I think Ronnie would have never achieved the size he got without lifting heavy. He was a natural freak with strength and size, and he took advantage of that, and he is arguably the best/biggest BB ever to compete. If he lifted smarter than he would probly still be lifting but nothing crazy. I've Always like Ronnie the best........YEAH BUDDY, LIGHTWEIGHT LIGHTWEIGHT!!
@@Goodfella0982 Possibly, but look at Jay Cutler and the size he achieved without lifting insanely heavy. Lots of guys do it.
They use to have a video of Maruiz on here shoulder pressing over 500lbs of Free weights for reps
Nice
Thanks
@@StrengthUniverse welcome
Mariusz is flexible
So I feel compelled to comment on the leg press as ronnie should take an honest and easy win (thou personally don't know about straps so someone else can quantify that difference)
There is a way to quantify the angle in leg press and the force on the leg with mechanics.
A 35 degree leg press is 57.54% of a vertical leg press in terms of the force on the legs.
While a 45 degree leg press is 70.71% of a vertical leg press.
So 2300 pounds at 57.54% is 1,319 pounds vertically.
Then 860 pounds at 70.71% is 608 pounds vertically.
That's over a 2x advantage to ronnie.
I guess you are referring to Knee Wraps? They can make a huge difference with a full ROM,. but as seen in the video Ronnie didn't use a full range of motion so how much difference they made is questionable. The biggest difference in the angle of the sled which you have accounted for but Range of Motion is just as important and as seen in the video, Mariusz was moving the weight twice the distance of Ronnie. Taking everything into account they are pretty close.
@@StrengthUniverse I did forget the lesser range of motion
What about Krzysztof Radzikowski Ron Gronkski Bill Romanowski All these polish people seem pretty dame strong with reputation in status
I'm not sure if it's still up but i made a video with Krzysztof Radzikowski about 3 years ago
I think the reason Coleman was so great and has such a following even today is because he was basically a body builder who did strongman exercises at times to get huge. Most body builders today lift lighter weights than Ronny. Look how he destroyed himself to achieve this
That is so true. I was reading an article where he said that basically his entire spine is fused--just one solid bone/rod. He said he's had both hips replaced and I can't begin to remember what all other surgeries he's had to have done.
@@JamesStreet-tp1vb Honestly, Ronnie never needed to train like that to get as huge as he was, that was a product of his genetics AND the gear he was taking. He probably really enjoyed training the way he did, pushing crazy weight and yelling and hollering. I saw an interview with him and how he said he was training and heard a "gun shot" when he blew out his disc and he just kept training. It sounds like he had a ton of warning signs and was too stubborn for his own good. Him being so insanely juiced was a huge part of this as well. He would have naturally been a big strong guy, but the amount of stuff he was taking would have allowed him to handle weight that was dangerous to the health of his connective tissue. Combine this with terrible training form and practices + the other factors I mentioned and this is the result.
@@oglocbaby520 Exactly. I remember watching the exact same video about him saying he heard something POP. He said that he stopped working out and thought to himself "What was that?" And went right on working out. He didn't even realize that the POP was something inside him blowing up. Lol.
Yeah, for sure, sadly, the gear got to him just like it eventually does everyone. But I think you're right that he enjoyed it. Probably more than anyone can imagine. He had, arguably, THE best physique of anyone who's ever lived and he certainly has tremendous accomplishments during his reign as king. But, I remember an old adage that goes "A light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long." Enjoy the ride while you can because eventually, the toll comes due.
@@JamesStreet-tp1vb The guy had an insane work ethic for sure, loved training crazy as hell but was too stubborn and not very intelligent with his training, as I mentioned. A lot of these top guys in the iron game have a huge passion for it, whether that be powerlifting or strongman or bodybuilding, and many honestly have huge egos. There's often not much consideration put into actual health or longevity, though this is also a very common mindset you will see with other top athletes and even with people in careers with high demands.
Tons of young men in their teens and twenties that get into the gym game usually gain inspiration from watching Ronnie's old training videos or they follow guys like Sam Sulek or these other influencers. These young guys don't know wth they are doing and start emulating what they see. There's no reason for some 21 year old kid at the gym to be training like that and destroying his body in the process. I'm 34 and been in the gym game since I was 16, it's something I've seen countless times over the years. One big reason why you don't see too many very strong and fit guys close to 30 at the gym, let alone past this age range, is because many end up injured. I met a guy at the gym a year ago around my age that was literally bragging to me about how he blew his knee out squatting lol, literally needed a knee replacement. I knew another guy around my age back in 2019 that ego lifted like crazy on deadlifts and squats that ended up getting some sort of SI joint/hip injury that forced him out of lifting.
As for Ronnie's physique. Honestly, most people look at guys like Ronnie and these other IFBB pros and they don't see it as attractive. Instead, it's more like a freak or circus show to them, it's impressive and unusual to them but not something they would aspire to. Outside of the bodybuilding world, this is how the overwhelming majority of people would view these physiques. The amount of dedication that goes into it is very impressive though, it's literally a life commitment.
A pro strongman an average will always be stronger than a pro body builder, although Ronnie was definitely head and shoulders above his peers in terms of his training intensity. That said, both Mariusz and Ronnie are GOATs in their respective discipline.
IN THE NEXT VIDEO DANIEL BELL VS JESUS OLIVARES PLEASE... 💪👌
Спасибо за видео брат, это реально две легенды!
Thanks. Two of the best
ROM counts
Both are legends but Mariusz is also a lot more athletic. Bodybuilders tend to be more musclebound where strongmen keep a lot of their mobility for their sport.
Mariuz, Raw 400kg DL, 639lbs, 800lbs+ raw squat...not even close. Ronnie's DB shoulder press was in actuality an incline press
Don't agree with giving Ronnie the overhead press for a seated press with much shorter ranger of motion.
It was based on the seated barbell and DB press judged against Mariusz's full history of overhead events which left them very close. than factoring in that Ronnie wasn't training as a strength athlete and was only 5 weeks out from the Olympia. Also Consider that all of Mariusz lift's were achieved with leg drive
Ronnie was doing partials on the OHP.
As I stated in the video
@@StrengthUniverse I know but why count it as they are not full reps.
@@itsallgoodman940 How would you like it accounted for?
The impressive part about this is that reguardless of Ronnie's less than steller range of motion, he was able to perform lifts near the same level as Mariusz WHILE being significantly leaner.
If you've ever tried lifting heavy while starving, then you'll know what i mean 71124
For the leg press, an empirical way to measure is to multiply total weight by the sin of the angle. That way, you calculate the "vertical weight" they're lifting so Ronnie absolutely crushes it there🤓🤓
Mariusz was never a static weight champion like the ones in the movie. You could say that was his biggest weakness. His biggest advantage was the combination of strength and dynamics. That's why he was successful in MMA after his strongman career ended. With all due respect to Ronnie, he had no chance in strength sports with Mariusz. But that's not surprising since he trained in a different sport. On the other hand, Mariusz is a five-time Strongman world champion.
How strong was the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world Rocky Marciano?
I'll agree with all of the assessments because the overhead press. Standing combined with those loose apparatuses on the ends is so much harder. That being said i don't think there was enough evidence to compare the 2 athletes fairly on the strength of that lift.
The strong man competitions are so diffident level than the gym. I’ve tried this many time and laughed at my “lack of success”: try alternate standing dumbbell curls with 40 pounders. No problem can do multiple reps as I’m sure any of you guys can. Then from the store , I’ll carry in each hand an 18-litre water cooler jug which are also 40 pounds a piece. Try curling them. Same weight. I can’t get one! Just that awkward, non-conventional object makes incredible difference. If anyone can get couple of decent reps using those coolers…let me know👍
I'm 58. My lag press 500 kg * 30reps.
I think Mariush did more.
Mariusz is from genetically gifted family. His brother is also well builded and acted in strongman events.
800 solid 800
both amazing but the pole wins hands down
Roonie seems to have terrible range of motion. Mariusz was not called the dominator for just his amazing strength, he had excellent speed, mobility and cardio. The total package.
Ronnie has the better physique
@@glenalter4183 Subjective, personally I'd say not. The goat of physiques was Arnie, it's not all about mass.
See what you are saying. Mariuz is huge I think he weighs about 300 lbs and looks like a body builder. I have a few female friends who think he is so gorgeous.
Mariusz won his titles eating candy bars and kielbasa. (No, I’m not joking)
Can you do a video about Michael Jordan vs LeBron James?
Mariusz said his bench squat was 395 and bench 295.
Mariusz is still fighting. Ronnie is on a wheel chair..enough said..
Mariusz, unlike Ronnie, was smart enough to maintain his health and not become disabled. This is the main thing, not power. In general, an incorrect comparison - powerlifting and bodybuilding are completely different disciplines.
The fact they are from different sports was literally mentioned in the first 20 seconds of the video and again at the end
La GENÉTICA de Mariusz daba Pará el mr.Olympia... tener definido un sixpack siendo strongman pesando mas de 130k sin entrenar como culturista .... Ronnie ya tenia experiencia en powerlifting y con farmacos para la fuerza 👀 Mariusz sigue entrenando , es funcional y aparte es peleador profesional 😂😂😂
Can u do one for Andrey Smaev now, he is a lot stronger now
I'm working on that video at the moment.
Ronnie made zero clean lift like Mariuz!!
Compare both nowdays ...
Battle of titans
If Ronnie wanted to be WSM then he would have been WSM! Instead, he wanted to be Mr. Olympia, so he was Mr. Olympia!
At that time, winning the Olympia was about 10 times harder than winning WSM. WSM was divided but the Olympia was in it's prime! Ronnie wins this comparison, habds down! Marius is a great athlete but Ronnie is King of this era!
Also, comparing a strength athlete against a bodybuilder in "strength only" lifts is a bit biased imo. Especially when the bodybuilder won a couple if the events 🤷🤷
Bodybuilders compete at their lowest strength while Strongmen compete at their peak. Just saying.
Is it worth doing a video on powerlifter turned bodybuilder Joel Thomas? Although he isn't a 300-400 lb. guy, he has exhibited incredible pressing power with barbells and dumbbells in the bench and incline press for max sets and high rep sets.
Every video about Ronnie strength, claims that he was X weak before the Olympia and he could do more if not that lean - Absolute BS, that was are best lifts, he is juiced to the gills before the Olympia, while in the offseason he's heavier but not on that many drugs and therefore weaker. Ronnie has confirmed multiple times that this are his best lifts, please stop claiming the X weeks BS.
"Claiming X out from the Olympia" is a fact. I agree these are his best ever lifts and his PED cycle was at it's peak during this time, in fact Ronnie has stated that he didn't use PED's in the off season (I doubt this 100% accurate). However if Ronnie trained for Powerlifting or Strongman he would have carried considerably higher BF. He also would have run an appropriate cycle so he would have absolutely been stronger had that been the direction he'd chosen. My only apprehension is whether his body couldn't have handled it and given his current condition from decades of BB and think not.
Before you keep bringing up range of motion, you should listen to what Eddie has to say on that topic...
They could settle it with an arm wrestle!
No way this is even a debate. Lol
Don't forget Jonnie Jackson. Trained with Ronnie and maybe had some better lifts.
Mariusz. Mr Olympia is a glorified chippendale show. Static gym lifts dont necessarily translate to WSM. Ronnies range of motion is awful too.
Your comment comes across as very angry. This is purely for entertainment purposes, and they are legends in their own right.
Breathe man
You ok bro? Got some body dismorphia going on?
😂
Point being who would win with both of these individuals in their prime in a WSM competition?.. We all know this answer
@@noladude5046what's the answer?
Mariusz najlepszy !
Co by nie mowic to Mariusz jest w duzo lepszej kondycji dzis niz Ronnie pomimo dzwigania.Szkoda Ronniego bo to bardzo pozytywny facet.
Marius will beat him in real fight , and lifting heavier weights.
Ron will beat him in bodybuilding, but here is nothing to compete actually.
Two different things .
About the leg press I am not impressed at all .
I did on body weight 90 kg / 15 good reps with 750 kg .
all good except that a bodybuilder's OHP cannot possibly be near the GOAT strongman, low chance.
Having checked the results of all of Mariusz's OHP events across his 10 years of competing; I can safely conclude that Ronnie and Mariusz were very closely matched.
@@StrengthUniverse wow..ok i guess mariusz won because his contests had more dynamic lifting unlike a static shown like Shaw Classic or Arnold's
Theoretical 1 rep maxes are bogus. If you’ve never held that much or put it on your back it feels completely different
I think you meant to say "1 rep maxes are bogus". I state it is theoretical e.g a supposition to make it as clear as possible that this is a calculation.
POLSKA GUROM !!!
Why would Ronnie do his heaviest lifts close to competition if it was detrimental to his strength?
Being in a calorie deficit for several weeks is very detrimental to strength, however Ronnie would have been on a much large cycle
@@StrengthUniverse That’s what I thought, but how much was he lifting on lower cycles and full body weight?
@@solb101 The 500lb bench press shown in the video was performed during the off season. The issue is that he wouldn’t have been his full strength then either. Ronnie on a full cycle without limitations on food would have certainly been stronger, how much though is hard to estimate.
@@StrengthUniverse How was he limited on food in the off season? He was at least 30lb heavier. Mariusz himself was pretty lean as a strongman competitor.
@@solb101 In the off season he claims to have been off PEDs. What we needed to see is big Ron on a full cycle and 6000 calories
Can you do a video on Tom Stoltman and Mitchell hooper. Then Luke Stoltman and Eddie Williams.
4:07 this is 400 kg, not 415 kg.
As is clearly stated in the video his best claimed deadlift is 415
@@StrengthUniverse Pekanov won- 410 kg. Mariusz 415 kg??no movie.
@@Zajc-rm2cd correct, in that competition Mariusz did 400. There is no video of his claimed 415
My pr squat leg press is heavier than Mariusz'.
Ronnie does not train for strength! He would do a bodybuilding program
I literally talk about this in the first 30 seconds of the video and again at the end.
Those huge veins on Coleman cannot be healthy 😢
Proffesional bodybuilding isn't a healthy sport.
It ain't a sport@@vojtechkorhon4159
And lets not forget. Ronnie was in his late 30s/early 40s when Mariusz was in his 20s (1964 vs 1977)
Remembering that strength athletes usually peak in there late 30's.
Ronnie half reps coleman
Show your 300lbs+ shredded body kid
Solid ass half reps that would fold you like a clean pair of clothes
he's doing lengthened partials which have now been proven to be superior than full ROM for muscle growth
@@stopplzs Could you repeat that? I'm not really sure what you're getting at.
He's intentionally overloading his targeted muscles for his upcoming Olympia victory.
Being the Strongest Bodybuilder of all time doesn't equate to Being the Strongest Man on Earth aka The World's Strongest Man
He's not the Strongest Bodybuilder of all time
@@StrengthUniverse Strongest Mr Olympia?
@@rafaelcisneros562 Yes Ronnie was the strongest winner of the Mr Olympia
I think how crippled Ronnie is now is a testament to how hard he pushed and how strong he was.
I’d dubious of some or Mariusz claims though. His bench seems very high
Marius 5ft10
He's 6'1. Even now he's 47 years old and after years of training his height in MMA is still listed at 186cm
Love Ronnie.
Not a fair comparison
Light weight baby!
❤
Ronnie was within spitting distance, at a much lower bodyfat.
Marius can really DO something with his muscles in the ring, bodybuilders all get whooped by thinner fighters. Their muscles don’t mean anything.
Ronnie would destroy Conor or Khabib in UFC lol. Strength difference is crazy. One grab, Conor dead
@@Manusia.satu1 Ronnie doesn’t destroy anyone but himself. Poor man can hardly walk anymore.
@@VTVT1306 One arm Ronnie is stronger than whole Conor lol
@@Manusia.satu1 all that muscle won’t save you from a knockout. A boxer will hit him twenty times before a bodybuilder can pull back his arm.😅
Ronnie is not 5'11 😂 this video is hokie
Ronnie prior to his serious back injury was 5'11. Plenty of resources and pictures that verify his height
Has there been video confirmation of Mariusz claimed 290KG Bench?
Yes I saw this video and he said in his Prime he was benching 295 kg but this is in polish language.
@@krzysztof346
I didn't ask if that is what Mariusz said he benched that much. I asked if there is an actual video of him bench pressing that much weight. I'm not really interested in what someone claims they can lift. I want to see real evidence like a video of them actually bench pressing the weight.
@@thewestfaceofdhaulagiri6697 you think 5 times World Strongest Man is lying? If he can bench 200 kg at 47 y.o while he is mma figher and his body weight is around 120 kg he definitly could bench 295 when he was 20 year younger, 20 kg heavier and when he was strongman.
@@krzysztof346
Is there a video of Mariuz bench pressing 200KG at 47 while he is a MMA fighter?
Don't be so naive. Larry Wheels best competition bench is 645 pounds (about 293 KG) and is most likely stronger statistically at his peak strength than Mariuz was at his peak strength.
So, do I think Mariuz is lying? I think it is a possibility just like it is a possibility that he he did bench press 290-295KG. You said he could have bench press 290=295 KG. Yes, he could have bench pressed that amount meaning it is a possibility just like it is a possible he could be lying. The fact you said he could rather than he did means even you accept the possibility he could be lying.
@@thewestfaceofdhaulagiri6697 1:06
Are you blind or something?
1:11 that's not 290kg ... that looks like 200kg
Polska górom!
Yes becouse he did that resently and he is 47 y.o now. He did 290 kg probably like 20 years ago.
Imagine how strong Ronnie would be at 20-30 percent bodyfat
So now where going by “Claims” of what that person says. I believe several of these lifts were exaggerated by Marius. He never benched 639. I can almost guarantee it. Look at what Thor and Brian Shaw Max bench is, Thors around 540-560 and Brian‘s around 585 I believe. Ronnie said he could have squated 5-6 reps that day but stopped at 2. So that would give him max of 900-930 for a single. Brian Shaw in an interview and he said Marius wasn’t know as the strongest in the static lifts but excelled in the athletic events. So with all this being said, I’m pretty sure Ronnie definitely has Marius beat in the bench and squat. The dead lift is the only thing that I believe. Marius would probably beat him in. Shows how strong Coleman was that he was stronger in most static lifts than the top strongman which was Marius in that era.