Urban Does Not Equal CQB | Urban Combat Distances
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- I've go over a few things to consider in regards to how CQB is perceived. Distance in an urban environment is rarely discussed, so I wanted to share my thoughts.
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Great points. When I went to my first CQB course in Special Forces, I had a hard time grasping some of the techniques until an instructor told me "Urban" and "CQB" are nothing more than infantry tactics in a confined area. The Principles of Patrolling do not change. Whenever we did "CQB" we always had "sniper" overwatch. Additionally as CQB Assaulters, we were expected to engage targets out to 200meters with our "CQB" rifles, before and after entering the objective. The guys that came back from Somalia were dead set on having their zeros ready for 100m, so we started ensuring we could rapidly and accurately engage at those distances too.
This is great information!
I’ve heard the 100m zero is inferior to the 36m zero as the 36 & 25’s do better a further distance than the 100m zero.
@@MetaVizions It depends on a few things. First is mission...If the primary mission of a unit is CQB and hostage rescue then a zero that facilitates, less of an offset at closer distances might be better. If the primary mission is to engage enemy in the open terrain, a zero that focuses more on max distance might be more useful. BUT more importantly is how well does the individual know their offsets at varying distances. If a person can effectively use their weapon at all distances, then that is the best zero for them.
I remember something similar told by Jeff Gurwich, from the Modern Tactical Shooting channel in his video "Why setting up your rifle based on the mission is wrong"...the door-kicking and room-clearing were the focus of raids, sure, but you had to GET to the target building, DEFEND the target building from attacks while performing Sensitive Site Exploitation, and then GET OUT of the target building, so having a super-shorty with just a red dot zeroed for 20yds would work great on the core phase, but would leave you very undermatched during the before, annex and after
@@DonPatrono Jeff is a good friend of mine and you will seldom find anyone out there with his depth of knowledge and experience. When Jeff speaks, I'd listen.
I'm a combat veteran with experience fighting in multiple terrains. You've changed the way I think and probably just cost me a couple hundred bucks on gear I didn't know I needed. Glad I found this video.
Dang I didn’t mean to make you spend more money haha. Just wanted to start a conversation 💪. Thank you for your service
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A vet once told me that he doesn't want evil within a mile of his family. Good hunting. And thank you.
If you are a combat veteran with experience you should have known this before watching the video.
Okay, first vid I have seen of yours. Outstanding topic, dialogue and relevancy my friend.
Thanks for the support!
Another great thought experiment. I took a class over a decade ago. Aimpoint T1 optic, no magnifier. (They weren't a thing yet.) We spent a day and a half refining our expectations for the 50/200 zero. After that we walked it out to 600. No bipod, not magnification, just the magwell for support. Day 3 we did the same shot cold. Once you knew what you didn't know, 25-300 with a red dot seemed and is pretty easy. I like magnification too, but as I get older, I sometimes have to trade the weight of a 1-6 for a red dot. Magnifiers help, because you can take them off and on. All this is to say, once you know you're zero cold, you would be surprised how quick and easy 200-400 yard shots standing actually become. You won't be taking head shots, but you will be more than capable at combat effective shooting.
Its great to see people bringing up the fact that urban combat is far more diverse than people train for. CQB just happens to be the most dangerous part of urban warfare because tactics stop existing at super short distance, where the trigger finger speed and first observation advantage play king. I learned from a salty ODA "don't breach a building you don't have too. If you can lock it down with a gun do so."
Yep! I just wanted to start a conversation to see what everyone thought.
@@ConcreteCowboyx Brass Facts and S2 underground have videos on this. I want to say S2 has a video with range breakdowns from multiple urban enviros, one is a suburban street corner, another is like a parking lot 3rd floor, and a downtown street.
This was great! I too have had the same thought process when I go out and train. It’s very popular to train at distances 25-50yards but I feel in a real situation it going to be much farther! Just subscribed
Yeah I definitely don’t want to be 50 yards and in during a firefight. I want as much distance as my skill will allow
@@ConcreteCowboyx look forward to your next video!
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This is a great thing to talk about what I do with my students is I ask them how far objects are and they call out a number and then I range it and I call the number this game helps students train their brains and eyes to seeing distances and help them understand why magnification of some kind is important
Civilians are NOT soldiers and they need to understand before ENGAGING TARGETS you need to identify problems and read the story before helping or responding accordingly
tracking also helps students understand signs thinking and understanding slow is smooth smooth is fast. Mindsets
It’s ok to breath and not jump to conclusions when you are the one watching things unfold
❤ bro that was a damn good video. I just subscribed after this. You’re doing a great job. I’m learning a lot for me. Keep up the good work and thanks again.😊
Great video. This is the first one of yours I've seen. Thumbnail is great, spiritus vibes. Very good info, I actually was thinking "Man I should go laze some spots in the city" and then ten seconds later you mentioned that in the video. Good stuff man, subbed, keep it up
Thanks for the support! Glad you’ll be sticking around!
This is a great video. As someone who does train, I've never thought about distance like that. Definitely going to keep this in mind and develop more with distance shooting.
Honestly, all great stuff to think about. Being an infantry GWOT dude hardly makes me an expert on shooting (or anything else). But what I will say is have magnification on your rifle (duh). When I moved over from irons/reddot to an ACOG it felt like having a cheat code (and you can still do cqb things). Also depending on what reticle/bdc you have in your chosen optic it can make on the fly range estimating a snap (as long as you practice and are familiar with it). I really appreciate the idea of shooting smaller targets at distance to work precision. Real world, your target isn't a high contrast human silhouette standing out in the open (good luck seeing a dude in camo who's taking cover at 300 yards with just a reddot). And in keeping with that "real world" vibe I recommend incorporating stress shoots (if you already are kudos). Shooting is pretty straightforward (even at distance). When you are exhausted, hot, tired, sweaty, with eyeprotection fogging up and then you have to start putting rounds on target...it's a bit different. Definitely work on your fundamentals in a comfy training environment. Once you have those down start putting them to the test. If nothing else you'll definitely find deficiencies in your gun, kit and yourself you wouldn't have known about otherwise. And work on that fitness, if you aren't fit enough to be mobile af someone else who is will take advantage of that.
I heard the point about being able to see inside a dark room better at a distance than close up from a couple guys before, so it seems thats verified. You present very good points, nice video!
Great info. Glad to see this idea getting out there. I’ve always notice many lines of fire in most cities are far greater than people realize. Most streets in the west are fairly straight, you can literally see for multiple blocks. The suburbs of ten have far less open lines of sight. People have it backwards.
This is the second video of your iv watched. Great job. Sub’d
100% agree. That's why I have a 1.5-15x on my rifle and a ballistic range finder on my kit.
Also a big benefit for high velocity/bc cartridges like 6arc (or even 556 out of a 20"). Who cares what the range is when your bullet can't tell a difference. Reading the wind and compensating is the bigger issue.
Good stuff right here!
How do you like the march, sfp or ffp?
@@Dexter-nw2fe dfp (so both).
I love it. There is not a better LPVO on the market I would take over it (unfortunately).
Good video man. Just found your channel and subbed. I agree with you 100%. Both Haley Strategic and Trident Concepts have great classes that work bad breath distance to out past 300 yards.
My man! Great video and topic! If you haven't watched any of Buck Doyle's content... you should check him out. Dude is a certified American badass. Combat veteran. Spec Ops. Many tours. He runs a practical distance shooting course where he spends a significant portion of the class just helping the students get used to estimating ranges for target identification in nature. Not urban, but similar in concept to the range finding you did here. I'm digging the idea of theory added into the educational side of your videos. Keep 'em coming, Cowboy!
Great thumbnail and video. Lot of good info. Brass facts made a video on the same topic quite a while ago so I think people are starting to change their ideas
Great video! Learning range shooting also prepares new shooters for hunting small or big game in a survival situation for food. Thanks for sharing. I'm a fan and just subscribed!
I think you did a great job conveying perspective in this video made me reconsider my 11 1/2 inch to maybe get a magnifier and a laser rangefinder just to pre-plan target distances
Either way, dope video
A lot to think about right? Just want everyone to have more food for thought so we can all plan accordingly
Great content and very well put together. Cheers, dude!
Thanks! I’m trying!
Great topic, I am guilty of training at the limitations of my local range. Rangefinder and spotting scope are in my future as I have a resource that is going to work with me on longer distance shooting.
Delta thrifty four does a really detailed video about zeroing. And height over bore and how different zeros work at different distances. I highly recommend it.
Very interesting, I’ll take a look!
Good video bro, good time meeting you last weekend. I’ll keep up with the content.
Thanks man!
One point I will add is that it is very nice to have magnification that isn’t just a rifle scope. Even relatively affordable binoculars give you a MUCH better view and information gathering than an LPVO does at the same magnification. I think everyone should have a pair of 8 or 10x binos. Much better depth of field, much better field of view (8x binos have double the field of view that most LPVOs have at 6x), and way less eye and neck fatigue to scan with binos.
Good advice!
Cool to see imagery from my own area; some of those sightlines weren't even end to end but a mid-point to another point within a much longer sightline. People definitely underestimate urban distances. I've always been a fan of the Army's 25/300m zero for this exact reason, makes it a lot easier to point and shoot when you know your zero can reach out past your comfort zone.
Yep! It’s a lot to consider. And there are many ways to attack the matter
Coming from the army 9 years active. Once I got out I tried the 36y zero. On point and less poi poa difference
This is a great thought provoking video my man
Magnification matters, lit reticles matter. Being able to PID that target even at 1-200 yards in low light conditions is harder than anyone ever thinks. People talk a lot about Night Vision, but don't really consider how effective just a good quality optic can do in lower light situations.
Definitely agree with this
Good stuff dude. Lots of people love to romanticize CQB but the reality is that the guys who are really good (the ones who can reliably clear rooms and not die) train for weeks at a time. The best advice I ever got as an augmentee about clearing rooms was "Do your job and your job only. Trust everyone else to do theirs. The second one person tries to multitask, we all die."
Don't have multiple sets of eyes in one direction. The enemy is always where you're not looking.
Another great video and something to think about!
Great advice. I rarely see guys shooting at 50 over iron sights but the reality is that’s not a far shot. If you can’t hit an FBI target at 50 yds with iron sights you need to take that scope off and work on it until you can.
I think 50-100 should be the bare minimum standard for testing rifle mechanics. I know a lot of ranges only go out to 25, but there are some that go further. Just have to drive to them. Good points!
USMC basic training marksmanship when I was in was 250 yards standing and kneeling, 300 yards sitting and 500 yards prone with iron sights. This was a 20” barrel M16 A2. We were told the average engagement range was 300 yards. CQB was done with that same 20” rifle.
We did do MOUT training and that was a combination of urban warfare and some structure clearing (CQB). We engaged targets from 10 feet out to approx 200 yards on the fly. Move to a structure, make entry, clear and move to the next structure and so on.
Another reason why to have a suppressor to hide muzzle flash and help hide sound signature. Seems like you were up close to north GA mountains. Train for urban DMR like Brass Facts mentioned in a video
I live just outside of Atlanta so the longer ranges are up north. But I also have a hot take on suppressors as well haha. Again I’m just a civilian so all of this is speculation from my personal limited experience. Definitely don’t want to discount your view point or experiences. Topics like this need discussion so we can all learn from each other! I love brass facts and this video was formatted similar to his haha
@ I’m ITP Decatur so urban DMR subject matter is of utmost importance.
i live in SoCal in a suburb and just from my front door to the end of my driveway is roughly 30 yards, front door to across the street is 50, to the top of my hill 110 yards. My backyard from door to any point can be up to 37 yards clear line. i keep a range finder in my car and casually beam distances just so i can be familiar with what 25, 50, 75,100+ yards looks like around my city.
Great video! To keep the convo going I would argue that in a shtf scenario taking any shot over 50-100 yards is a no go. Too many cons in my opinion!
My neighborhood has sight lines out to 300 yards. The homes are built on 75’ x 100’ lots. So from property line to property line it’s approximately 25 yards per house.
For any of you folks that dont have a rangefinder, depending on the marking style you have in your reticle you can measure range off of how "tall" the person is in the reticle. You can also figure out Lead or Ambush too on moving targets. Once you learn it, it takes practice but if you want to get it you'll get it. Consistency is key.
This I great info! My reticle lets me estimate range up to 700 yards, but I feel like not a lot of people know this. Thanks for posting this!
@@ConcreteCowboyx Certain MOS' in the Army (I'm one of them) had pretty tedious training and practice and training and practice some more on it without even firing a shot. It paid off in Spades in the end. 👍🏽
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This is why I use the 36/300yd zero. I don't want to have to think about ranging the target. Basically hold center mass for any range out to 300. I use the PA 1-6 ACSS SFP.
I'm grateful for your channel
I was able to go through the Viking Tactics course at Campbell and attended the Combat Shooting course several times in Walls, Mississippi. Not to mention other courses but the one thing that stuck with me was "play the what if game" I still do it to this day. No you're not going to use "what if" when you're under stress but it almost becomes natural reaction.
It’s good you stated the wrol/shtf scenario base because shooting extended distance on somebody is a ticket to the can in most cases. The shorter distance work is likely more realistic in a self defense scenario. But- preaching precision at all distances is a worthy angle no doubt
Correct, self defense should not be past 7 yards (unless in certain situations like Eli Dicken). No way to justify that, when a better option at that distance is to leave. But it’s definitely something to think about if there is no law, and morality has shipped. You still want to be a good moral person, but defense may take place further than 15 yards in that scenario
Great content. Please do more
Consider trying your red dot back up sight at 12 o'clock piggyback on top of your scope if you are training for prone engagements at distance. It helps with target acquisition more than a 45 degree, in my limited experience.
Living on a ranch and then in the Suburbs. 100 yard shots in both areas are totally different too. Urban is nuts.
where were you taking 100 yard shots in a suburban neighborhood?
That is pretty crazy, and what were the differences? I’ve been in the suburbs all my life and only recently started shooting distance in rural areas.
Solid info.💯👌🏾
Appreciate it, always trying to provide value
I categorize engagement distances in three main categories.
1. CQB or 0-50m
2. Carbine 50-300m
3. Rifle 300-600m
Each category allows for different tactics and ammo.
Each category can have blurred lines and overlap in tactics, but the concept is the same.
Another parallel category is the different kinds of threats.
1. Animals.
2. Individual criminals
3. Unorganized criminals
4. Organized criminals
5. Tyrannical corporations
6. Tyrannical governments.
The individual can defend themselves at the previous stated distances when the potential threats have opportunity, ability, and malice, or your life is in danger.
Agreed. This is the reason I use a 36yd zero. ~Poa/poi out to 300yds.
Good video! Next level of thinking would be....how would you feel about enemies that far away from you having MPVO's or long range scopes or even thermal or drones? Can you even positively identify bad guys at 300 yards?
Thanks to the new DoD directive 5240.01, it seems like the bad guys of the future.... may be very familiar. Lol.
Good question! If I’m being honest, I don’t have the knowledge to answer that appropriately. I don’t think it would be fair to make up an answer just to look knowledgeable on this platform. But that is something very serious to consider!
Awesome, good information to consider.
Glad it was helpful!
A friend of mine has been trying to get me into longer range shooting since I tend do do closer stuff in 3gun. He's used to shooting up to 500 with his 10.5, might take em up on that.
About 6 sniper teams strategically placed in Atlanta proper is enough to deny access and defend the whole city if given enough ammo. Not to mention that you can see so far out it's mind boggling. Not to mention the amount of tree cover surrounding the city so you can set up passive security there such as cameras and motion detectors.
Very interesting
we saw something similar in Bosnia. scary stuff.
Maybe 6 lmg teams
They would be useless with how common drone and thermal tech has shaped the current wars and proxy wars
good video dude !!! give us more !!! cheers from romania
Bro Brass Facts did this almost exact same video two years ago... title structure and everything.
Great vid thanks for the Info 🤝🏻
Any time!
Hey awesome video! What do you use as a range finder while at the range?
List of outdoor training ranges in Georgia, please.
Great video! What squeeze bag are you using?
I love this. Great points made.
Great video. Subscribed!
Great points!!
Thanks!
I had a video on my old channel about this topic. And said cqb is a lot more than mag dumping into a taget from 3 feet away, and is realistically as far out as 200 yards. Standing at your front door looking out to your left and right was my reasoning. Cqb and urban ops go hand in hand.
Brass Facts also has a video on this, titled the same thing basically lol, check it out
With a 50yd zero you wouldn’t hold over for a 75yd shot. Technically you’d hold under. With a 50yd zero you will be high after 50yds until the round falls back to 200yds. So if you had that 50yd zero and thought you were shooting 75yds but it was actually 200yds like you mentioned even if you had held over just a little you would have still be on at 200yds you would have just hit exactly where you were aiming actually
I am not negating distance shooting as a necessary skill to obtain. But I am trying to formulate a scenario where engaging in my op at distance is a better choice than escape & evading. If I’m hunkered down & bugging in, taking a distance shot at a potential threat may reveal more information than I wish. How do I PID a threat to my bug in from distance? Am I watching him ransack a neighbor a few houses away? If so why give up my position & status? Am I out on patrol or scavenging? I think I’d rather escape & evade if unseen. Practice the skill set. But probability vs possibility differ.
A lot to think about, but my main focus on this video was training at distance so that you have the skill. Will you ever need it? Who knows. But I’d rather have the skill than to feel hopeless if I ever get stuck in a bad and rare situation. The majority of people that own firearms in America don’t train last 10 yards. We have to remember that we (the ones watching this content, that train, that take classes) are such a small percentage of gun owners. It feels like we are bigger because we all interact with each other online and on social media, but we are not the majority by any means. So I want more people to see this and hopefully start thinking about training a bit further JUST in case haha.
I think because of TH-cam, social media, movies etc people get confused about CQB and what's needed for it. Rangers and Delta have some of the most time with CQB from GWOT and were cleaning rooms with SAWS if need be. Marines cleared thousands of homes in Iraq with M16s. The MK18 was great for the dudes who were in and out of small vehicles, helicopters, needed concealment in civilian attire or something like an embassy. Like you said, if you're a civilian clearing rooms, you're doing it wrong.
50 yard zero gives you center mass hits all the way out to 300, just aim for the abdomen and you’ll hit vital areas of the body.
This is true. But I prefer a 100 yard zero because it’s easier to do holds at distance. Plus my mil reticle is set up for 100 yard zeros
Love this video
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I’m late to the party but it finally dropped 🙌👍!!
Haha yes sir
@@ConcreteCowboyx Concrete Video as always! You planning on making any vids about Armor and or chest rigs? Something practical for us “normies” instead of the cool “commando” stuff we’re used to consuming. Thanks!
@@riff_king1741yep chest rig video is in the list. I still have more testing to do so I’m waiting to make sure I can have a more in depth review
It's hard to train for those distances when most ranges don't exceed 50yds. We need more places to shoot longer distances, or at least a list of existing places that we can shoot long range that don't have fudd rules.
Yeah man. I filmed a short about a year ago with a range finder just showing in a suburban street there were 400-700 yard lines of sight everywhere you looked. All GPR’s should have magnification and dudes should be able to make shots out to 350 at least
The range by me is 25yds. The one by my old house was 15yds. I’ve stretched 22lr to 200yds. 223 and 308 at that range are just more costly holes in paper, yet a fraction of the transportation/babysitter/dogsitter expenses needed to make it happen. What’s a civilian to do?
Ok, I get what your saying but here me out. The farest distance shot that an officer has taken with a rifle that I'm aware of is: 183 yards, with just a red dot. Now that's hardly self defense distance, in fact the officer was taking a shot at an active shooter. Now you could argue that during SHTF you might be engaged at a distance as long as your longest sightline. But that doesn't mean your gonna see them if they're wearing dark clothes and not moving. The better option might be to break contact and get to cover ASAP then sneak away. Remember you win every gunfight your not in, but if you get shot you might die without hospital level medical treatment which I'm guessing won't be functioning during SHTF. Just food for thought.
Good video! You'll have that group of folks who think they're the Kingshit of Fuckhill Mountain of combat and they never help contribute to the civilian gun carrying community! So, look forward to the next one!
Yep, I just want normal people to also understand this stuff. We all have a right to knowledge
There are any distance you can find in the city
0-300 is fine with a red dot if youre purely talking target engagement. ive shot comps where shooters were challenged to take their 556 out to 600 on steel ipscs, and most guys who were stuck with just a red dot or a 3x mag still cleared it.
pid, data, and walking in hits are where that magnification really pulls its weight. if i hadnt been posted up next to them spotting with a nf 2.5-20x, theyd have really struggled to id the right color target, or adjust for their misses.
applying that to your scenario- you should be able to get the hits demonstrated if youve built a good firing position. but do you know who youre shooting at? do they have friends? do you need to take this shot at all? hard to tell with a red dot.
People also have to consider in that unlike the military, we don't have logistic. What you carry is what you have
I like this take a lot
@@ConcreteCowboyx People also have to consider that are your neighor your team or potential threat. It is a lot easier to prep if everyone in the neighborhood work together
Context!
Are you in danger at 100+ yards?
Can you defend deadly force at that distance?
When we get into the grid down conversation the rules will be screwed.
If someone is only 75 yards away, you may only be bringing unnecessary and unwanted attention to yourself taking that shot.
The reverse argument for CQB wannabes can be made here which brings us back to ground 0.
Be verse in all areas of combat as best as you can. Because no one knows what's going to happen and how it'll play out.
Yep, we should all be preparing for many scenarios! And I was more so talking a survival SHTF scenario. Definitely shouldn’t do this in a self defense scenario for the most part.
My eyes and tr24 with 4x magnification can still see a 2" contrasting circle from 100 yards away. I think 4x should be enough for a target as small as 6" target 300 yards away. The human form is larger than 6"
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Great content again. For my combat skill level in an engagement is nil. So 2 rounds max at bad guy ... Move.... create distance. Repeat. This aint no movie. Im out.
Except also, the reality is that most civilian self-defense encounters (over 90%) happen within 7 yards. So CQB is not unrealistic at all. This is EVERYDAY most likely. SHTF is rare and probability is slim to none.
Actual cqb is SOOOO unlikely unless you’re doing raids or are in a trench…
Home defense being the exception I guess
I warm up close range but don’t waste very much ammo on it at the range. When I train rifle it’s 50-200 yards.
Brassfacts did an interesting video on this too
I just checked it out and it seems we had very similar takes. Glad to know I’m not crazy haha
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
that's why you need zero your red dot at 33 yards or 36 meters. best from 0-300 meters. lpvo at 100 meters.
That title is damn close to the Brass Facts one.
I noticed that too. There aren’t many ways to phrase it
What you can see and what you're going to engage in an urban setting are often two completely different things. You also moved the goal post in the beginning by talking about "urban vs CQB," to "survival vs CQB." Which are again, two completely different things. I'm sure there was a point to be made here. But it was muddied beyond making sense of it.
This came across as a video made to prop up a person's bias toward precision long range shooting. Than any sort of helpful information. You could have just made a video about the reasons to train and practice in long range. And it would have actually been useful.
I suggest looking up an FM on MOUT training. Which is urban combat and ask yourself why nearly all of it is CQB and learning to effectively move in an urban environment. As for "survival." If you take that 200+m shot in real survival, you've already lost.
I respect your opinion on the matter. This video was very loosely structured like I mentioned. It was an idea that popped up while training and I wanted to see everyone’s take on the matter. I have zero military experience so I’m really looking for people that know more in the matter to chime in. That’s all! Also thank you for your work on this platform. I’ve been watching your videos for a couple of years now, and you as well as other TH-camrs have pushed me to sharing my experiences on this website as well.
@ConcreteCowboyx I appreciate you following the channel. Since you have been, you know that I'm just a very straight forward, no-nonse person. So my comment wasn't me being an ass. I do however think that your bias toward long range shooting influenced this video without an understanding of what urban combat is. And how outside of counter sniper operations. Long range shooting isn't actually done all that often. Simply because a guy 4 or 6 buildings over, or more than a block, is generally not considered a combatant unless they are actively engaging you. And from a survival aspect. Shooting long range in an urban environment has a plethora of negative effects. Urban engagements are generally "CQB," or at least, within a few houses or so. Again...there's plenty of reasons to be proficient in longer range shooting. But an urban environment is a place where it is least likely applicable.
@@RTTGunsGear I know you’re a straight forward guy, and I honestly respect that more. But I hope you will see my response as being straight forward as well and not as an attack by any means. I never once stated that we should be shooting at long range in this video. You keep saying that but all I said at the very beginning is that “while I was practicing long range, I had a thought”. In the title and throughout the entire video I talked about shooting at distance. Then I mentioned that many gun owners only practice from 25 yards and in. So I gave examples of what distances might look at in an urban environment. Which many exceeded 85 yards. So I then encouraged people to shoot at distances past 25 yards. You say I have a bias towards long range, but respectfully I do not think you have even glanced at my channel to make that claim. I am a 2 gunner. I compete in 2 gun matches twice a week and uspsa and idpa weekly. These matches are 35 yards and in. So my bias if anything would be to shorter engagements. With that being said, I still practice shooting past 50 yards. I shoot 100-200 to work on form and discipline, then I shoot at 800 for marksmanship. I practice distance shooting 1-2 a month, but hundreds of rounds go into 35 yards and shorter a month. Again I am not trying to be disrespectful, but I am a gun enthusiast just like you. I also try to be fair in my arguments. But you are coming from a place of assumptions, as opposed to a place of reasoning on that portion of your argument. I agree with the other points you made though, because again I do not have real world experience.
Some were expecting some kind of civil war, that was never going to happen. With that out here of the way only other situation is some kind civil unrest. In that situation engaging at much more than 50 yards could land you in jail.
So I click a random suggested TH-cam video on a cool topic and see atlas group stickers? Small world.
That’s because you’re thinking about using a rifle and not a pistol. Realistically you’re more likely to use a pistol in a shtf/ defensive/ evasion for multiple reasons. It’s not going to be or will be people walking around with rifles making themselves targets or making causing a scene. Ideally concealment and avoiding nasty situations will be the key to survival. Shooting at distance is great if you have clear identifying targets but in a situation where everyone is plain clothed and trying to survive or find somewhere safe to hide, target acquisition will be extremely difficult.
I can’t predict what may come my way if the country goes into chaos. What you said is valid. But why not be versatile? Athletes lift weights as well as do endurance training. Just so they can be well rounded. I was just pointing that out in the shooting world. Be able to do pistol, and rifle at various distances 💪
@@ConcreteCowboyx I totally get it and you aren’t wrong. But there’s too much lore and fantasy in the gun community. Often we see many videos on content that isn’t applicable to everyday life as an American. While I like the premise and quality of the content. It’s counter intuitive to reference “urban” ie.. city/surburbs and then be in a comfortable environment taking long shots in the rural areas.
Also I’m not being critical just giving a different perspective.
Broooo assfacts used this same video title 😅
Yeah people are telling me this and it is what it is.
theres no way in hell you thought 200 yards was actually 75 yards...and you have to shoot STANDING and UNSUPPORTED at 100 yards or you will never hit the broad side of a barn
99% of the time you will not be laying down on a comfy mat
The iPhone doesn’t do what our eyes can see justice. The road looks a lot closer in person and a few of my friends were guessing the same distance. But that’s why we lasered it to confirm. I never said you had to lay down to shoot. 800 yards (which is what I was shooting in this video) is hard to do unsupported. 100 is doable unsupported, and 200 is doable unsupported but tricky. I definitely enjoy constructive criticism because no one (especially myself) is perfect. But responding with assumptions doesn’t push the conversation in a constructive direction. Thanks for your input though!
If there was a SHTF situation law is most likely to come back after said situation and if you did kill someone long range your gonna be in jail for a long time while that investigation is being made on whether or not that kill was justified just something to think about as well
At least you'll be alive to think about it!
This video was more aimed at a SHTF situation and someone is targeting you for whatever reason. But you’re right on a lot of things you mentioned. Definitely don’t apply this to a self defense scenario.
Well at least one of my rifles has a magnifier...
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Distance is your friend when you have a firearm.
Isn’t that called suburbs which means sub urban or less than urban. New York City is urban.
I think if you have a 50yd zero with 556 and you're holding over for 75 yards you're already lost in the sauce
And ironically with that 50yd zero you're gonna be pretty close at 200yd
Get a range finder ✔️
Yep! Such a useful tool. I use mine a lot more than many think
Training and preparing for urban combat is a giant waste of time and money for regular people.