You forgot to take something into consideration that makes blocking the lightsaber different from dropping the shield into the sun. Heat dissipation. The shield doesn't just absorb the energy, it redirects it it back out. It's why you get a huge explosion when Thor hits it, but Capt is OK under it. That powerful ability to re-emit the energy out is why it's not supposed to be possible to melt the stuff. So the heat energy of the light saber would get radiated back out. The actual end result would depend on how much energy gets dumped how fast into the shield.
@@jcklsldr No im pretty sure he's right. Let's say that Thor's hammer Mjolnir had similar effects as the lightsaber when hitting the shield. Both can reach temperatures of the Sun/Sun's core. Since your point is the lightsaber wouldn't be destroyed because it's blade is able to block other lightsabers, same thing can be said for Mjolnir. In the MCU, Mjolnir is made out of Uru, which is stronger that Vibranium, yet when Mjolnir was struck against the shield, the kinetic energy was still redirected. Therefore when a lightsaber strikes the shield at a force similar to the scene where Mjolnir struck against Cap's shield, the kinetic energy would still be redirected. And lightsabers aren't indestructible. Although the blade has never been showed to be broken, the base has. In Star Wars: Rebels, when Obi Wan Kenobi killed Darth Maul, he did so by slicing through the base/handle of the lightsaber, destroying while also fatally wounding Darth Maul. In theory, if the lightsaber were to hit Cap's shield, and the kinetic energy redirected is powerful enough to destroy or disable the base of the lightsaber, then the lightsaber would be destroyed before it could slice through Cap's shield. So basically the fight is decided upon whether the lightsaber can endure enough kinetic energy redirected towards it when striking the shield.
+Nerdist the thing people always seem to forget is that cap's shield has in fact been destroyed several times so it is not there for indestructible, although I would still be cheering for cap if such a fight actually happened
So Cap can block the lightsaber so long as the lightsaber isn't being held down on the shield for a decent amount of time, essentially? Cool! I have no idea what to do with this information!
+Jetstream Infinity Well yeah, but then it comes down to is The Jedi strong enough to push the shield back and keep it their or can Cap A push them away. Also, is the Jedi fast enough to keep repeating his lightsaber against the shield? So it comes down to if you think Captain America or a specific Jedi is better, and why they would be fighting in the first place.
+Luka Zanetic and in star wars the force awakens, Kylo Ren holds a lightsaber close to Ray's face. If the lightsaber was as hot as he said her face would probably be at least burned from the radiating heat
The captain's shield is made of an alloy of Adamantium and Vibranium + an unknown component, the lightsaber is just plasma in a magnetic field, the sword is not able to harm the shield
I really like this. I find it far more interesting and entertaining that a fight between the two would be a legitimate struggle instead of being boringly one-sided on either end.
Am I the only one who thinks this guy is, not just, entertaining but adorable as well? Something about his enthusiasm just makes me smile. You keep being awesome Kyle Hill!
Technically yes. Cuz the one who is Worthy can lift the hammer. So if Thor is holding the hammer... And hulk picks up Thor... Then the Hulk will be able to pick up both... Now, if Thor lets go of the hammer into Hulk's hand... Then Hulk will be pinned underneath it.
+Goofy GooberInc but in hulk wars doesn't hulk throw the moon at earth, hulks super power is the angrier he gets the stronger he gets and I haven't seen much of the new stuff, but is their any end to that, or is it just limitless.
+George Lionon I like to think that Mjolnir works on an equal to opposite force principle. where if you are not worthy, no matter how much force you apply to lift it, it will exude that much force in the opposite direction. therefore never changing its weight but making it impossible to lift.
+Nerdist there is a lot of scientific stuff to look into in the Ben 10 franchise, could you look into some of it and tell us whether or not stuff in that multi-verse could actually be a reality?
or the vaporized jedi who is holding the lightsaber, 15,000,000 degrees just inches from your hand would melt your hand the instant you pushed the button to activate it.
ikr, Because Science is missing something!! Also, think about the fight in the arena in Clone Wars (SW II), that many jedi brandishing their lightsabers, wouldn't all that combined heat greatly affect the surroundings of Geonosis?!? :D
***** affect it, one light saber would melt an entire planet, think of what it would be like if the sun was only 2 feet away from the surface of our planet.
Oh wow I didn't realize that the magnetic field in the reactor he talks about that actually exist didn't stop the heat from melting our entire planet, who would have known that we are actually all dead...
+Nerdist just letting you know cap now has a shield made of euro, which is what Thor's hammer is made of so... can you do Thor's hammer vs light saber because the outcomes would be the same with both
in the comics thanos destroyed caps shield just by punching/smacking it into pieces. or odins brother serpent ripped it off...with his bare hands. so my question is, how strong are they beeing able to do this? i mean how could thanos do this? i thought the shield absorbs kinetic energy. so why couldn't it absorb the punches from thanos? o.O
David Brown stillt doesn't answer my question about thanos smacking the shield. i mean it repelled thor's hammer with full force and thanos just bitch-slaps the shield into pieces... xD
Phuong Nguyen thanos used the infinity gauntlet which is a glove that has these power gems that can pretty much destroy anything when all together so thanos cannot break his shield with his bare hands he used the infinity gauntlet.
so the power of the gauntlet has weakened the shield, that thanos could smack it with ease... but still... how? did it change the moleculare level of the shield like molecular man or... what? o.O need a proper explaination :D
The infinity gauntlet makes the wielder, for all intents and purposes, an omnipotent god. Thanos could just override the laws of physics that allow Caps shield to work and turn it to dust. Basically, Thanos wanted the shield to break, therefore, it broke. Screw logic or physics.
Here's the part of the discussion that I think you missed. A lightsaber may well be capable of core temperatures ranging from thousands of degrees centigrade to surface-of-the-sun hot. But such actual heat, without mitigation, would evaporate any Jedi or Sith who attempted to use it. This clearly doesn't happen, so we must deduce that the magnetic field that curves the plasma blade in on itself also insulates the outside world from this heat. Call it something like a heat-exchange conduit, that efficiently pipes the excess heat back into the hilt for recycling as plasma fodder, or that converts it back to power. This being said, merely _holding_ a lightsaber against Cappy's shield would achieve next to nothing. It would take a sustained, Force-enhanced pressure (ala Qui Gon Jinn's assault on the door of the Federation bridge) to warm it at all. Secondly, we also know that the heat application of a lightsaber can be modulated, much like a real-life plasma torch, so that it can cut (high-temperature mode) and also weld (mid-temperature mode), as seen in the outtakes from episode III. For this reason, we can assume that using a lightsaber to cut something very resistant takes either sustained Force application, a parametric modulation of the saber's controls, or both. Finally, the Star Wars universe is filled with objects and materials that are "lightsaber-resistant." These are metals, materials, and fields that can take a standard blow from a lightsaber without damage. The EU has many such items, and we've seen a few in the canonical films and cartoons. It is reasonable to assume that the strongest metal on earth (or close to it) should easily keep parity with such non-terrestrial substances, and so would hold up in a standard battle. The "vibration" dissipating properties of vibranium should easily act as a heat sink to most applications of the saber to Cappy's shield. And Caps would be savvy enough to know that the shield is in danger of damage from a sustained attack - likely some 5-10 minutes before the shield even gets hot, I should think - and to keep "modulating" it by moving it, rotating it, shifting it, or whatever else is necessary to maintain its form and temperature and relieve any sustain against it. Therefore, I think a Steve Rogers/Jedi-Sith combat would be, if not evenly matched, at least not a slam dunk against us Earthlings. And just imagine the shock of a Sith getting a Forceball volleyed back to their face by a non-Force adept!! ;^D
So Cap's shield could deflect lightsaber strikes but if the lightsaber was held against the shield for a few seconds then it would start to melt through it. That sounds about right! A fight with both of these weapons would come down to a battle of skill and technique. I really like that idea.
just because the steel isn't melted doesn't mean the steel isn't weakened enough that a sufficient enough weight, such as, say, even 10 floors of a skyscraper has, can cause the steel to collapse so much that it can no longer support the weight above it, and the portion above it falls
hey cgus, try to watch the video again. he clearly stated that the vibrations from thors hammer hits are adsorbed, thats understandable. the hand rockets are not only heat, but vibration as well, as well as not able to be hot enough to do the damage it needs. BUT, he does say a lightsaber, would melt through the shield. he COULD block it for some time, very short be that as it may. but it is not vibration, its heat. and it is so hot it would melt through it.
"You can throw captain America's shield in the sun and it would do nothing!" There I said it... all I need is some crazy comic book writer to think of it and add it in his comic book :P, Because, it's not science, it's pseudo comic book science fiction!
well im probably not the smartest person but this is a fictional universe and they may, just may, have the technology or force power to contain the heat unless it comes into contact with another substance but as i said, im no expert and no one can know for sure
+Billy Batson Plasma in an electromagnetic field. 14k Celsius is much lower than a lightsaber supposedly operates at, otherwise how could it melt the space station door so efficiently in Episode 1? The heat is kept inside by the outer, weakest layer of the EMF produced by the generator (which is why Qui-Gon isn't through the door in nothing flat). So yeah, without that outer layer the moment a lightsaber turned on it would kill everything in the room (or area) just by the amount of heat coming off of it.
I could see the shield blocking strikes, but -- as in the Phantom Menace -- the light saber could burn through it, as was being done to the blast door.
+csys690 Right, no problem. The plasma is held back by the magnetic field. And the handle is cooled or something. If it's possible to get the power to create a plasma saber out of the small handle, why shouldn't it be possible to use that power for cooling, too...?
If the lightsaber was as hot as the "Tokemok" (fuck if i know how to spell it), it would kill the wielder just by being near it from the sheer amount of heat.
+Cortexsaga Not really. The magnetic field keeps the temperatures contained and protects the user. That's why the "Tokemok" doesn't melt the Earth. If we created something that hot without a magnetic field to contain it, we'd destroy the Earth.
So what ur saying is that the temperture is being contained to only within the lightsaber and that there is no radiant heat? Except for of course the blinding light that is the lightsaber itself, which is radiating heat in the form of light tho. Also it wouldn't destroy the earth, it may melt a portion of it, but even then not a large one. once the "tokemok" failed the heat would disperse, yada yada.
+Corey Slade My thought on the subject is that the shield is simply doing what it always does... Absorbing the force of impact and then re-releasing it along the edges of the shield, just like when struck by Thor's hammer. That's why it can only bounce a few times despite being thrown by Captain America's relatively absurd strength, and when struck along the broad sides of the shield it can be easily redirected.
+gianni felicien Magic doesn't harm him he just isn't as resistant towards it as other things. Also it takes Mjolnir level magic to harm Superman, a Lightsaber is like a kids toy compared to that.
He says the shield can't melt in the canon, and then says "but that's not how it works in reality." Yeah, because it's a fictional material. You can't just ignore an official property for being unrealistic. Captain America's shield is nigh indestructible and comes from a universe where magic exists. Light sabers take time to cut through metal doors, and even in the Star Wars universe there are materials impervious to light sabers. The shield wins.
I wouldn't say that magic exists in Captain America's universe. I have never read any comics or anything so I don't have a very good background. But what I have heard is that it isn't magic but just highly advanced. Like Thor's hammer. It isn't magic. It may seem magical to someone who isn't familiar with the technology like fingerprint analysis and a "gravity" enhancing element in the hammer dealing with gravitons and such. At least I hope I was able to regurgitate some of the theories without too much distortion, haha.
+Logan You're right in that the writers for the film went closer to the route of "science" for the mjolnir, however, Doctor (Stephen) Strange, and others like him are a part of the marvel universe (Cap's universe) and he is a straight up magic sorcerer.
+Hasan/Hashimoto/ learn something new every day. Thanks man. I am looking forward to seeing that movie when it comes out. I hope I am not the only one getting excited that marvel and DC seem to be on some sort of exponential chart with movie and TV makers giving these heros more of a front seat in the area of film.
Logan Definitely, Though sometimes I give up on trying to chart it all It's definitely a blast trying to analyze all the stories and characters haah xD
Logan Magic definitely exists in the comics universe. Science is more of a thing in the MCU, but they still have outright magical stuff. Plus, even if you don't count super powers as magic, they definitely have physical laws at work which we don't have here. (The weird things the Scarlet Witch could do, for example.) And then there's Doctor Strange, of course, who is literally a sorcerer.
Just a quick little science lesson for any of you that are interesed: Gallium's melting point is approximately room temperature. Tungsten's melting point is 6000 (Six Thousand) degrees Fahrenheit. Bonus: The melting point of Carbon is *6500* degrees Fahrenheit!
If a lightsaber's blade is so hot, how come a the wielder's hand doesn't melt instantly when they turn it on? You'd think being mere centimeters away from something 10 times as hot as the core of the sun would be hazardous to one's health.
Exactly what Keith said. Every time you see a lightsaber turned on in close proximity to anyone other than a Jedi or Sith people should be either exploding or melting instantly depending on if they're organic or droids.
+mrsiCkstar Also there is the fact that you get sunburned by the sun even though we are as far away as we are from the sun and it travels through the layers of the atmosphere. So really everyone who is close to it should be instantly burned and probably should be blind. But yeah... I mean there is the whole force thing.
1:03 A fair analysis/hypothesis, Kyle. HOWEVER, the Knights of the Old Republic games AND short clips from the Star Wars the Clone Wars TV series would have us believe that that plasma coil is actually generated from an energy crystal that supposedly resonates with a jedi's force power/sensitivity, and thus can vary in its heat from wielder to wielder. This in turn means that someone like Anakin/Vader or Luke Skywalker can possibly penetrate Cap's shield given they use enough of their force power behind the swing of the saber. Their force power combined with their physical strength would vary the amount of force applied to the shield quite a bit depending on the wielder so it is very difficult to tell whether or not the saber would actually make the cut. In this sort of a scenario I would have to say that a lightsaber cutting Cap's shield is very VERY situational even with your given hypothesis that the saber would melt the shield if held against it long enough. Knowing how Cap fights and how someone like Luke would fight, Cap would probably be the winner because Luke, while a great lightsaber duelist and with great reflexes, probably would be outclassed by the returning strength of our favorite American super soldier which brings us to the second part of my thought process on this question. It's not a matter of could the lightsaber beat the shield, it's more a matter of could the Captain beat a Master? Or any jedi for that matter? Again, very sitational because no two jedi are of the same fighting style or force power levels. Those are just my ramblings though. :P If anyone wants to correct me on anything I might've missed, please feel free to call me out on it. We all make mistakes.
Josh Fitton As Obi-Wan, or "Old Ben" if you prefer, states in the first Star Wars movie and Yoda repeats a little later. The Force flows through all living things. This gives me the theory that Han & Finn can't necessarily fully tap into the Force, but when they need it the most, it's there for them. Hence why Han was able to use it for a couple of minutes in Empire Strikes Back and Finn was able to sort of use it for a few minutes in Force Awakens. Technically everyone can use the force and everyone has some form of base level force power and the crystal in the saber will resonate with that power regardless of the wielder having an aura of Dark Side or Light Side in them. It's just a matter of weather or not The Force will decide if someone is worthy of using the saber. It's kinda like Mjolnir, but almost everyone is worthy.
+Timothy Abakani The blades have rounded tops which appear more like Ultrasaber's designs, however it means it is less durable and more display and toy. If you ever want to look into getting one yourself, I recommend Saberforge, you have more options and all sabers are 'dual-ready' and warrantied longer. Just don't ever join their Kickstarters or Indiegogo campaigns.. they suck at making sure they meet their timelines and communicating back to their backers.
I think there was 1 factor that was missed in this argument, which was that in a not to long ago arc, caps shield was broken(Via norse god infused magic) to which Iron Man and the dwarves of Nidavellir repaired it via Uru Infusement(The stuff that thors hammer is made out of) making it the strongest it has ever been before and given that Uru itself is made of a number of special properties(Heck, its gone threw the sun and back no problem) Id think it would well...........make it withstand a far better chance against a lightsaber than people would think(Not trying to discredit anyone, just thought this would be something fun for people to know)
LeoGonX it was destroyed in the past(via reality warping or immense magic based powers both of which are on the boundary of giving science the middle finger) but it would go on to be restored to its natural lv I'd durability but you know, it's now Uru enforced making it the strongest, one of a kind item out there now(hell, even in th 30th century it still remains in tack and is considered a legendary artifact right up there with mjolnir to which major victory uses that as his weapon of choice which holds more than enough against the tech based weaponry of that era)
A jedi would win that fight anyway. He has the force, if cap throws his shield the jedi can catch it. If cap runs at him, the jedi throws him back. If cap has a gun and shoots at him, he either disintegrates the bullet with his light saber or uses the force to deflect it.
+Matthew Siano If Cap got a gun.... A gun from earth and not a plasma gun.... Then the Jedi die at the first shot.... Even if the plasma boil the ammo... The ammo will still move at him and burn him.... Worst then just the normal bullet.
+seb4sti4n666 also plasma shots are deflected with the aid of the force, so the jedi would use the force to deflect it too. So even if it didn't instantly disintegrate, it would be deflected with the force.
+Vegeta He wouldn't but assuming Cap was sitting behind the shield waiting to absorb the shock the pure amount of kinetic energy behind it would exceed the fantastic limits of the shield and Captain would more than likely die.
@Nerdist I think you missed something. At around 2:40 you explain how the shields melting point would actually go down and become a value between steel and vibranium; but in actuality because of vibraniums quality of absorbing heat the amount of energy or heat required would GREATLY increase in turn increasing the melting point. We know that this quality will absorb heat because of what you talked about right after, heat is really just the quality of moving or shaking atoms which is kinetic energy.
But if you where holding such a hot plasma at arms length would you instanly burn to death/ in an atmosphere cause a serious preassure wave when you switch it on, like thunder from a lightning just a lot stronger ? Not the savest weapon to use.
+Noneofyour Business I agree. The problem with analyzing fictional weapons is that the minute you assume something about them, another 10 problems with that assumption crop up. When applying science to fiction, I try not to make too many declarations because there are so many caveats, like the one you noticed. -- KH
+Noneofyour Business Maybe the energy keeping the plasma in the lightsaber traps the heat inside as well, and when you pass through this energy the heat gets to you? Idk, it's a possibility.
+Jonathan Thompson I remember reading/hearing somewhere that the bouncing of his shield is manipulated through magnets or some other stuff. Meaning, while it should absorb the force and drop after hitting a wall, the magnet should pull it back to him. Also something about how it helps direct it's bouncing around. But honestly, that's just silly. I just say it's magical like Thor's hammer.
It would have a melting point but you ignored the fact that it absorbs and REDIRECTS kinetic energy so it probably wouldn’t melt that easily and it would push off the wall
Cap's shield also lets off energy when it absorbs it, like when Thor hits Cap's shield in the first Avengers film, so due to the high temp of the plasma blade, it would be letting off the thermal energy about as fast as it absorbs it, it could even act almost like a heat mirror, sending the heat right back at the wielder of the light saber.
OK, that sounds possible, but then why there's no noticeable interaction of the magnetic field with the environment? And how would the lightsaber could even touch a metallic shield (which has been shown affected by magnetism)? It either would attract it or repel it. If it attracts things then things around it should be attracted, if it repels things then it couldn't touch the shield or great strength would be needed.
+Benjamin Tuesday but you cannot contain the heat generated by the plasma, nor can you contain the em waves such as x rays or gamma rays that would be emtting from the lightsaber plasma. the radiation will kill anyone who is standing in the room with the lightsaber in minutes, if they dont die from the heat first in a matter of seconds.
So the thing about the properties of the shield that make it nigh indestructible is that not only does the vibebranium absorb kinetic (and other forms) of energy but because of it's unique structure it actually quantum tunnnels that energy back into reinforcing the bonds of the overall structure. The more it absorbs the stronger it gets. The only way to break it is at the quantum level as we have seen happen several times.
Odin and Frigga had twins, in Thor and Roht, but fearing that one would become a greedy, vain, cruel boy of a man, they sent one to Midgard to live unknowing of the truth of his existence, and cursed to conveniently forget that he has lived several hundred years by this point.
So you're saying if we're using real life logic, you think it's far fetched for the vibranium not being able to melt again after turning solid, but someone could hold something 10 times hotter than the suns core and not die? Hmmmm
Clayton Richardson LOL 😂 Exactly. In order to make this explanation work, he essentially changes the stated properties of Cap’s shield, in effect “nerfing” it while simultaneously buffing the observed properties/effects of lightsabers. It’s all make-believe. This attempt at applying real-world physics to objects that basically defies real-world physics is cute and all, but it’s pointless.
We have to use observable evidence here. From what we can observe, whatever magnetic field that sustains the lightsaber keeps heat from escaping beyond the surface of the 'blade.' We can also say, without a doubt, that Vibranium has a melting point listed in the comics that is well below the amount generated by any plasma arc. Adamantium's melting point is far lower than Vibranium's.
I believe your estimates of the Light Saber's temperature are FAR too high. Evidence being that the atmosphere, and the surrounding city isn't instantaneously vaporized the second a light saber is switched on.
+Roadie Dave not true, for example, a light is contained 8n a bulb yet you can see it. The magnetic field itself is pretty much 'invisible' but that doesn't render the blade from the kyber krystal invisible too.
If the shield absorbs kinetic energy, wouldn't anything that touches it instantly cool to absolute 0, due to all the energy from its molecules being absorbed? Food for thought
It seems like "absorbing kinetic energy" would be converting normal kinetic into heat. Unless that thing destroys energy, it has to direct the energy somewhere. Into what form is the energy directed, if not kinetic? Chemical? Light?
@@alexanderkilburg7415 according to the rise of the black panther vol 1 1, the energy absorbed by the Vibranium gets into the subatomic bonds of the metal itself. "The energy is still there it's doing something else" to quote the comic!
The way I see it with the little easter egg at the end. Captain America's shield absorbs along the flat side, and disperses along the rim, which is why when it hits a wall, it gets a larger ricochet than you'd expect from it, but if you hit flat end it creates a dispersal effect (ala Thor hitting the shield). What doesn't work, perhaps, is when they fire Iron Man's blasts at the shield and it reflects it off - though you could say, perhaps, that a high concentration of force gets reflected, maybe.
I would really like to know why the Jedi doesn't burn up every time they turn on their saber. A light saber made of plasma would get so hot, that even turning one on, should kill the person trying to use it. Even if the saber has some special heat protection, that only allows what they hit to get hot, the item they are heating up would burn so hot, that it could still be a danger to the user. How can anyone use a sword that is so hot that it can cut through anything, and not burn to death?
+Max Powers A heat sink. Anything less that direct contact and the blade may as well not exist in terms of temp. This is why everything doesn't burst into flame around an active blade yet people get intently culturalized cuts and metal blast doors turn moltan the the point of contact. The logic is sound, it's the heat sink that's confusing.
That is my point though. Such a heat sink shouldn't be possible. When they talk about how to make a light saber in real life, they always neglect to talk about that part of the light saber.
Max Powers Indeed but do keep in mind we're dealing with a galaxy spanning civilization that barely advances in 3,000 years not due to stagnation but because their stuff is so advanced it's hard to come up with anything better. I'd be more than willing to buy that the Force 'eats' the heat (Force insensitives don't use plasma based swords after all) but they've never even tried to explain that point. So ya, the heat sink is a mystery but the lightsaber works otherwise.
+David Kelly If force insensitive people couldn't use it, how do you explain General Grevious? The explained reason, according to Google, for why normal people don't use it is that they simply don't have the force-enhanced reactions to be able to block blaster bolts or to be able to do anything that useful with them.
The star wars universe actually has at least a couple of metals that can block lightsabers, cortosis is and beskar/mandalorian iron. I believe this indicates lightsabers don't run at 150000000c so i think adamantium or vibranium could easily block a lightsaber.
kyle, thank you very much for being the guru in answering all those nerdy questions about my favourite sci-fi movies/shows, keep those videos going. p.s maybe you can do a video on how can someone become a reaver from firefly.....because science
I realize that this is food that I'm referencing and not a metal aloy, but gelatin is an example if something that has an higher melting point after its original manufacturing process than the original components. culinary speaking at least.
Peter Vreča because it can't be destroyed without using a magic stone that gives someone control over an aspect of reality, that's pretty indestructible to me.
THESTFUPRODUCTION its still destructable its like saying that you cant get drunk and then a magician makes you drunk you can get drunk but not normally so caps shield is destructable
The underlying point is that vs. non-omnipotent god-force, Cap's shield is indestructible. (In the old Marvel Writer's Bible, Cap's shield was literally listed as being indestructible vs. any force which isn't defined as omnipotent, or against a power which effectively removes the shield from effective "existence" via temporal manipulation -- which doesn't destroy the shield, as such, but rather shunts it into a temporal zone where it doesn't exist relative to the narratives at hand.) So... yeah -- that's indestructible, sans writer/god fiat. (Otherwise, it just gets into a discussion of "can god make a rock that god can't lift"-sort of thing... "Indestructible" *is* the appropriate descriptor for Cap's shield in all relative contexts....)
I think you all have to examine the feats we can check. Cap's shield had repeatedly withstood hits from the Human Torch's "Nova Flame" The exact upper temperature isn't known, but in theory it can match an actual nova, which can reach 20 million kelvin, or about 36 million farenheit. The energy-absorbing properties allowed Cap to be unharmed on the other side, for whatever reason, and apparently the shield wasn't even hot to hold. Based on that, I don't think even the highest estimate of a lightsaber's temperature can even come close to this temperature. And since this temperature was ineffective at hurting the shield, I don;t think any lightsaber can cut through it. As for "ligbtsabers can only be blocked by certain materials"-- not true. We see lots of material resist lightsabers in the canon sources, the question is merely how long it takes to overcome it. In TPM, Qui Gon is slowly cutting through a blast door, and he would eventually have succeeded; however, the door still stops him until reinforcements arrive. So, some material will hold off a lightsaber indefinitely. Of course, the more interesting question is the Death Battle. Who would win, Cap or a Jedi? Or better yet, Cap vs Darth Maul?
The lightsabers are NOWHERE near that hot. How could Jedi even use them if they were? If they were, their weilders would practically be bursting into flame every time it was turned on. If you hand is a few inches away from something that's 15M dgrees C, its pretty much going to melt off. At best the light sabers are probably maybe thousand degrees C or so
This is the real-life equivalent of a lightsaber, not the kind used in Star Wars. In order to make a lightsaber in real life it would have to be extremely hot to actually function and in the Star Wars universe the Jedi could be trained to use the force to dissipate the heat generated by the saber to a certain degree.
***** This has been discused to dead, that's why I linked a wikipedia article about it. The fundamental force of the lightsaber is heat (most likely plasma) contained in a force field, that's how you limit the distance the heat escapes. There are ways to replicate to some degree a lightsaber as shown in the video, but we have yet to find a way to create (in paper) a forcefield with the capabilities of one used in a lightsaber.
I'm by no means a chemistry expert, but I have a question when you talk about the shield melting at the temperature it was forged. I think there may be something to this. I realize that this may be a stretch, but a liquid egg can no longer become a liquid once it's cooked due to what I understand is an irreversible thermal reaction. I realize that certain chemicals could potentially return the gelatin of a cooked or boiled egg to a liquid, but that's not the question posed. Could there be something in this third "mysterious substance" that would have a similar chemical effect making the shield impervious to at least the temperature it was forged at?
From the OHOTMU entry for Firelord: By the slightest manifestation of his stellar powers, he can burn through any Earthly substance (with the exception of Adamantium). Firelord can reach the temperature of a star, which is very much higher than that of the Torch and so at maximum output he might be able to burn through. Also 2:23 "The extremely stable molecular structure of the Adamantium prevents it from being molded further, even if the temperature remains high enough to keep it in liquefied form. Only a device celled a Molecular Rearranger can alter the form of hardened Adamantium." So it would melt but it wouldn't change shape.
So this is why Thor isn't in the Civil War... He quit his job to become a science explainer.
Matthew_ Skywalker101 Cameraman. haha
The one that used the lightsaber to hit the shield
sounds about right
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Thomas Doneman
it is cool to see Thor talk about captain America's shield
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+Harrison Gutierrez Thor before the push ups.
LOL I LITERALLY JUST COMMENTED THIS LMAO.
Is he Thor ????
You forgot to take something into consideration that makes blocking the lightsaber different from dropping the shield into the sun. Heat dissipation. The shield doesn't just absorb the energy, it redirects it it back out. It's why you get a huge explosion when Thor hits it, but Capt is OK under it. That powerful ability to re-emit the energy out is why it's not supposed to be possible to melt the stuff.
So the heat energy of the light saber would get radiated back out. The actual end result would depend on how much energy gets dumped how fast into the shield.
idk why no one has liked your comment wtf
and both the attacker and defender spontaneously combust.
It technically would be both, considering it's reactive function against energy and vibration
@Mr. Whiskers No, the blades can block other blades, so the heat redirected back at it wouldn't melt it
@@jcklsldr No im pretty sure he's right. Let's say that Thor's hammer Mjolnir had similar effects as the lightsaber when hitting the shield. Both can reach temperatures of the Sun/Sun's core. Since your point is the lightsaber wouldn't be destroyed because it's blade is able to block other lightsabers, same thing can be said for Mjolnir. In the MCU, Mjolnir is made out of Uru, which is stronger that Vibranium, yet when Mjolnir was struck against the shield, the kinetic energy was still redirected. Therefore when a lightsaber strikes the shield at a force similar to the scene where Mjolnir struck against Cap's shield, the kinetic energy would still be redirected. And lightsabers aren't indestructible. Although the blade has never been showed to be broken, the base has. In Star Wars: Rebels, when Obi Wan Kenobi killed Darth Maul, he did so by slicing through the base/handle of the lightsaber, destroying while also fatally wounding Darth Maul. In theory, if the lightsaber were to hit Cap's shield, and the kinetic energy redirected is powerful enough to destroy or disable the base of the lightsaber, then the lightsaber would be destroyed before it could slice through Cap's shield. So basically the fight is decided upon whether the lightsaber can endure enough kinetic energy redirected towards it when striking the shield.
thanks for the lesson science Thor
science lesson*
Vizthex
thanks for the grammar lesson VelKoz
*****
Wow...bitter much?
+Vizthex What?
*****
Nevermind
There's an ingredient missing. Cap's Shield cannot be destroyed because FREEDOM
Pure Concentrated amounts of FREEDOM.
+HeyTherePeoplez 'Murica!!!
+HeyTherePeoplez The lightsword will make Freedom and unfree-dom equal... balanced out so to speak ;) hehe
+Nico Vijlbrief (CodeAsm) lel
So we need Emperor Palpatine to destroy it.
Science Thor: Captain America’s shield is indestructible!
Thanos’ fist: Hold my gauntl- Wait no give that back
Underrated Af
He looks like a budget Thor
U soooooooooooo right
Nah, he's Nerd Thor!
lol u win the internet.
so how does the paint on cap shield not burn off
King Kunta maybe vibranium-based binder and pigments
Maybe it's not paint, but some sort of anodization, or even microtexturing?
King Kunta plot?
the paint burns some times -_- its just a valuable paint but can flamable.
King Kunta industrial paint?
Plot twist: Capt's shield was forged with a lightsaber.
+jzblue9 lol
+jzblue9 I dont see how is that going to work, how is better from its normal way for forgeing it. ohh my brain.
+Aphichat Sabai Both owned by Disney
+jzblue9 nah man. it's made out of Nokia 3310
+The Falkonett made of out Nokia 3310 that was forged with a lightsaber ^_^
If you want more Civil War science let me know -- the film is fantastic; you're going to love it. -- KH
:D
+Nerdist TEAM CAP YOU COMMIE!!!
+Nerdist MORE CIVIL WAR!
+Nerdist the thing people always seem to forget is that cap's shield has in fact been destroyed several times so it is not there for indestructible, although I would still be cheering for cap if such a fight actually happened
#teamcap ftw
So Cap can block the lightsaber so long as the lightsaber isn't being held down on the shield for a decent amount of time, essentially?
Cool!
I have no idea what to do with this information!
+Jetstream Infinity
Fanfiction?
+Jetstream Infinity except that way before it starts melting it probably gets hot as fuck
+Jetstream Infinity Well yeah, but then it comes down to is The Jedi strong enough to push the shield back and keep it their or can Cap A push them away. Also, is the Jedi fast enough to keep repeating his lightsaber against the shield? So it comes down to if you think Captain America or a specific Jedi is better, and why they would be fighting in the first place.
+Delta X Sort of. The Shield would dissipate the heat very quickly, but its impossible to really measure how fast.
+Luka Zanetic and in star wars the force awakens, Kylo Ren holds a lightsaber close to Ray's face. If the lightsaber was as hot as he said her face would probably be at least burned from the radiating heat
The real question is how much fun could you have if you were using both at the same time
It's like the blast doors in star wars, it blocked the lightsaber, but with enough time and force it was able to burn thru.
Lyro92 so your saying blast doors are on the same level as caps shield...
yea, its designed to be indestructible to blasters. So the effect would be somewhat similar
The captain's shield is made of an alloy of Adamantium and Vibranium + an unknown component, the lightsaber is just plasma in a magnetic field, the sword is not able to harm the shield
@@mazash2066No I looked it up, Proto Adamantium is made out of Steel, Vibranium, and a unknown ingredient.
For next video can you do
Does batman have throat cancer
*do
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+Wojtuma *melon
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Gromus Odus
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Thor talking about a lightsaber destroying his friends shield...
+Glenn Hartman
*lightsaber
+TimiderAtom yes that. Fuckin auto-correct.
+Glenn Hartman ikr
You eat a lifesaver. You kill with a lightsaber
A lifesaver? Like as in the candy?
I really like this. I find it far more interesting and entertaining that a fight between the two would be a legitimate struggle instead of being boringly one-sided on either end.
Thanks for doing this in Celsius and not Fahrenheit.....
+Ronnoc's Stop Motion Studio Should of done it in Kelvin, cause SCIENCE.
+Roo
Kelvin and Celsius isn't such a difference. (Not as much as Fahrenheit)
+Ronnoc's Stop Motion Studio
I think every serious scienes guy uses Celsius/Kelvin :D
+Ronnoc's Stop Motion Studio I know, its really refreshing to see someone use a proper temperature scale
ALL HAIL THE METRIC SYSTEM!
*sees video in recommended*
ok, why is thor holding Kylo's lightsaber and captain america's shield?
Am I the only one who thinks this guy is, not just, entertaining but adorable as well? Something about his enthusiasm just makes me smile. You keep being awesome Kyle Hill!
"go ahead and say you can throw caps shield into the sun, and it wouldnt melt. do it. DOOO IIIT. NERD."
😂 lmao
I Agree with Nerd Thor!
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nerd thor is my favorite thor
Great. Now explain how the hell are these people swinging around sticks hotter than the sun.
+HotSkull without melting themselves and everything around them
Who else keeps wanting to unsubscribe from this channel exept for when "Because Science" comes out.
It's the only thing i watch on this channel
I didn't even know this channel did other shit hahaha
+jack lynch its like finding out a strip club has a day care
+annyske007 Dan Cave is amazing.
I only watch it for nerdist news with Jessica chobot this is one of the only times ive watched a video that wasn't chobot
I love everything they do and every person that does the things that I love them doing everything together that I love.
ooooor you could Force pull the shield and hit Rogers's face with it
Haha that's Cinda funny
Star Wars presents a world where Jango Fett can make Obi Wan look like an idiot. Fett is no match for El Capitan.
TheGuillejedi :> Yup. Dark side ftw >:)
+TheGuillejedi This is most logical comment i have ever heard of
SSVjoker go force!
Can The Hulk lift Thor while Thor is holding the hammer?
Technically yes. Cuz the one who is Worthy can lift the hammer. So if Thor is holding the hammer... And hulk picks up Thor... Then the Hulk will be able to pick up both... Now, if Thor lets go of the hammer into Hulk's hand... Then Hulk will be pinned underneath it.
Ja, makes sense.
+Goofy GooberInc but in hulk wars doesn't hulk throw the moon at earth, hulks super power is the angrier he gets the stronger he gets and I haven't seen much of the new stuff, but is their any end to that, or is it just limitless.
+George Lionon I like to think that Mjolnir works on an equal to opposite force principle. where if you are not worthy, no matter how much force you apply to lift it, it will exude that much force in the opposite direction. therefore never changing its weight but making it impossible to lift.
+NobleKos oh I like your answer.
The plural for Jedi is Jedi. Not Jedis.
+ZebulonFoof Jedises? Octojedi? -- KH
+Nerdist there is a lot of scientific stuff to look into in the Ben 10 franchise, could you look into some of it and tell us whether or not stuff in that multi-verse could actually be a reality?
+ZebulonFoof I believe the plural for Jedi is Judoon.
+Gromus Odus as in giant rhinoceros cop aliens?
Yes. That's exactly what a Jedi is.
So 15,000,000 degree's C doesn't instantly destroy the shield, pity you can't say the same about the now vapourized Steve Rogers!!! Captain Nowhere!!
or the vaporized jedi who is holding the lightsaber, 15,000,000 degrees just inches from your hand would melt your hand the instant you pushed the button to activate it.
ikr, Because Science is missing something!!
Also, think about the fight in the arena in Clone Wars (SW II), that many jedi brandishing their lightsabers, wouldn't all that combined heat greatly affect the surroundings of Geonosis?!? :D
***** affect it, one light saber would melt an entire planet, think of what it would be like if the sun was only 2 feet away from the surface of our planet.
Of course!! That's a derp on my part! They've got the heat, if there was enough mass they'd make a Hyper-Giant Star! :D
Oh wow I didn't realize that the magnetic field in the reactor he talks about that actually exist didn't stop the heat from melting our entire planet, who would have known that we are actually all dead...
Just found this channel this morning.. Lovin' it! Very entertaining. Keep up the good work, y'all!
Found this channel yesterday. Immediatelly fell in love with it and subscribed.
And already new video? Thanks! :D
+Joni Tarvainen Thank YOU for watching! -- KH
+Nerdist just letting you know cap now has a shield made of euro, which is what Thor's hammer is made of so... can you do Thor's hammer vs light saber because the outcomes would be the same with both
This is why Thor isn't in Civil War, he was discussing whether or not lightsabers could cut through Cpt. America's shield
in the comics thanos destroyed caps shield just by punching/smacking it into pieces.
or odins brother serpent ripped it off...with his bare hands.
so my question is, how strong are they beeing able to do this?
i mean how could thanos do this? i thought the shield absorbs kinetic energy. so why couldn't it absorb the punches from thanos? o.O
Thanos survived inside a Black hole AFTER a sustained beating. Serpent is supposed to be Odin's better and Odin has destroyed galaxies in battle.
David Brown stillt doesn't answer my question about thanos smacking the shield.
i mean it repelled thor's hammer with full force and thanos just bitch-slaps the shield into pieces... xD
Phuong Nguyen thanos used the infinity gauntlet which is a glove that has these power gems that can pretty much destroy anything when all together so thanos cannot break his shield with his bare hands he used the infinity gauntlet.
so the power of the gauntlet has weakened the shield, that thanos could smack it with ease... but still... how? did it change the moleculare level of the shield like molecular man or... what? o.O
need a proper explaination :D
The infinity gauntlet makes the wielder, for all intents and purposes, an omnipotent god.
Thanos could just override the laws of physics that allow Caps shield to work and turn it to dust.
Basically, Thanos wanted the shield to break, therefore, it broke. Screw logic or physics.
Best part:
"Do it, neeeeerd"
Here's the part of the discussion that I think you missed. A lightsaber may well be capable of core temperatures ranging from thousands of degrees centigrade to surface-of-the-sun hot. But such actual heat, without mitigation, would evaporate any Jedi or Sith who attempted to use it. This clearly doesn't happen, so we must deduce that the magnetic field that curves the plasma blade in on itself also insulates the outside world from this heat. Call it something like a heat-exchange conduit, that efficiently pipes the excess heat back into the hilt for recycling as plasma fodder, or that converts it back to power.
This being said, merely _holding_ a lightsaber against Cappy's shield would achieve next to nothing. It would take a sustained, Force-enhanced pressure (ala Qui Gon Jinn's assault on the door of the Federation bridge) to warm it at all.
Secondly, we also know that the heat application of a lightsaber can be modulated, much like a real-life plasma torch, so that it can cut (high-temperature mode) and also weld (mid-temperature mode), as seen in the outtakes from episode III. For this reason, we can assume that using a lightsaber to cut something very resistant takes either sustained Force application, a parametric modulation of the saber's controls, or both.
Finally, the Star Wars universe is filled with objects and materials that are "lightsaber-resistant." These are metals, materials, and fields that can take a standard blow from a lightsaber without damage. The EU has many such items, and we've seen a few in the canonical films and cartoons. It is reasonable to assume that the strongest metal on earth (or close to it) should easily keep parity with such non-terrestrial substances, and so would hold up in a standard battle.
The "vibration" dissipating properties of vibranium should easily act as a heat sink to most applications of the saber to Cappy's shield. And Caps would be savvy enough to know that the shield is in danger of damage from a sustained attack - likely some 5-10 minutes before the shield even gets hot, I should think - and to keep "modulating" it by moving it, rotating it, shifting it, or whatever else is necessary to maintain its form and temperature and relieve any sustain against it. Therefore, I think a Steve Rogers/Jedi-Sith combat would be, if not evenly matched, at least not a slam dunk against us Earthlings.
And just imagine the shock of a Sith getting a Forceball volleyed back to their face by a non-Force adept!! ;^D
+Grymmorgan why put so much thought into bs?
Stoned Reality Um…because…science? ;^)
+Grymmorgan boy, you must be fun at parties
tjplitfc "Puh…" Um…"parties?" What's _that_ do?!? o.O
+Grymmorgan xD omg haha nice response lol
So Cap's shield could deflect lightsaber strikes but if the lightsaber was held against the shield for a few seconds then it would start to melt through it. That sounds about right! A fight with both of these weapons would come down to a battle of skill and technique. I really like that idea.
+Uilliam Coorinna but he needs to understand how to fight it
Yeah ok but
how well would the steel do against jet fuel? specifically in beam form?
But can they melt dank memes?
just because the steel isn't melted doesn't mean the steel isn't weakened enough that a sufficient enough weight, such as, say, even 10 floors of a skyscraper has, can cause the steel to collapse so much that it can no longer support the weight above it, and the portion above it falls
Jet fuel cant melt Captain America's shield.
Hes blocked ironmans hand rockets...
Hes blocked a blow from thors hammer.
A lightsaber in the marvel universe wouldent do much to the shield.
hey cgus, try to watch the video again. he clearly stated that the vibrations from thors hammer hits are adsorbed, thats understandable. the hand rockets are not only heat, but vibration as well, as well as not able to be hot enough to do the damage it needs. BUT, he does say a lightsaber, would melt through the shield. he COULD block it for some time, very short be that as it may. but it is not vibration, its heat. and it is so hot it would melt through it.
The paint on Cap's shield comes of regularly, it is resurfaced and repainted by S.H.I.E.L.D.'s engineers.
"You can throw captain America's shield in the sun and it would do nothing!" There I said it... all I need is some crazy comic book writer to think of it and add it in his comic book :P, Because, it's not science, it's pseudo comic book science fiction!
It's funny because this video is explained by Thor... LOL 😂 😂 😂
Technically Thor should have red hair, but superheroes couldn't be redheads (or have beards) back in 1962.
It's about as funny as all the billions of Thor comments. YAWN.
Why? Viking hair ranged from blonde to black. Red hair comes from Ireland.
+James jaremko Because in Norse mythology, is it clearly stated Thor has red hair.
Marvel made him blonde, to fit the "Scandinavian stereotype."
Blond hair made him seem more like a Viking than giving him black hair. Red hair would not be allowed until Daredevil in 1964.
So you are telling us that in the Star Wars universe, people walk around with 14,000°C heaters? Nope, can't be that hot.
well im probably not the smartest person but this is a fictional universe and they may, just may, have the technology or force power to contain the heat unless it comes into contact with another substance but as i said, im no expert and no one can know for sure
+Billy Batson Plasma in an electromagnetic field. 14k Celsius is much lower than a lightsaber supposedly operates at, otherwise how could it melt the space station door so efficiently in Episode 1? The heat is kept inside by the outer, weakest layer of the EMF produced by the generator (which is why Qui-Gon isn't through the door in nothing flat). So yeah, without that outer layer the moment a lightsaber turned on it would kill everything in the room (or area) just by the amount of heat coming off of it.
I could see the shield blocking strikes, but -- as in the Phantom Menace -- the light saber could burn through it, as was being done to the blast door.
Yeah man, I'd hold a 150,000,000ºC sword in my hand. No prob.
+csys690 Thanks, you saved me a reply.
+csys690 hahaha this^
a sword that hot would destroy me, my enemy, and the surface of my planet
not just the surface. It would boil the entire planet.
+csys690 Right, no problem. The plasma is held back by the magnetic field. And the handle is cooled or something. If it's possible to get the power to create a plasma saber out of the small handle, why shouldn't it be possible to use that power for cooling, too...?
Gherkay
A magnetic field can hold back radiant heat energy? C'mon, man, we're talking about science fiction energy swords here - be serious!
If the lightsaber was as hot as the "Tokemok" (fuck if i know how to spell it), it would kill the wielder just by being near it from the sheer amount of heat.
+Cortexsaga Not really. The magnetic field keeps the temperatures contained and protects the user. That's why the "Tokemok" doesn't melt the Earth. If we created something that hot without a magnetic field to contain it, we'd destroy the Earth.
+Paul Burt so your saying kylo ren's saber is a well-formed magnetic field 0-0 with those flickers and stuff
narutodies2 If it wasn't, it wouldn't even be a saber. And Rey's has the same look; it's just Abrams' style.
So what ur saying is that the temperture is being contained to only within the lightsaber and that there is no radiant heat? Except for of course the blinding light that is the lightsaber itself, which is radiating heat in the form of light tho. Also it wouldn't destroy the earth, it may melt a portion of it, but even then not a large one. once the "tokemok" failed the heat would disperse, yada yada.
False, it's just the void.
Thank you for the last part! That has always driven me crazy
+Corey Slade Thanks for watching Corey!
+Corey Slade My thought on the subject is that the shield is simply doing what it always does... Absorbing the force of impact and then re-releasing it along the edges of the shield, just like when struck by Thor's hammer. That's why it can only bounce a few times despite being thrown by Captain America's relatively absurd strength, and when struck along the broad sides of the shield it can be easily redirected.
Plot Twitst: Cap Shield has infused Manadalorian Iron
Mandalorian*
+jason222shark lmao i didnt know i mistype
Well technically with the uru upgrade it could be seen as this
*Midoclorian
@Not Asmo... **Midichlorian*
The more educated question can a light saber cut superman
+Hussain Khuraibet haha
+Hussain Khuraibet well my guess yes ,if lightning and magic , including kryptonite can hurt him then yes
ooo nice but would the force work on supes cause he pretty damn strong
Yes.
+gianni felicien Magic doesn't harm him he just isn't as resistant towards it as other things. Also it takes Mjolnir level magic to harm Superman, a Lightsaber is like a kids toy compared to that.
He says the shield can't melt in the canon, and then says "but that's not how it works in reality." Yeah, because it's a fictional material. You can't just ignore an official property for being unrealistic. Captain America's shield is nigh indestructible and comes from a universe where magic exists. Light sabers take time to cut through metal doors, and even in the Star Wars universe there are materials impervious to light sabers. The shield wins.
I wouldn't say that magic exists in Captain America's universe. I have never read any comics or anything so I don't have a very good background. But what I have heard is that it isn't magic but just highly advanced. Like Thor's hammer. It isn't magic. It may seem magical to someone who isn't familiar with the technology like fingerprint analysis and a "gravity" enhancing element in the hammer dealing with gravitons and such. At least I hope I was able to regurgitate some of the theories without too much distortion, haha.
+Logan You're right in that the writers for the film went closer to the route of "science" for the mjolnir, however, Doctor (Stephen) Strange, and others like him are a part of the marvel universe (Cap's universe) and he is a straight up magic sorcerer.
+Hasan/Hashimoto/ learn something new every day. Thanks man. I am looking forward to seeing that movie when it comes out. I hope I am not the only one getting excited that marvel and DC seem to be on some sort of exponential chart with movie and TV makers giving these heros more of a front seat in the area of film.
Logan
Definitely, Though sometimes I give up on trying to chart it all It's definitely a blast trying to analyze all the stories and characters haah xD
Logan Magic definitely exists in the comics universe. Science is more of a thing in the MCU, but they still have outright magical stuff. Plus, even if you don't count super powers as magic, they definitely have physical laws at work which we don't have here. (The weird things the Scarlet Witch could do, for example.)
And then there's Doctor Strange, of course, who is literally a sorcerer.
So of the plasma in a lightsaper is hoter than the sun how are all the Jedi not getting a sun tan?
hahahahah yeah
+Lord_leprechaun My guess is that the plasma's heat is somehow contained by the field that holds it.
I thought about that but then how does the heat melt anything?
Lord_leprechaun By moving the lightsaber onto people so they're exposed to the heat?
+Get Rekt Scrub That's something we can't answer....yet.
Just a quick little science lesson for any of you that are interesed:
Gallium's melting point is approximately room temperature.
Tungsten's melting point is 6000 (Six Thousand) degrees Fahrenheit.
Bonus: The melting point of Carbon is *6500* degrees Fahrenheit!
If a lightsaber's blade is so hot, how come a the wielder's hand doesn't melt instantly when they turn it on? You'd think being mere centimeters away from something 10 times as hot as the core of the sun would be hazardous to one's health.
The force
The Force and Midichlorians literally have no merit since non-force-sensitives have wielded lightsabers (General Grievous, Finn, etc) in the past.
Exactly what Keith said. Every time you see a lightsaber turned on in close proximity to anyone other than a Jedi or Sith people should be either exploding or melting instantly depending on if they're organic or droids.
+mrsiCkstar good point. Well I suppose it's a technology built into the light saber
+mrsiCkstar Also there is the fact that you get sunburned by the sun even though we are as far away as we are from the sun and it travels through the layers of the atmosphere. So really everyone who is close to it should be instantly burned and probably should be blind. But yeah... I mean there is the whole force thing.
Even if the shield was indestructible, you could use the force to remove it from him.
so true
+Isaac W You could also ask him nicely for the shield, but these scenarios are not in question here
Its not cap vs a jedi its Shield vs saber
+Isaac W Uhm, you'd just end up pulling captain america right to you... He'd falcon punch your ass. :V
+Isaac W completely beside the point. The question involves only the two items and has nothing to do with who wields them.
1:03 A fair analysis/hypothesis, Kyle. HOWEVER, the Knights of the Old Republic games AND short clips from the Star Wars the Clone Wars TV series would have us believe that that plasma coil is actually generated from an energy crystal that supposedly resonates with a jedi's force power/sensitivity, and thus can vary in its heat from wielder to wielder. This in turn means that someone like Anakin/Vader or Luke Skywalker can possibly penetrate Cap's shield given they use enough of their force power behind the swing of the saber. Their force power combined with their physical strength would vary the amount of force applied to the shield quite a bit depending on the wielder so it is very difficult to tell whether or not the saber would actually make the cut. In this sort of a scenario I would have to say that a lightsaber cutting Cap's shield is very VERY situational even with your given hypothesis that the saber would melt the shield if held against it long enough. Knowing how Cap fights and how someone like Luke would fight, Cap would probably be the winner because Luke, while a great lightsaber duelist and with great reflexes, probably would be outclassed by the returning strength of our favorite American super soldier which brings us to the second part of my thought process on this question. It's not a matter of could the lightsaber beat the shield, it's more a matter of could the Captain beat a Master? Or any jedi for that matter? Again, very sitational because no two jedi are of the same fighting style or force power levels.
Those are just my ramblings though. :P If anyone wants to correct me on anything I might've missed, please feel free to call me out on it. We all make mistakes.
how do han solo and finn use a lightsabre then?
Josh Fitton As Obi-Wan, or "Old Ben" if you prefer, states in the first Star Wars movie and Yoda repeats a little later. The Force flows through all living things. This gives me the theory that Han & Finn can't necessarily fully tap into the Force, but when they need it the most, it's there for them. Hence why Han was able to use it for a couple of minutes in Empire Strikes Back and Finn was able to sort of use it for a few minutes in Force Awakens. Technically everyone can use the force and everyone has some form of base level force power and the crystal in the saber will resonate with that power regardless of the wielder having an aura of Dark Side or Light Side in them. It's just a matter of weather or not The Force will decide if someone is worthy of using the saber. It's kinda like Mjolnir, but almost everyone is worthy.
thanks for clearing that up :)
Josh Fitton No problem, mate. : ^)
Well said
I love when your Ultrasaber makes a surprise visit.
Kyle.... Where'd you get your Saver?!!!!
Saber*
+Timothy Abakani Ultrasabers!
+Nerdist ultrasabers ftw
+Timothy Abakani Simple answer, he got a bank account with this advantage saver service with good interest rates.
+Timothy Abakani The blades have rounded tops which appear more like Ultrasaber's designs, however it means it is less durable and more display and toy. If you ever want to look into getting one yourself, I recommend Saberforge, you have more options and all sabers are 'dual-ready' and warrantied longer.
Just don't ever join their Kickstarters or Indiegogo campaigns.. they suck at making sure they meet their timelines and communicating back to their backers.
Plasma fuel can't melt vibranium beams
Disney did 9/11
Trump did 7/11
Hydra did the Starkiller base bombing.
+Marco Fatica HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE 711 FIRE STATION
+DerVentilator Doesn't have to melt it, just reduce its material strength enough for the shield to fail under stress. -- KH
You can't cut through FREEDOM
Idiots like him is why freedom doesn't exist in the real world.
+Cooper Zilkenat Yes i can with Trump.
You didn't consider whether Vibranium is analogous to Beskar (Mandalorian steel). Beskar withstood blaster shots and deflected lightsabers.
Do you think a jedi could use the force to lift mjolnir?
Already a video
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lightsabers can't melt vibranum beams
Palpatine did 9/11
+Oscar E Ackbar did Yavin 4!
I think there was 1 factor that was missed in this argument, which was that in a not to long ago arc, caps shield was broken(Via norse god infused magic) to which Iron Man and the dwarves of Nidavellir repaired it via Uru Infusement(The stuff that thors hammer is made out of) making it the strongest it has ever been before and given that Uru itself is made of a number of special properties(Heck, its gone threw the sun and back no problem) Id think it would well...........make it withstand a far better chance against a lightsaber than people would think(Not trying to discredit anyone, just thought this would be something fun for people to know)
yeah but in comics every thing is posible and like u say the shield was repared a lot of times but was destroy a lot o times to.
and this is cience
LeoGonX it was destroyed in the past(via reality warping or immense magic based powers both of which are on the boundary of giving science the middle finger) but it would go on to be restored to its natural lv I'd durability but you know, it's now Uru enforced making it the strongest, one of a kind item out there now(hell, even in th 30th century it still remains in tack and is considered a legendary artifact right up there with mjolnir to which major victory uses that as his weapon of choice which holds more than enough against the tech based weaponry of that era)
In one Avengers story it was disintegrated by a laser beam. Then it turned up in the next issue with no explanation for why it still existed.
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A jedi would win that fight anyway. He has the force, if cap throws his shield the jedi can catch it. If cap runs at him, the jedi throws him back. If cap has a gun and shoots at him, he either disintegrates the bullet with his light saber or uses the force to deflect it.
+Matthew Siano If Cap got a gun.... A gun from earth and not a plasma gun.... Then the Jedi die at the first shot.... Even if the plasma boil the ammo... The ammo will still move at him and burn him.... Worst then just the normal bullet.
+seb4sti4n666 no it would disintegrate in that heat
+seb4sti4n666 also plasma shots are deflected with the aid of the force, so the jedi would use the force to deflect it too. So even if it didn't instantly disintegrate, it would be deflected with the force.
seb4sti4n666 a light saber can block solid matter as well
Can Saitama(One Punch Man) break a Nokia-3310??
+Vegeta Or the Droid Turbo?
+Vegeta no
He can break anything
+Goldehh but its a nokia
One time someone threw a nokia against a wall we germans call that the fall of the Berlin Wall.
+Vegeta He wouldn't but assuming Cap was sitting behind the shield waiting to absorb the shock the pure amount of kinetic energy behind it would exceed the fantastic limits of the shield and Captain would more than likely die.
@Nerdist I think you missed something. At around 2:40 you explain how the shields melting point would actually go down and become a value between steel and vibranium; but in actuality because of vibraniums quality of absorbing heat the amount of energy or heat required would GREATLY increase in turn increasing the melting point. We know that this quality will absorb heat because of what you talked about right after, heat is really just the quality of moving or shaking atoms which is kinetic energy.
But if you where holding such a hot plasma at arms length would you instanly burn to death/ in an atmosphere cause a serious preassure wave when you switch it on, like thunder from a lightning just a lot stronger ? Not the savest weapon to use.
I was thinking this as well.
+Noneofyour Business I agree. The problem with analyzing fictional weapons is that the minute you assume something about them, another 10 problems with that assumption crop up. When applying science to fiction, I try not to make too many declarations because there are so many caveats, like the one you noticed. -- KH
+Noneofyour Business Maybe the energy keeping the plasma in the lightsaber traps the heat inside as well, and when you pass through this energy the heat gets to you? Idk, it's a possibility.
Thats a good point about the shield at the end, actually
+Jonathan Thompson I remember reading/hearing somewhere that the bouncing of his shield is manipulated through magnets or some other stuff. Meaning, while it should absorb the force and drop after hitting a wall, the magnet should pull it back to him. Also something about how it helps direct it's bouncing around.
But honestly, that's just silly. I just say it's magical like Thor's hammer.
Jedi and Sith don't have plurals
+Kyle Netherwood wouldn't jedi be plural? one jedus, two or more jedi. cactus/ cacti. remember, they are jedi knights.
75925mike One Jedi, two Jedi.
nevus/nevi. or did you get that from Lucas himself?
One Sith, Two Sith.
Red Sith, Blue Sith.
+75925mike good point
It would have a melting point but you ignored the fact that it absorbs and REDIRECTS kinetic energy so it probably wouldn’t melt that easily and it would push off the wall
So Cap could block single blows, but not block a lightsaber being forced against it. Yeah, yeah that sounds like its right.
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*Sith and Jedi
Cap's shield also lets off energy when it absorbs it, like when Thor hits Cap's shield in the first Avengers film, so due to the high temp of the plasma blade, it would be letting off the thermal energy about as fast as it absorbs it, it could even act almost like a heat mirror, sending the heat right back at the wielder of the light saber.
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If a lightsaber is 150,000,000°C, wouldn't it melt/ignite things around it?
I think it's being contained by the magnetic field
OK, that sounds possible, but then why there's no noticeable interaction of the magnetic field with the environment? And how would the lightsaber could even touch a metallic shield (which has been shown affected by magnetism)? It either would attract it or repel it. If it attracts things then things around it should be attracted, if it repels things then it couldn't touch the shield or great strength would be needed.
+Benjamin Tuesday but you cannot contain the heat generated by the plasma, nor can you contain the em waves such as x rays or gamma rays that would be emtting from the lightsaber plasma. the radiation will kill anyone who is standing in the room with the lightsaber in minutes, if they dont die from the heat first in a matter of seconds.
jimenez1221 Exactly! Star Wars is fantasy, not Sci-Fi, it's like trying to explain how Harry Potter's wand works.
+jimenez1221 I'm sure there is a logical reason. I'm in grade ten though, so I don't really know enough about physics and chemistry.
So the thing about the properties of the shield that make it nigh indestructible is that not only does the vibebranium absorb kinetic (and other forms) of energy but because of it's unique structure it actually quantum tunnnels that energy back into reinforcing the bonds of the overall structure. The more it absorbs the stronger it gets. The only way to break it is at the quantum level as we have seen happen several times.
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Don't forget they're both Disney now. So there is a real chance something like this will happen sooner or later...
+Knirfie N Heck no. Never
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Odin and Frigga had twins, in Thor and Roht, but fearing that one would become a greedy, vain, cruel boy of a man, they sent one to Midgard to live unknowing of the truth of his existence, and cursed to conveniently forget that he has lived several hundred years by this point.
So you're saying if we're using real life logic, you think it's far fetched for the vibranium not being able to melt again after turning solid, but someone could hold something 10 times hotter than the suns core and not die? Hmmmm
Clayton Richardson LOL 😂 Exactly. In order to make this explanation work, he essentially changes the stated properties of Cap’s shield, in effect “nerfing” it while simultaneously buffing the observed properties/effects of lightsabers.
It’s all make-believe. This attempt at applying real-world physics to objects that basically defies real-world physics is cute and all, but it’s pointless.
We have to use observable evidence here.
From what we can observe, whatever magnetic field that sustains the lightsaber keeps heat from escaping beyond the surface of the 'blade.'
We can also say, without a doubt, that Vibranium has a melting point listed in the comics that is well below the amount generated by any plasma arc. Adamantium's melting point is far lower than Vibranium's.
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Do the Wall from game of thrones next!
I believe your estimates of the Light Saber's temperature are FAR too high. Evidence being that the atmosphere, and the surrounding city isn't instantaneously vaporized the second a light saber is switched on.
That's because it us contained
The heat of the lightsaber is contained by a third field so that only objects it touches experience t he heat.
if it was contained, you wouldn't be able to see it.
+Roadie Dave
not true, for example, a light is contained 8n a bulb yet you can see it.
The magnetic field itself is pretty much 'invisible' but that doesn't render the blade from the kyber krystal invisible too.
So the kyber crystal emits plasma and then there are magnets in the handle that contain the heat?
If the shield absorbs kinetic energy, wouldn't anything that touches it instantly cool to absolute 0, due to all the energy from its molecules being absorbed?
Food for thought
Riley Lankes it doesn't absorb all kinetic energy but yeah if it did you could feel him coming from a mile away
It seems like "absorbing kinetic energy" would be converting normal kinetic into heat. Unless that thing destroys energy, it has to direct the energy somewhere. Into what form is the energy directed, if not kinetic? Chemical? Light?
@@alexanderkilburg7415 according to the rise of the black panther vol 1 1, the energy absorbed by the Vibranium gets into the subatomic bonds of the metal itself. "The energy is still there it's doing something else" to quote the comic!
The way I see it with the little easter egg at the end. Captain America's shield absorbs along the flat side, and disperses along the rim, which is why when it hits a wall, it gets a larger ricochet than you'd expect from it, but if you hit flat end it creates a dispersal effect (ala Thor hitting the shield). What doesn't work, perhaps, is when they fire Iron Man's blasts at the shield and it reflects it off - though you could say, perhaps, that a high concentration of force gets reflected, maybe.
I would really like to know why the Jedi doesn't burn up every time they turn on their saber. A light saber made of plasma would get so hot, that even turning one on, should kill the person trying to use it. Even if the saber has some special heat protection, that only allows what they hit to get hot, the item they are heating up would burn so hot, that it could still be a danger to the user. How can anyone use a sword that is so hot that it can cut through anything, and not burn to death?
+Max Powers A heat sink. Anything less that direct contact and the blade may as well not exist in terms of temp. This is why everything doesn't burst into flame around an active blade yet people get intently culturalized cuts and metal blast doors turn moltan the the point of contact. The logic is sound, it's the heat sink that's confusing.
That is my point though. Such a heat sink shouldn't be possible. When they talk about how to make a light saber in real life, they always neglect to talk about that part of the light saber.
Max Powers Indeed but do keep in mind we're dealing with a galaxy spanning civilization that barely advances in 3,000 years not due to stagnation but because their stuff is so advanced it's hard to come up with anything better. I'd be more than willing to buy that the Force 'eats' the heat (Force insensitives don't use plasma based swords after all) but they've never even tried to explain that point.
So ya, the heat sink is a mystery but the lightsaber works otherwise.
+David Kelly If force insensitive people couldn't use it, how do you explain General Grevious? The explained reason, according to Google, for why normal people don't use it is that they simply don't have the force-enhanced reactions to be able to block blaster bolts or to be able to do anything that useful with them.
Matthew Traver Grievous WAS Force sensitive (but not very strong).
Ok but can they cut through Mljnor?
Thor vs Darth Vader
The star wars universe actually has at least a couple of metals that can block lightsabers, cortosis is and beskar/mandalorian iron. I believe this indicates lightsabers don't run at 150000000c so i think adamantium or vibranium could easily block a lightsaber.
+Joseph Parker
Not canon.
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I realize that this is food that I'm referencing and not a metal aloy, but gelatin is an example if something that has an higher melting point after its original manufacturing process than the original components. culinary speaking at least.
Jell-O doesn't melt because it's a cross-linked thermoset. It will decompose with heat increase.
Thanos destroyed Captain America's shield in the Infinity Gauntlet, so it's definitely not indestructible.
Leggir because the infinity gauntlet allows him to do anything like kill a large portion of the universe with a snap of his fingers.
THESTFUPRODUCTION it still means its not indestructible your fact doesnt change anything
Peter Vreča because it can't be destroyed without using a magic stone that gives someone control over an aspect of reality, that's pretty indestructible to me.
THESTFUPRODUCTION its still destructable its like saying that you cant get drunk and then a magician makes you drunk you can get drunk but not normally so caps shield is destructable
The underlying point is that vs. non-omnipotent god-force, Cap's shield is indestructible. (In the old Marvel Writer's Bible, Cap's shield was literally listed as being indestructible vs. any force which isn't defined as omnipotent, or against a power which effectively removes the shield from effective "existence" via temporal manipulation -- which doesn't destroy the shield, as such, but rather shunts it into a temporal zone where it doesn't exist relative to the narratives at hand.) So... yeah -- that's indestructible, sans writer/god fiat. (Otherwise, it just gets into a discussion of "can god make a rock that god can't lift"-sort of thing... "Indestructible" *is* the appropriate descriptor for Cap's shield in all relative contexts....)
please do the science of yondu's whistle arrow from guardians of the gakaxy
I think you all have to examine the feats we can check.
Cap's shield had repeatedly withstood hits from the Human Torch's "Nova Flame" The exact upper temperature isn't known, but in theory it can match an actual nova, which can reach 20 million kelvin, or about 36 million farenheit. The energy-absorbing properties allowed Cap to be unharmed on the other side, for whatever reason, and apparently the shield wasn't even hot to hold.
Based on that, I don't think even the highest estimate of a lightsaber's temperature can even come close to this temperature. And since this temperature was ineffective at hurting the shield, I don;t think any lightsaber can cut through it.
As for "ligbtsabers can only be blocked by certain materials"-- not true. We see lots of material resist lightsabers in the canon sources, the question is merely how long it takes to overcome it. In TPM, Qui Gon is slowly cutting through a blast door, and he would eventually have succeeded; however, the door still stops him until reinforcements arrive. So, some material will hold off a lightsaber indefinitely.
Of course, the more interesting question is the Death Battle. Who would win, Cap or a Jedi? Or better yet, Cap vs Darth Maul?
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The lightsabers are NOWHERE near that hot. How could Jedi even use them if they were?
If they were, their weilders would practically be bursting into flame every time it was turned on. If you hand is a few inches away from something that's 15M dgrees C, its pretty much going to melt off. At best the light sabers are probably maybe thousand degrees C or so
hot enough to cut trough arms and burning the blood fast enough
This is the real-life equivalent of a lightsaber, not the kind used in Star Wars. In order to make a lightsaber in real life it would have to be extremely hot to actually function and in the Star Wars universe the Jedi could be trained to use the force to dissipate the heat generated by the saber to a certain degree.
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This has been discused to dead, that's why I linked a wikipedia article about it. The fundamental force of the lightsaber is heat (most likely plasma) contained in a force field, that's how you limit the distance the heat escapes. There are ways to replicate to some degree a lightsaber as shown in the video, but we have yet to find a way to create (in paper) a forcefield with the capabilities of one used in a lightsaber.
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I'm by no means a chemistry expert, but I have a question when you talk about the shield melting at the temperature it was forged. I think there may be something to this. I realize that this may be a stretch, but a liquid egg can no longer become a liquid once it's cooked due to what I understand is an irreversible thermal reaction. I realize that certain chemicals could potentially return the gelatin of a cooked or boiled egg to a liquid, but that's not the question posed. Could there be something in this third "mysterious substance" that would have a similar chemical effect making the shield impervious to at least the temperature it was forged at?
VIDEO IDEA: Why could a Jedi go blind from the light of his lightsaber making contact with something, like when you weld without a mask or goggles
the Weapon from a more civilised age would win
so does that mean an energy sword could do the same thing
so Master Chief could kick caps ass like it's nothing
fuck ya he can
fuck yah.. all hail the chief.. we need a chief vs captain America episode
Troy Foxworthy Watch the channel Batinthesun, they have a Master Chief vs Captain America episode
From the OHOTMU entry for Firelord: By the slightest manifestation of his stellar powers, he can burn through any Earthly substance (with the exception of Adamantium).
Firelord can reach the temperature of a star, which is very much higher than that of the Torch and so at maximum output he might be able to burn through.
Also 2:23
"The extremely stable molecular structure of the Adamantium prevents it from being molded further, even if the temperature remains high enough to keep it in liquefied form. Only a device celled a Molecular Rearranger can alter the form of hardened Adamantium."
So it would melt but it wouldn't change shape.