I’ve been a practicing Architect for nearly 20 years but only started using REVIT about 3 years ago, so I’m a novice. We work on some reasonably large projects (up to around £40m) but none as yet have required a full BIM approach. Therefore I would agree with you that one should be modeling to the level appropriate to the project and the design stage. Your channel has helped me greatly in getting to grips with REVIT, many thanks. 👍
I have a question for you. the workflow that is required to be done, Do you start with an architectural model, and then do a structural analysis, and subsequently an MEP model? Or do you initiate with a conceptual model and then do the next steps?
You are doing an awesome job, as a transitional practitioner from autocad to revit your videos are great to find solutions for constraints, keep up the good work!
I agree with you entirely the software is a tool to help you do your job and should not be allowed to dictate your job. However, sometimes when you collaborate with others you need common practices to enable consistency and better understanding of each other's work. This may be dictated by company policy, or by a generally understood 'best practice'. Revit is undoubtedly a great tool for collaborative working when this is the case. For working on a stand-alone project, clearly one can do what you like. When working together we must be aware of what others need and expect from our contribution. Just to clarify: I am by no means an expert on Revit (or working with others), but have come across similar issues with bad Excel Data files, bad Word documents submitted for inclusion in a publishing package, badly created Blocks for CAD, bad Families for Revit, etc...the list goes on and on, and just makes life difficult and wastes a lot of time for the person who has to fix it in the future (and bear in mind this may be you). I'll be interested to see what everyone else thinks though.
First, your job is amazing, for me the solution is always available when I'm looking something. Second, as far as the approach as you said in the video, is up to each particular user, is never a rule. For my particular case, I tend to model Architecture, thinking in structures in a parallel way, modeling in both ways sometimes, my approach. Lastly, many thanks for the job you are doing, and the time you spend making your tutorials. Have a good day and many success in your life.
You not only have an outstanding knowledge in Revit but you also know how to pass it, you were born to be a teacher. I can't tell how much I have learned from your videos and for a while now I have been doing all my projects in Revit, saving this way tons of hours. Thank you so much Mr. Balkan.
It seems we all agree that there is not a correct way, it depends of the poject. But I think we can also agree that there are also bad practices in working with Revit. Keep up the good work.
I think Revit really only becomes BIM when used in a collaborative environment along with BIM360 to allow 3rd party users i.e. project managers, builders, shop fabricators, fire engineers, HVAC contractors, electrical contractors etc the ability to view, critique, markup a live working model. Keep up the great work Balkan, you're' the rock star of the Revit World.
Dont be worry about negatives comments , there is people to say that revit is BIM ,, lol.... they don't know that Revit is just a Tool as you said. you work is really wonderful helping people, those negative comments comes from frustrated people...
Glad to see you make this video - an important one to make for your supporters and critics alike I think, good work. There are many ways to use Revit (or any BIM tool), it depends on the user and the project requirements. As you acknowledged a lot of your audience is student/graduate focused so what you teach will suit them better than a channel like mine would for example. The only problem is when people insist on using the wrong approach in a scenario (e.g. a BIM manager wasting time with something overly detailed/technical, or a designer not modelling to the required level of resolution in construction documentation). I would guess a lot of your critics are BIM managers who have seen the consequences of a user bringing in an inappropriate workflow without communicating effectively - their reaction is usually a result of them scapegoating those who teach them these workflows rather than refining their communication with their team members internally. I do encourage you to explore the professional approach to BIM in a company context in your own career sooner rather than later so that you get access to the full spectrum of how Revit and BIM can be applied. Keep up what you do though of course, we need all types of perspectives to be taught to people in the industry!
Hi, yes I understand that it can be really frustrating if someone insists on a wrong approach. This is why I believe that every company, no matter the size should set time aside for learning Revit and other BIM software as well as best practices and guidelines for workflow. If workers are excited to "figure it out online" then that is a receipt for disaster. I tried to explain this to many company owners and directors, but paying workers to learn doesn't sound like "profit" to them, even though it is, in the long run.
@@balkanarchitect too true! I see the same thing often unfortunately as well at companies these days. Profit and training don't go hand in hand in director's minds often... good point!
Timeline of BIM history 1957 - Pronto, first commercial computer-aided machining (CAM) software 1963 - Sketchpad, CAD with graphical user interface 1975 - Building Description System (BDS) 1977 - Graphical Language for Interactive Design (GLIDE) 1982-2D CAD 1984 - Radar CH 1985 - Vectorworks 1986 - Really Universal Computer-Aided Production System (RUCAPS) 1987 - ArchiCAD 1988 - Pro/ENGINEER 1992 - Building Information Model as official term 1993 - Building Design Advisor 1994 - miniCAD 1995 - International Foundation Class (IFC) file format 1997 - ArchiCAD’s Teamwork 1999 - Onuma 2000 - Revit 2001 - NavisWorks 2002 - Autodesk buys Revit 2003 - Generative Components 2004 - Revit 6 update 2006 - Digital Project 2007 - Autodesk buys NavisWorks 2008 - Parametricist Manifesto 2012 - formit 1960 - cad research 1970 - cad workstation 1980 - cad PC 1990 - BIM Foundation Phase 0 BIM = CAD Phase 1 BIM = 2D+3D Phase 2 BIM = Colaborated environment Phase 3 BIM = Integrated use of BIM *CAD-BIM trend in the AEC (Bew and Richards, 2008) 1990 - 2000 BIM Hype & technology trigger ... 2010 - 2015 Peak of inflated expectations of BIM ... 2015 - 2020 Trough of disillusionment ... > 2020 is it BIM on slope of enlightment ? ... align with 4.0 digital revolution ... The ideal and real practitioner of future BIM is millenial ... How to work in Revit I think its about the most efficient workflow how to deliver a completed project that has an impact on faster schedule, better design and engineering quality, and cheaper cost of the project ... that is the real final value of BIM as a high level of abstraction of the ideal team work (management) in a project ... As a weapon, Revit has a value. But BIM as an advanced technology solution still has a huge gap in best practice, need a lot of alignment in prosess develoment and business model for wider user/market ... (not only for bigger company) Reality, people are still confused about the actual offerings from BIM, it takes longer than expected, and a lot of time resources to adapt...
Speaking from a construction subcontractor's perspective, the wide open, choose your own path aspect of Revit is the most troublesome part of many projects. Many of the "correct" or "acceptable" choices made by architects and engineers can sometimes add together in ways that they don't understand or care about as the models are passed down the line to the construction phase of the project. It makes it very difficult to standardize an approach to using linked models or adapting to LOD 400 constructible models. That is usually the best case scenario. Unfortunately, we see many design models with various levels of incorrect categories, lack of filterable data, or general sloppy modeling, which requires days of cleanup just to use links as dumb backgrounds for our "from scratch" modeling that is more efficient. While I agree that there is no "right way" to model in Revit, there is most certainly a "right direction" and that isn't always clear. I have found your tutorials to be great, and while they aren't always what I might want to see from a design firm, they would generally provide models that are very workable from a down the line perspective. Keep up the great work!
I completely agree with you. I am an architect with 30years experience and Revit beginner. Getting the job done without overkills is a key for small and medium projects.
Here in Norway, your advice would historically be bad advice for architects. I understand what you’re saying, but please don’t confuse “it’s not a requirement” with BIM competency. In Norway BIM is required for virtually every project, no matter the size, and those who previously had the mindset “it’s not necessary” and didn’t learn it, is now without a job. So please, I encourage you to be ahead of your client’s needs when it comes to BIM, and thereafter simplify the project according the the specific project’s need. BIM saves both contractors and building owners millions, so it’s just a matter of time before it’s applied everywhere, even where you are reading this is coming from.
Thank you for your information and instruction. It has been more than 5 years since I used Revit, so I am reacquainting myself on all I have forgotten. I am hoping to rev up an updated portfolio, so thank you. You are so much help
Totally agree. It's one thing to be putting out drawings for a bid on a tight deadline, but if you have the time to spend understanding all functions Revit can do, or just spend your extra time understanding how a material is installed on a wall, for instance, Hardie Plank siding, then it is good to be skillful at doing such things in order to fully understand why they came up with the different trim board sizes, & how you can merge and detail other materials into your design. I appreciate everything you've teaching. Designers architects and engineers draw things not just for the contract, but also to see how something will be assembled and work.
totally agree with u! and I think urs and several other Revit-TH-camr's approach are absolutely amazing. The commentors are usually working people thinking these videos are "for them". A lot of times I really wanna reply them like, "Hello! We know u use BIM as a professional but this is another approach that is directed mainly at Students!"
In a round about way you said: Only model the things that will go on sheets and be used by builders and other contractors and consultants, the stuff that will go on sheets. Otherwise, whilst it's kinda fun to make a beautiful 3D model it can be a big waste of time and time is money. Thanks for re affirming this in my mind :)
Very useful discussion. I agree that, how one uses the Revit tool can not be detected to users. Each user may have their own approaches. Your tutorials are very appropriate and helpful for people who are dynamic and want alternative approaches. You are THE Architect that i understand better.
I agree with your approach totally and it's so useful to watch your video's! I can say as a 3rd year architecture student in israel that revit is not very common among the students and that's a shame cause it's so much better then autocad, ive been working with revit for more then a year now and the way you teach is the best way i found online!! ive been a subscriber for over a year and a patreon also!!! Thank you!
Completely agree with your over modelling comments, in almost all cases, construction documents are 2D drawings and getting there effectively should be the priority.
I think you are entirely right, and for what its worth I wouldn't worry too much about justifying why you are modelling things in certain ways - in reality, most architects practices have different approaches to how they like drawings to look, let alone 3D models to be created! Revit is a tool, nothing more nothing less. I have run my own successful practice for nearly 18 years, transitioning to Revit nearly 4 years ago, and I have found that the most important things have not really changed, no matter what software tools you use. These are is to have a clear brief from your client, understand how you can use Revit to convey the ideas you have for their project and how can you efficiently produce the project documentation that is required, and make a profit in the process. Over modelling doesn't make you money! Each project will be different. Some require a great deal more detail than others - this will depend on size, procurement method, project location, local building codes, etc etc. Knowing what to model and when to model it comes with experience. I completely agree about getting students hooked into Revit early - it is a far more powerful piece of software than say Sketchup, and having good familiarity with it makes newly graduated students much more employable. Keep up the good work, your tutorials are excellent!
hi, im an architect of >30 years experience, revit user for 8. Your tutorials are excellent & on this topic, you nailed it. the level of modelling in BIM is determined by your TORs in the brief for the project at fee proposal stage. If no formal brief exists, this level needs to be ascertained by the architect at time of writing fee. Model the works to the level required of the commission. For most small & medium size projects, full BIM is not required, & we aren't being paid for it.
Omg, the amount of time I have wasted overmodelling stuff is excessive. You can get extremely carried away by BIM. So I totally agree with you and am glad you made this video. Thank you.
Thanks Balkan Architect for educating the aspiring learners of Revit in an interesting way. I am a structural CAD drafter working with a contractor. I am a beginner learner of Revit Architecture. I am confused that how to work on both Architectural and structural models in one model so the modal can be well coordinated. I am an Indian and i am not good at English language but i hope you may get my point. I request you to make a video on this topic or if you have already made such a video please let me know..
AGREE ON THAT ... it's always the end-users to which they're convenient and applicable...meanwhile, as per coordination on big/huge projects adopting a particular approach is necessary...
Well said my friend , just please if we are arguing sometimes it is not bcz we know better , its just a hanger for knowledge , you are the pro , we are not.... and thanks again for all of the effort you do for us.
I mostly agree- I only use Revit for the first draft and to show that to people (especially the inexperienced customers who have problems with 2d floor plans)- and then I switch to 2D Autocad (no elements!) I also have done some building applications with Revit- but that really is stretching it for all the German laws and how everything has to look (try finding a yellow -x-x-x-x-x-x-x line for example....) Execution plans and details seem almost impossible with Revit- especially when you are not working in a bigger office. I used to work with an office which had several Revit specialists- even selling tutorials and such- and even they could not really use Revit for precise details. The BIM aspect is completely lost on me- I don't know a single person actually using BIM the way it is supposed to work... I would need 2 years to get all the right Families together to even plan a basic building- and then I would need several add-ons just to accommodate German rules... I have to say that if there was a good German family library it would get a lot more feasible- but I don't know of one
You're right in that the tools don't meet all requirements unfortunately. In the case of your yellow -x-x-x- line I would build a line based detail item with an arrayed component (either drawn as an X or a generic annotation - depends on your scaling needs).
Have a look into www.rug-dach.de/download.html. This is a Revit User Group based in the German region. Their template files are made from a german architecture background. I think the official Autodesk templates use some of these as well. They are a bit outdated (R2019) - would be nice if Autodesk could invest more funding into such kind of initiatives - but worth a try.
I agree with your approach to modelling with Revit. I have been modeling 3d in architecture since 1995. I first started with MiniCad now Vectoworks), and later I learned ArchiCad and Revit back in 2002. I used to waste a lot of time modelling insignificant deatils back in those early days . You are absolutely correct, modeling should be done for efficiency, economy and for clarifiying the intent behind the design. Keep up the amazing work!
it is exactly as you said, the pos tool itself needs more deepening of the designer and yet it can become a strong tool for project management, schedule, design and etc.
Exactly, I do agree on the modeling in Revit. We need to adapt our design process to what will be necessary and needed in practice rather wasting precious time in over modeling information that will not be needed in the end.
Awesome explanation. I am totally agreeing with you that it’s upon on people of how to approach a certain project with revit. Also learning revit in college is a must, because I also agree that it is a program that will apply in designing a building construction in reality.
I agree with what you said about time management for academic projects vs. projects in the field. The contractual design and BIM requirements for each large project in the field should be worked out well before anybody starts modeling, etc. Firms want to be able to charge for every minute an employee spends on a project.
The correct way is the "BIM Managers Way". When there is no assigned bim manager on the project, i know for sure im in deep shit specially in a work sharing environment haha
My baseline is to have all the structure and rough dimensions of everything modeled accurately. I will model extra items depending on how complex the project is. I like to model in place items that are the outside dimensions of things such as casework, and then to draft in the details with linework. I can modify my details faster during contract administration because I find it easier to redraw linework than to remodel and then re-detail. Anyone else use this approach?
2 general approach: 1) 3D drawing. 2) BIM. All Revit users do work in first by default. Few level up also to second. It's useful only if your contractor can use your model in the field to get helpful information for him and made less mistakes. If contractor use only 2D drawings, second approach mostly waist of time
Agreed , revit is like an open source. You adapt your template and work flow to suite you. Create parameters to make easier to detail. The level of detail will vary depending on type of project. Love your vids. Helped me a lot. I work with mep but some tips helped me make my projects more efficient.
The approach to anyone learning new software is always slow. But having learnt Revit from working in an international MEP firm.4 years on an AutoCAD for me is no longer my go to software for building design. But there is never a right way to be creative. @Balkan Architect facebook.com/KRAMARCHD Thanks Balkan i'm still inspired by you!!!
For me there is no standard work flow... Just do what makes you run faster as long as this doesn't affect your ability to correct errors or making changes in the model
Hi thanks for your videos, I want to ask how export building model for 3d printing, I know we must export it to STL file and in Revit we have STL exporter, would you explain it. thanks
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I’ve been a practicing Architect for nearly 20 years but only started using REVIT about 3 years ago, so I’m a novice. We work on some reasonably large projects (up to around £40m) but none as yet have required a full BIM approach. Therefore I would agree with you that one should be modeling to the level appropriate to the project and the design stage. Your channel has helped me greatly in getting to grips with REVIT, many thanks. 👍
I have a question for you. the workflow that is required to be done, Do you start with an architectural model, and then do a structural analysis, and subsequently an MEP model?
Or do you initiate with a conceptual model and then do the next steps?
You are doing an awesome job, as a transitional practitioner from autocad to revit your videos are great to find solutions for constraints, keep up the good work!
I agree with you entirely the software is a tool to help you do your job and should not be allowed to dictate your job.
However, sometimes when you collaborate with others you need common practices to enable consistency and better understanding of each other's work. This may be dictated by company policy, or by a generally understood 'best practice'.
Revit is undoubtedly a great tool for collaborative working when this is the case.
For working on a stand-alone project, clearly one can do what you like. When working together we must be aware of what others need and expect from our contribution.
Just to clarify: I am by no means an expert on Revit (or working with others), but have come across similar issues with bad Excel Data files, bad Word documents submitted for inclusion in a publishing package, badly created Blocks for CAD, bad Families for Revit, etc...the list goes on and on, and just makes life difficult and wastes a lot of time for the person who has to fix it in the future (and bear in mind this may be you).
I'll be interested to see what everyone else thinks though.
First, your job is amazing, for me the solution is always available when I'm looking something.
Second, as far as the approach as you said in the video, is up to each particular user, is never a rule.
For my particular case, I tend to model Architecture, thinking in structures in a parallel way, modeling in both ways sometimes, my approach.
Lastly, many thanks for the job you are doing, and the time you spend making your tutorials.
Have a good day and many success in your life.
You not only have an outstanding knowledge in Revit but you also know how to pass it, you were born to be a teacher. I can't tell how much I have learned from your videos and for a while now I have been doing all my projects in Revit, saving this way tons of hours. Thank you so much Mr. Balkan.
It seems we all agree that there is not a correct way, it depends of the poject. But I think we can also agree that there are also bad practices in working with Revit.
Keep up the good work.
I think Revit really only becomes BIM when used in a collaborative environment along with BIM360 to allow 3rd party users i.e. project managers, builders, shop fabricators, fire engineers, HVAC contractors, electrical contractors etc the ability to view, critique, markup a live working model. Keep up the great work Balkan, you're' the rock star of the Revit World.
Dont be worry about negatives comments , there is people to say that revit is BIM ,, lol.... they don't know that Revit is just a Tool as you said. you work is really wonderful helping people, those negative comments comes from frustrated people...
Glad to see you make this video - an important one to make for your supporters and critics alike I think, good work.
There are many ways to use Revit (or any BIM tool), it depends on the user and the project requirements. As you acknowledged a lot of your audience is student/graduate focused so what you teach will suit them better than a channel like mine would for example.
The only problem is when people insist on using the wrong approach in a scenario (e.g. a BIM manager wasting time with something overly detailed/technical, or a designer not modelling to the required level of resolution in construction documentation). I would guess a lot of your critics are BIM managers who have seen the consequences of a user bringing in an inappropriate workflow without communicating effectively - their reaction is usually a result of them scapegoating those who teach them these workflows rather than refining their communication with their team members internally.
I do encourage you to explore the professional approach to BIM in a company context in your own career sooner rather than later so that you get access to the full spectrum of how Revit and BIM can be applied. Keep up what you do though of course, we need all types of perspectives to be taught to people in the industry!
Hi, yes I understand that it can be really frustrating if someone insists on a wrong approach. This is why I believe that every company, no matter the size should set time aside for learning Revit and other BIM software as well as best practices and guidelines for workflow.
If workers are excited to "figure it out online" then that is a receipt for disaster.
I tried to explain this to many company owners and directors, but paying workers to learn doesn't sound like "profit" to them, even though it is, in the long run.
@@balkanarchitect too true! I see the same thing often unfortunately as well at companies these days. Profit and training don't go hand in hand in director's minds often... good point!
Timeline of BIM history
1957 - Pronto, first commercial computer-aided machining (CAM) software
1963 - Sketchpad, CAD with graphical user interface
1975 - Building Description System (BDS)
1977 - Graphical Language for Interactive Design (GLIDE)
1982-2D CAD
1984 - Radar CH
1985 - Vectorworks
1986 - Really Universal Computer-Aided Production System (RUCAPS)
1987 - ArchiCAD
1988 - Pro/ENGINEER
1992 - Building Information Model as official term
1993 - Building Design Advisor
1994 - miniCAD
1995 - International Foundation Class (IFC) file format
1997 - ArchiCAD’s Teamwork
1999 - Onuma
2000 - Revit
2001 - NavisWorks
2002 - Autodesk buys Revit
2003 - Generative Components
2004 - Revit 6 update
2006 - Digital Project
2007 - Autodesk buys NavisWorks
2008 - Parametricist Manifesto
2012 - formit
1960 - cad research
1970 - cad workstation
1980 - cad PC
1990 - BIM Foundation
Phase 0 BIM = CAD
Phase 1 BIM = 2D+3D
Phase 2 BIM = Colaborated environment
Phase 3 BIM = Integrated use of BIM
*CAD-BIM trend in the AEC (Bew and Richards, 2008)
1990 - 2000 BIM Hype & technology trigger ...
2010 - 2015 Peak of inflated expectations of BIM ...
2015 - 2020 Trough of disillusionment ...
> 2020 is it BIM on slope of enlightment ? ... align with 4.0 digital revolution ...
The ideal and real practitioner of future BIM is millenial ...
How to work in Revit I think its about the most efficient workflow how to deliver a completed project that has an impact on faster schedule, better design and engineering quality, and cheaper cost of the project ... that is the real final value of BIM as a high level of abstraction of the ideal team work (management) in a project ...
As a weapon, Revit has a value.
But BIM as an advanced technology solution still has a huge gap in best practice, need a lot of alignment in prosess develoment and business model for wider user/market ... (not only for bigger company)
Reality, people are still confused about the actual offerings from BIM, it takes longer than expected, and a lot of time resources to adapt...
Speaking from a construction subcontractor's perspective, the wide open, choose your own path aspect of Revit is the most troublesome part of many projects.
Many of the "correct" or "acceptable" choices made by architects and engineers can sometimes add together in ways that they don't understand or care about as the models are passed down the line to the construction phase of the project.
It makes it very difficult to standardize an approach to using linked models or adapting to LOD 400 constructible models.
That is usually the best case scenario. Unfortunately, we see many design models with various levels of incorrect categories, lack of filterable data, or general sloppy modeling, which requires days of cleanup just to use links as dumb backgrounds for our "from scratch" modeling that is more efficient.
While I agree that there is no "right way" to model in Revit, there is most certainly a "right direction" and that isn't always clear.
I have found your tutorials to be great, and while they aren't always what I might want to see from a design firm, they would generally provide models that are very workable from a down the line perspective.
Keep up the great work!
I completely agree with you. I am an architect with 30years experience and Revit beginner. Getting the job done without overkills is a key for small and medium projects.
I am a student majoring in Architectural Drafting and I always run to your videos for instruction. Thank you for what you do for us.
Here in Norway, your advice would historically be bad advice for architects. I understand what you’re saying, but please don’t confuse “it’s not a requirement” with BIM competency. In Norway BIM is required for virtually every project, no matter the size, and those who previously had the mindset “it’s not necessary” and didn’t learn it, is now without a job. So please, I encourage you to be ahead of your client’s needs when it comes to BIM, and thereafter simplify the project according the the specific project’s need. BIM saves both contractors and building owners millions, so it’s just a matter of time before it’s applied everywhere, even where you are reading this is coming from.
Thank you for your information and instruction. It has been more than 5 years since I used Revit, so I am reacquainting myself on all I have forgotten. I am hoping to rev up an updated portfolio, so thank you. You are so much help
Totally agree. It's one thing to be putting out drawings for a bid on a tight deadline, but if you have the time to spend understanding all functions Revit can do, or just spend your extra time understanding how a material is installed on a wall, for instance, Hardie Plank siding, then it is good to be skillful at doing such things in order to fully understand why they came up with the different trim board sizes, & how you can merge and detail other materials into your design. I appreciate everything you've teaching. Designers architects and engineers draw things not just for the contract, but also to see how something will be assembled and work.
They didn’t have Revit to build the Taj Mahal. Yet it is a beauty of classic proportions, precise structural engineering and masterful construction.
totally agree with u! and I think urs and several other Revit-TH-camr's approach are absolutely amazing. The commentors are usually working people thinking these videos are "for them". A lot of times I really wanna reply them like, "Hello! We know u use BIM as a professional but this is another approach that is directed mainly at Students!"
In a round about way you said: Only model the things that will go on sheets and be used by builders and other contractors and consultants, the stuff that will go on sheets. Otherwise, whilst it's kinda fun to make a beautiful 3D model it can be a big waste of time and time is money. Thanks for re affirming this in my mind :)
This is nice Mr. Balkan. Every software is a tool and depends on the user like you said. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. God bless.
Very useful discussion. I agree that, how one uses the Revit tool can not be detected to users. Each user may have their own approaches. Your tutorials are very appropriate and helpful for people who are dynamic and want alternative approaches. You are THE Architect that i understand better.
I agree with your approach totally and it's so useful to watch your video's!
I can say as a 3rd year architecture student in israel that revit is not very common among the students and that's a shame cause it's so much better then autocad, ive been working with revit for more then a year now and the way you teach is the best way i found online!! ive been a subscriber for over a year and a patreon also!!!
Thank you!
I know architects that won’t even go near Revit. Far as I’m concerned, you’re doing a great job. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise
Completely agree with your over modelling comments, in almost all cases, construction documents are 2D drawings and getting there effectively should be the priority.
I think you are entirely right, and for what its worth I wouldn't worry too much about justifying why you are modelling things in certain ways - in reality, most architects practices have different approaches to how they like drawings to look, let alone 3D models to be created!
Revit is a tool, nothing more nothing less. I have run my own successful practice for nearly 18 years, transitioning to Revit nearly 4 years ago, and I have found that the most important things have not really changed, no matter what software tools you use. These are is to have a clear brief from your client, understand how you can use Revit to convey the ideas you have for their project and how can you efficiently produce the project documentation that is required, and make a profit in the process. Over modelling doesn't make you money! Each project will be different. Some require a great deal more detail than others - this will depend on size, procurement method, project location, local building codes, etc etc. Knowing what to model and when to model it comes with experience. I completely agree about getting students hooked into Revit early - it is a far more powerful piece of software than say Sketchup, and having good familiarity with it makes newly graduated students much more employable. Keep up the good work, your tutorials are excellent!
hi, im an architect of >30 years experience, revit user for 8. Your tutorials are excellent & on this topic, you nailed it. the level of modelling in BIM is determined by your TORs in the brief for the project at fee proposal stage. If no formal brief exists, this level needs to be ascertained by the architect at time of writing fee. Model the works to the level required of the commission. For most small & medium size projects, full BIM is not required, & we aren't being paid for it.
Omg, the amount of time I have wasted overmodelling stuff is excessive. You can get extremely carried away by BIM. So I totally agree with you and am glad you made this video. Thank you.
Yeah man i loved revit because of you i was thinking of using skechup first and now am using revit for about 2 years because of your help thank you 🙏
Thanks Balkan Architect for educating the aspiring learners of Revit in an interesting way. I am a structural CAD drafter working with a contractor. I am a beginner learner of Revit Architecture. I am confused that how to work on both Architectural and structural models in one model so the modal can be well coordinated. I am an Indian and i am not good at English language but i hope you may get my point. I request you to make a video on this topic or if you have already made such a video please let me know..
AGREE ON THAT ... it's always the end-users to which they're convenient and applicable...meanwhile, as per coordination on big/huge projects adopting a particular approach is necessary...
bro don't think about haters in reality they are the huge fan of you whithout haters we can"t grow
you are doing the best
Well said my friend , just please if we are arguing sometimes it is not bcz we know better , its just a hanger for knowledge , you are the pro , we are not.... and thanks again for all of the effort you do for us.
I mostly agree- I only use Revit for the first draft and to show that to people (especially the inexperienced customers who have problems with 2d floor plans)- and then I switch to 2D Autocad (no elements!)
I also have done some building applications with Revit- but that really is stretching it for all the German laws and how everything has to look (try finding a yellow -x-x-x-x-x-x-x line for example....)
Execution plans and details seem almost impossible with Revit- especially when you are not working in a bigger office. I used to work with an office which had several Revit specialists- even selling tutorials and such- and even they could not really use Revit for precise details. The BIM aspect is completely lost on me- I don't know a single person actually using BIM the way it is supposed to work... I would need 2 years to get all the right Families together to even plan a basic building- and then I would need several add-ons just to accommodate German rules...
I have to say that if there was a good German family library it would get a lot more feasible- but I don't know of one
You're right in that the tools don't meet all requirements unfortunately. In the case of your yellow -x-x-x- line I would build a line based detail item with an arrayed component (either drawn as an X or a generic annotation - depends on your scaling needs).
Have a look into www.rug-dach.de/download.html. This is a Revit User Group based in the German region. Their template files are made from a german architecture background. I think the official Autodesk templates use some of these as well. They are a bit outdated (R2019) - would be nice if Autodesk could invest more funding into such kind of initiatives - but worth a try.
I agree with your approach to modelling with Revit. I have been modeling 3d in architecture since 1995. I first started with MiniCad now Vectoworks), and later I learned ArchiCad and Revit back in 2002. I used to waste a lot of time modelling insignificant deatils back in those early days . You are absolutely correct, modeling should be done for efficiency, economy and for clarifiying the intent behind the design. Keep up the amazing work!
The cold hard fact is that no project is the same. This goes with life as well. Adaptability is essential.
Thank you! God Bless 😇
it is exactly as you said, the pos tool itself needs more deepening of the designer and yet it can become a strong tool for project management, schedule, design and etc.
Exactly, I do agree on the modeling in Revit. We need to adapt our design process to what will be necessary and needed in practice rather wasting precious time in over modeling information that will not be needed in the end.
Awesome explanation. I am totally agreeing with you that it’s upon on people of how to approach a certain project with revit. Also learning revit in college is a must, because I also agree that it is a program that will apply in designing a building construction in reality.
This was a really great subjekt. You’re naillng it!!👍👍
I agree with what you said about time management for academic projects vs. projects in the field. The contractual design and BIM requirements for each large project in the field should be worked out well before anybody starts modeling, etc. Firms want to be able to charge for every minute an employee spends on a project.
This was a great video, this topic is always miss understood and I think you explained it perfectly 👌🏿
love you for you learning us more and more
Thank you for your lessons. Keep it up.
Thanks for the videos! Appreciated!
As always really good videos!
Keep up the awesome work.
The correct way is the "BIM Managers Way". When there is no assigned bim manager on the project, i know for sure im in deep shit specially in a work sharing environment haha
@warriorwithin lol liquidated damages. Sorry but i prefer quality work, we depend on repeating customers.
Thanks for the "Rant". Hope to see some occasional discussion on classroom vs working world applications.
My baseline is to have all the structure and rough dimensions of everything modeled accurately. I will model extra items depending on how complex the project is. I like to model in place items that are the outside dimensions of things such as casework, and then to draft in the details with linework. I can modify my details faster during contract administration because I find it easier to redraw linework than to remodel and then re-detail. Anyone else use this approach?
2 general approach: 1) 3D drawing. 2) BIM. All Revit users do work in first by default. Few level up also to second. It's useful only if your contractor can use your model in the field to get helpful information for him and made less mistakes. If contractor use only 2D drawings, second approach mostly waist of time
different cad users have different approaches, it all depends on what you want to do for what purpose and for which LOD.
Hi Balkan Architect!
From Philippines!
Agreed , revit is like an open source. You adapt your template and work flow to suite you. Create parameters to make easier to detail. The level of detail will vary depending on type of project. Love your vids. Helped me a lot. I work with mep but some tips helped me make my projects more efficient.
cant download revit, can you provide the link for that ? Autodesk is asking documents for students to upload
Hello, i'm looking for a structural families adaptative "métal" if you know a site for charger free, thanks
Pls upload a video regarding M2D sheets😍
Can you please show hos the elevations work and the levels i am so bad on it. I need to learn the basics in revit
YOU ARE THE BEST..
The approach to anyone learning new software is always slow.
But having learnt Revit from working in an international MEP firm.4 years on an AutoCAD for me is no longer my go to software for building design.
But there is never a right way to be creative. @Balkan Architect
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Thanks Balkan i'm still inspired by you!!!
For me there is no standard work flow... Just do what makes you run faster as long as this doesn't affect your ability to correct errors or making changes in the model
I agree bro.... 💯
Thanks
Currently am taking Revit and Rhino I like more Revit From Ethiopia.
They both have their uses, both tools do very different things so are hard to compare.
Hi thanks for your videos, I want to ask how export building model for 3d printing, I know we must export it to STL file and in Revit we have STL exporter, would you explain it. thanks
I think this way is general, do we have another way??
Most printers I know take the model into Rhino 3d to clean up the mesh gaps.
can you do a tutorial how to draw 3d curved facade like shanghai natural history museum perkins+will in revit? pliss😊
The correct way is to draw everything with 2d detail lines.
**triggered**
sir can you talk about VR &AR in architecture
The best way is using ArchiCAD instead.
i really appreciate what you are teaching us in Revit, and sir where can I download Revit families apart from Revit city? I am from Nigeria. thanks.
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@@aliciftci4154 i am glad and thanks again
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NBS.com,net or what?
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