@@GTRKT-qr5sf I do not know what you mean , but smile at someone doesn't mean it's clickbait , I got excited as it was DDr5 and I have a system with DDr3. LTT video was more detailed clearly and each and everyone clearly has their own ways of doing things.
There's one extremely good value DDR4 Samsung B-Die kit if you don't need RGB: the Patriot Viper Steel 4400Mhz CL19. It's something like $100 USD/$130 AUD including tax for 2x 8gb and people have managed to run it at 4000 CL15 or 3600 CL14 etc. I run mine at 3800 16-16-16-34 because I can't be bothered min/maxing it, very nice performance for the same price as much slower kits.
Can you let me know your build? Im wanting to do a mini itx build with a 12700k and the ram you mentioned. Do you have a motherboard to recommend as well as other parts?
Actually it is bigger than most informed people are. We were expecting it to be worse or on par at time of release and mature and get better in the months and years to follow.
First time in your channel I left a like because the title was incredible it tells you what you need to know right away. Short video and straight to the point, no asking for likes, subscribes, no annoying sponsor ads, just straight to what matters in a simplistic title that does not demand you to stay in the whole video just to get the answer at the end like every channel does. Respect man.
Haha they all do that coz thats they are tpught to do. I hate everyone going "if you didnt subscribe yet do it, dont forget to subscribe, dont forget to hit that like button" etc. 😂😂😂 as if it was something that you have/should do or something you planned or was planned for you as forna child so you dont forget. 99% of them idiots do that and thats why they dont get likes nor subscriptions especiwlly from me. Even some I liked to watch started going dont forget this dont forget that hot subscribe and like is at the very begging of the videos. The only few I was giving likes and was subscribing I unsunscribed and stopepd giving likes
TH-cam used to be like this... :( In fact, before 8/10 minute monetization, every video was straight to the point, barely any intros, or if their was a normal length intro, you better believe the video was long and dense,. and if there was an ad, posters taught other posters to stick it at the end of their videos.
I recently started watching your channel and have been watching all of ur previous videos. I really like the brief info that u provide in the video. Keep it up.
Welcome to the channel! He's really good at presenting things quickly and getting straight to the point plus he also focuses mainly on sffpcs which is nice for us in the community because you don't find many TH-camrs that zero in on that.
I just wanted to come and say how grateful I am you've added Siege to your benchmarks. It's the only game I play where my frames/latency really matter, and reliable data on the performance of different kinds of kit is very sparse.
True! I like seeing those too as I'm big on FPS titles. But here's some nerd information I just picked up (unfortunately). I essentially just found out that your router's BIOS can also have a HUGE impact on most fast paced, competitive shooters. Granted, this wouldn't be affecting your frames or input latency, however, it can cause desynchronization with the server and can cause server latency (but I'm not yet sure if your computer is receiving updates from the server slower or if it's sending data to the server at a slower pace). Downgrading my router's BIOS yesterday resolved this problem. But I'll still be getting a 12900K to soup up my build even more, haha. So TL;DR: Try updating and downgrading your router's BIOS and see if you notice a difference. I'm big into fast paced, FPS titles and had been wondering why I started getting smacked for the past few months lol. Crazy stuff.
If latency matters, there is much you can do yourself. Lower your graphics settings. Match FPS to screen/remove vsync/cap framerate at screen refresh, use Vulcan, use port forwarding, use a 5 Ghz channel on wifi, use the nearest/lowest ping server. All of which comes long before DDR5.
If you're running single-rank modules (like those 8Gbit 1Rx8 ones), it's likely that the Gear1 'tolerance' is increased from previous gen to around 3866-4000 MT/s- ish (from the Rocket Lake's 3600 - 3733 MT/s), and some lucky memory controller I saw get up to 4266MT/s Gear 1(not sure if there is going to be many like this though). Running Dual-rank modules is quite a bit harder though, still not sure where is the ceiling yet (also need many cpu samples, I only got 3 at this point). As for DDR4 Gear2, I would assume running 4800CL20 Gear2 is the starting point where the bandwidth compensate for latency, lots of Hynix DJR 8Gbit 1Rx8 Kit was capable to run this speed for daily. Keep up the good work btw, looking forward to more videos :)
Hey Alva, can i run this RAM Kit G.Skill Trident Z Royal silver DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR4-4000, CL17-17-17-37 (F4-4000C17Q-32GTRS) at Gear1 with i9 12900k CPU? or is this duel rank modules? i have 4 sticks with 8gb each. Thanks for your help!
I went for a Z690 motherboard which runs on DDR4 memory. Especially because DDR5 is very hard to get in my country in Europe, and costs currently as much as a Strix Motherboard with a Z690 chipset for only 16 GB. So I run a Intel 12700k with 64 GB DDR4 3200 mhz memory, and its still very fast too me.
@@zombiefirebot6066 Back in 2017 I was someone who jumped onto Ryzen 1700 and got to experience the joys of beta-testing that mess. I'm scared to death of trying Alder Lake with DDR5 since it sounds more like paying extra money to beta-test what should be going into Raptor Lake, just like how the 5800x3d is basically beta-testing what is going into the next gen AMD stuff. Unfortunately, my PC replacement timeline seems to be "welcome to the early adopter phase!" as I'm now at the point of wanting to get a new gaming PC, and I'm in a crypto crash after a massive GPU price bonanza. I guess I am cursed to relive the beta-testing crypto nightmare of 2016-2017 all over again with some inflation on top to make it even sweeter. :(
I think “for now” is the most important thing you said in this video. Keep in mind that most of your viewers will be keeping their hardware for 3-5 years, or even longer. Firmware/Bios/software/application updates will absolutely make better use of the DDR5 memory as time goes on. I don’t think this is a time to change the usual philosophy of future proofing your PC components as much as your budget allows when you build a new machine or upgrade your existing one, and that means buying DDR5 to go with your Alder Lake chips. Worst case, you need to upgrade your motherboard in a year or two if the one you buy now doesn’t get Gear 1 support through updates, but that’s still better than needing to upgrade your mobo AND memory in a year or two if you buy DDR4 and a supporting mobo now. Those will never get updated for better performance and no one will want to buy them on the used market after DDR5 stuff has matured.
But with the so so performance of the introductory ddr5 modules most will want to replace the ddr5 modules to better faster, more mature memory in 12-18 months anyway. Considering also that the difference in price on the ddr4 mb and buying much cheaper ddr4 now will pretty much save you the cost of a future mb upgrade now. And one thing that is speculating is that more than likely when Raptor Lake launches in q4 2022 there may well be a z790 chipset motherboard released that will improve on performance and have a better memory controller as well as that will be getting to the time frame of better memory and maybe more reasonable ddr5 pricing. If a person was planning a mb/ddr5 upgrade anyway then going to the new chipset would be much less painful than wanting to replace a much higher launch era ddr5 mb because of possible massive performance improvements. I think for the average user and even more so a gamer going ddr4 right now is the best option. Save the upgrade path to ddr5 till next year after it has had time to mature and really get better.
Unsurprisingly, increased memory bandwidth only matters if you actually need it, like video encoding. DDR5 might be interesting for the performance of integrated GPUs, could be worth testing that?
I thought you were going to show numbers with DDR4 4000 at Gear 1 since you mentioned it can run at that speed? That 4000C15 kit you used in some previous memory tuning video, why not try that with 12900K? Would love to see how a tuned b-die kit would perform :)
This is an excellent comparison to understand in which scenario someone can actually be benefitted from a higher clocked ddr5 memory over common & resonable 3200MHz ddr4 memory. Great work. Thank you❤
If its anything like 6700k vs 4790k DDR4 vs DDR3 they will be almost the same, until DDR5 speeds start pulling ahead in 12-18 months. Except those were both 4c8t instead of changed core counts too.
We still need to see how AMD will improve or not with ddr5, seeing as they are chiplet designs. AMD may see a massive performance improvement from DDR5. But only time will tell I guess
@Patrick Swan did u just say cpu and ram are never the bottleneck? Idk where you got your infos from but thats far from the truth. Modern games in 1080p are still cpu bound games. Only when we go up to 1440p cpu and ram start to matter less. A good ram kit (tuned/overclocked) can definitely yield you alot of performance youre otherwise missing out on in CPU bound scenarios
Sadly there is only 1 ITX Board available here...One from ASUS. That one is only with DDR5 and cost 3x times as much as my Gigabyte B560I Aorus Pro AX ITX Board...
If you're only gaming and with intels next gen cpus meant to still support ddr4, Id say wait a gen or two before upgrading to ddr5 so that it has time to mature, brings down prices and improves speed / latency. Remember, DDR4 started out at 2400mhz and super expensive while it ended at 3200 mhz base and upwards of 4000+ mhz
Very smart advice, IMO. But watch out for the folks building computers for a living, coming in here to tell you that "the concept of future-proofing hasn't changed nor should it change". 😂😂😂😂
Thanks, that was really helpful n informative, well worth watching and answered all the questions I had wondered about with DDR5. Always pleased to find a new channel that answers the questions I have in a clear way I can understand, thanks again!
I was expecting to see tests with a proper DDR4 3800CL14 or 4000CL16 kit. You can get a G.Skill Ripjaws V 32GB dual rank kit 4000CL17 B-die kit for $220.
20% faster isn't worth 200% the price, or a placebo effect of 0 to 15% perf uplift. A OC ddr4 vram set at 4000 to 5000 MHz would be similar, but lower latency is more important than faster speed.
It's the architecture not the frequency or the timings. Ddr5 is a completely different beast from ddr4. It's equivalent to the difference between SD ram and DDR. Once the timing tighten up around second wave possibly even third wave ddr4 won't be able to hold a candle to ddr5.
Cas latency alone doesn't tell the whole story. Two independent channels per dimm and same bank refresh mean you can get lower latency through parallelism.
I'd rather not be stuck with the lower end features if the DDR4 motherboards. I'm just hoping for raptor lake the socket compatibility is maintained and we can get better DDR5 support.
I did the same, the 4800Mhz weren't much more than the 3600Mhz DDR4 and I can upgrade later when DDR5 is over 6000 and affordable since my mobo supports DDR5.
This is just like how DDR4 was when it released. I personally feel as though if you go with Alder Lake, you should go with DDR5 Ram to avoid replacing your motherboard later down the line. Although it will be interesting to see how DDR4-4000 CL14-CL16 compares to DDR5 and also DDR5 Ram with lower latency will definitely be exciting to see. Nice video as always.
The Z690 probably has only one upgrade path remaining. For the 15th gen, you are gonna need a new Intel motherboard and DDR5 will be more refined and efficient then.
@@purplecrayon7281 The thing is you can always sell DDR5 ram when there are new kit, while you upgrade to newer gen at least you can still use old DDR5 kit. But if you bough DDR4 motherboard, you will stuck at gen 12 or gen 13, upgrading to gen 14 which has new socket will force you to sell both motherboard and ram which ended up cost you more money when upgrading.
Thinking like splurge on the board with high oc capabilities and chip first. Then use the current ddr5 basic ram at 16g or more then upgrade later to 6000 or 6600 when available
I really am scratching my head with this launch! On top of shitty shortages and poor information on various aspects of this launch, we have an important new advancement which is the RAM. However, the vast majority of tech sites seem to be showing how out of touch they are with joe consumer. Why are they comparing the new DDR5 kits with dog shit DDR4 no one is building an Alder Lake system with?! What am I supposed to do with that info?! Oh look, the RAM I had in my system 2 rigs ago vs new DDR5 ........ cool?
Title is accurate 👌 it'll need time to develop just like ddr4 going from 2133 to 3600 at the same voltage as it aged and improved, better ddr5 will come and I as an early adopter expect equal or worse performance
Not sure why I felt compelled to write this but you are doing a great job with your channel. With the wide assortment of tech streamers your channel just hits the mark more with me. Your content asks and answers the questions I have about the products I am interested in. I even went a step further and followed along to your Gpro switch upgrade video which I also modded and it was once of the best upgrades I have done to my setup in the past year. Mind you I am one person in a large viewing audience. I do hope this helps you with concerns of the content and or direction of your channel. For me you hit the nail on the head every time, keep grinding. I hope to see the numbers here match the excellent quality of the content and production of your videos. Thank you
I'm in a difficult spot, I'm building a new PC and want it to be upgradable in the future, so I want AM5 and DDR5 mobo... but the prices are just insane at the moment...
Just purchased 12900k and had to stick with ddr4 4x8gb patriot 4000mhz cl16 kit, since there there are boards with ddr5 support, but ddr5 modules are nowhere to be found in almost any shop, and the prices are extremely high. But I still kinda feel that I bought something old when the “newer” tech is somewhat available. Or maybe I’m just going out of my mind?
@Krisroffer Pettersson w-what? You know how parts work? If you have it... You can build it, then.... Take it apart and... Nvm. Bro I'm team AMD but jfc chill out. I just wanna see a TH-camr build a PC with the fastest parts available, which is asking for very little when he already has the parts in his hand.... Not to mention said computer would greatly improve his productivity as he has said in his last video where it cuts a very significant amount of video editing time on his RAW videocuts.
Regardless of marginal performance gains, its smarter to get ddr5 motherboard with the 12th gen cpu as you will have an upgrade path. If you stick to ddr4, you will have to upgrade your motherboard to go ddr5 later down the road.
@@CaptainScorpio24 Motherboards won't. z690 motherboards will only support ddr4 or ddr5. So if you want to go either DDR4 or DDR5, you are stuck with the motherboard.
@@retrocomputingI don't think the next batch of Ryzen processors are going to be that much better (if at all) than Alder lake. Looks more like parity between the two. Intel is (finally) moving to a new manufacturing process rather than keep beating the 12nm dead horse. The next gen Ryzen seems to be an iterative improvement.
It would be my dream for a 12-13th gen i5 with Iris Xe G7 on the desktop. It's such a disruptive segment, both Intel and AMD could kill off xx50 series dedicated GPUs if they felt like it. One day :)))
@@TheNortical Small Brain: Fuck Off Grammar Nazi Big Brain: there you go my dude and thanks for not letting me continue with that faulty spelling for the foreseeable future :D
Really wish you included a better DDR4 kit. Those of us building new rigs are not using 3200, or gaming at 1080p for that matter. Yes I know the reason for typically showing lower res benches, but its not realistic either. Would still be nice to see actual comparisons to actual realistic scenarios.
Great video, although I think you shouldnt just compare the price of DDR4 vs DDR5, but compare the difference within your whole system. $150 vs $300 might seems like a clear cut for DDR4, but when you factor in a $650 i9, a $300 mainboard and other system components (like a $2k RTX 3080 for example), suddenly the extra $150 for the DDR5 kit doesnt seem too bad. It all depends on what you are spending in total. And if you go with DDR5 your upgrade options in the future might also be better. Lets say in two years you want to upgrade to 64GB of RAM? DDR5 will most likely be cheaper and a lot faster by then. But ofc only if you are someone who upgrades regularly. I just think there isnt a blanket statement like "get DDR4" or "get DDR5", it depends on every case individually.
For 300$ on motherboard, there is not very much to choose from. Many manufacturers have their midrange at 400$-600$ and up. I have trouble understanding why 690 is so expensive, while bringing very little other than a socket you can put Rocket Lake in. Its not a server chipset, not LGA2011 or x299, this is mainstream cards ? I am not paying 500$ for a usb-c output. The i9-12900k is impressive, but with zero ddr5 availability, i think i will just wait for Zen4, and that will probably give intel a serious headache. I think z690 is overpriced as sh*t.
Not sure where you're get this "$150" difference from. On the rare occasions I have seen DDR5 available, even bottom shelf stuff, it is AT LEAST double the cost of decent DDR4 (IE: $200 to $300 32gb 16/16/16/36 3600 or better) and more often closer to 4x-5x the $. Even at eBay, about the only place you are always able to actually find something available, 16gb of basic run of the mill DDR5 with pretty bad timing/speeds is easily $600 to $900. Any brand name that may have a decent rep and/or timings/speed are up into 4 $ digits, often over $2000. PLEASE.... link me these DDR5 kits that are only '$150' more($300 to $500), if it's actually any good I'd like to buy a handful.... Thanks in advance
You should go Ddr5 so you can follow the upgrade. Ddr5 is just coming out and if you buy a new board that ddr4 you’re going to need a new mother board and ram
I'd like to add that most ddr5 cards are still more expensive, but i found that the double slotted 16gb card from hyperX at 5200Mhz being around 40 bucks more expensive than a good set of for example G. Skill Trident or Ripjaws, 16gb at 3200Mhz is worth it. If going for a 1700 motherboard for 12th gen intel support and can get it for a decent price, then it should be a factor to consider having support for these cards which might be around for another 7 years...
I don’t understand how or why my bios went back to 1998 looking text and graphics yet this bios on this video still looks modern. Had Click Bios 5 at one point, updated and went backwards
hello, do you think that this current problem / limit of ddr5 is more related to Intel 12 gen processors that fail AND WILL NOT be able to work and not to "express" the maximum potential of these ddr5 RAMs (also considering the moment in which they were designed , when ddr5 were practically only on paper), or do you believe that it is the ddr5 technology itself (identified and taken individually without considering hardware around) that is too "immature" and that, therefore, we are the same ddr5 models, currently released on the market, to not be up to it yet? and, for the same reasoning, models of ddr5 that will come out later will also work well on Intel 12 gen processors, and there will be no need for future generations of processors (from Intel 13 gen onwards) to see the ddr5 working for the less better than the ddr4 with a noteworthy performance jump? What do you think is the most correct concept objectively speaking? If you are more in agreement with the first thing mentioned what improvement leads you to think that the next processors will work better with ddr5 (cache, core, frequency etc ...) and how we can identify, based on these specifications in particular, a Intel 12 gen CPU "better suited" to ddr5 (maybe it has more cache, for example). Same thing for ddr5 motherboards, what do you advise us to look at more with respect to compatibility and optimization which, perhaps (my guess), may vary from model to model, perhaps the maximum frequencies supported, and even here you believe that the maximum frequency limit supported by all the 12 gen cpu (max 4800MHz) represent a limit for a user who does rendering, programming and uses heavy software (also in view of the future progress on ddr5)?
The strix Z690-A seems to be exactly the same as the Z690-E and Z690-F just it does not support ddr5 and also has WiFi 6 instead of WiFi 6e so probably one of the best ddr4 motherboards
@@SpacehotelMusic Oh nice, yeah I'm using it with a 12700kf 16gb of 4000mhz cl19 and its great. I was gonna go for a 12900kf but deepcool said it would take two weeks to get the lga 1700 mounting kit so I just sold it and bought a NZXT Z73 which is great. overclocked so it draws like 240w and only about 80 degrees which is pretty damn impressive considering the wattage. But I did not want to spend another £170 to get a 12900kf on top of the £270 cooler
Hi Optimum Tech, can you do a monitor round up ahead of Black Friday. Would be really interested to see your opinions on all the new monitors you've covered this year and what you would recommend for each persons scenario (games they play, pc specs etc). I'm currently rocking a 9700k, rtx 2080 windforce OC and a Acer Predator XB271HU. suits me well but want to get an upgrade and future proof a bit.
@@MrDamonLeBeouf i found out it's a new one from MSI: th-cam.com/video/7YWC2ROAfyw/w-d-xo.html (this is a german video, but at 2:24 you can see the cooler). Hope it helps you. :)
Well, isn't this where we are in general? Everything is just incremental upgrades. We're not going to see huge leaps like we did 20+ years ago. I don't know why anyone expects new technology to blow "old" tech out of the water.
Yes, it was the worst buy out of all the Ryzen 5000 series CPU:s, cos of the price per core it had. That's why we all went for 5600x or 5900x and nobody has it :D
IS DDR5 hardware just not there yet? Or is the performance software based? If I do a DDR5 build can I look forward to future updates that will increase the prowess or will I need to buy newer DDR5 hardware down the line to reap the benefits?
Its not software based, wait until the DDR5 hardware and tech mature over the next year with much faster kits and lower latency hopefully before making the jump, it just doesn't seem worth the cost yet.
pretty off-topic but could you maybe make a video about the pcie 4.0 riser cables ?? I've heared that they are pretty bad for your gpu but you seem to still use them always anyways..
So I'm about to build a new system based around a 12900k and my existing kit has Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 running at 3000Mhz & C15-17-16-35. How much real performance loss would I see if I reused this, as opposed to buying new LPX at 3600Mhz & C16-18-18-36 (or even DDR5 as was my original expectation)?
You should think about CL14 RAM to be honest CL15/16 is pretty slow so I wouldn't pair that with 12900k, it just doesn't make sense.. 4000MHz, CL14 with 7ns latency is probably the best RAM to get.
@@Spoonuk666 I've been looking, but pretty much all of what I'm seeing is between C15 and 17. I've been checking out Aria Scan and Overclockers in the UK.
Honestly, i think we are all fine with DDR4 (it has matured and it has been tested extensively). The issue with DDR4 is that you can't have BOTH the high-end Z690 board features and DDR4 memory support. But paying the premium for the handful of Z690 boards that support DDR4 and that are essentially the same as their Z590 predecessors but with LGA 1700 sockets is just straight up bullshit. Best course of action is to wait for more DDR5 memory restocks because that seems more likely than waiting for high-end Z690 boards that support DDR4 (which is not optimistic as there would be no incentive to buy DDR5 boards otherwise).
Thank you for acknowledging why there are so few options out there for DDR4 boards that work with Z690 chipsets. It's nothing more than a way to sell expensive RAM that is (a) not in stock, (b) is hyper expensive and (c) hasn't matured. It's all about embracing an unknown future, not improving a known past, for greedy corporations.
Where is this gear 1, gear 2, this is only for newer motherboard right ? Because I have almost a year trying to get 0 stutter from my Crucial Ballistix 3200mhz and i5-9400f on my gigabyte Z390m gaming
Living with a "cheap" DDR5 kit (e.g. 2x8 GB 4800 DDR5) then opting to upgrade later in the generation is a decent option since it's about half the price of a new motherboard. Specifically if you're already getting a new CPU/Motherboard and want to upgrade to DDR5, but don't want to pay $500 for a kit that'll become obsolete almost immediately.
So if the ddr4 4000 is able to run at 1:1 with the Imc why do we not to see anything that 3200 here? Think I have Answered my question myself, super hard to get my 12700k to even boot above 3800 at gear 1.
thnx for the vid!!! gotta quick question, bought a 5600x and got new ram didn't realize it was c19 32gb=4x8gb@3600mhz and i wish the guy explained to me how this worked, bt i found out that c19 sucks and is it worth selling these kits and get a c16??? would the performance gain be worth the trouble? any help would be appreciated ty.
Considering the high cost of a DDR5 motherboard over a DDR4 board I get the feeling the DDR5 manufacturers have jumped on the GPU over-priced bandwagon and just thought they'd add a zero on the end of the price of a stick. Just like GPU's currently, DDR5 offers as good value for money. (like none whatsoever.)
Fantastic title for this one!!
way better than the clickbait LTT bullshit
I thought it meant don't buy DDR4, title could be improved but the meaning is great.
@@ervin9805 ltt saying ddr5 is here and he's got one. What's the clickbait there ?
@@pangtundure Ye I also would like to know. Having a thumbnail with you smiling at the ram doesnt make it clickbait
@@GTRKT-qr5sf I do not know what you mean , but smile at someone doesn't mean it's clickbait , I got excited as it was DDr5 and I have a system with DDr3. LTT video was more detailed clearly and each and everyone clearly has their own ways of doing things.
I love watching your stuff but half of the time it's a lot of nosebleed for me but they're just so structured so well. Keep up the good work my man!
why u have nosebleed wtf
There's one extremely good value DDR4 Samsung B-Die kit if you don't need RGB: the Patriot Viper Steel 4400Mhz CL19. It's something like $100 USD/$130 AUD including tax for 2x 8gb and people have managed to run it at 4000 CL15 or 3600 CL14 etc. I run mine at 3800 16-16-16-34 because I can't be bothered min/maxing it, very nice performance for the same price as much slower kits.
I run it at 3666cl14.
Can you let me know your build? Im wanting to do a mini itx build with a 12700k and the ram you mentioned. Do you have a motherboard to recommend as well as other parts?
Unfortunately this wasn't the big jump in performance that most people were hoping for, we'll have to wait for modules to get cheaper and faster
True
Actually it is bigger than most informed people are. We were expecting it to be worse or on par at time of release and mature and get better in the months and years to follow.
@@FURYBrenton it's on slightly above par, but in my opinion not worth that price tag
@@DTG4844 Of course not, nobody expected it to be. The expectation was over twice the price and less or on par performance.
I expected it to be slightly slower due to the crazy high timings.
First time in your channel I left a like because the title was incredible it tells you what you need to know right away. Short video and straight to the point, no asking for likes, subscribes, no annoying sponsor ads, just straight to what matters in a simplistic title that does not demand you to stay in the whole video just to get the answer at the end like every channel does. Respect man.
Haha they all do that coz thats they are tpught to do. I hate everyone going "if you didnt subscribe yet do it, dont forget to subscribe, dont forget to hit that like button" etc. 😂😂😂 as if it was something that you have/should do or something you planned or was planned for you as forna child so you dont forget. 99% of them idiots do that and thats why they dont get likes nor subscriptions especiwlly from me. Even some I liked to watch started going dont forget this dont forget that hot subscribe and like is at the very begging of the videos. The only few I was giving likes and was subscribing I unsunscribed and stopepd giving likes
TH-cam used to be like this... :(
In fact, before 8/10 minute monetization, every video was straight to the point, barely any intros, or if their was a normal length intro, you better believe the video was long and dense,. and if there was an ad, posters taught other posters to stick it at the end of their videos.
@@badreality2 Reading that made me sad :((( Thanks for a reminder of the golden years though!
I recently started watching your channel and have been watching all of ur previous videos. I really like the brief info that u provide in the video. Keep it up.
Welcome to the channel! He's really good at presenting things quickly and getting straight to the point plus he also focuses mainly on sffpcs which is nice for us in the community because you don't find many TH-camrs that zero in on that.
Been watching your content for the past week. Excellent stuff. Subscribed!
I just wanted to come and say how grateful I am you've added Siege to your benchmarks. It's the only game I play where my frames/latency really matter, and reliable data on the performance of different kinds of kit is very sparse.
True! I like seeing those too as I'm big on FPS titles. But here's some nerd information I just picked up (unfortunately). I essentially just found out that your router's BIOS can also have a HUGE impact on most fast paced, competitive shooters. Granted, this wouldn't be affecting your frames or input latency, however, it can cause desynchronization with the server and can cause server latency (but I'm not yet sure if your computer is receiving updates from the server slower or if it's sending data to the server at a slower pace). Downgrading my router's BIOS yesterday resolved this problem. But I'll still be getting a 12900K to soup up my build even more, haha.
So TL;DR:
Try updating and downgrading your router's BIOS and see if you notice a difference. I'm big into fast paced, FPS titles and had been wondering why I started getting smacked for the past few months lol. Crazy stuff.
If latency matters, there is much you can do yourself. Lower your graphics settings. Match FPS to screen/remove vsync/cap framerate at screen refresh, use Vulcan, use port forwarding, use a 5 Ghz channel on wifi, use the nearest/lowest ping server.
All of which comes long before DDR5.
Great video from down under.
Cheers m8.
If you're running single-rank modules (like those 8Gbit 1Rx8 ones), it's likely that the Gear1 'tolerance' is increased from previous gen to around 3866-4000 MT/s- ish (from the Rocket Lake's 3600 - 3733 MT/s), and some lucky memory controller I saw get up to 4266MT/s Gear 1(not sure if there is going to be many like this though).
Running Dual-rank modules is quite a bit harder though, still not sure where is the ceiling yet (also need many cpu samples, I only got 3 at this point).
As for DDR4 Gear2, I would assume running 4800CL20 Gear2 is the starting point where the bandwidth compensate for latency, lots of Hynix DJR 8Gbit 1Rx8 Kit was capable to run this speed for daily.
Keep up the good work btw, looking forward to more videos :)
Framechasers managed to run a 4000MHz 32GB dual rank kit in gear 1. th-cam.com/video/zIfjzTRNK2Y/w-d-xo.html
Wihhh, ada om alva😁
Hey Alva,
can i run this RAM Kit G.Skill Trident Z Royal silver DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR4-4000, CL17-17-17-37 (F4-4000C17Q-32GTRS) at Gear1 with i9 12900k CPU? or is this duel rank modules? i have 4 sticks with 8gb each. Thanks for your help!
@@reijhinru1474 8GB sticks will be 99% single rank, for dual rank you need 16GB sticks generally speaking..
I stand behind this man
I went for a Z690 motherboard which runs on DDR4 memory. Especially because DDR5 is very hard to get in my country in Europe, and costs currently as much as a Strix Motherboard with a Z690 chipset for only 16 GB.
So I run a Intel 12700k with 64 GB DDR4 3200 mhz memory, and its still very fast too me.
Well unlike you I got ddr5 32 gbs same cpu
@@zombiefirebot6066 Back in 2017 I was someone who jumped onto Ryzen 1700 and got to experience the joys of beta-testing that mess. I'm scared to death of trying Alder Lake with DDR5 since it sounds more like paying extra money to beta-test what should be going into Raptor Lake, just like how the 5800x3d is basically beta-testing what is going into the next gen AMD stuff. Unfortunately, my PC replacement timeline seems to be "welcome to the early adopter phase!" as I'm now at the point of wanting to get a new gaming PC, and I'm in a crypto crash after a massive GPU price bonanza.
I guess I am cursed to relive the beta-testing crypto nightmare of 2016-2017 all over again with some inflation on top to make it even sweeter. :(
@@Yurikan no one asked
I guess I am just saying in a round-a-bout way that I'm jealous of your DDR5 Alder Lake build working without a hitch. :P
@@Yurikan ok
thank you for this , i almost bought a new rig with DDR5 memory.
a sub and a like from me for this effort .
I think “for now” is the most important thing you said in this video. Keep in mind that most of your viewers will be keeping their hardware for 3-5 years, or even longer. Firmware/Bios/software/application updates will absolutely make better use of the DDR5 memory as time goes on. I don’t think this is a time to change the usual philosophy of future proofing your PC components as much as your budget allows when you build a new machine or upgrade your existing one, and that means buying DDR5 to go with your Alder Lake chips. Worst case, you need to upgrade your motherboard in a year or two if the one you buy now doesn’t get Gear 1 support through updates, but that’s still better than needing to upgrade your mobo AND memory in a year or two if you buy DDR4 and a supporting mobo now. Those will never get updated for better performance and no one will want to buy them on the used market after DDR5 stuff has matured.
But with the so so performance of the introductory ddr5 modules most will want to replace the ddr5 modules to better faster, more mature memory in 12-18 months anyway.
Considering also that the difference in price on the ddr4 mb and buying much cheaper ddr4 now will pretty much save you the cost of a future mb upgrade now.
And one thing that is speculating is that more than likely when Raptor Lake launches in q4 2022 there may well be a z790 chipset motherboard released that will improve on performance and have a better memory controller as well as that will be getting to the time frame of better memory and maybe more reasonable ddr5 pricing.
If a person was planning a mb/ddr5 upgrade anyway then going to the new chipset would be much less painful than wanting to replace a much higher launch era ddr5 mb because of possible massive performance improvements.
I think for the average user and even more so a gamer going ddr4 right now is the best option.
Save the upgrade path to ddr5 till next year after it has had time to mature and really get better.
Disagree. Any smart consumer will wait until things are ironed out, and costs come down. Do you build computers for a living?
Nice review Ali, as always ! Thx for sharing !
Unsurprisingly, increased memory bandwidth only matters if you actually need it, like video encoding. DDR5 might be interesting for the performance of integrated GPUs, could be worth testing that?
I thought you were going to show numbers with DDR4 4000 at Gear 1 since you mentioned it can run at that speed?
That 4000C15 kit you used in some previous memory tuning video, why not try that with 12900K?
Would love to see how a tuned b-die kit would perform :)
@@rahulravishankar3152 Why do you assume that, I am currently at 4133mhz cl 16 on my 12900k gear 1 and I have better results (fps) than this reviewer.
@@Cora630 lucky you got a good chip
@@Cora630 show screen please
The kit I have is only single rank, so performance isn’t that amazing.
Maybe some select CPUs from this generation can do that(4000 mhz at Gear 1)...
Bro this content is so professional!
This is an excellent comparison to understand in which scenario someone can actually be benefitted from a higher clocked ddr5 memory over common & resonable 3200MHz ddr4 memory.
Great work. Thank you❤
If its anything like 6700k vs 4790k DDR4 vs DDR3 they will be almost the same, until DDR5 speeds start pulling ahead in 12-18 months.
Except those were both 4c8t instead of changed core counts too.
We still need to see how AMD will improve or not with ddr5, seeing as they are chiplet designs. AMD may see a massive performance improvement from DDR5. But only time will tell I guess
@Patrick Swan did u just say cpu and ram are never the bottleneck? Idk where you got your infos from but thats far from the truth. Modern games in 1080p are still cpu bound games. Only when we go up to 1440p cpu and ram start to matter less. A good ram kit (tuned/overclocked) can definitely yield you alot of performance youre otherwise missing out on in CPU bound scenarios
Great comparison!
Thank you for making this video!
Sadly there is only 1 ITX Board available here...One from ASUS. That one is only with DDR5 and cost 3x times as much as my Gigabyte B560I Aorus Pro AX ITX Board...
Gigabyte has a z690 itx board that is DDR4
Alder lake in sff isn’t something I think too many people are going to try to do just yet at least, give it time tho
If you're only gaming and with intels next gen cpus meant to still support ddr4, Id say wait a gen or two before upgrading to ddr5 so that it has time to mature, brings down prices and improves speed / latency.
Remember, DDR4 started out at 2400mhz and super expensive while it ended at 3200 mhz base and upwards of 4000+ mhz
Very smart advice, IMO. But watch out for the folks building computers for a living, coming in here to tell you that "the concept of future-proofing hasn't changed nor should it change". 😂😂😂😂
Thanks, that was really helpful n informative, well worth watching and answered all the questions I had wondered about with DDR5. Always pleased to find a new channel that answers the questions I have in a clear way I can understand, thanks again!
I was expecting to see tests with a proper DDR4 3800CL14 or 4000CL16 kit. You can get a G.Skill Ripjaws V 32GB dual rank kit 4000CL17 B-die kit for $220.
Same here
20% faster isn't worth 200% the price, or a placebo effect of 0 to 15% perf uplift.
A OC ddr4 vram set at 4000 to 5000 MHz would be similar, but lower latency is more important than faster speed.
It's the architecture not the frequency or the timings. Ddr5 is a completely different beast from ddr4. It's equivalent to the difference between SD ram and DDR.
Once the timing tighten up around second wave possibly even third wave ddr4 won't be able to hold a candle to ddr5.
Cas latency alone doesn't tell the whole story. Two independent channels per dimm and same bank refresh mean you can get lower latency through parallelism.
I'd rather not be stuck with the lower end features if the DDR4 motherboards. I'm just hoping for raptor lake the socket compatibility is maintained and we can get better DDR5 support.
When I ordered my new board I figured why not go DDR5? I ordered a 16gb 4800 mhz kit from Corsair for just over $100. Seemed fairly reasonable to me.
I did the same, the 4800Mhz weren't much more than the 3600Mhz DDR4 and I can upgrade later when DDR5 is over 6000 and affordable since my mobo supports DDR5.
This is just like how DDR4 was when it released. I personally feel as though if you go with Alder Lake, you should go with DDR5 Ram to avoid replacing your motherboard later down the line. Although it will be interesting to see how DDR4-4000 CL14-CL16 compares to DDR5 and also DDR5 Ram with lower latency will definitely be exciting to see. Nice video as always.
The Z690 probably has only one upgrade path remaining. For the 15th gen, you are gonna need a new Intel motherboard and DDR5 will be more refined and efficient then.
@@purplecrayon7281 yeah by then you will need to upgrade anyway but still worth noting
@@purplecrayon7281 The thing is you can always sell DDR5 ram when there are new kit, while you upgrade to newer gen at least you can still use old DDR5 kit. But if you bough DDR4 motherboard, you will stuck at gen 12 or gen 13, upgrading to gen 14 which has new socket will force you to sell both motherboard and ram which ended up cost you more money when upgrading.
Thinking like splurge on the board with high oc capabilities and chip first. Then use the current ddr5 basic ram at 16g or more then upgrade later to 6000 or 6600 when available
I really am scratching my head with this launch! On top of shitty shortages and poor information on various aspects of this launch, we have an important new advancement which is the RAM. However, the vast majority of tech sites seem to be showing how out of touch they are with joe consumer. Why are they comparing the new DDR5 kits with dog shit DDR4 no one is building an Alder Lake system with?! What am I supposed to do with that info?!
Oh look, the RAM I had in my system 2 rigs ago vs new DDR5 ........ cool?
Title is accurate 👌 it'll need time to develop just like ddr4 going from 2133 to 3600 at the same voltage as it aged and improved, better ddr5 will come and I as an early adopter expect equal or worse performance
I'm doing ddr5. I dont want to replace the motherboard in the future
Not sure why I felt compelled to write this but you are doing a great job with your channel. With the wide assortment of tech streamers your channel just hits the mark more with me. Your content asks and answers the questions I have about the products I am interested in. I even went a step further and followed along to your Gpro switch upgrade video which I also modded and it was once of the best upgrades I have done to my setup in the past year. Mind you I am one person in a large viewing audience. I do hope this helps you with concerns of the content and or direction of your channel. For me you hit the nail on the head every time, keep grinding. I hope to see the numbers here match the excellent quality of the content and production of your videos. Thank you
Why do I get the feeling .... 😕😕😕😕😕
thought this was the new disclosure ep in the background at first
great content as usual
I'm in a difficult spot, I'm building a new PC and want it to be upgradable in the future, so I want AM5 and DDR5 mobo... but the prices are just insane at the moment...
Just purchased 12900k and had to stick with ddr4 4x8gb patriot 4000mhz cl16 kit, since there there are boards with ddr5 support, but ddr5 modules are nowhere to be found in almost any shop, and the prices are extremely high. But I still kinda feel that I bought something old when the “newer” tech is somewhat available. Or maybe I’m just going out of my mind?
1:35 what kind of Aio is that?
Can't wait for your video on the NEW most powerful video editing build with a i9-12900k, the new DDR5 and motherboard, and a 3090!!!
@Krisroffer Pettersson I mean he quite fucking literally already has said equipment...
@Krisroffer Pettersson it's still fun to see tho
@Krisroffer Pettersson w-what? You know how parts work? If you have it... You can build it, then.... Take it apart and... Nvm. Bro I'm team AMD but jfc chill out. I just wanna see a TH-camr build a PC with the fastest parts available, which is asking for very little when he already has the parts in his hand.... Not to mention said computer would greatly improve his productivity as he has said in his last video where it cuts a very significant amount of video editing time on his RAW videocuts.
Regardless of marginal performance gains, its smarter to get ddr5 motherboard with the 12th gen cpu as you will have an upgrade path. If you stick to ddr4, you will have to upgrade your motherboard to go ddr5 later down the road.
It's smarter to wait for the Ryzen refresh either way
wat ?
cpus will obviously support ddr4 standard uoto 3 gen as said by intel ..like amd am4
@@retrocomputing you’ll always be waiting for the next gen from both sides
@@CaptainScorpio24 Motherboards won't. z690 motherboards will only support ddr4 or ddr5.
So if you want to go either DDR4 or DDR5, you are stuck with the motherboard.
@@retrocomputingI don't think the next batch of Ryzen processors are going to be that much better (if at all) than Alder lake. Looks more like parity between the two.
Intel is (finally) moving to a new manufacturing process rather than keep beating the 12nm dead horse. The next gen Ryzen seems to be an iterative improvement.
The transcode performance might explain why Apple Silicon is so good with video editing. The unified memory system.
Have you seen the new teenage engineering case? Looks really cool.
That case sold out in minutes :(
I wait for your videos on the important stuff, nice title.
I just wanna see APUs a year from now, maybe there will finally be no need for a dedi gpu with 1080p - albeit in competitive titles - gaming
It would be my dream for a 12-13th gen i5 with Iris Xe G7 on the desktop.
It's such a disruptive segment, both Intel and AMD could kill off xx50 series dedicated GPUs if they felt like it.
One day :)))
albeit*, not all be it.
The more you know.
@@rustler08 there you go my dude and thanks for not letting me continue with that faulty spelling for the foreseeable future :D
@@TheNortical Small Brain: Fuck Off Grammar Nazi
Big Brain: there you go my dude and thanks for not letting me continue with that faulty spelling for the foreseeable future :D
I'm seeing a topre keyboard on the desk, hope you'll review it!
Actually for gaming DDR5 would be useful for APUs, surprised you didn’t mention that.
If your buying ddr5 just for APU gaming, there might be a problem lol.
I am glad DDR5 came out. DDR4 price dropped where I live. I can finally upgrade.
Really wish you included a better DDR4 kit. Those of us building new rigs are not using 3200, or gaming at 1080p for that matter. Yes I know the reason for typically showing lower res benches, but its not realistic either. Would still be nice to see actual comparisons to actual realistic scenarios.
Great video, although I think you shouldnt just compare the price of DDR4 vs DDR5, but compare the difference within your whole system. $150 vs $300 might seems like a clear cut for DDR4, but when you factor in a $650 i9, a $300 mainboard and other system components (like a $2k RTX 3080 for example), suddenly the extra $150 for the DDR5 kit doesnt seem too bad. It all depends on what you are spending in total.
And if you go with DDR5 your upgrade options in the future might also be better. Lets say in two years you want to upgrade to 64GB of RAM? DDR5 will most likely be cheaper and a lot faster by then. But ofc only if you are someone who upgrades regularly. I just think there isnt a blanket statement like "get DDR4" or "get DDR5", it depends on every case individually.
Right on. You've always got to look at total cost.
@High yield , Man I love your videos
For 300$ on motherboard, there is not very much to choose from. Many manufacturers have their midrange at 400$-600$ and up. I have trouble understanding why 690 is so expensive, while bringing very little other than a socket you can put Rocket Lake in. Its not a server chipset, not LGA2011 or x299, this is mainstream cards ?
I am not paying 500$ for a usb-c output. The i9-12900k is impressive, but with zero ddr5 availability, i think i will just wait for Zen4, and that will probably give intel a serious headache.
I think z690 is overpriced as sh*t.
Not sure where you're get this "$150" difference from. On the rare occasions I have seen DDR5 available, even bottom shelf stuff, it is AT LEAST double the cost of decent DDR4 (IE: $200 to $300 32gb 16/16/16/36 3600 or better) and more often closer to 4x-5x the $. Even at eBay, about the only place you are always able to actually find something available, 16gb of basic run of the mill DDR5 with pretty bad timing/speeds is easily $600 to $900. Any brand name that may have a decent rep and/or timings/speed are up into 4 $ digits, often over $2000.
PLEASE.... link me these DDR5 kits that are only '$150' more($300 to $500), if it's actually any good I'd like to buy a handful.... Thanks in advance
You should go Ddr5 so you can follow the upgrade. Ddr5 is just coming out and if you buy a new board that ddr4 you’re going to need a new mother board and ram
Exactly... Just upgrade the DDR5 Ram when a much faster one comes, say the year 2024 and keep the system till 2027 or 2028.
Great video, got me subbed. I'll check if you have updated this yet.
The prices are similar now so there seems to be no reason not to go for the next gen ddr5. Games will soon enough be able to take advantage of it.
I'd like to add that most ddr5 cards are still more expensive, but i found that the double slotted 16gb card from hyperX at 5200Mhz being around 40 bucks more expensive than a good set of for example G. Skill Trident or Ripjaws, 16gb at 3200Mhz is worth it. If going for a 1700 motherboard for 12th gen intel support and can get it for a decent price, then it should be a factor to consider having support for these cards which might be around for another 7 years...
I don’t understand how or why my bios went back to 1998 looking text and graphics yet this bios on this video still looks modern. Had Click Bios 5 at one point, updated and went backwards
Hey, could you drop us a link to that awesome cloud wallpaper? Love your vids!
I just want to know when these Samsung B-Die DDR5 sticks will be available.
Please show the performance with 2x16gb ddr4 at 4000c15!
DDR 5 is pretty much the same price as 4, 120 dollars in Denmark for 16 gigs 6khz, don´t see any reason not to pick it up.
hello, do you think that this current problem / limit of ddr5 is more related to Intel 12 gen processors that fail AND WILL NOT be able to work and not to "express" the maximum potential of these ddr5 RAMs (also considering the moment in which they were designed , when ddr5 were practically only on paper), or do you believe that it is the ddr5 technology itself (identified and taken individually without considering hardware around) that is too "immature" and that, therefore, we are the same ddr5 models, currently released on the market, to not be up to it yet? and, for the same reasoning, models of ddr5 that will come out later will also work well on Intel 12 gen processors, and there will be no need for future generations of processors (from Intel 13 gen onwards) to see the ddr5 working for the less better than the ddr4 with a noteworthy performance jump? What do you think is the most correct concept objectively speaking? If you are more in agreement with the first thing mentioned what improvement leads you to think that the next processors will work better with ddr5 (cache, core, frequency etc ...) and how we can identify, based on these specifications in particular, a Intel 12 gen CPU "better suited" to ddr5 (maybe it has more cache, for example). Same thing for ddr5 motherboards, what do you advise us to look at more with respect to compatibility and optimization which, perhaps (my guess), may vary from model to model, perhaps the maximum frequencies supported, and even here you believe that the maximum frequency limit supported by all the 12 gen cpu (max 4800MHz) represent a limit for a user who does rendering, programming and uses heavy software (also in view of the future progress on ddr5)?
whats the AIO in the video there?
At the first graphs 02:00 u meant i9 as well an the bottom two, arent you?
Right now, G.Skill has 4000c14 kits, how would be compare to the current DDR5 kits?
4000 at cl14 wipes the floor with ddr5... there is no doubt about that specially at gear 1!
The strix Z690-A seems to be exactly the same as the Z690-E and Z690-F just it does not support ddr5 and also has WiFi 6 instead of WiFi 6e so probably one of the best ddr4 motherboards
that's the one i've got (with 12900k), working great here with 420 AIO (temps 79 degs max)
@@SpacehotelMusic Oh nice, yeah I'm using it with a 12700kf 16gb of 4000mhz cl19 and its great. I was gonna go for a 12900kf but deepcool said it would take two weeks to get the lga 1700 mounting kit so I just sold it and bought a NZXT Z73 which is great. overclocked so it draws like 240w and only about 80 degrees which is pretty damn impressive considering the wattage. But I did not want to spend another £170 to get a 12900kf on top of the £270 cooler
Hi Optimum Tech, can you do a monitor round up ahead of Black Friday. Would be really interested to see your opinions on all the new monitors you've covered this year and what you would recommend for each persons scenario (games they play, pc specs etc). I'm currently rocking a 9700k, rtx 2080 windforce OC and a Acer Predator XB271HU. suits me well but want to get an upgrade and future proof a bit.
Why you have small amount of subs?? you are doing very good!
What about 4400mhz ram versus ddr5? No such video anywhere yet
Can someone tell me, what aio he's using and what kind of fans those are? Thank you.
i was wondering about the aio as well. havnt seen it anywhere else yet.
@@MrDamonLeBeouf i found out it's a new one from MSI: th-cam.com/video/7YWC2ROAfyw/w-d-xo.html (this is a german video, but at 2:24 you can see the cooler). Hope it helps you. :)
Well, isn't this where we are in general? Everything is just incremental upgrades. We're not going to see huge leaps like we did 20+ years ago.
I don't know why anyone expects new technology to blow "old" tech out of the water.
I mean optical computing might do something
2:03 i5-12900K?????
Simple and effective information for normal people to understand thanks👊
There is no symbiosis between the 129000K and DDR5?
Isn't ddr5 also ECC by default? So wouldn't it be fairer to compare ECC ddr4 prices to ddr5 prices?
I assume that's a typo in the tables with the Intel i5-12900K and it should be the same i9-12900K as a controlled variable.
Is the 5800x really that negligible that most reviewers don’t include it?
Yes, it was the worst buy out of all the Ryzen 5000 series CPU:s, cos of the price per core it had.
That's why we all went for 5600x or 5900x and nobody has it :D
It wasnt a good offering at launch, but performs like a 5900x in most games due to only having one chiplet.
IS DDR5 hardware just not there yet? Or is the performance software based? If I do a DDR5 build can I look forward to future updates that will increase the prowess or will I need to buy newer DDR5 hardware down the line to reap the benefits?
Its not software based, wait until the DDR5 hardware and tech mature over the next year with much faster kits and lower latency hopefully before making the jump, it just doesn't seem worth the cost yet.
Thanks Steve!
What's that cpu cooler at 1:40??
pretty off-topic but could you maybe make a video about the pcie 4.0 riser cables ?? I've heared that they are pretty bad for your gpu but you seem to still use them always anyways..
Is the increased memory speed helping the iGPU at 4:30 and 4:50 ?
Forget the RAM, what AIO is that at about 01:40?
Msi
The main "issue" is that all the high-end motherboards are made for DDR5. So overclocking a 12900K on a mid-tier board wont be the best idea ever.
ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI D4
Z series motherboards are for overclocking
as usual the Trident Z5 are not available in the US - any idea when they will be (on newegg/amazon/best buy etc.)?
What’s the liquid cooler he’s using in this video?? Haven’t seen it before
For now DDR4 is good enough to me. I'm running 32GB tuned to 3733 CL 14.
So I'm about to build a new system based around a 12900k and my existing kit has Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 running at 3000Mhz & C15-17-16-35. How much real performance loss would I see if I reused this, as opposed to buying new LPX at 3600Mhz & C16-18-18-36 (or even DDR5 as was my original expectation)?
You should think about CL14 RAM to be honest CL15/16 is pretty slow so I wouldn't pair that with 12900k, it just doesn't make sense.. 4000MHz, CL14 with 7ns latency is probably the best RAM to get.
@@Spoonuk666 I've been looking, but pretty much all of what I'm seeing is between C15 and 17. I've been checking out Aria Scan and Overclockers in the UK.
Good review! How was the timings on 5200 vs 6000?
ddr 6k single dimm vs ddr 3k dual channel?
I seriously don't know why would anyone be excited when they see 40cl or more
Imo 3600cl14 is the best in the market currently.
Maybe check out some games like WD: Legion which apparently sees a big boost with DDR5
Honestly, i think we are all fine with DDR4 (it has matured and it has been tested extensively). The issue with DDR4 is that you can't have BOTH the high-end Z690 board features and DDR4 memory support. But paying the premium for the handful of Z690 boards that support DDR4 and that are essentially the same as their Z590 predecessors but with LGA 1700 sockets is just straight up bullshit. Best course of action is to wait for more DDR5 memory restocks because that seems more likely than waiting for high-end Z690 boards that support DDR4 (which is not optimistic as there would be no incentive to buy DDR5 boards otherwise).
Thank you for acknowledging why there are so few options out there for DDR4 boards that work with Z690 chipsets. It's nothing more than a way to sell expensive RAM that is (a) not in stock, (b) is hyper expensive and (c) hasn't matured.
It's all about embracing an unknown future, not improving a known past, for greedy corporations.
Love your vids!
Where is this gear 1, gear 2, this is only for newer motherboard right ? Because I have almost a year trying to get 0 stutter from my Crucial Ballistix 3200mhz and i5-9400f on my gigabyte Z390m gaming
Living with a "cheap" DDR5 kit (e.g. 2x8 GB 4800 DDR5) then opting to upgrade later in the generation is a decent option since it's about half the price of a new motherboard. Specifically if you're already getting a new CPU/Motherboard and want to upgrade to DDR5, but don't want to pay $500 for a kit that'll become obsolete almost immediately.
The min for DDR5 is 16GB per stick. So there wont be really any "cheap" DDR5 kits for a while
What's that AIO cooler in your test bench?
extreamly slow memories and where is CL info?
My board only takes DDR5 which one would you recommend?
Are those gear 1/2 modes equivalents to old Command Rate 1/2?
Could you do 32gb DDR4 vs 16gb DDR5?
So what does DDR5 improve on anything at the moment???
So if the ddr4 4000 is able to run at 1:1 with the Imc why do we not to see anything that 3200 here? Think I have Answered my question myself, super hard to get my 12700k to even boot above 3800 at gear 1.
thnx for the vid!!! gotta quick question, bought a 5600x and got new ram didn't realize it was c19 32gb=4x8gb@3600mhz and i wish the guy explained to me how this worked, bt i found out that c19 sucks and is it worth selling these kits and get a c16??? would the performance gain be worth the trouble? any help would be appreciated ty.
Cool video keep it up 👍.
Considering the high cost of a DDR5 motherboard over a DDR4 board I get the feeling the DDR5 manufacturers have jumped on the GPU over-priced bandwagon and just thought they'd add a zero on the end of the price of a stick. Just like GPU's currently, DDR5 offers as good value for money. (like none whatsoever.)
Honestly the cost for new cpu+mobo+ddr5 is like 1000€ alone, and my current 9700k is mostly idling during most games anyway. Just not worth it.