Lesson 3 - The Upstroke Kick Lick John Bonham Technique
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- I feel that this lick is a very important part of any drummers' skillset. I'm sure you'll recognize it but try to guess who made this lick up in the early 70's. Please enjoy and I hope you pick something up from this one.
This one's in high def using progressive scan.
3 cameras and 8 digital audio tracks.
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This is one of the best drum lessons about Bonham and drumming in general on youtube, hands down.
***** cool, I try to get right to the point and not beat around for 20 minutes... thanks!
GrooveDrummin
Lol is that about bonzoleum?
Paweł Morrison LOL I believe it is, although he is an amazing drummer you can tell he loves to "ramble on" (pun intended)
You did!
jeremyw5...I am getting old and I apologize for pulling people on their serious misuse of words.
This upload cannot be “Hands down” AND “ONE of the best” can it. It can either be “Hands down THE best” or “ONE of the best”.
How much would you like to meet me for a beer!!
Very talented drummer. I like the Ghost notes. When you had time to fit them in. I had a day when I was close but not as good as this. You have a real gift. Nice to hear that kind of sound without elbows flying all over. No wood chips under this kit.
I really appreciate how you just get right into the action with all your videos. So much wasted time with other instructors stroking their egos. Thanks for your generosity and skill.
Right on! I don't believe in being redundant. That should be left up to the student when practicing. You're welcome!
Exactly! Densely packed with info, save it and come back to it again and again for effective training, with none of your time wasted. I appreciate the thought behind that approach.
Brilliant, Groove Drummin !
I really appreciate this, great job ! 🥁👍👏
Do you ever get tired of hearing how awesome you are? Why you aren't playing in a big name classic rock band is beyond my comprehension!
Whats with the dislikes? Excellent playing!
+Nigel Fortune IMHO the dislikes probably come from drum-machine-addicts...
@TheLedzep007
I'm not too sure, it is just the way I have always played. The mindset is to play for the song, keep it solid and steady and not to overplay. How you hit them also contributes to the "sound". Think of "pulling" the sound out of the drum not playing into it.
THESE-ARE-THE-BEST-DRUM-LESSONS-EVER-!------THAT-IS-ALL
dang now i have 0 excuses why i cant practice
Well done....Man, I love the sound of these Ludwigs...beautifully tuned.....and played.
Very good demo. I appreciate you showing the technique more than talking like some of the other drum videos I've watched
reminds me of fireball, Deep Purple. Great stuff. Also Bonham does this after the tympani solo in TSRTS.
This has more of an Ian Paice feel compared to John Bonham
This is part of JHB's nightly standard solo set, in all forms, played right through from 68 to 79.
Reminds me of Made in Japan solo and a lot of stuff you'd hear on Fireball
He did this briefly, in the solo on "THE Song Remains The Same Concert".
Ian has one of the fastest left hands I've seen in rock drumming. His one-handed roll sounds better than many two-handed snare rolls, he's still amazing. If you haven't already, check out the clinic with Chad Smith and Ian Paice on youtube.
John was good but Ian was well faster (in his younger days) of course lol, only drummer I know who could still be as fast as when he was younger has to be Buddy Rich 😉
Rob Francis from Halifax Nova Scotia, a fantastic drummer and person taught me this technique and credited it to Groove Drumming "Dan" for sharing this. Thus I am subscribed.
Thank you, Rob and Dan.
wow - that is super cool :)
there wont ever be another bonham but youre the closest ive ever heard right next to the man him self you just have that same style and feel when it comes to the music
@WhyTheHorseface
Very motivational to hear good things for sure!
Did gigs in the past and toured, not huge names or anything but played plenty of shows. I took a break from it all because of how disappointing new bands were and what music was evolving into, IMO. The politics involved in the business didn't help either and was only about making money.
Now, I am focusing on trying to teach aspiring drummers things I found to be effective techniques and methods.
Playing the drums is definitely a reward in itself. It would take a lot of money, I mean a lot, for me to trade my drumming fun I enjoy for some of the uh 'talent..' we see today. In fact, I just don't think I would do it. I am going to be binge watching these videos over the next month. These are absolutely great.
After 3 years, this is the best video I've found as far as explanation, example and execution. Thank you very much !!
John Bonham tinha um controle de bumbo simples único...
STRUGGLING WITH THE HANDS? It's just this: "R"RLR accent the first right which is the 1 on the tom, the next right is the 2 on the tom, the left is the "an" before the 3 on the SNARE, and the final right is the 3 on the tom.. now to add the other stroke on the SNARE just play BOTH hands at the same time on the 1: "RL"RLR unless you just picked up sticks for the first time this hand part should come together in minutes and obviously speed will take a little while but this is the pattern he mentioned but didn't really explain enough.. it's very important you accent the one just to get the proper feel especially when you're playing by pattern drumming is all feel.. I like his videos but they're a little too concise a little more explanation would be helpful.. Next just practice the feet separately alternating kick to hi hat like he showed.. that's just a matter of time and it all comes together.. Great video overall! Thanks for posting!
Do you ever get tired of hearing how awesome you are? Why you aren't playing in a big name classic rock band is beyond my comprehension!
such a beautiful kit! great sound too!
+Peter licari ...and a great player! ;-)
It's great to find an excellent material like this
@robhgtc2005
Hey rob, nice kit you have, congrats! Thank you so much for the kind words and support. This is what keeps me going :)
@grajdrums
Try keeping the hi-hats steady on time but less on the bass drum, for example every 4 hi-hat beats do a bass drum on the 3 &...experiment. Keep a metronome going to lock in the hi-hat and make it easier to follow.
it's not 3:4. It's a simple3/4.
Outstanding instruction! Very clear, concise demonstration.....Thanks for giving your time.
Could you write out the sticking
@deafralph
I am happy to be of assistance...yes, the muscle memory is half the battle.
Thank you and great to see you're still watching!
Same as what Bonzo does towards the end of "Dazed and Confused" jam they go into live from "Song Remains The Same".. Nice !
Great LESSON... 4 sure... this seems to be a great building block... for learning to SOLO... sounds great....
Great Lick You Make Things Seem So Easy. Thanks For Lesson . Keep it up 😎✌️ Steve Drums50
Sounds like a fine tuned motor
The gold medal is yours🥇
@GrooveDrummin I knew it sounded familiar! It is indeed the 3 over 2. I learned it as the syllables "Not dif-fi-cult" where both hands start together on Not, and then alternate and sync back up on the not. (4 against 3 was "Not Very Di-ffi-cult") That is an AWESOME sounding beat. I must learn! Thanks for sharing.
Well, Happy Fathers Day! I've got 5 of my own, so I know it's hard to find extra time. I have always wanted to be a musician and as my kids have gotten older they are a big part of my inspiration, as I try to inspire them. We have a tiny studio now and they all play instruments and we can all play together. Even the wifey is buying a bass soon to join us! When I die I hope they play Fogelberg's Leader of the Band in my honor. : )
This would be simple 3/4 Time (1 an 2 an 3 an) HOWEVER, when the snare hits on the "1" and on the "an" before the 3 ("1" an 2 "an" 3 an) those TWO strokes take on a life of their own which is why people are saying 2 on 3 poly rhythm.. and why this is so groovy.. Also works as a great fill with or without the hi hat.. if you are struggling try just playing the tom and the foot then slowly adding the snare hand on the 1 then the tricky part adding snare on the "an" aka upbeat before the 3.. it's actually pretty easy until you go for that upbeat on the snare that's where the magic is it's not easy but the payoff is great feels so good once you get it!
@kingoverat4
Yes, for a VERY short time when Carmine Appice got Bonham's Ludwig endorsement, his first kit had two 26"ers. Actually, I think it was only for a couple of rehearsals until Page said "there's too much bass drum" and you don't need a second!
Beautiful drums, sweet playing!!
These videos are a dream come true. I just bought a drum set and I have already learned this. I am so glad you made this video. I'll be honest, alone... this is not my favorite sounding lick, but you're lessons are VERY well put together and extremely helpful for a beginner to know exactly how to start to play. I love how you slowed down the tempo and explained how each hand/foot was supposed to act.
Are you still doing lessons?
Very cool! I'll be putting more video lessons together soon. What would you like to see in particular?
Hey thank you for the reply!
I would like to see you break down how to do a bonham style roll, or drum fill.
not sure exactly what it is called. It may be really simple for you, but the way you slow things down and give a step by step is exactly what I need as a beginning drummer.
Thanks a lot mate!
I'll be watching all your vids.
Super! Thank You.
Great drummer... Watched all of your vids!
ROCK ON \m/
Do you ever get tired of hearing how awesome you are? Why you aren't playing in a big name classic rock band is beyond my comprehension!
You`re a yery, very good teacher. A+++ Greetings from Germany.
Great. Thanks!
@rapad9
Thanks, see my profile for complete list of gear.
I think it is that mans incredible spin on a Bonham groove I hear Bonham but this is incredible
@superredneck71
cool, thanks for watching... since '74
great way of teaching a lick, thanks man.. :-) keep making videos
Thank You!
Dude. You're awesome.
Thanks!
I'd call it 4/4 with quarter note triplets on the hh.
Working on this lick right now as a matter of fact! Thank you sir!
Who else hears "MASHED POTATOES - MASHED POTATOES- MASHED POTATOES - MASHED POTATOES - MASHED POTATOES - MASHED POTATOES" :D
Amazing !!!
man you should make a tutorial dvd, i would buy it right away
congratulations, i love watching your videos
Back then in England they had people like Phil Seamen (jazz drummer and pioneer of double kick) and a big stream of jazz and blues music and musicians (i.e. Alexis Korner) plus many many "live" music available. "Google" them and you'll be amazed. To have an overview on the very best of the brit drummer scene in the mid '60, look also for "Gonks Go Beat" even here on the tube. Cheers
@GrooveDrummin When you have this big bass drum, I assume you tune it tight. So you cannot "Bury" the beater into the head without choking the sound correct?
Here is my problem; I have ALWAYS played burying the beater into the head since I started. Because I tune very low, It doesn’t seem to interfere with sound. However, I just took the pillows out of my bass drum and I realized I have to stop doing this.
Any tips to help me "Release" the beater after the stroke?
Great lick, Dan! Any suggestions to put it in use in 4/4 context?
Btw, I found the timing of my upstroke kicks wasn't very consistent. After fooling around, I derived an exercise myself:
FOOT: L R L R
HAND: R L R L
LH=snare, RH=ride, LF=HH, RF=kick
i.e. Feet are playing in unison with their opposite hands.
Wow, this is very difficult to get up to speed, harder than your lick... The opposite hands and feet don't want to go together. The bass always tries to slip back to the downbeat.
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Very good! Excellent drummer ! Excellent teacher too… thank you 🥁
@BCDPRODUCTIONS1234
Yes, you're correct. I know I said 3 over 4 (sounds different) because I wanted to make it more simple to understand to the non music reading player. 3 beats inside a count of 4 is easier to grasp than 3 inside 2...I may be off base here but it's only for simplification and so long as they play it right, that's what counts to me. But you are right, thanks for pointing that out.
It would be cool if you broke down the licks at the end, starting around 4:25. Maybe for the next video? I learned this basic lick way back when I took lessons in the early 90's. I had forgotten about it. I need to dust it off! Thanks!
Absolutely brilliant lesson 👍🏻 but I do get a little scared when your face appears and shouts at me 😂😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Saying the drummers name could be considered fair use because your using it in an educational way. Look up "fair use"
But yeah this lick came natural to me. Probably one of the first I learned. I'm guessing bonham too
(apologies if someone already posted this)
This technique is a common way to get a double bass sound without having a double pedal or another bass drum. Just tune the floor lower if you want it sound more like two bass drums.
Real BONZO Teck ! 😎.👍 💙
RIP John Henry Bonham ! 😔
what i now have hard to do is the double stroke on my kick, (Black Sabbath war Pigs, when the hihat marks and then comes kick and cymbals in and mark with a double stroke), any tip on improving?
cool....crazy ideas for drum solo...thanks..success
Reminds me of Smashing Pumpkins' drummer, Jimmy Chamberlin
Damn, I understand it perfectly, but yet it is really difficult to lead with the hi-hat, I always shift it and after a while I find myself playing lead with the bass drum. Any suggestions to develop the left foot lead? Maybe just practice it by it's own, with no other drums?
If you want to help me, I'm having a little problem with this video I watched yesterday. It was a drum clinic by Virgil Donati in Sweden in 2007. If you go to TH-cam and type in Virgil Donati Sweden 2007, you will know why I'm having problems with it. I just can't seem to get all the way through his solo yet. I'm almost there.
Excellent, excellent, excellent video. Been wondering how bonham and ian paice (space truckin') did that. Here it is! Thanks! Will immdiately practice.
great lesson learned alot . one small thing can teach you alot.Can u do kashmir? and break down the beats,like is it 2 bass drum beats or 1. thanks
Nniiiiiceee
@MrMutron
Not too tight because it will be too bouncy then without a port in the reso. It took me a while to adjust also...think of your pedal like it is a drum stick...if you rest your stick on the head it will bounce and create multiple strokes, same with the pedal. Tighten the spring on your pedal and let it do the work.
@AldridgeHalenFreak
Yes, that is correct and the trick is to start with the left foot and keep time with it. The right foot is on the off beat, that's what gives it the feel.
it learned this...and if u put the 8th note on the left on the tom, and switch between the tom and any ride object...it sound sooooo cool
John Bonham was NOT that good of a drummer. Lived off the coat tail of the greatest drummer ever. My self 41years of drums.
Any chance of a breakdown on the end of Rock n Roll.....seen vids on other sights but doesnt sound right.......you do
sounds like the intro to Fireball, amazing
Ginger Baker does this in his Blind Faith Do What You Like solo...except he uses double bass instead of bass drum/hi hat combo.
You can hear this lick on Moby Dick TSRTS around 6:45
I hate this beat so much. Took me almost 2 hours to manage at speed like 50 bpm :D. Cool stuff though, thanks!
you're Great Drummer.
This partten was used in fireball by Ian paice,right?
I dont know how to play(4:25~last)
I'm gonna say BONZO + Moby Dick = The Song Remains The Same! Let me know if I get a Prize ... or not! ^____=
Hey great lesson ! Is this groove similar to what Bonham plays in his 73' rendidtion of Moby Dick? After his timpani solo
@RubenVW95
i think the lineup was:
24, 20, 18, 15 but some giant beat mixed in with the 2002, i believe the ride and the 20 were GB but i could be mistaken.
Who's actually puttin thumbs down , suppose they can do so much better !
I actually just started to get into this.
I like to do "his" triplets, then go into this, out of this, etc...
Your kick sounds amazin.
Thanks very much
i love playing this...lovely works
I'm sure this lick was around before Bonham, but he popularized it because Led Zep was so huge.
@RubenVW95
i could be wrong too but i don't really hear a 16" on the recording and too me it looks like an 18 and maybe 20 or another 18.
Now it's clear how difficult is to play drums?
awesome. but maybe you'll be must proceed step by step more slowly. just for all the noobies ^^
@fazerville
I think it's from listening to old jazz and blues records with a trial and error approach. I've heard Rich do this polyrhythm.
Very good. I had to fight to play my right hand with the hi hat. No used to that😅
keep in mind there are no linear notes (NOT on the same beat), everything is played on same notes... first snare lands on the same beat as floor tom and the second needs to land on the same note as the kick.
Thank you and you're welcome!
Fuck. Looks hard
Excellent lesson. THANK-YOU
its a 3 over 2 polyrhthm bys
it was a wonderful drumming which I have been seen
Dude, that kit sounds bloody lovely !!!
this is awesome man, do you think you could do a tutorial of the The Crunge? thanks alot
I am going to take a full day to just work on these rhythms!