that makes two of us ;-). when i have done my most important projects, a pantorouter will be made! but i want to make a pantorouter that also does the most work like a tabletoprouter since i have only limited space in my shop. so this will be a challenge
Jörgen Börg Perhaps I need to become more familiar with pantorouters, but I think my area of weakness is in seeing the templates in relation to the cuts made by the router. I enjoy watching Matthias Wandel use his pantorouter because of the templates he creates. I understand the difference in scale, but I don't always see the pattern as I should. ;)
Me three :) I want one of those bad boys ... but then again I want all of the cool stuff Matthias has built ! so I have to buy some plans, a bunch of wood .. and get busy ;)
Good project. And I really like how you use different techniques at different times, as this shows how there are multiple ways to tackle a problem. And it's also fun to see innovative approaches. I like the dowels cut by the pantorouter. I have *GOT* to get to building one!!! I'm still jealous of the amount of real wood that you manage to find for free...
on another note... I've only made a few dressers, but I make the carcass first. Is this just the way you do it, or have you found some benefit to doing it this way?
wordsnwood If the carcas is just to hold the drawers, I like to make the drawers first. That way, I don't have to worry about getting the drawer size right to the millimeter.
Matthias Wandel I just figured this out I find that on Kijiji there are always several old upright solid wood pianos available free if you can remove them. That's an interesting source of free old solid dry wood- sometimes ivory veneers for fancy inlays (guitar guys probably want those) Bottom and top -Fronts, top, sides plus the inside frames i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDUwWDgwMA==/z/2IsAAOSwR0JUNVjt/$_20.JPG
It's a credit to your skills in how easy you make it all seem. Just aligning the tenons on the sides of the drawer to the face, and how you placed the template on the pentarouter to precise alignment to the holes on the face plate was awe inspiring. Always learning
Matt, Your ingenuity, ability to explain what you're doing and your videos are a true inspiration, Thank You! I find all of your vids very fun and educational. I have a very small shop so many of your clever ideas come in real handy here. Love the way you re-purpose items and find resources in things others throw away. Thanx, Dave
You are extremely talented, absolutely fascinating, all of this is 'upcycled so far as well, to use the posh term. Your videos are always, without exception, 'top hole', please hurry up with the next step, can't wait to see what you will do with the sides.
Wow, these are the types of videos you make that just make me go WOW! Inventive, practical and beautiful. I watch all your videos but these are the ones I love best. Oh and I actually thought the dowels coming through the front of the drawers was a very modern approach/design.
I like the stability of these drawers. I'm always annoyed by the drawers from ikea or similar, because they tend to come apart only by closing them a tiny little bit too fast.
Awesome project! I built all my own furniture but 'floated' my bottoms in a slot cut about 7/8" up from the bottom. I was told this was a must due to the expansion/contraction of the sides compared to the ply bottom... Every drawer I have ever seen was built this way so I took no chances. I also protected myself further by sealing the entire drawer with cut shellac.. My only problem is under heavy loads I get some sag in the drawer bottom. Maybe glue and fasteners will stop the sag as the drawer bottoms can't pull away from the edges? For me the bottoms gave me the most sleepless nights... ☺️ BTW 4 coats of thinned Varnish will make the mahogany look unbelievable! Thanks again for sharing!
A sub millimeter error and he grudgingly says "Close enough." Man, that's what truly sets him apart. Not only is he genius in the things he builds, but he's crazy precise.
WOW, Matt. as much as you use you panta router. It seem as if its a necessity to every shop. I've made some stuff with draws befor , I never realized how much goes into making the simple stuff.
Nice video Matthias. I first thought that you were going to have those dowels show on the fronts for decoration as well as strength. I was wrong, nice project and efficient use of Garbage.
Oh My Goodness, that Router tool is genius. I do some woodworking, and I have never seen it before. It is fantastic. Your re-use of old wood is done so precisely to have so little scrap left over. Great Job and thank you for introducing me to the Panto Router tool. Is that the way it is spelled? I have to look into getting one. Thanks for the video! Virginia
You are worried about the strength of the drawer fronts, so you make the dowels. But the drawer bottoms, who actually take a load, you just glue and nail with nails in the direction of the load? Seems like a cut to slide the bottom in would be stronger because you get the fastening perpendicular to the load.
N1ght Crawler The impact of a drawer hitting the dresser as it slams shut is consistent abuse, and it's where drawers commonly fail, even drawers with very thin bottoms.
The garbage in CA seems to be of a higher grade than the hinterlands of the US. Or maybe you live near a wealthy neighborhood? All I seem to find are pallets, and they are a pain to recycle.
mweverett The wealthier the neighbourhood, the higher quality the garbage. Though thownhouse residents (less wealthy) throw out a lot of good furniture when they move
My single-speed router works great with an aftermarket router speed controller. It does reduce the power (not a VFD or PWM, obviously) but that has never been an issue for me. Mine waa $20 US.
Matthias, did you watch New Yankee Workshop and This Old House when you were young(er)? Watching you do those plugs sent me back to watching Norm do the same thing on various projects.
castillo tallaj I think the issue here is the bulk. Wood that'd be strong enough would be much larger than the metal, and it wouldn't fold up so neat and small as to fit into a couch. At least, that's my thinking.
I understand that point, but it does not have to be done in the conventional form of folding into the sofa, there are many forms now. but that's ok.... I'm a doctor not an engineer i really have less than amateur understandings about this things to be honest.... I just like to watch the Chanel because his ingenuity and expertise on what he does... And to learn a bit more obviously
emo65170 Yeah. Same here. And I'm lucky if I find something out of mdf, or super lucky if it's old pine windows or doors, that I can splice into boards. The rest of wood variety I have to buy, cuz it's like finding bog oak :(
I'm curious to know why you didn't use box joints for the entire drawer. It's always fun, however, to see you cut joints with the pantorouter, and the integral dowels are cool.
Nice. I was going to ask why the heck you drilled all the way through your drawer fronts (dowels) but then I saw that you were veneering them. Would it not have been easier to veneer the fronts first (and then trim them, drill them, and assemble them, etc)?
Hold up a tic there. I've seen you (Mr. Wandel) complain about the strength on a ramekin holder, so why did you do the bottom of the drawers as just a sheet, glue and some nails. Wouldn't that just fail? Eventually I mean. Clothing can get pretty weighty.
Big_Adam_2050 Flat on glued is actually quite strong. Just ugly from the side, as I mentioned in the ramekin video (which perhaps you should watch again)
gaza1992 Drawer bottoms are never very strong. I've got a nicely built, sturdy dresser that has 3/4 inch drawer backs and fronts and 1/2 inch drawer sides but the bottoms are only 1/8 inch thick. That's normal, or perhaps even overbuilt on the sides and back. Clothing is not supposed to be nearly as heavy as books. Drawer bottoms should only be expected to hold about 75 pounds max. Back in the good old days before metal drawer glides, it took too much strength to pull a drawer out if it held too much weight. Nowadays that's no longer a consideration, but the metal drawer glides are still rated at only 75 pounds.
If you know where to look, you can get a truckload a day from normal dumpsters. I live in a college town, and every year in both May for the end of semester move out, and then again in July for end of lease move out, the apartment dwellers throw out stuff that would blow your mind. I've gotten brand new fridges, brand new BBQ grills, computers, laptops and most importantly the last two years I have salvaged 485 board feet and then 390 board feet of nice usable lumber. All from old book cases and entertainment centers and things of this nature. Hell around here with a university of 35,000 there are people with trucks and trailers that go around and work night an day for that three weeks or so a year and actually make enough from their spoils to live the rest of the year and not need to work.
David Kirsten Anderson Hmm, now that I think of it, yes, probably walnut. I assumed it was mahogany because it was with the mahogany desk drawers, and before I planed the varnish off, it was hard to be sure.
in previous videos you mentioned that you should avoid holding the board with both hands when pushing it through the blade and to use push sticks or table saw sled. In this video you used all three methods is it safe to say its not so big of a kickback threat then?
+Matthias Wandel it's very easy in fact you can get them dirt cheap to just plug inline to the router MLCS 9400 Standard Duty Router Speed Control www.amazon.com/dp/B001JHQ3G8/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_4TAlxbM9SNG9D, here is one for 30 bucks....
I love how 90% of your tools are handmade or modified. Great work man! You're a genius!
Holy Moly!! That dowel cutter and box joint cutter are so ingenious.
I am starting to think I can't live without a pantorouter. ;)
that makes two of us ;-). when i have done my most important projects, a pantorouter will be made! but i want to make a pantorouter that also does the most work like a tabletoprouter since i have only limited space in my shop. so this will be a challenge
Jörgen Börg Perhaps I need to become more familiar with pantorouters, but I think my area of weakness is in seeing the templates in relation to the cuts made by the router. I enjoy watching Matthias Wandel use his pantorouter because of the templates he creates. I understand the difference in scale, but I don't always see the pattern as I should. ;)
Me three :) I want one of those bad boys ... but then again I want all of the cool stuff Matthias has built ! so I have to buy some plans, a bunch of wood .. and get busy ;)
stringmanipulator
i dont need plans. i rebuild anything anyway. i just needed the idea of a great machine. the rest will build itself in my mind. :-).
Good project. And I really like how you use different techniques at different times, as this shows how there are multiple ways to tackle a problem. And it's also fun to see innovative approaches. I like the dowels cut by the pantorouter. I have *GOT* to get to building one!!!
I'm still jealous of the amount of real wood that you manage to find for free...
wordsnwood Gotta keep your eyes open!
on another note... I've only made a few dressers, but I make the carcass first. Is this just the way you do it, or have you found some benefit to doing it this way?
Matthias Wandel No kidding! I just picked up a maple table top ... thanks for the hint!
wordsnwood If the carcas is just to hold the drawers, I like to make the drawers first. That way, I don't have to worry about getting the drawer size right to the millimeter.
Matthias Wandel
I just figured this out
I find that on Kijiji there are always several old upright solid wood pianos available free if you can remove them.
That's an interesting source of free old solid dry wood- sometimes ivory veneers for fancy inlays (guitar guys probably want those)
Bottom and top -Fronts, top, sides plus the inside frames
i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDUwWDgwMA==/z/2IsAAOSwR0JUNVjt/$_20.JPG
Very nice Matthias. Pantorouter is becoming a "must have" well done
It's a credit to your skills in how easy you make it all seem. Just aligning the tenons on the sides of the drawer to the face, and how you placed the template on the pentarouter to precise alignment to the holes on the face plate was awe inspiring. Always learning
Matt,
Your ingenuity, ability to explain what you're doing and your videos are a true inspiration, Thank You!
I find all of your vids very fun and educational.
I have a very small shop so many of your clever ideas come in real handy here.
Love the way you re-purpose items and find resources in things others throw away.
Thanx,
Dave
More of these junk to furniture builds please - these are amazing
You are extremely talented, absolutely fascinating, all of this is 'upcycled so far as well, to use the posh term. Your videos are always, without exception, 'top hole', please hurry up with the next step, can't wait to see what you will do with the sides.
I really like the joinery and the reclaimed use of wood.
An Artist at work, Many artists combine skill and technique with vision.
Wow, these are the types of videos you make that just make me go WOW! Inventive, practical and beautiful. I watch all your videos but these are the ones I love best. Oh and I actually thought the dowels coming through the front of the drawers was a very modern approach/design.
as in not needing a veneer but I understand mahogany is too beautiful not to use.
I like the stability of these drawers. I'm always annoyed by the drawers from ikea or similar, because they tend to come apart only by closing them a tiny little bit too fast.
Quality furniture out of other people's junk. I need to visit dumpsters more often.
Your thriftiness is amazing and awesome.
Excellent job, was a little shocked you covered the fronts with veneer, your dowel work was way cool.
Very, very nice. Well done. And I must say your garbage wood looks a whole lot better than the garbage wood I can find.
Every single time you use your pantorouter I'm blown away by how amazing it is. Great video thanks for the hours of enjoyment you provide! :)
Awesome project! I built all my own furniture but 'floated' my bottoms in a slot cut about 7/8" up from the bottom. I was told this was a must due to the expansion/contraction of the sides compared to the ply bottom... Every drawer I have ever seen was built this way so I took no chances. I also protected myself further by sealing the entire drawer with cut shellac.. My only problem is under heavy loads I get some sag in the drawer bottom. Maybe glue and fasteners will stop the sag as the drawer bottoms can't pull away from the edges? For me the bottoms gave me the most sleepless nights... ☺️ BTW 4 coats of thinned Varnish will make the mahogany look unbelievable! Thanks again for sharing!
I love that you make nice stuff out of garbage materials.
A sub millimeter error and he grudgingly says "Close enough." Man, that's what truly sets him apart. Not only is he genius in the things he builds, but he's crazy precise.
Holy crap. Those must be the strongest drawers ever made!
WOW, Matt. as much as you use you panta router. It seem as if its a necessity to every shop. I've made some stuff with draws befor , I never realized how much goes into making the simple stuff.
I gotta say that is one very cool jig. Wow! Can you copy car keys with that jig. Well done!
I think the exposed dowels would make it look better.
i am speechless when i saw your jigs. you are genius carpenter
Excelente trabajo, nunca me deja de sorprender tu pantorouter. Felicidades Matthias.
Very nice recycling there! Can't wait for part two :)
You have FAR better luck with material from the garbage than I've ever been able to get!
Big fan of your reuse efforts! Keep on keeping on! Thanks for sharing.
I'm really excited to see how this comes together! Great idea with the mahogany!
Wow! wonderful project with used wood! WOW!
That was great! And so much amazing equipment in one place!
great use of old materials!
Nice video Matthias. I first thought that you were going to have those dowels show on the fronts for decoration as well as strength. I was wrong, nice project and efficient use of Garbage.
Great use of found wood.
3:07 Relatively simple hahaha! awesome as usual
Oh My Goodness, that Router tool is genius. I do some woodworking, and I have never seen it before. It is fantastic. Your re-use of old wood is done so precisely to have so little scrap left over.
Great Job and thank you for introducing me to the Panto Router tool. Is that the way it is spelled? I have to look into getting one.
Thanks for the video!
Virginia
Excellent work as always! Can't wait for part 2!
I enjoyed watching your video. gee wiz you make it look so easy. I guess when you know what you are doing, you can make it look easy
You are worried about the strength of the drawer fronts, so you make the dowels. But the drawer bottoms, who actually take a load, you just glue and nail with nails in the direction of the load?
Seems like a cut to slide the bottom in would be stronger because you get the fastening perpendicular to the load.
N1ght Crawler The impact of a drawer hitting the dresser as it slams shut is consistent abuse, and it's where drawers commonly fail, even drawers with very thin bottoms.
He's only using the nails to hold the panel down until the glue dries, at which point the glue becomes the actual strength of the joint.
Very cool so far. I'm very curious to the end result.
Very unique method. I like it...Thanks for posting
hi dear .... really good job ...
thanks ...and many thanks for shearing the information
Eng. Abdulqadir
Iraq
You make it look so easy thanks for the cool videos.
You are very skilled, nice work.
The garbage in CA seems to be of a higher grade than the hinterlands of the US. Or maybe you live near a wealthy neighborhood? All I seem to find are pallets, and they are a pain to recycle.
mweverett The wealthier the neighbourhood, the higher quality the garbage. Though thownhouse residents (less wealthy) throw out a lot of good furniture when they move
Really nice to watch you building these drawers. And if you want to know what sustainability means - watch this video.
My single-speed router works great with an aftermarket router speed controller. It does reduce the power (not a VFD or PWM, obviously) but that has never been an issue for me. Mine waa $20 US.
As always good job.
every time you bring your fingers close to the blade my heart skips a beat...
Very nice.
Still learning from you mathias! Keep up the good work!
Rachel is taken your house a part! You got to cowboy up, dude! :)
yeeeaaaahh pantorouter video
Matthias, did you watch New Yankee Workshop and This Old House when you were young(er)? Watching you do those plugs sent me back to watching Norm do the same thing on various projects.
Could you slow the router with a VFD? Or even a variac?
Thanks. U are very kind !!
Another great video and project!
Great work
This is art.
Seus vídeos são um show, seus trabalhos muito bem planejados ! parabens .
Very nice!
So so interesting!
thanks for the video
This video is like a therapy to me. I hate pocket hole jig joinery and everyone lazy "woodworker" use it nowadays.
Outstanding...
Matthias, has anyone ever mentioned in passing that you're a very clever bloke?
That's what I call reclaiming someone's trash and turning it into treasure!
If you weren't putting a veneer on the front how deep would you make the dowels if you didn't want to see them?
PERFECT!!
...hole lot a material from the garbage? or garage? 0:13.
really nice !
You should teach us how to create the mechanism of a sofa bed or the entire sofa bed :D, thanks for all your videos they are awesome...
castillo tallaj That needs to be made of metal. Ask someone who works with metal.
I though you could figure out a way since you work so well the wood... But thanks for the response anyways sir
castillo tallaj I think the issue here is the bulk. Wood that'd be strong enough would be much larger than the metal, and it wouldn't fold up so neat and small as to fit into a couch.
At least, that's my thinking.
I understand that point, but it does not have to be done in the conventional form of folding into the sofa, there are many forms now. but that's ok.... I'm a doctor not an engineer i really have less than amateur understandings about this things to be honest.... I just like to watch the Chanel because his ingenuity and expertise on what he does... And to learn a bit more obviously
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Ok. I'm envious of what people around you just throw away. All you can hope for where I live is mdf :(
I'm only lucky enough to find melamine particle board around here, usually rain soaked.
emo65170 Yeah. Same here. And I'm lucky if I find something out of mdf, or super lucky if it's old pine windows or doors, that I can splice into boards. The rest of wood variety I have to buy, cuz it's like finding bog oak :(
I'm curious to know why you didn't use box joints for the entire drawer. It's always fun, however, to see you cut joints with the pantorouter, and the integral dowels are cool.
OnEvenKeel Explained in the article (where it says "for more info...)
Thanks - I think I understand - I was envisioning a thicker veneer serving as the drawer front so that a conventional box joint could be used.
Nice. I was going to ask why the heck you drilled all the way through your drawer fronts (dowels) but then I saw that you were veneering them. Would it not have been easier to veneer the fronts first (and then trim them, drill them, and assemble them, etc)?
Beautiful! But wouldn't so sturdy drowers deserve a sturdy botton instead that thin "slice" of wood?
I'm curious as to why you didn't cut the dowels in the side pieces shorter and use a blind hole in the fronts?
Hold up a tic there. I've seen you (Mr. Wandel) complain about the strength on a ramekin holder, so why did you do the bottom of the drawers as just a sheet, glue and some nails.
Wouldn't that just fail? Eventually I mean. Clothing can get pretty weighty.
Big_Adam_2050 Flat on glued is actually quite strong. Just ugly from the side, as I mentioned in the ramekin video (which perhaps you should watch again)
Matthias Wandel
Dang it, you win this time Mr. Woodworking Wizard.
Matthias Wandel This sounds like a good topic for another experiment video, testing the strength of each of the methods.
Fantastic garbage!
Would you suggest buying the wood to make a custom dresser if you know how vs going to a furniture store to buy one already made?
AMAZING!
What trash do you go to get wood? Please tell me and how please. Your a genius
Great video as always. How long did it take you to make the drawers?
What is that tool called? "Panto" router? Never seen one before but man is it ever handy. You make it look easy, man. Kudos.
***** Google it. Or click the link in the description.
A little question, what do you use on Sketchup to draw joints? BTW, very nice project!
The draw bottoms don't look very strong, I think putting some ribs in would help with strength.
gaza1992 Drawer bottoms are never very strong. I've got a nicely built, sturdy dresser that has 3/4 inch drawer backs and fronts and 1/2 inch drawer sides but the bottoms are only 1/8 inch thick. That's normal, or perhaps even overbuilt on the sides and back. Clothing is not supposed to be nearly as heavy as books. Drawer bottoms should only be expected to hold about 75 pounds max. Back in the good old days before metal drawer glides, it took too much strength to pull a drawer out if it held too much weight. Nowadays that's no longer a consideration, but the metal drawer glides are still rated at only 75 pounds.
Cool !!!!!!!!!!!
Where do you find so much scrap wood? Is there a lot of construction where you live or some industrial dumpsters:
ive got a circular saw and a couple of clamps do you think i can build something like that ?
Nice. not to keen on draw bottom's just nailed on, I would have made a slot all around for them to slide into then put the back on.
The veneer looks like walnut to me, not mahogany. How do you always find wood in the garbage? Do you live next to a sawmill or something? :)
If you know where to look, you can get a truckload a day from normal dumpsters. I live in a college town, and every year in both May for the end of semester move out, and then again in July for end of lease move out, the apartment dwellers throw out stuff that would blow your mind. I've gotten brand new fridges, brand new BBQ grills, computers, laptops and most importantly the last two years I have salvaged 485 board feet and then 390 board feet of nice usable lumber. All from old book cases and entertainment centers and things of this nature.
Hell around here with a university of 35,000 there are people with trucks and trailers that go around and work night an day for that three weeks or so a year and actually make enough from their spoils to live the rest of the year and not need to work.
David Kirsten Anderson Hmm, now that I think of it, yes, probably walnut. I assumed it was mahogany because it was with the mahogany desk drawers, and before I planed the varnish off, it was hard to be sure.
Evan Zerby yeah, and then saying that the new generation is all about saving the planet instead of the wastefull old people...
Ha, no kidding!
Nice.
Is there any reason simply joining the face to the sides using biscuits wouldn't work?
awesome
The things I would do with a panto-router...
Sir, what's the angle and depth you usually use for your pantorouter template?
in previous videos you mentioned that you should avoid holding the board with both hands when pushing it through the blade and to use push sticks or table saw sled. In this video you used all three methods is it safe to say its not so big of a kickback threat then?
MrXsanders You want to keep the hands away from the blade. With a bigger board, you don't need push sticks for distance.
I am sure this is an older thread but why not just add a motor controller knob to it to slow it down?
+Jon Gray Because that's not as easy or practical as you think
+Matthias Wandel it's very easy in fact you can get them dirt cheap to just plug inline to the router MLCS 9400 Standard Duty Router Speed Control www.amazon.com/dp/B001JHQ3G8/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_4TAlxbM9SNG9D, here is one for 30 bucks....