Old Man's Garage Malibu needs rear gears... AGAIN!? Massive headaches ensue!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 เม.ย. 2022
- Poor little Chevy 10 bolt, you have no idea what life has in store for you. The first part of your life you just cruised to the grocery store, maybe to church, occasionally taking the grand kids for ice cream... the next chapter of your life with THE Old Man's Garage is going to be considerably more fun, and athletic.
So a few weeks ago you all likely saw us put a brand new rear end gear in Bill's 1979 Chevy Malibu Classic. This low mileage survivor car was now sporting a fresh 350 small block Chevy under the hood, a 700R4 transmission and factory highway gears and open differential just wouldn't cut it. Unfortunately after upgrading those gears to a new "budget friendly" 3.73 gear set... bad things happened when the boys repeatedly mashed the Go Baby Go button shoving a few 150 shot doses of nitrous though it. Back to our shop it went to get a more stout set of Richmond 4.11 gears, and all new hardware.
However as you'll quickly see in this video even a simple "take one out, put one in" can go sideways as parts challenges mount and we deal with fitment challenge after fitment challenge. In the end we keep at it until we win and this ride is ready for some fun... AFTER a somewhat gentle break in cycle we can hope! The former SRC / Street Racing Channel / SRC Garage machine is likely going to see some Street Racing of it's own, or at least some bracket racing. Knowing these boys as we do... our money is on BOTH.
We always want to make sure to thank every single one of our viewers, followers, supporters, and subscribers that have made this channel so successful over the past two years. Without all of you cheering us on and encouraging us to keep sharing what we do we would just be talking to ourselves in another dark corner of the internet! So huge huge HUGE thank you to each and every one of you! - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Poor Rich. I know exactly how it feels to be exhausted and frustrated facing what “should be” a simple task, but it fights you. Come back with a clear head and some rest. Nice job Rich, thank you so much.
Sometimes with cars, just like in life, you have to walk away clear your head and start a process over.
Thanks for the upload 👍❤️🇺🇸
As we often say around here, anything worth doing once... is worth doing twice! Surely we aren't the only ones? 🤣
Me too
We do it right cause we do it twice
3rd time's a charm! ;)
It happens. Been there. You do good work. Thanks
I was a Parts and Service Director for 30 years and the parts situation at this current time is pathetic. Rich anyone who has turned wrenches for a living has had those days. Great job Rich.
Came here for the 64 but now I'm here for you guys. Like it a lot.
We've got some pretty cool rides in and out of here, feel free to look around! We appreciate the compliment.
@@LucoreAuto FOR SURE
You are experiencing what smart, talented, skilled, however you term it people experience in any field. The "I know it should be this, why isn't it this" down the rabbit hole lol...great job again.
Very very true, sometimes "knowing" a thing creates more headaches than it fixes. Fortunately with a clear head and time to think we overcame THAT challenge
Great job Bud I've been in your shoes a few times but you are very Honest about what your doing and it's very much Appreciated have a great day from Alabama 👍 watching 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Great content thumbs-up 👌and God bless all
Thanks Freddie we appreciate it!
I love it when a plan comes together!
Your a legend in your own right there dude.. super cool , I found it most interesting actually..
Excellent 👌 well done .
Paul ✌️
Wish you guys were close to me. Good mechanics
We appreciate it! Just some honest workers doing honest work. And getting honestly rather frustrated 🙃
Great content and commentary. It’s awesome to see you capture mistakes like the rest of us..along with the tutorial that’s what makes your videos interesting and enjoyable 👍
Love this shop,,,, come on fam let's get the subs up there!!!
Thanks Kevin we appreciate it! Just a little independent shop trying to share some real wrenching and wins 😀
I watched this video because you worked on it not because it's the Oldman garage s car ....your dry sense of humor is intertaining
Good video 👍
Thanks Donald we appreciate it!
Great video per usual, I feel like setting up rear ends is an art. As a 4th gen F body owner I know the feeling of having a sub par 10 bolt in the car, as that is the whole story line of every F body chat. I upgraded to an 8.8 that I cut the ends off the 10 bolt and had them fabricated to the 8.8 center section. I know Bill is usually in time crunch but a properly setup 8.8 would be perfect for that car and would reduce parasitic drivetrain loss from the 9". I sure hope when he yeets that 10 bolt at the line in the near future A. its on video and B. that he saves some of the pieces for you to hang on the wall for your efforts in trying to preserve it TWICE.
Yes sir, learned a long time ago that if something is fighting you and it's not going as it should step back take a break and clear your head, when you come back with a refreshed mindset usually things will come together better. Thanks to my former boss Big John Toepher (rip) for teaching me that.
Yep it shows why the old man brings his vehicles to you, after getting it put back together you already know that this setup is not going to last under the conditions it's going to be under knowledge is power 👍🏿
Wow,,,no matter the car,,,I just learned a few things,,,awesome video,,,, dig n the channel...🤓💯🇺🇲🤘
Mark A1 auto ur the man!
Indeed he is! He and his crew saved us again on another project this week 🙌
Coming from a parts guy, its amazing you guys drive that far to get some of your parts!
One of the best GM based differential setup videos I have seen. Thank you for the in depth content.
Some days you step in it, some days you don’t!
Oh we were knee deep in it for a while there
Nice work Rich and many thanks for your patience. Like watching you work and your humor.👍
On the bright side you guys do amazing work and always make sure it's done properly instead of just sending it out half assed
A wise man once told me there's no such thing as an easy job those are the ones that screw you every time lol. Great job working through it
Very true, sometimes you just get lucky and things go smoothly. Those are the exception, not the rule.
I learned something today and i enjoyed it.I like the Anti roll bar.Would like to stabilize my T1N Sprinter Van and there isnt much for sale.
When I was young and stupid, I installed 3.73s in a Ford 8.8 rear end. I just reused all the shims that were in it before. I never checked anything. It was perfect! They say God watches out for children, drunks, and fools and I was lucky to be two of those.
Shows the EXTREME value of a great parts guy.
Rebuilt the driveline on 57 C10 PU and used the Chevrolet approved U joint for the driveshaft. The guy assembling everything says: "This thing has at least 50 thou slop in the length of the U joint"
Back to the parts counter at the Chevy dealer to figure out the issue and the guy comes up with the same number. An old guy in the back hollers out: "Is that part number such and such?" and the counter man says yes. OG then replies: "The book is wrong on that one", and calls out (from memory) the specific part number that WILL fit. Sure enough, we measured both before I left and the correct part was .045 bigger than the listed part number.
These guys need a DANA 60 ...
You can tell this ain't your 1st Rodeo for sure.
👍 Don't sell yourself short! I very much enjoy seeing you methodically work through the problems. You and Austin seem like you're are of good character and the combo keeps me coming back and watching more video's. Hell I even watched the wheel balancing video lol
Bummed to see the struggle but that's the game. Nice thorough job I figured the difference in shim was do the the change in ratio
Its nice to see that someone of your knowledge and the quality of work you put out doing some of the same things we do. Love the content!
We're in the trenches doing the same things most enthusiasts are, we just see a whole lot more of it. And a wider range. Thanks for watching, commenting, and supporting us we really appreciate it!
still good ing because alot of us don't have the right tool
i am absolutely loving this video while i sip my whiskey after work ! ty so much !
You and could get along and I am sipping on Good ole Pa Whiskey!! LMAO
i'm old and built over 1000 rears in the last 50 years still building em because i love it .... i set up Zoom gears (made in 3 different countries) also , Getz, Franklin, ,Schiefer, Richmond' OEM , Strange, Perfection, Ohio ,Dana /Spicer-SVL, Motive, Nitro gears and probably a few i no longer remember in street, circle track, drag race from blown alky cars on down to stockers ...on a 7.5/ 7.625 rear .i'd have started with a '030 and patterened em with a toe bias on the teeth a few spots around the ring gear .... i have a pinion setter and a case spreader but rarely use em .. hot rod gear ratio 8620 gears always have a toe biased drive side .. the theory is the pattern moves under a heavy load and the pattern moves to the center .. set up oem style the pattern set in the tooth center would run off the heel .. the best oil for an extreme loaded gearset is RED LINE heavy shock proof oil .. it's synthetic climbing oil and has the film strength of a 250 weight without the viscosity . it looks like thick red tomato soup . i always kept a case at my speed shop .. with Englishtown (R.I.P.) being 20 minutes away and Island, Atco , East Windsor ( R.I.P.) , Wall, and New Egypt not too far either my stick and trans brake customers wouldn't use anything else after my recommendation .. 20 some years ago i first tried it in a friend's 12 bolt with 5:86 gears .. the car was a SS/L '66 Chevy II with a Jerico 4 speed sidestepping the clutch at 11500 rpm .. i also tried it in the former Tony Feil / Dave Hughes '62 Vette my friend began running in A/MP with a tunnel rammed 366 big block with a Liberty Chrysler 4 speed and a 6:17 Dana 60 with 15/33 w slicks .. both cars had the same results .. the oil was good enough to go from 3 ring and pinion sets a season to 1 .. you can see a couple bottles in my profile pic .. ( btw .. never use gears from India).. that's my memory dump for the night.. good luck Mr. Lucore !
Love the '79 Malibu!!
Wish i had mine back!
That thing is as mint as you'll find for a '79, and way WAY more spirited than it was ever designed to be
Thought to self ur kinda got put axles in lol got do twice so it nice
It will have a moser setup in it. My guys at moser know how to build a rearend that’s for sure
You guys should know by now. JUST GO STRAIGHT TO MARK AT A-1 . Best Damm parts guy in the country.
Unfortunately his store is very literally an hour from our shop, but as you see here he's stepped up to save the day once again! ... and after NO ONE else could
wow thank God for tenacity
Stubbornness wins! Though it DID cost almost the entire weekend to get it perfect
👍🏼
Rich is very good at what he does. love watching him wrench and video.
Everyday that i see mark@A1 the more i dont enjoy going to my local auto parts store with high school kids.
Rich your my hero! I’ve done the same thing in one way or another, when you keep thinking about the first part and screw up the last! Plus it doesn’t help when someone comes over and say you lost a 100,000.00 for tying up a rack. But money comes and goes but you did a great job when you stopped over thinking it! Cars will come and go but your legacy is left in the work you’ve done so very well! Congratulations !
Man Rich, that was a real pain in the rear…no pun intended
For SURE. Went from a "we'll just slap it together" to 2 days of frustration 😤
I don't think Bill's gonna drive it hard at all! He never speeds...I better hop off here before lightning strikes!🌩 💨😲
Well .. maybe at least wait til the following day before burnouts and launches with slicks!
@@LucoreAuto Does the cruise to the track count?🤣
@@Loki13M Bill would say yeah!! It's broke in! 💨
Rich I give props for your patience and perseverance, I know it's tuff at times racking your brain over installing parts that just don't go as planned but you Sir powered your way through it and got it done . Hats off to you Rich I'm sure Bill appreciate your Expertise and Knowledge you have.
I'll sub because of great attitude and ability to embrace the suck.
Frugal, using all of that cutting disc.
Waste not want not!
Man, you have a lot of patience
Sometimes that's the #1 thing to get a win. In this case, it paid off.
Glad I found your channel, enjoy your skills and honesty.
There are several well built case spreaders available less than $200. They make removal of the differential easy when you spread the case .015, but more importantly it is the only way to preload new carrier bearings.
You can’t hammer in that much shim without spreading the case.
Assembled without one when the new bearings break in the carrier is loose and failure is next.
I did it without for years. It appears you have all the other tools, I assume you have the clamshell bearing remover because you were swapping shims without hurting the inner bearing. And obviously you have a depth gauge and plenty of knowledge.
Keep up the excellent work!
Thank you for the kind words. We are a student of the process.... We are always learning better ways to do things. I was actually taught how to set side bearing pre-load with out a case spreader at a GM school. I have a case spreader that I use from time to time, but I have gotten used to doing it in an unconventional way. The Pinion depth gauge is a tool I have recently purchased and will be using on the road forward. Soooooo much better than musical shims, and it gives a validated finish. This test drive was perfect.
@@richardlucore6813 I noticed the tool you had to install the side shims.
I enjoy watching talented people perform, I will never stop trying to learn. I am only 57!
Good evening Mr Lucore, now lets see if the old man and friends can keep those gears in the rear end longer than 600 miles!🤪
No bets, no bets.....
Lol you are welcome to start the pool on that 😄
Most gear have the competition contact pattern to ride the toe heavily as lng as the drive centers and is in the middle fromm face to flank the coast side sometimes will ride middle the toe heavily or the heel heavy depending on how well the tooling was when the gears were machined via milled or face hobbing
Hey guys, great on this and all jobs you do. There are still a few great mechanics in the business, and you are prime example.
Awesome man. Great video Shows the real struggles. I will always watch your videos. Very informative and entertaining.. Loved it Love the Humor, Spot on...
Thank you Scott we appreciate it! We do our best to show The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly whenever we can. Checked all 3 off the list on this one!
YA A CURRIE I WILL SAY IT AGAIN ....LOL
@14:05 For a new gear set install I never worry about the coast side as much as the drive side pattern -- never have a problem.
Installing a used set of gears I look at both sides.
I use this method on every rear I setup with great success 🤙🏼
i agree .. i'm old and built over 1000 rears in the last 50 years still building em because i love it .... i set up Zoom gears (made in 3 different countries) also , Getz, Franklin, ,Schiefer, Richmond' OEM , Strange, Perfection, Ohio ,Dana /Spicer-SVL, Motive, Nitro gears and probably a few i no longer remember in street, circle track, drag race from blown alky cars on down to stockers ...on a 7.5/ 7.625 rear .i'd have started with a '030 and patterened em .. i have a pinion setter and a case spreader but rarely use em .. hotrod gear ratio 8620 gears always have a toe biased drive side .. the theory is the pattern moves under a heavy load and the pattern moves to the center .. set up oem style the pattern set in the tooth center would run off the heel .. the best oil for an extreme loaded gearset is RED LINE heavy shock proof oil .. it's synthetic climbing oil and has the film strength of a 250 weight without the viscosity . it looks like thick red tomato soup . i always kept a case at my speed shop .. my stick and trans brake customers wouldn't use anything else after my recommendation .. 20 some years ago i first tried it in a friend's 12 bolt with 5:86 gears .. the car was a SS/L '66 Chevy II with a Jerico 4 speed sidestepping the clutch at 11500 rpm .. i also tried it in the former Tony Feil / Dave Hughes '62 Vette my friend began running in A/MP with a tunnel rammed 366 big block with a Liberty Chrysler 4 speed and a 6:17 Dana 60 with 15/33 w slicks .. both cars had the same results .. the oil was good enough to go from 3 ring and pinion sets a season to 1 .. you can see a couple bottles in my profile pic ..
Good read!
Just think of all that extra content you’re getting 😂😂
A good parts guy like Mark is worth his weight in gold 😜😜😜😜
Mr. Mark, the rock star of auto parts. How did the AMX rear hold up after Kenny`s romp in it? Asking cause he tore up Bill`s. Bill brought me here, but I stayed for your expertise Rich, and Austin`s shenanigans. Quality control on aftermarket parts has left the building. Everybody makes mistakes, but some mechanics never own them. You do, much respect.
The AMX is strong as ever, if you didn't see it the video right before this on our channel is the AMX on the dyno right after we got it back. You can still see the dust and dirt on the sides of it from the "test drive".
We are human and try to be honest about the wins AND the losses. No need to hide them just admit, learn, and move on. Quality control on parts.... whoa that's a whole other series of videos we could do
@@LucoreAuto Glad the AMX is ok, and I did see the dyno video. Tiny tubes are choking it out a bit, should get 10+ hp with headers and bigger pipes. Thanks for answering. You guys post it, I will watch it. I`m 64 and still learning, sometimes it hurts my wallet😁. Example-2002 Dodge Neon-P0172 code and bad gas mileage. New parts in order of appearance-air filter, plugs, map sensor, pcv valve, iac valve, injectors, O2 sensors. Money light still on. Got a inexpensive scanner, fuel trims -25, then i saw the throttle position at 12% without engine running...78% at WOT. Frustrating for a guy just trying to keep his old junk running. Code states rich bank 1.It might just be a tps, but It never crossed my mind until i got the Ancel AD410 and saw the tps @12%. Am I correct in thinking the tps is bad? Car has been good to my family, but I`m at my wits end and broke.
Loading the ring gear when running the pattern?
Just to start off with I'm here because of you all the fact that the old man's Malibu is there is nothing more than a added bonus. I've turned wrenches since the mid 70s until my accident in o7 that left me disabled and I can a honest hard working mechanic from a dishonest one, unfortunately I've met to many dishonest ones and when they open their mouth is when the lies start and they don't think I know anything about turning wrenches and sometimes I get so tired of all the lies when I get ready to leave I look them in the eyes and tell them that I have forgotten more about working on vehicles than they will ever know and walk out and leave, your a very smart tech and that's why I watch your channel. For anyone that says they have not made a mistake in this business their lieing to everyone and their the ones I won't let them work on my vehicles. God bless you guys and as always be safe 👍
Talk Bill into putting some directional tips on those mufflers at least, I can't imagine that extra heat is doing that overworked axle any good.
Great work as usual, sometimes its easy to overthink things and forget the tools you have on hand to help out.
Some turn down tips kicked to the outside would be excellent to get the heat off that rear end for sure. Not sure it's a contributing factor to the failure... but "pre heating" it probably didn't help!
And yes... sometimes you forget the specialty tool you have on hand to do SPECIFICALLY this... and you waste 7 hours 🙄
Nice video! Great job!!!
Thank you Sir, much appreciated!
@@LucoreAuto
All good! Hopefully Bill lays off of it this time! HAHAHAHAHA probably not.
Did it mash the crush sleeve?
Cant Blame it Uncle Bucko this time!!!!! And let bill know!!!!!
Uncle Bucko was the only one NOT involved in the shenanigans! 😉
Time for a 9 inch. Love your videos.
I wish I had your knowledge of gears and the ability to build rear difs.
Don't worry !! It will be back soon !!! Bill asked who he should do a car build collaboration with and myself and several others voted Lucore !!!!!! You 2 together would build an awesome car together. Especially his Nova !!!!
Definitely not a warranty job
Lol no definitely not. 🤣
Tighten the backlash up and it wouldn't have eaten the gears up ..I'm sure you guys know that with the bigger backlash setup for highway/strip driving will cause that ...I always cut the backlash in half what they call for with street/strip use...
My friend Larry setup his 69 mustang mach111 428 super Cobra jet 411 gears back out garage test hit destroyed both axels and ring pinion not good day
Ohhhhh that sounds like a VERY not good day! Expensive ouch 😫 what was the failure point?
@@LucoreAuto 2 780 Holley's tunnel ram roller rockers 6 grand side stepping clutch wreckers or checkers at least the rods didn't come out the side of block that day
Should B good !
Fingers crossed!
Love the video!! You guy Rock!! Hopefully I'll be swapping my open 3.08 gears for 3.73 posi carrier and ring and pinion this coming weekend in my 67 firebird with a BOP 10 bolt, I actually got the same diff cover as the one bill got for the Malibu!!!
We've got some more Pontiac fun coming soon... actually a whole lot more of it coming soon. The '70 455 LeMans is getting rear end upgrades for sure... and there are a couple other Indians hiding around waiting their turns 😉
@@LucoreAuto that's awesome can't wait to see them!!! Someday I'm gonna have to make the drive out to your shop!!!! I'm in south East Ohio!!
good job! , Some times we over think , I've done it in my shop many times
you are a trooper... yes that's why most shops don't do that type of work...
Did you wind up putting in a pro series gear set this time, instead of the street series? Lol
Just guessing.
No pun intended but that reminds me of my first ring and pinion replacement on my 64 Falcon Sprint after the 3rd clutch replacement 16 at the time a speed shifting maniac 😆 even busted the stock shifter banging 3rd gear split my knuckle on the ash tray door that was perfectly aligned with 3rd gear throw those were the days😁😂✌
Great, yet exhaustive work!
There's a possibility that I might be getting a complete '76 AMC Hornet Sportabout wagon and a complete '07 LQ4 6.0 LS... might be some good content for you guys to work your magic on. Hope to be contacting you soon about that.
I build lot rearends try stay away from full synthetic oil in car thats street driven and race you will get lot wear on gears
so, what would you recommend?
9 inch from trick chassis or from quick performance
We all know pinion depth was wrong when set up last.wear like that don't happen all of a sudden,it been grinding up from day one .
Awesome video, that bitch fought you a lot. Great job.
It did just about every step of the way, but in the end we win. Now, how long that battle will last... who knows!
Over thinking it my man
Lubricity of the gear oil? Since when does the lubricity of the gear oil have a HP rating?
more lash would help make it live longer race cars need more back lash because of the added heat.
you seem to have put a defective design differential cover on it. get a original OEM differential cover.
Should have c-clip eliminateder installed
Billy screwed the rear end up when they took it apart he mess the alignment all up when they pulled it apart
hi all hang on DID YOU STUMP THE CHUMP ??? spain lol
The Chump saved our butts on this one actually, thank GOD he snagged that second set of bearings. We hope Bill is OK with Spain, unfortunately USA was just plain not available
The Chump said : "YOU MAY NOT PASS.... but here's your parts! Have a nice day!"
Hope you get paid by the hour lol
Three things the Old Man needs to do to that car #1 pull the hood insulation off and #2 or add an air cleaner and #3 turn the exhaust away from the differential.
I have an 8.8 I need 4.88 how much you charge I just bring axle?
C-clip eliminators
Another fine job,Rich. Now if Bill lets it break in a little before he starts abusing it maybe he`ll get more than 600 miles out of it.
Not a great time to need parts another great video
Bruh we all know the 7.5 won't hold get ready to replace damaged quarter panel or even hole car axles won't hold even if they Moser or strange done been there done that
That 75/140 syn. Isn't going to do that posi. Any favors
Anything that can be done to give a SLIGHTLY better chance of survival is worth it!
what would you recommend a 12 bolt or 9 inch
You guys do great work! But I do have a comment/ suggestion.... I'm surprised you don't have a bearing / race install tool. Maybe you don't do enough to quantify having one... but man does it make life easier to install the races. Keep on rocking out videos guys!