Day in the Life of an Automotive Technician

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  • @DJ-T-JAY
    @DJ-T-JAY 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Now do 25 oil changes a day to make your day. Then get yelled at when you miss a recommendation.

  • @TheHAMR1111
    @TheHAMR1111 7 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    He's a world class tech and he tightens the oil filter with the wrench

    • @Drew-wf7vw
      @Drew-wf7vw 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Looked a little awkward to do it by hand where it was located, he did specify "just make it snug" I don't see where your issue is

    • @tigergreg8
      @tigergreg8 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I agree Ice 100% If that filter were to leak because of hand tightening in that position, THEN, he wouldn't be considered a world class tech.

    • @alfonz0010
      @alfonz0010 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@tigergreg8 my g8 and avalanche have same filter location. You don't need a oil wrench for tightening.

    • @maximagmhondafan8892
      @maximagmhondafan8892 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hand tighten oil filters and I only had one customer come back because of that. On a damn Jeep Liberty were the oil filters are close to impossible to reach.

    • @jamesellis33
      @jamesellis33 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alfonz0010 you have just been lucky that is it.

  • @alexpetrie4508
    @alexpetrie4508 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    That supervisor is like, "damn faster kid"

  • @deityreefer6617
    @deityreefer6617 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The added noise in the background was gonna kill me

  • @arthursmith643
    @arthursmith643 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hand tight only on the oil filter. The wrench is not needed to get it tight enough. Make sure the old seal comes off with the old filter. Some guys use that wrench and crush the new seal and it will start leaking.

  • @ryans413
    @ryans413 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My first car I learned so much just working on it and yes it’s rewarding to fix something with your hands and get the car running again. When you have the whole engine apart and then put it all back together and the first turn of the key and it starts is hella rewarding. All this long hours those tough nights to get to that point where it turns over and runs even better then before is such a great conference boost.

  • @annawilliams1430
    @annawilliams1430 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved this, thank you for sharing!

  • @Javi_quinty
    @Javi_quinty 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wanted to be a technician right after high school at my old job and my manager ruined that and I wasn’t sure if that’s what I want. But now I’m getting a new job doing oil changes and other automotive duties and I think this is a sign that there’s a second chance for anything

  • @LiftedSilveradoBuild
    @LiftedSilveradoBuild 7 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    Annnnnnnd I stopped watching after he was advised to tighten the oil filter with the filter wrench.... Embarrassing and makes all of us look bad.

    • @moparmania86
      @moparmania86 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      With that engine you kinda have to because there isn't room to get your hand around the filter to get it tight enough. Otherwise I would agree. Usually that's not something you wanna do.

    • @Mhutch405
      @Mhutch405 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Lifted Silverado Build ohhh shut up

    • @JoeFpoc
      @JoeFpoc 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ive been a mechanic for many years and for some reason when ever we get a oil change that previously had a oil change a dealer you know your in for a fight with the oil filter, they always seem to make them as tight as possible for some reason.

    • @thatmechanicguy8773
      @thatmechanicguy8773 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      JOE FPOC, and literally almost every vehicle I've seen come from an independent has been hacked together, misdiagnosed, or not fixed properly. Are we really going to go down this road? The Chevrolet truck engine oil filters are almost impossible to tighten or loosen by hand because of the design that of the oil pan.

    • @JoeFpoc
      @JoeFpoc 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Sheesh you are a angry tech to get mad at that comment. I also won't get into how we get vehicles all the time from dealerships where they told the customer they needed thousands in repair when they didn't. All mechanics suck

  • @cat-lw6kq
    @cat-lw6kq 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    you have to like working with your hands, I used to do all of my won work with the help of a friend and my full time job was a tech at AT&T where I did wire wrap and soldering, if you like working with your hands ok, otherwise just be another office worker.

  • @marioiacolucci
    @marioiacolucci 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He did good!

  • @lar4305
    @lar4305 6 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Wow! a white t shirt and not one single oil spot on it after he was done? He went belly on the floor to set the lift and no dirt on him. hahahaha.

    • @marybetheby5184
      @marybetheby5184 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      lar4305 TV magic =fake!!

    • @marioiacolucci
      @marioiacolucci 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      He did good!😁

    • @davidcampbell1899
      @davidcampbell1899 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea! That was my first clew this guy have never worked on a car, never owned an old shit box while stuggling to get through university. (spoiled little rich kid)

  • @marioiacolucci
    @marioiacolucci 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great job

  • @olenaerhardt7725
    @olenaerhardt7725 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You need to wear gloves, to put a fresh (not old) oil on the gasket of the oil filter, and handtighten the filter as many commented before. I wouldn't make any jokes about that work, too much responsibilities there, any mistakes are dangerous. I think the work of a technician, it is like a walk on the rope. God Bless.

  • @Beerissmoke12
    @Beerissmoke12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a tech myself seeing this guy do an oil change made me want to yell at him, yet at the same time, I have to understand that some people just don't know how to do these things and that's why there is a market from this Service.

    • @ryans413
      @ryans413 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some probably know how to do it but don’t have a garage or driveway or the tools too do it. Just cause someone takes there car too the shop dose not mean they have no clue how to do it

  • @PhillyDee215
    @PhillyDee215 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool video!!!

  • @markkukowski3710
    @markkukowski3710 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Wow! So first, you have to find the vehicle on the lot, put it on the lift properly (Don't blow a tire - they tend to not like that), set up the lift in the correct spots, reset the oil life monitor, put an updated oil sticker on the window. Check wipers, lights, horn and e-brake. Then, go to computer and log onto the job. Open hood: Check belts, hoses, filters (which are not easy to get to these days), fluid levels, etc. Then, lift up: Drain oil and try to remove filter (because Hercules put it on). Go to parts department - Wait till they get done doing what they're doing: Give them your RO and get the parts.Come back and install the filter. Check all suspension, tires, cooler lines and pipes, check all components for leaks. Then pull wheels, check brakes, rotate tires. Write down all the specs in the multi-point program. Lower vehicle. Fill with oil. Then, go to the computer and write your story for the work you've done and if you found anything, go to parts: Wait your turn again: Get prices and then go back to your computer and get labor times: Give to your service writer who is too busy to talk to you. Wait till he comes out and says "They declined the work you recommended". Then you relearn the tire sensors, punch off the RO. Finnish the multi-point indicating that the customer declined the work. Then, double check the drain plug (because you forgot if you tightened it). Pull the vehicle out an start the next job.Collect your 0.4 of an hour pay for the 1.0 hour you just spent on the job. Piece of cake! I freekin love my job -

    • @ADDMEONPSN
      @ADDMEONPSN 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Straight Bullshit I get .2 hours for all that at Midas

  • @jlc7300
    @jlc7300 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    should have checked the air pressure in the tires too, we do

  • @merkur8777
    @merkur8777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Left unsaid is the issue of pay. Many dealers pay .1 hours for an oil change. That's a measly 6 minutes. Carry that scenario on out to most other repairs; especially repairs under warranty.

    • @theseth1238
      @theseth1238 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've never worked at a dealership that pays .1 for and oil change. An oil change and tire rotation is .5 at the dealership im at currently. If you're making .1 you need to quit.

    • @fuckjewtube69
      @fuckjewtube69 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah don't worry about oil changes. Cylinder heads pay 8-20 hours. Camshafts pay 30 hours. Timing chains on 3.6 pay 20 hours. All those jobs can be done in 1 day. Oil changes are for inspections.

  • @ridds777
    @ridds777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Warranty time.. Talk about that..

    • @guicefat
      @guicefat 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤮

  • @PaggiPlumbing
    @PaggiPlumbing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love the background shop noises lmao 🤣

  • @nipandebnath5993
    @nipandebnath5993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    which country

  • @zakorkaz
    @zakorkaz 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The day I quit being an auto mechanic was the best day of my life. No more working flat rate. No more hot, summer shops. No more "grease monkey" label. I use my mechanical skills to work on robotics and automation now and get paid a real wage. Dealerships and the publics opinion of mechanics is what's driving the shortages. Not to mention the awful wages, benefits and amount of money wasted on tools you'll never be able to pay back. Glad I kept this as a hobby only.

    • @TiberiusStorm
      @TiberiusStorm 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm trying to decide a trade. I've narrowed it down to Auto Technician or Instrument technician. The Instrument Tech training looks really daunting but if I decide to do it and get through it, that'd be a much better job I think!

    • @salvipanda9646
      @salvipanda9646 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      BowHunter77 a grease monkey is a lube tech. A tech will do diags, replace parts and explain to you the whole system. Even go as far as doing overhauls of the most complicated systems such as hybrids and the like.

    • @salvipanda9646
      @salvipanda9646 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      BowHunter77 and about ur career, well not everyone likes the same thing.

    • @zakorkaz
      @zakorkaz 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      You'll be much happier if you skip the Auto Mechanic trade. I don't know anybody that started with me back in 2005 that still works on cars. It's a terrible industry that is waaaaaay behind date.

    • @zakorkaz
      @zakorkaz 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was a certified ASE tech. I was a level B tech and worked on driveability problems along with everything else that came in. Diagnosis on the rate only pays 1 hr, so if it takes you longer you're paying to fix that car out of your own pocket. Once they sell the customer on the repair you recommend you start getting paid again. You MIGHT make money but usually you end up even or below.

  • @nw4496
    @nw4496 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They used the wrong oil filter, absolutely mint

  • @Hamid1382
    @Hamid1382 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Car technician or car electrician???
    Which is better????????

  • @robertmclaugh
    @robertmclaugh 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    at 2:41 wheres your saftey goggles? cmom maaan

    • @Nathan-cv6sm
      @Nathan-cv6sm 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Rob McLaughlin who wears glasses when changing oil? Gotta be pretty special to fuck that up...

    • @Xixu.co.6
      @Xixu.co.6 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Safety goggles lmao

    • @ryancourtney8607
      @ryancourtney8607 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Nathan-cv6sm I went to a chevy dealership for a while and left after 6 months because of all the sagety regulations you have to wear goggles all the time pretty stupid

    • @fuckjewtube69
      @fuckjewtube69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Nathan-cv6sm Because a piece of rust can fall in your eye and get imbedded in your cornea and they have to dig it out and it will cause an eye ulcer which literally feels like having a piece of glass in your eyeball and you wont be sleeping for 5 days straight. Ask me how I know.

    • @marioiacolucci
      @marioiacolucci 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Safety first always

  • @marioiacolucci
    @marioiacolucci 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job

  • @thedavephan
    @thedavephan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Hand 👏 tighten 👏 the 👏 oil 👏 filter 👏

    • @jamesellis33
      @jamesellis33 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      There is no way you are going to hand tighten the filter on that Suburban. lol If you didn't notice there is no clearance to do that. I guess you fooled a couple of people pretending to know. I work at Lincoln I should know.

  • @ssimon64
    @ssimon64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Don't forget to check the old oil filter for the rubber gasket. It would suck iif the original gasket stuck to the motor and you didn't notice and ended up with a double gasket/oil leak at the filter 👍

  • @michor10
    @michor10 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He forgot to go all Conan The Barbarian on the oil filter. You know, like you dealers like to.

  • @recklessgamer5857
    @recklessgamer5857 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s supposed to be hand tight lol uses oil wrench

  • @alfredoj9791
    @alfredoj9791 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    LOL tightens the oil filter with the wrench... i thought he was a veteran at his job? that filter only needs to be hand tight. what a joke of a tech

    • @traerose5599
      @traerose5599 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alfredo J right the vacuum of the system will pull it in.

  • @richardobenshine1
    @richardobenshine1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow i real wish it was that easy didn't know u were auto technician because u can do an oil change smh. Funny video and yeah im cursing u out people that put oil filter back on too tight.

  • @wyattandwill12
    @wyattandwill12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's so awesome to make a living doing what you love

  • @halowatch521
    @halowatch521 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The guy still already seems more competent then our lube tech

  • @peterjedsawyer4364
    @peterjedsawyer4364 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    don't change oil before a service inspection always after so you can properly identify hidden leaking.

    • @mr.mckinnon5680
      @mr.mckinnon5680 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Peter Schissel ... it's a Chevy pickup truck...small block Chevy... Start at the intake and work your way down. Properly identify leaks? Take your pick. do you want to fix the exhaust leak on number 7? Or would you like to fix the coolant leak between 3 and 5?

  • @mikedewsberry1774
    @mikedewsberry1774 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    ALSO KNOWN AS PARTS REPLACERS.

    • @tristanfuentes5068
      @tristanfuentes5068 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mike Dewsberry fuck u!😂😂

    • @blaise-876
      @blaise-876 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mike Dewsberry also a person who does what they love because it's their passion and it actually makes them money

    • @Xixu.co.6
      @Xixu.co.6 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yea because the car diagnoses itself

    • @joesmith482
      @joesmith482 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Pays .20 hours and that’s the only job of the day he’ll get cause business is slow. So he gets .20 for the day

  • @joshuaford9714
    @joshuaford9714 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone worth their salt as a tech will tell you that cars aren’t much more complicated than they were 20 years ago on the whole.

  • @danielduque9941
    @danielduque9941 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    i really really want to work in field of mechanic so can anyone knows want to get apprentices or helper? i'm willing to learn @Delmarva Life

    • @jrmob8765
      @jrmob8765 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Daniel Duque u can try too go into a community college

    • @donny4405
      @donny4405 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      look up UTI (United Technical Institution)

  • @Greg18m7
    @Greg18m7 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bruh wears a white t shirt he obviously wasn’t informed lol

  • @Transient901
    @Transient901 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    WOW...It's No wonder that people do not want to repair automobiles anymore.

    • @davidb8523
      @davidb8523 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wdym it looks fun and interesting i cant wait to go to tech school

  • @jefrey5578
    @jefrey5578 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is why I never take my truck to get an oil change. Never tighten the filter with a wrench and max ft lbs for oil plug is 20 ft pounds.

    • @tigergreg8
      @tigergreg8 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ya, and that is why your filter may leak because your hand position wasn't good enough to tighten it. Have fun with your blown engine.

    • @alfonz0010
      @alfonz0010 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tigergreg8 SMH

    • @thedavephan
      @thedavephan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My cars service manual calls for 25lb. So you are wrong and can’t be trusted. 😉😉😉🤪

    • @alfonz0010
      @alfonz0010 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thedavephan jackass

    • @lsgamiing2446
      @lsgamiing2446 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lots of cars are over 20ft lbs...

  • @cadenkrause8079
    @cadenkrause8079 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    At they end they were all like “good job!! Wow!!!” He just did a simple oil change 😂🤦‍♂️ The service manager says this is a highly skilled profession, yet they demonstrate an oil change. Gets the wrong point across when most shops have quick lube centers that will hire anybody off the street with no certifications to change oil and rotate tires and do inspections.

  • @mr.mckinnon5680
    @mr.mckinnon5680 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    that guy wouldn't last one day in the pits. it's all fun and games. Until the diesel rolls in. it's hilarious to hear all the dreams and aspirations of how a newbie technicians are going to make millions of dollars in the automotive industry. until they realize they're only getting paid 6 minutes at a time. and trust me, being boiled in oil and having your skin dyed black from head to toe, is definitely not worth .5.

    • @ramonm.1553
      @ramonm.1553 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Reel Tech 😂😂 I hated the pit

  • @rj11wacat
    @rj11wacat 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:03 - "This is a filter wrench right?" --- As he's putting the wrench on the filter.

  • @Aussie50InspiredDavidZ
    @Aussie50InspiredDavidZ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The dude doesn't have safety glasses on and is changing oil????? What the? Lmfaooo. What leaking fluids like coolant or oil drips down or the truck underside is full of dirt and it drops in his eyes??

  • @williamcook2499
    @williamcook2499 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    A JOB in this field requires a lot. And one mishap icould cost the customer and the shop a ton in so many ways. And those guys working on our car...make very little compaired to most trades when it cost so much to stay in it.... toolz are so expensive... and forever. So... hard to stay loyal to the customer. I mean the logical place for the technical person that has to be for the customers but they say fuck you about the prices it cost f9r their private privileges to drive their vehicle they bought. Most Technicians have as much money in tools to work on your piece of shit than in their home and cars combined. But the prices for a good Auto Technician don't increase. Most don't have any benifits amd retirement ... yeah.... wtfe. His toolbill out of his pocket and will never stop. His training.... will never be enough od ever stop. These cars are increasingly built more and more cheaply shile they become more nd more difcicult to diagnose and the public more ignorant of what they are paying for....to prolong the combustion engine. Enjoy that turbo.... gonna get your money's worth from that stuff like they they did in the 80's... works great... when it works. That last part.... "I think you would make a great Technician".... BLAHAHHAHAGA.... guy doesnt know how to chamge oil... didnt know what is the frame... .but didn't he say he took some sort of schooling? "Snoozing"

  • @thelifestyle1296
    @thelifestyle1296 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hope to work to your company

  • @stendecstretcher4983
    @stendecstretcher4983 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can still service modern cars. I’m no mechanic but I service all my family cars.Tip always wear gloves and lubricate and only hand tighten the filter.

    • @jenkathefridge3933
      @jenkathefridge3933 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Saftey is the number one priority

  • @bjmccoy5638
    @bjmccoy5638 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    it's not that dirty. I've seen worse. go work at Thompson industrial service for about a month. You find out a new dirty to job standards lol

  • @michor10
    @michor10 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Please stay away from it. Just back off and give the keys to the tech. Thank you. :D

  • @patcupolo9274
    @patcupolo9274 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Must not be as good as rhe guy in the white shirt, I just check my oil, and get grease or oil on myself. Yes I would like a job that you don’t get dirty😇

  • @t-bone6864
    @t-bone6864 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a bunch of squares.

  • @bodhibriar9683
    @bodhibriar9683 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    He is one in a million, best among many, most trusted , I almost gave up on trading then I met him through a friend, Austin is the most trusted trading expert who helped the life of my family and I ,

    • @bodhibriar9683
      @bodhibriar9683 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      -+/1/5/3/0/4/2/8/5/8/70/W/h/a/t/s/A/p/p/< With> /
      A/U/s/t/In/

  • @ryanmeana6170
    @ryanmeana6170 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    that guy dont know what his doing lol

  • @peterjedsawyer4364
    @peterjedsawyer4364 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    GM is too easy to fix. In my experience it's just cheap Aluminum Engines easy to fix. If you want a real challenge then Fords Triton Motor would be the perfect obstacle. The Triton Motor is very powerful Engine more powerful then Vortec depending on the liter size. GM just thinks the bigger the liter size the better the outcome on a pushrod. Ford matched GM 8.1L V8 gasoline fueled with a powerful 6.8L V10 gasoline fueled. When it comes to Diesel alternatives Ford takes the Lead.

    • @strykerls3740
      @strykerls3740 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow you are so smart! Congrats asshat. LS motors always been the number 1 for swaps. They shit all over those slow ass tritons. Only good thing Ford does is the 5.0 and the power stroke.

  • @caitlynnoble8817
    @caitlynnoble8817 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No , it not just about your son can be a automotive mechanic.your daughter could be a automotive mechanic too .girl or boy can be a automotive tech /mechanic .😡😡😡😡😡

  • @diegoalfredogutierrezcruz1175
    @diegoalfredogutierrezcruz1175 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    do someone know how much money an automotive technician earn¡??

  • @db_outlaw8278
    @db_outlaw8278 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    He’s so hot 🤤🔥

  • @brendand.2269
    @brendand.2269 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hahahaha wheres your torque wrench clown? Lol

    • @joelopez40oz23
      @joelopez40oz23 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You are the clown if you think a torque wrench gets used in the real world when doing an oil change.

    • @ronijr4918
      @ronijr4918 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joelopez40oz23 😂😂he is a diy * probably*

  • @basitabdul771
    @basitabdul771 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi sir I'm basit car mechanic I need job in your company I'm best experience pliz

  • @colbybryan7761
    @colbybryan7761 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn a lot of people sure bitch about hand tightening a filter 😂😂😂.

  • @PeaceBeTheJourney.
    @PeaceBeTheJourney. 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mugs game

  • @auxmike
    @auxmike 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gloves! Use them.
    This kid better stick to Jiffy lube...

  • @bjmccoy5638
    @bjmccoy5638 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:17. am I doing something wrong. no that's were your weak ass hasn't change oil in a vehicle in a long time. lol kids these day man.

  • @269KID1
    @269KID1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    wtf!

  • @venom17a
    @venom17a 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    now u c y ALWAYS wear gloves lol...noob

  • @johnnywrench9669
    @johnnywrench9669 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Goofs

  • @fuckjewtube69
    @fuckjewtube69 ปีที่แล้ว

    For all the shade tree backyard mechanics in the comments. GM tells you 3/4 to 1 turn after it touches is how you tighten the filters. Yes you can do that with a filter wrench. You are backyard mechanics for a reason. Quiet.