COFFEELOCK! (Infinite Spell Slots D&D Combo)
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- The famous Coffeelock combo / tutorial! Perfect for crazy powerful and hilarious sorcerer / warlock multiclassing. This is a very famous combo, not one of my own invention!
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Maybe we need a campaign where the main antagonist is a former adventurer who figured out all these combos and uses them against the party.
Yeah live that for a high level group or they will be deleted.
"Okay everyone, this is your very first encounter with the BBEG... he casts 37 fireballs."
Oh I'd love my whole party to be sucked into the Astral plain because the antagonist threw a bag of holding into another bag of holding.
The only problem with confronting players with meta cheese, is that it will only prompt them to dig deeper into the rules to find even more disgustingly broken interactions.
@@jarowan Isn't that a good thing, the creativity alone would mean that you could end up with some ludicrous level plays.
Meanwhile patron: I am a fu**ing battery to you?!
Sacrifice something nice routinely to keep them in good mood.
My character: “do you want the honest answer or the one that will make you feel good about yourself?”
@@PhoenixofEclipse yes
I see the Sorlock just vibrating from the sheer amount of coffee they drink to avoid taking a long rest
"bro I sacrificed my entire family for this"
"Okay, Worcerer, how many fireballs would you like to cast?"
"Yes."
Sorlock
Sorlock.
Sorlock is better, but you could've at least spelled Warcerer correctly.
Then add the feat spell sniper. shooting fireballs from 300ft
@@eric_moore-6126 You're right, I *could* do that.
I can just picture the PC all messed up due to no sleep, jittering, and just sparking with magic, "LETSGO!"
Lol, yelling "SSSget it!" as he Leeroy Jenkins headfirst into a dungeon, only to be crushed by the first trap
@@123q3rqwe 🤣 Oh yeah, I could totally see that. Adding Leeroy is the icing to this cake!
I imagine this happening to a feylock PC who went a little too manix pixie for his own good
Im seeing Tweak from southpark...
@@TheDtroupe That's extremely accurate 🤣
DnD is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits.
None whatsoever! *sips at a cup of Yorkshire gold*
ahah! good reference
@@PhoenixofEclipse i see you are a man of culture aswell.
Not a single one!
Imagine the first person who said that, now imagine the first person to hear that saying :"Hold my tea"
you now have infinite spell slots and a dm who is just about to stab you with a +3 longsword
Might be better to have the Warlock Patron show up to complain/demand a Sacrifice of Flail Snails
Or they have a game with time pressure and PC's can't take short rests whenever they want. Well, they can, but that bad guy is going to summon that demon in an hour regardless of the PC's actions.
Mistystep + movement should be enough to kite any martial. Or Armor of agythis + shield. When spell slots aren’t an issue neither really is anyone else
I guess this combo is the part where the God(ess) of the Night comes in to reclaim their domain. They have reasons why they need all races to sleep. Also, they hate elves.
@@99zxk This is the right answer. You can't stop your PCs from doing exploits, but you can give those exploits substantial consequences. That way, it's an interesting cost/benefit analysis every time.
This is a famous combo, not one I made up!
1. Use all Sorcery Points to generate temporary spell slots.
2. Use all Warlock spell slots to generate more sorcery points!
3. Take a short rest.
4. Repeat steps 1-3, building more and more temporary spell slots. Never take a long rest (RAW you don't have to). Enjoy!
(There is an optional rule Wizards of the Coast added in Xanathar's Guide to Everything that adds levels of exhaustion when you don't long rest. It's up to your DM whether they add it to the game, but it does make this combo harder, as you then need to burn some spells on Greater Restoration each day to remove your exhaustion!)
Hate to be that guy, but I found one problem with that.
Xanathar's PG 78, Going Without a Long Rest
It states that if you do not long rest after 24 hours, you could actually get exaughested. As far as I can tell, it says nothing about "going 24 hours without Sleep" specificaly.
From what can tell, and this might be my interpertation of the rule, but that means that you still need to gain the benifits of a long rest if you don't want to make Con saves.
Just becuase you don't need to sleep dosen't mean that your mental state doesn't need to wind down.
@@loganfrandrup6590 The problem I have with this ruling is, that taking 8 short rest, consisting of nothing but light activity are basically the same as a long rest without sleep, consisting of only light activity.
Because a long rest can be interrupted by up to an hour of strenous activity like fighting, doing the spell slot conversion should not be an issue
Aspect of the moon removes the need to sleep, but not the need to take long rests. As stated in XGtE, you gain exhaustion levels from !not taking long rests!, not by not sleeping.
So I am sad to say that this combo does not work anymore and has been fixed.
Tough of course, sorlocks are still one of the best, if not the best, multiclass, regardless
@@lymbasluchs It is "basically the same", but it is not the same RAW, obviously the intention of the rule (not mentioning sleep but long rests) was to specifically remove builds like this. Imo no DM should allow it
@UCbCgf4K2S3Hkkd6w8M_8akA You don't need to, there is no such limit for spell slots, and so all sorcery points that would go above your limit simply get converted into sorcery spells.
So warlock spell slots (recharge on a short rest) -> sorcery points (max is fixed!) -> sorcerer spell slots (max is not fixed)
"You now have infinite spell slots, as long as you have infinite time to continually short rest! Enjoy!"
And never actually need them, as you'll likely be going through them faster than you'd be able to restore them.
Except it doesnt work because you have a sorcery point maximum limit. . .
@@mrstrawhat9227it does work because you can just keep stacking your spell slots every short rest, no it’s not technically infinite but I mean if you really wanted to spend six in game months preparing for the BBEG by short resting and stacking spells (kinda like Mechamaru in JJK) then it definitely does work.
Hey this combo works great if you and your party are okay with your character being the archetype of: “a lazy bastard that’s incredibly strong when he’s not being slothful”
It was clarified by Crawford that you still need long rests to avoid exhaustion, even if those long rests don't require sleep.
He's also made extremely dumb calls before. I don't blame people for not calling upon his knowledge.
Yes, but at later levels you can get past that with a spell, I think greater restoration? (granted that's like 100gp per day but depending on the campaign it might not be that much of an issue, especially if you're doing this in preparation for the climax of the campaign or something)
@@nerovalentine865 And if you go divine soul sorcerer, fuck resting.
@@nerovalentine865 If you are going to do this and the campaign was rather lenient on spell components, be prepared to either have your payments be cut or diamond dust wells to run dry, as the DM will mostly take steps to stop you from doing that kind of nonsense.
@@stammesbruder nah, it’s fun nonsense
When your patron gives you a finite portion of power and you hit 'em with the "please sir may i have some more"
"So, what does your character do while the team does a long rest?"
"Knitting. I'm the party's Christmas gift provider."
Dm: Knitting is light activity and counts as a long rest, better start running in circles or lifting weights.
*Jacked Wizard gaining more spell slots*
Dm: I believe mistakes were made.
Page 101 of the PHB "you can never have more sorcery points than shown on the table for your level"
Except the exploit isn't infinite sorcery points but infinite temporary spell slots.
The exploit here doesn't break the sorcery points max
Alternate title: How to piss off your DM, probably.
genie warlock at lvl 10 gets to have 10 min short rests inside there vessel. and can hide inside 2x prof bonus hours.
I believe a long rest isn't directly tied to sleeping, just 8 hours of light activity. If you choose to short rest 8 times in a row, I would argue that's the same as a long rest. Even if it isn't, not taking long rest still causes exhaustion following XGtE RAW
I would think not needing to sleep bypasses that, but even if it doesn’t in your game, the famous “cocaine lock” adds to this combo by removing exhaustion each day with greater restoration spam! Even then, the XGtE rule is an optional addition, not a hard fact! (Although personally I would always use it to put a limit on this combo)
From one hand, if the player only short rests for over 8-10 hours then yes you should punish them for it. But on the other hand saying that they get exhausted for not taking a long rest when they have the exact thing that stops them from needing/able to use long rests... That will likely make you make a surprise appearance on r/dndhorrorstorys
@@DnDShorts Yeah I think if you wanna get 1 or 2 extra spells from it as a DM I would be fine with it. If I see my players resting for more a dragon might just suddenly crash land near them.
@@Sulferlines theres a difference between saying they need to still long rest but can do light activity (as per what the moon aspect says), and saying they need to still sleep.
@@DnDShorts Aspect of the Moon comes from XGtE, therefore if it's available, taking exhaustion for not resting also applies. The player does not get to decide whether they have a long rest or not, unless they literally prevent themselves from resting by running around the house every 45 minutes or something.
Coffeelock is not a legal build, by any weird mental convolutions, neither is cocainelock for the same reason.
I wish more classes had this kind of delicious synergy.
that is not where the synergy ends here too.
hexblade gives you medium armor, as well as HBC.
HBC + quicken eldritch blast is extremely powerful, usually probably even more powerful than spamming 5th level spells haha
I love how many different ways there are to break the game by combining Warlock and Sorcerer. My favorite is combining Hexblade and Divine Soul to get a proper rebuild of the Favored Soul without the limit of a single weapon type. It's pretty gnarly when you can access three spell trees and have multiple buffs active at once (such as Armor of Agathys, Death Ward, Mirror Image, and Haste).
Damn!
Me and my players have a rule that whenever we’re making characters, we can’t use any of your combos, and I was about to use this one to absolutely DESTROY the campaign. But now I need to think of better ways to destroy the universe.
you could make infinite potions with warlock/artificer alchemist multiclass
all this would take to counter is the dm either putting a limit on how many points you can have or just forcing some type of long rest on the party periodically. mysterious contract/mission giver arrives by putting everyone to sleep and appearing in their dreams, everyone is forced asleep for the night resulting in a full rest before every big mission.
That's a terrible rule, since eventually all the combos will be in this videos, he will eventually run out of powerful combos and will have to bring fun combos that aren't broken, but just fun.
If you guys need something to stop OP combos, just accept that multiclass and feats are optional and stop using them.
@@99zxk They will also stop letting more than one player in a campaign since some of the OP stuff mentioned here actually uses two players with one character each to pull out a combo. So eventually you can't bring any spellcaster and a barbarian to do a combo for grappling. It's really a bad idea to stop using combos by someone because it will eventually lead to not combos.
Aspect of the moon literally says you still need to take long rests, just that you don't sleep
it specifies light activity, as well as the fact that it isn’t a rest at all you just get the benefits of one
Yep, sleep and rest are different mechanically. A D
"Neat!
You now have exhaustion"
Aspect of the moon counters it
"I have had one muffin, two shots of espresso and one hour of sleep and am ready to fight God or die trying."
Depends. What type of muffin. God is watching.
"Weird things you can do in DnD to piss off your DM"
Thanks for explaining this, I thought it was kinda useless because I didn't realise that these spell slots are added on top of your regular ones and not just an emergency refill.
TREMBLE IN FEAR AND ALSO FROM CAFFINE OVERDOSE!
What's really hilarious is the Strixhaven book has a common magic item, bottle of boundless coffee. Be a sorcerer/warlock who uses that item constantly.
Unfortunately, infinite sorcery points doesn't work. You can never have more sorcery than your sorcerer level. It's outlined in the Font of Magic section where it talks about sorcery points.
However, Coffeelock is still a great multiclass! You definitely can recharge all your slots a lot quicker than taking a long rest!
@@3rdDayfan777 The point is not to have infinite sorcery points, but instead to create infinite spell slots. You do that by converting your warlock spell slots into sorcery points, then convert these sorcery points into spell slots, then take a long rest to get the warlock spell slots back. Rinse and repeat.
@@stammesbruder Short Rest to get the Warlock slots back. Long Rest resets it.
*Finally!* _The Coffeelock is here!_
Thanks for this man, can't wait to try that one out, without my DM knowing.
Prepare yourself for disappointment, because this is not how the rule on flexible casting is commonly interpreted, and there is little chance that your DM will allow you to have basically infinite spell slots.
your DM will shut it down quickly with you getting exhaustion for no long rest.
and yes you do not need to sleep, but you still need long rests.
Why do you even play d&d? If you just want to be godly,change game. If you want to be the only one,change mindset.
One of the limitations of this build is that you have to take 7 levels of sorcerer in order to create 5th level spell slots, making you a warlock 13, sorcerer 7. You will never gain access to 8th or 9th level spell, but you will have nearly infinite 5th level spells to cast every turn, and can cast TWO of them every turn...
Cast Dominate Person or Dominate Beast every turn until you succeed as the Archfey. Upcast Fireball for 10d6 fire damage every turn as the Fiend. Cast Flame Strike every turn for 8d6+5 radiant and fire damage every turn as the Celestial, or upcast Cure Wounds for 5d8+5 healing every turn, or cast Guardian of Faith every turn for a wall of guardians, or upcast Guiding Bolt every turn for 8d6+5 radiant damage every turn with advantage. Cast Cone of Cold or Banishing Smite every turn as the Hexblade. Upcast Lightning Bolt every turn for 10d6 lightning damage every turn as the Fathomless. OR, cast anything you want every turn as the Genie, you won't gain access the Wish spell though...
The Undead warlock, unfortunately, doesn't have many spammable spells, so you'll just have to settle for upcasting Blight every turn for 9d8 necrotic damage...
A note: You can't cast two leveled spells on the same turn without Action surge.
If you cast a spell as bonus action you can not cast a leveled spell as an action only a cantrip, and inversely if you cast a leveled spell as an action you can't cast a spell as a bonus action.
@@sunname6252 I think he's assuming you've taken the Twinned Spell metamagic option.
Also, you're not likely to be operating at level 20, as most campaigns don't get that far.
One of my players has a Warlock/Cleric multiclass, and they are chronically underpowered compared to the rest of the party, and effectively choose between being either a low-level Cleric, or low-level Warlock, every turn, where as everyone else is operating as mid-tier characters.
Additionally, you're screwed if the DM calls bullshit on the invocation, which I certainly would - it'd interpret that as meaning that you effectively got a long rest, if you did eight hours of "short resting", and you have to either take all all of the effects (ie hit points, hit dice and spell slots/sorcery points), or none at all.
The other limitation of this build is the following entry in xgte:
Whenever you end a 24-hour period without finishing a long rest, you must succeed on a DC 10 Constitution saving throw or suffer one level of exhaustion.
So yeah, infinite spell slots until you die of exhaustion.
@@haerdalis84 If we really want to nit pick, the previous paragraph explicitly calls out that rule is intended to stimulate sleep deprivation, which Aspect of the Moon doesn't require Sleep. "... but going without sleep does have it's consequences. If you want to simulate the effects of sleep deprivation on characters and creatures..."
"All your warlock spell slots!" All 2 of them lol
Mystra: Can somebody kill me again? It's time for spellplague 2.
By the logic of not needing to sleep. Then this also works for a warforged. Because sentry rest, states "inactive, motionless state, rather than sleeping"
So I disagree with you on that part.
Unfortunately, infinite sorcery points doesn't work. You can never have more sorcery than your sorcerer level. It's outlined in the Font of Magic section where it talks about sorcery points.
However, Coffeelock is still a great multiclass! You definitely can recharge all your slots a lot quicker than taking a long rest!
You can't have infinite sorcery points, true. But you can still make infinite "temporary" spell slots.
@@dxjxc91 exactly. Your never having infinite sorcery points, just infinite spell slots.
@@dxjxc91 Huh, I didn't think it was possible to go over the amount that you get at the end of a long rest, but yeah! You're right, Jeremy Crawford even confirmed it. That's wild.
Excuse me while I got make an NPC Coffeelock who's been making infinite 5 level spells slots for 4 months to shove at my players.
They'll still die in the first round of combat, but still!
And then you get exhaustion, because aspect of the moon only prevents you from needing to sleep in order to rest.
Ah yes let me just take a few weeks of adventuring and interesting story away from my party members to do this!
This is kinda weird, because in 2015 a sage compendium came out iin light of Elves ignoring sleep. In that sage compendium, it was written that "sleep" and "holding a long rest" are not the same. A long rest is 6 hours of sleep and 2 hours of idle activity, where any feature that removes or replaces sleep, must still be filled with idle activity to fill the whole 8 hour gap. The dmg and xanathars RAW says that if you ignore a long rest, you must make a DC 10 constitution save or suffer one level of exhaustion.
So no, ignoring the need to sleep does not equate ignoring the need to hold a long rest. You're just not unaware/unconcious for 6 hours.
Also, you cannot have more sorcery points at any moment equal to your sorcerer level.
@cak01vej The gap already lies at "ignoring sleep". Sleep is not the determining factor whether you're suffering from exhaustion, it's a Long Rest that does.
The sage's compendium released in 2018, few months after Xanathar's, that fixed the earlier's compendium from 2015, clarifies this, stating that 'Sleep' is not the same as a 'Long Rest'. Independency to Sleep solely means you won't be unconcious for 6 hours, but you STILL need 8 hours of light/idle activity without having to make a DC 10 Constitution save to prevent exhaustion.
@cak01vej Yes, by the point you hit level 9 Sorc + Lvl 1 Warlock, you absolutely can do it that way.
Though... Sorcerers don't get access to Greater Restoration, so you'd need an outside source or a different multiclass into 9th level for that. And that also costs 100 gold EVERY time you want to do this loop.
@cak01vej My bad, didn't know Divine Soul added cleric spells for you. Though, my main point is that it's not 'as infinite', since there's a (semi-)recurring upkeep cost that taxes you every time you want to do it.
@cak01vej Actually, I got to correct myself. The DC is 15, not 10, and it goes up by 5 after each consecutive night.
@cak01vej This is from the sage's compendium close after XGE; "Going for more than 24 hours without completing a long rest, you have to succeed on a DC 15 Constitution (CON) save or take a level of Exhaustion. The DC goes up by 5 for every consecutive time you do this in a row"
Sage Compendiums aren't exactly optional rules though.
I've always considered these "seems great in theory, awful in practice".
You're going to need to sink 3 levels of Warlock into this to get the invocation, and in my experience, Pact Magic/Spellcasting multiclassing (beyond the odd level) pretty much means that you spend your turn deciding whether you're going to act as an underpowered Warlock, or as an underpowered spellcaster, compared to the rest of your party. 3 levels of Warlock in a multiclass puts you puts one spell level behind a single-class spellcaster of the same level, so a 9 Sorceror/3 Warlock in a level 12 party has access to level 5 spells only, while a 12 Sorceror has access to level 6 spells.
Secondly, the "infinite spell slots" thing only really works if you never actually do anything. If you actually burn them off (as you will be doing pretty much constantly in any game), then you'll almost certainly be burning them, and your sorcery points, off at a rate in excess of that with which you're gaining Warlock spell slots on short rests.
Thirdly, no long rests means no recovery of hit points, no recovery of hit dice, and no rest on per-long-rest abilities. You may have infinate spell slots, but you're also costing a hell of a lot in potions, or leaching the abilities of your cleric/druid/bard/whatever to keep you from dying.*
*as a DM, I would consider that the invocation's "benefits of a long rest" to include everything that you normally recieve on a long rest, ie resetting your spell slots and sorcery points to their designated levels.
Yeah I was thinking this too, "Infinite spell slots, but at what level?". Also, while the coffeelock may not need long rest, the rest of the party will still need to take long rests anyway, sooo it's kinda pointless for the coffeelock to not also take long rests with them, defeating the purpose.
@@khango6138 The general theory with most coffeelock builds, is that the coffeelock hangs around while the others take a long rest, either taking 4 short rests in the same time period, or pulling the "eight hours of unstrenuous activity" detailed in the invocation for this one, but never ACTUALLY "taking a long rest" in the conventional sense, by sleeping, or whatever.
It also requires the DM to accept that regaining your spell slots are NOT "a benefit of a long rest" for this version to work, which would totally get the nopehammer from me, and I'm normally totally in favour of clever rules combinations.
kind of, but you would have access to low level healing spells for yourself, and a theoretically infinite amount of them, so recovering hit points wouldn't be an issue after you get a large buffer of sorcery points. plus asking for a healing spell right before your companions take a long rest (and get the spell slot back anyway) isn't an issue. a lot of campaigns will have small time skips of a few weeks in which characters can say they trained, studied, crafted items or whatever else. doing this would give you more than enough points to be good for several sessions. the jump in power between 5th level and 6th level spells isn't all that great, I don't know if I would go as far to get the 5th level. stopping at 3rd and using them as basically cantrips while taking the rest of your levels in warlock or another class sounds like a better play.
warlock/sorcerer is never that underpowered thanks to agonizing blast + quickened spell.
Minimum 5 levels total (the invocation doesn't work as suggested in this video, it's not necessary for the build): warlock 2 sorcerer 3. Warlocks typically primarily lean on eldritch blast, so with 2 levels in warlock you'll be doing pretty good until you hit sorcerer 3. Regardless of spell slots, eldritch blast with agonizing blast is a pretty darn good fallback, not to mention the fact that you'll probably have a number of other useful cantrips at your disposal after you multiclass.
This build doesn't work as described in the short, it isn't quite "infinite", but it's still pretty beefy at just level 5 and only gets better from there. You can still have far more "spell slots" than most casters at your level, and it doesn't start dropping behind in power much until tier 3, but at that point the spells you chose matter more for the build itself.
Tbh, this build is best for spamming eldritch blast 2x/round with the right invocations, not for "infinite" spell slots, but that's me. It only needs 2 levels of warlock and the rest in sorcerer and scales well.
My favorite melee build is a Hexblade Warlock/Dragon sorcerer. The two classes and subclasses synergize really well, letting you prioritize utility with spells while also having access to good damage with almost no need to use EB. Its a great and unique way to play a frontline combatant... Which kinda sucks, because people are so terrified of coffeelocks im often not allowed to play it at all.😂
I'm no DM, but you a whole menace to campaign. I love it.
This has been errata'd to distinguish between sorcerer and warlock spell slots: from JCrawford : DMs, if you allow multiclassing in your game and someone is tempted to abuse the combination of Flexible Casting and Pact Magic, remember this: one way to read the multiclass rules is that your Pact Magic slots are useless for any non-warlock thing besides casting spells.
Only matters for those that use errata. Anything from Crawford I treat as a suggestion with all the contradictory rulings over the years. And the ones I straight up would disagree with.
@@artsmith1111 That's fair. I think there are two schools of thought on this: a) The sorcerer can only metamagically manipulate sorcerer spells, or b) the sorcerer can metamagically manipulate any magical ability. Personally, I like the idea that sorcerers have a unique relationship with their magic. As a result of that unique relationship, any magic you receive becomes more versatile and fluid. This gives you the ability to metamagically tamper with your own magical gifts - regardless of where they came from. Just like a Wizard can uniquely learn new spells from books, a Sorcerer is uniquely capable of tinkering with their own magical essence - and this makes them uniquely qualified to dissect the strange, unfathomable gifts granted by their patron.
I flat out say in my games that your patron doesn't like you using their powers in such an inappropriate manner (basically growing more powerful than them) and so they punish you by revoking your spell slots for one day.
yeah this was debunked years ago tho. Even if you don't need to sleep, you still need to take long rests, it's the exact same rule as with elves taking only 4h of meditation instead of 6h of sleep. The invocation has it's uses allowing light activities such as doing all the guards and stuff but the requirement to take long rests in order to avoid exhaustion and dead is still there.
Not sad to see this one go tbh
snort 100gP of diamond dust and ride that greater restoration to the grave.
it still kinda works, it's just not infinite spell slots, you still have a great amount of versatility being able to switch spell slots into sorcery points and getting spells slots back on a short rest. plus sorlock already has some pretty bonkers stuff with quickened eldritch blast so it's still a strong build.
Well, the rules specifically state, "While a long rest is never mandatory, *going without sleep* has its consequences..."
By mentioning sleep specifically, that would imply Aspect of the Moon removing the need to sleep period would override the requirement. It might honestly come down to a DM call and how silly you want your campaign to be.
Oooooor you could snort a shitload of diamond dust and call it good!
Non-pertinent information: I have that same hoodie.
A great use for this is actually a dedicated healer. Aasimar Divine soul sorcerer/celestial warlock is thematic and amazingly good at keeping everyone alive. Infinite cure wounds that can be twinned or distanced or quickened or empowered as often as you need
"Whenever you end a 24-hour period without finishing a long rest, you must succeed on a DC 10 Constitution saving throw or suffer one level of exhaustion."
So yeah, while you don't need to sleep, you start to accrue exhaustion if you don't take a long rest (in your case, light activity).
Statistically, you aren't going to fail every DC 10 con save. Plus, you can just use greater restoration when you do get exhaustion. Works best with a bard in the party making diamond dust for you using performance of creation.
@@apollosungod6673 except the DC goes up every day you don't take a long rest.
@@haerdalis84 even so, greater restoration takes care of that.
@@apollosungod6673 if you have diamond dust lying around, sure. You'll also eventually run out of hit dice - that's something greater restoration can't fix
@@haerdalis84 did you miss the part where your bard5 friend *makes* you diamond dust? Plus even if you didn't have that, 100gp per 24 hour period isn't as expensive as you think considering you only need it once you begin failing the saves. And you're in need of hit dice why? You have infinite spell slots to use on healing spells aka cure wounds which is also conveniently given to you by Divine Soul sorcerer...
Isn’t there a note that you can’t have more sorcery points than your level allows?
yeah there is but you never do with this combo, you always burn you sorcerer points into your new spell slots, so you never need to collect more than your limit, whatever that might be!
Yes but you turn it all into temp spell slots before making new sorcerer points meaning that you never have more points than what you were allowed since nothing says you have a max on temp spell slots
Edit: reading it again, I actually have no idea why you'd think you're getting more sorcerer points than what you're allowed
the sorcerer who wanted to attain ultimate power
Not needing to sleep and not needing to rest are two different things
Someone didn't read the book entirely... "You can never have more sorcery points than shown on the table for your level."
So while in theory if you /could/ store more than the max number you have at your level, it'd be an interesting combo though relatively inefficient unless you're playing sessions that take long downtimes.
And that person is you. You can take the sorcery points you have and turn them into spells, short rest to gain more warlock slots, turn those into sorcery points, then turn those into sorcery spells. So you can have infinite low spells, depending on your level.
@@CrimsonSigma yes... But with diminishing returns. A 4th level warlock slot turns into two 1st level sorcerer spells. Or two 5th level spells into five 1st level spells.
I understand action economy is a thing and being able to do more than a cantrip can be useful, but I feel like keeping the 4-5th level spell slots would be a much greater benefit than having a bunch of 1st-2nd level spell slots.
Note: your dm will despise you and probably not let you play at there table again
If this is a cause to be "despised" by said dm, and tries to use this as a reason for a table ban then the dm isn't the kind of person you'd want to play with anyways so full on good riddance.
"Weird things you wish you could do in real life". Never have to sleep? Yeah I'll take that
One thing is that with the aspect of the moon you still need to do long rests, the time doesn't need to be sleeping but it does need to be light activities not 17 short rests
For a more practical use, catnap can get you 6 times the rests per hour (minus the cost of 1 3rd lvl slot per rest)
"the target can't be affected by this spell again until it finishes a long rest"
We don't plan on taking long rests though :/
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Things I'll consider kicking you from my table for: breaking world immersion to "win"
Alternatively, instead of the boon, you could be a Celestial Warlock. That way you could use Greater Restoration to get rid of the exhaustion from a lack of a long rest, I believe that combo is called the “Coke-Lock”.
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THIS! This right here is worthy of the UNLIMITED POWER meme.
I love how this channel is the definition of Ruled as Written
I have a feeling my DM would retcon that in a heartbeat
Not needing to sleep and not needing to take a long rest are not the same things.
Low key this makes a lot of sense rp wise for like the old character who has been building up thier power for decades or centuries for whatever purpose.
Pick up Divine Soul Sorcerer, or Celestial Warlock as one of those two classes.
Pick up Greater Restoration.
You now have a CoffeeLock that doesn't care if your DM states that you technically long rest when using Aspect of the Moon.
(You just spend 1 of your spell slots each day to remove the one level of exhaustion you picked up from not sleeping)
“In place of a long rest, can I instead take 10 short rests?”
I'm sending these to my DM and he is not happy, thank you!!!
Me : so im gonna take a short rest !
DM : You can't !
Enemy can't sleep and walks away. .... Evil DM noises
Thanks DnD shorts, as a DM my NPCs warcerer will always have infinity slots thanks to you😈
Even if you don’t need to sleep, you’ll still have to take long rests. Exhaustion doesn’t kick in due to lack of sleep, it kicks in due to lack of long rests.
I can see a smart and experienced DM finding ways to make your life difficult if you try this. I am sure they have seen it all.
"God said, he'd teach me karate."
By RAW, no sleep does not equal no long rests.
Not needing to sleep and not needing to take a long rest are not the same thing
aspect of the moon does not exempt you from long rests. you simply don't sleep while resting.
and not long resting can cause fatigue if using Xanathar's Guide to Everything's resting system.
a proper way to benefit from the combo would be being an elf, cause 4 hour long rest means you'd get 4 hours of guaranteed short rests to do the combo
Yep, playing it as an elf would allows to both takes long rests and get significant (yet not too abusive, so DM less likely to drop a BanHammer on it) benefits from the combo...
Paladin+warlock+sorcerer = DM's ban.
Shadow of the moon makes It so that you don't need to SLEEP, you still need to long rest, you just don't need to sleep while doing. With this logic you can instead be an elf, because they technically don't sleep.
Nah bro, imagine your dm is like "you get knocked out and take a long rest. You wake up and feel weak."
this sounds like it would be perfect for character crafting, Like a character who is basically forced for years to try and survive in the wilderness, or is being constantly hunted never able to rest, and as time progressed he learned how to overcome his weaknesses and truly have a chance for survival
Just because you don't need to sleep doesn't mean that you don't need a long rest. But you know that.
"remember, sleep and rest are different mechanically."
In the exact rule, it states: “a long rest is never mandatory.”
The fact that you can break the game like this makes the game better imo
I like you funny words magic man!
You may not need to sleep and are immune to sleep effects but you still must take long rests to avoid exhaustion due to sleep deprivation
"I have nearly infinite spell slots and 3 hours of sleep, and I am ready to kill god or become him!!!!"
-A warlock/sorcerer, probably
Tried this once but to make it fun for myself I gave my character insanity the longer he stayed awake
damn, if only the font of magic feature didn't say you could ever have a maximum number of sorcery points equal to your level, hmmm
so turn your sorc points back into warlock spell slots after you have short rested
@@TrenchCoatDingo you can not turn them into warlock slots, but you can and should turn them into sorcerer slots.
They DO NOT reset with short rests!
You actually still need to take a long rest even if you don’t need to sleep. Aspect of the moon doesn’t state you don’t need to rest, just that you don’t sleep. And it has a specific clause about just such a thing.
Hit dice: allow us to introduce ourselves
DM said I can have a little spell slots as a treat.
You can take this even further by picking the Genie patron and going up to 10th level, gaining the benefits of a short rest by spending 10 minutes in your vessel. Now you can be in top form 24/7 by having your familar carry your vessle as you travel
The aspect of the moon does not remove the need to rest. Only the need to spend part of a long rest sleeping.
The counter to this is that, while you may not need anymore, your body still needs actual rest and eventually an hour long power nap ain’t going to cut it. Your body is going to get that rest weather you like it or not
And mom wonders why I'm always so tired.
I'm gonna ruin someone's day.... Aspect of the Moon says you don't need sleep, but also lists what you need to benefit from a long rest. You will still get exhaustion for not taking a long rest.
This is especially easy to pull off with gritty/slow recovery games where they don't let long rests happen outside of towns. Best milk it for all its worth!
And it only takes Divine Soul Sorcerer or any Cleric/Druid dip to use those temporary slots on healing.
Dm: "okay at this point you've racked up so many short rests in such a short time it fills the requirements of a long rest so your temp sorcery points are gone"
Aspect of the Moon eliminates the need to sleep not the need to long rest. Regardless of how you would rule on exhaustion -x- sleep, if a character is in need of recovering hit dice or long rest abilities, they will need to long rest even if they don't need to sleep. Spend your downtime between adventures generating spell slots lol.
And all it takes is the DM to say "No. Sorry no."
Patron feels no need to supply you with magic after all you seem naturally gifted as is.
Player feels no need to play at this lame DM's table. Hope the party has fun without their spellcaster!
Add on that depending on your DM's ruling you can gain all spell slots, sorcerer and warlock on a short rest and this gets insane
All fun and games until your dm uses a monster to make you sleep
Sleeping is different from taking a long rest. Sleep is an activity you can perform while taking a long rest, but you can long rest without sleeping. Additionally, the rules say you must take at least one long rest every 24 hours or risk gaining exhaustion, not sleep at least 8 hours out of every 24 or risk gaining exhaustion.
Me, the DM: "From now on, during a short rest all of your sorcery points must be converted into spell slots."
Thank you!