PLEASE WRITE A BOOK!!!! Your instructions deserve to be in print!!!!! You’re an awesome teacher. I’ve been working on your system about a year and have seen more success than ever before.
I have probably watched over 100 videos on the 'Single Plane Swing' with very little success. But your teaching is the only one that makes sense and is bringing me positive results. Thank you 👍🏻
Kirk - I enjoyed watching this video and your intent and insights. Each myth debunk makes perfect sense. I also appreciate the way you reference the "other" academy teaching single plane without being negative, only constructive. That's classy. I ran across a useful method to check lie angle. Use a dry erase marker to mark a line on a ball, like a putting reference. Set the ball down with the line visible to you on the back side of the ball and parallel to the target. When you strike the ball at impact the mark will show on the face of the club. You will be able to judge the lie angle and impact spot on the face.
Thank you, Kirk! I think this is your best video yet! It explains so much and will be helpful to those who are trying to use the single plane swing and struggle with components that are taught rigidly by some instructors that severely limit their improvement!
I think Moe's method is a good entry into Single Plane golf. I love your explanation of the difference in heights, etc. The 10 myths have helped me tremendously in applying my size and such to the Single Plane swing as you present in your videos. Your instruction for applying your Single Plane presentation to my physical characteristics has helped me develop and own my golf swing relative to the Single Plane. Thank you!
I have been surprised that many who copied Moe for many years seemed to get worse the closer they got to copying Moe swing. This was the case for me as well. I think it was due to restricting the lower body movement so severely that I lost so much distance and had trouble getting through impact properly. Best to start just setup on your impact plane and then learn to make great impact. Moe was an individual who can never be duplicated.
I like the demonstration about how lifting the heel doesn't throw off the swing arc(at about 12:14). As a beginner we find our fairway finder swing is mostly upper body rotation and arms, limiting the dynamic movement of the body between toes and hips, so it is easy to believe the myth. Limiting lower body movement might work well for putting, but not for full swing speed. Thanks again Kirk! Videoing yourself in slow motion can help us know if we are planted on the trail heel at impact.
Lifting that heal early, when it comes out towards the ball definitely makes the club go further from the body, usually causing heeled shots and shanks. There’s a proper way to lift it, like sheffler, JT, ect. They’re actually lifting it but the trail heel/knee is staying back or going slightly towards the lead heel, then After impact it can come up and out.you can easily test this, Just hover a club over a ball, lift your trail heel so your knee goes out towards the ball, you’ll see the clubhead move out as well, causing the heels/shanks. Very Common mistake. That’s why players who lift early, keep that knee from moving out and almost move laterally towards the front foot until after impact, in shefflers case he actually lets it slide, in, not out, that’s a death move for sure. Be careful how your lifting the heel, this demonstration was very misleading the way he kept the club grounded. Hover the club and you’ll see exactly what happens when your heel/leg moves out towards the ball.
@@TheWedgeWizard That makes sense. I'll give that a shot. But I don't think he was being misleading, but maybe not forthcoming on the ways it could go wrong. I tried what he demonstrated and was no movement, but I'll try again with different knee movement and weight balance. Thanks for comment. I have to figure this out!
Thanks Kirk! I like your method because I don’t have to think about much at all during the swing. I have found that even with a strong grip I have to close the club face at address to hit it straight because with my hands leading at impact the club face is open even with a strong grip.
Great explanation Kirk. I attended a three day school from a competitor years ago and they taught all of the ten myths. It ruined my game for the remainder of the summer. I went from an 8 to an 18 hcp. I would like to attend a one day school but the distance and exchange rate on the US/CAN dollar make it expensive from Southern Ontario, Canada.
Those concepts ruined me as well. Fortunately I learned from seeing my own game and many other people struggles. For you I would recommend a three day to make it worth your trip. No classroom time in my schools either. We spend the entire time working on improving all aspects of your game. I am in Pennsylvania June 2-4, and in Cincinnati a couple weeks before that.
Wow Kirk! Great video, great explanations! I think one more myth would be..."your arms need to be straight". Yours, as well as mine, have the trail arm bent a little at the elbow both at setup and at impact. I'm sure you have heard that one! Tony Griffin Setup 4 Impact Master Instructor Sanford NC
Can’t agree more. Keep this content flowing. One question regarding back swing. I can increase my backswing length if I point my back foot toe out 45 degrees. Do you foresee that being a problem? Sometimes I lose accuracy.
This could make the move through impact more difficult. So we do not want to sacrifice impact in order to lengthen the backswing. I would just setup normally and take it back to the limit of YOUR OWN flexibility.
I have had a short backswing not only now that I'm old, but when I was young too. I never suffered for distance, though. After learning Setup4Impact and seeing myself on video, I set out to lengthen my backswing for more distance. I turned the right foot out as you mentioned, I allowed the left heel to raise up at the top, tried to cock my wrists more and so on. All I accomplished was to destroy my own rhythm and timing and become more erratic. I also never gained any distance. I went back to what is natural for me and the sequencing got back into rhythm. If you watched the Kirk vs Tony video you will see this short swing. You don't need a long backswing to hit the ball far.....just watch Jon Rahm, Tony Fineau or JB Holmes to name a few. Better to make solid impact with what you have. Tony Griffin Setup 4 Impact Master Instructor Sanford, NC
Hi Craig, I am hopeful to have schools in the Portland, ME area in the next year, but nothing will be set for a while. Most likely in 2024. I have a school in Lebanon PA June 2-4.
@@zerofactor7871 Yes...I hope to relocate up there with the wife and dogs for at least six months per year. Then I have to find a site there where I can run schools. It will be on the website. If you send me an email I can notify you as well. setup4impact.com/contact/
Kirk thank you so much one question please I was using Jim Venetoes swing and learned a lot but im older and I think yours might be a bit easier on my back my question is Jim V has a saying "still is a skill" so ive applied it to your method re hips forward and very still and it seems to really help me from swaying etc do you agree ? Also I plan to take a lesson next season when im in Palm Beach sp thank you!
It must be easy to keep the hips still so they don’t turn as that is what I see most high handicappers do. The funny thing is that I do not see any good players who do that. The hips and body must rotate in order to create ideal impact parameters. There simply is no other way to do it. We need a square clubface, path towards target, shallow flatspot through impact, as well as hitting the middle of the clubface. I cannot fathom how difficult it would be to intentionally swing somewhat to the right of target, and get the clubface closed enough to compensate for that.
Kirk I probably worded that wrong of course the hips have to turn etc the stillness is in the planted weight on the lead side thus enabling an unswaying rotation of the hips. Thank you for the reply.
Glad that you liked it. Golf instructors like to place a lot of rules on their clients. They should look first to see if a tour player does what they are telling other's not to do. They would do less harm that way.
I see it as around 85% do better with a stronger grip that what was once considered neutral. We need to fit our grip to the impact position that we can achieve. If we can get the hands leading ideally then 95% would need a stronger grip, those who do not would have a bowed leading wrist.
freaking awesome. Todd graves teachings are ruining golfers. i know because i have tried it all and even bought his book. thank goodness i found your channel and getting back to the proper set up. thank you
Copying Moe ruined my game, and I did not even realize it for many years, because I did not compete. Now looking back I see why I did not compete. It was because I was always trying to better match Moe's swing, but even as I got close to his swing the results never came. In fact I played worse golfer and my back hurt, probably from being so bent over and standing so far from the ball.
At last , someone who thinks the Todd Graves / Moe Norman swing is not a natural way to play golf. I have tried the afore mentioned swing and have never clicked with it. What has been mentioned in this vid is a common sense and a simplified way of approaching the game of golf.. I would also like to ad that to enable forward shaft lean during impact is a natural occurence during the golf swing. If the wrists are relaxed and flexing naturally, with correct grip applied, then the hands will always lead the club head at impact, giving forward shaft lean..It should be stressed that trying to put the hands ahead at impact can also cause the player to hit thin or fat shots, as attention is moved to impact instead of Swing.. Wrist relaxation with a unrestricted whipping action at impact is paramount to a great swing.I also think the golf shaft should be pointing more towards the centre of the body at set up which sets up the correct alignment and angles that the body and brain can recognise and relate to.This will also allow the player to hit down less and avoid injuries by hitting the ground too hard..A very slight Divot after the ball is all that is required, if all other parts of the golf swing are correct.Remember everyone, the golf swing is a swing Not a hit. Great vid. Enjoyed this one and am now a New Subscriber..cheers.
Thanks Nick!! Moe's swing should be called unnatural golf!! LOL One of the most unorthodox swings in the history of golf that worked well, and I chose that one to copy. LMAO at myself. Anyway, at least now I am playing the best golf of my life, as are many of my clients.
I would love to see you react to a lot more youtube coaches than just TGA/copying Moe Norman. There is so much crap on youtube from big names who just invent weird drills and excercices to teach beginners the golfswing. I know a guy who just consumed half of youtube and can be seen doing stuff on the range like swinging a metal weight on a stick while on his knees...
Anyone who thinks they have been custom fit for clubs without trying a minimum of ten club shaft combinations on a professional launch monitor has been taken advantage of. A fitting at Club Champion will take almost two hours and you will hit many different club heads paired with numerous shafts. They will fit by the numbers and be exact. You can’t fill out a form and call it a custom fitting.
I may have mentioned that in the 2nd Myth about standing far from the ball. I will keep it in mind for future videos. I do talk often of standing more upright. I think it is very helpful.
Moe was Moe, and nobody ever could replicate what his unorthodox swing could produce on the range. It was amazing how straight he could hit the ball on the range. I only wish I had listened to him when he told me to “swing like you, not like me”. It would have saved me more than ten years of poor ballstriking.
This is basically just a Todd graves roast session. Love the single plane idea but do not connect with his teachings whatsoever. Standing that far from the ball ruined me for years and and produced the nastiest hooks and slices I’ve ever seen
I have taught the single plane swing concept for over 25 years teaching many of the same concepts that I debunked in the video. No better way to learn what does not work than to try teaching it to people. I was able to see what did not work well, and learned from my clients. My goal was always to provide the fastest improvement possible. I saw far too many people working on foolish concepts (that I also worked on myself) who did not improve and in fact got worse over months, and years of work. I feel sorry for those who will not change even though their is a mountain of evidence of what works well, and what does not.
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PLEASE WRITE A BOOK!!!!
Your instructions deserve to be in print!!!!!
You’re an awesome teacher. I’ve been working on your system about a year and have seen more success than ever before.
I have probably watched over 100 videos on the 'Single Plane Swing' with very little success. But your teaching is the only one that makes sense and is bringing me positive results. Thank you 👍🏻
Thanks Clyde!! Great to hear of your positive results!!!
I was the same too
Definitely, thank you Kirk! Listening to you and learning never gets old!!
Thanks Joe!!
Kirk - I enjoyed watching this video and your intent and insights. Each myth debunk makes perfect sense. I also appreciate the way you reference the "other" academy teaching single plane without being negative, only constructive. That's classy. I ran across a useful method to check lie angle. Use a dry erase marker to mark a line on a ball, like a putting reference. Set the ball down with the line visible to you on the back side of the ball and parallel to the target. When you strike the ball at impact the mark will show on the face of the club. You will be able to judge the lie angle and impact spot on the face.
Thanks Rich, Yes that method will work well for lie angle if you can setup the ball perfectly so the line is vertical and so you hit it.
Thank you, Kirk! I think this is your best video yet! It explains so much and will be helpful to those who are trying to use the single plane swing and struggle with components that are taught rigidly by some instructors that severely limit their improvement!
Thanks Chris!!
I think Moe's method is a good entry into Single Plane golf. I love your explanation of the difference in heights, etc. The 10 myths have helped me tremendously in applying my size and such to the Single Plane swing as you present in your videos. Your instruction for applying your Single Plane presentation to my physical characteristics has helped me develop and own my golf swing relative to the Single Plane. Thank you!
I have been surprised that many who copied Moe for many years seemed to get worse the closer they got to copying Moe swing. This was the case for me as well. I think it was due to restricting the lower body movement so severely that I lost so much distance and had trouble getting through impact properly. Best to start just setup on your impact plane and then learn to make great impact. Moe was an individual who can never be duplicated.
I like the demonstration about how lifting the heel doesn't throw off the swing arc(at about 12:14). As a beginner we find our fairway finder swing is mostly upper body rotation and arms, limiting the dynamic movement of the body between toes and hips, so it is easy to believe the myth. Limiting lower body movement might work well for putting, but not for full swing speed. Thanks again Kirk! Videoing yourself in slow motion can help us know if we are planted on the trail heel at impact.
Lifting that heal early, when it comes out towards the ball definitely makes the club go further from the body, usually causing heeled shots and shanks. There’s a proper way to lift it, like sheffler, JT, ect. They’re actually lifting it but the trail heel/knee is staying back or going slightly towards the lead heel, then After impact it can come up and out.you can easily test this, Just hover a club over a ball, lift your trail heel so your knee goes out towards the ball, you’ll see the clubhead move out as well, causing the heels/shanks. Very Common mistake. That’s why players who lift early, keep that knee from moving out and almost move laterally towards the front foot until after impact, in shefflers case he actually lets it slide, in, not out, that’s a death move for sure. Be careful how your lifting the heel, this demonstration was very misleading the way he kept the club grounded. Hover the club and you’ll see exactly what happens when your heel/leg moves out towards the ball.
@@TheWedgeWizard That makes sense. I'll give that a shot. But I don't think he was being misleading, but maybe not forthcoming on the ways it could go wrong.
I tried what he demonstrated and was no movement, but I'll try again with different knee movement and weight balance.
Thanks for comment. I have to figure this out!
Thanks Kirk! I like your method because I don’t have to think about much at all during the swing. I have found that even with a strong grip I have to close the club face at address to hit it straight because with my hands leading at impact the club face is open even with a strong grip.
I been watching natural golf videos for years your instruction is so much better you explain thing a lot better
Thanks!!
Great explanation Kirk. I attended a three day school from a competitor years ago and they taught all of the ten myths. It ruined my game for the remainder of the summer. I went from an 8 to an 18 hcp. I would like to attend a one day school but the distance and exchange rate on the US/CAN dollar make it expensive from Southern Ontario, Canada.
Those concepts ruined me as well. Fortunately I learned from seeing my own game and many other people struggles. For you I would recommend a three day to make it worth your trip. No classroom time in my schools either. We spend the entire time working on improving all aspects of your game. I am in Pennsylvania June 2-4, and in Cincinnati a couple weeks before that.
Keep em coming!
Wow Kirk! Great video, great explanations! I think one more myth would be..."your arms need to be straight". Yours, as well as mine, have the trail arm bent a little at the elbow both at setup and at impact. I'm sure you have heard that one!
Tony Griffin
Setup 4 Impact Master Instructor
Sanford NC
That is good!!! Also that you need a non-tapered grip, or need to take some of the taper out.
Can’t agree more. Keep this content flowing. One question regarding back swing. I can increase my backswing length if I point my back foot toe out 45 degrees. Do you foresee that being a problem? Sometimes I lose accuracy.
This could make the move through impact more difficult. So we do not want to sacrifice impact in order to lengthen the backswing. I would just setup normally and take it back to the limit of YOUR OWN flexibility.
I have had a short backswing not only now that I'm old, but when I was young too. I never suffered for distance, though. After learning Setup4Impact and seeing myself on video, I set out to lengthen my backswing for more distance. I turned the right foot out as you mentioned, I allowed the left heel to raise up at the top, tried to cock my wrists more and so on. All I accomplished was to destroy my own rhythm and timing and become more erratic. I also never gained any distance. I went back to what is natural for me and the sequencing got back into rhythm. If you watched the Kirk vs Tony video you will see this short swing. You don't need a long backswing to hit the ball far.....just watch Jon Rahm, Tony Fineau or JB Holmes to name a few. Better to make solid impact with what you have.
Tony Griffin
Setup 4 Impact Master Instructor
Sanford, NC
Well done Kirk great video!
Been following you for a while now? Would like to see a school come up to the NH area! I'd even settle for the Boston area.
Hi Craig, I am hopeful to have schools in the Portland, ME area in the next year, but nothing will be set for a while. Most likely in 2024. I have a school in Lebanon PA June 2-4.
@@Setup4Impact Kirk, will the info for the potential Portland, ME school be on your website once the dates are confirmed?
@@zerofactor7871 Yes...I hope to relocate up there with the wife and dogs for at least six months per year. Then I have to find a site there where I can run schools. It will be on the website. If you send me an email I can notify you as well. setup4impact.com/contact/
Excellent common sense debunking of 10 bad ideas. In contrast, the Setup4Impact approach is simple and effective.
Kirk: When you set up for your shots are you using your left hip as your pivot point? Thanks
I just want the club in alignment with the leading arm at setup. At impact the club should still be lagging behind the alignment of the leading arm.
Kirk thank you so much one question please I was using Jim Venetoes swing and learned a lot but im older and I think yours might be a bit easier on my back my question is Jim V has a saying "still is a skill" so ive applied it to your method re hips forward and very still and it seems to really help me from swaying etc do you agree ? Also I plan to take a lesson next season when im in Palm Beach sp thank you!
It must be easy to keep the hips still so they don’t turn as that is what I see most high handicappers do. The funny thing is that I do not see any good players who do that. The hips and body must rotate in order to create ideal impact parameters. There simply is no other way to do it. We need a square clubface, path towards target, shallow flatspot through impact, as well as hitting the middle of the clubface. I cannot fathom how difficult it would be to intentionally swing somewhat to the right of target, and get the clubface closed enough to compensate for that.
Kirk I probably worded that wrong of course the hips have to turn etc the stillness is in the planted weight on the lead side thus enabling an unswaying rotation of the hips. Thank you for the reply.
Great advice! So much BS and contradictory information out there on golf in general. For single plane swingers, this is really useful.
Glad that you liked it. Golf instructors like to place a lot of rules on their clients. They should look first to see if a tour player does what they are telling other's not to do. They would do less harm that way.
I'm curious what percentage of students work best with a "normal" strong grip (not crazy strong) and what percent are weaker.
I see it as around 85% do better with a stronger grip that what was once considered neutral. We need to fit our grip to the impact position that we can achieve. If we can get the hands leading ideally then 95% would need a stronger grip, those who do not would have a bowed leading wrist.
freaking awesome. Todd graves teachings are ruining golfers. i know because i have tried it all and even bought his book. thank goodness i found your channel and getting back to the proper set up. thank you
Copying Moe ruined my game, and I did not even realize it for many years, because I did not compete. Now looking back I see why I did not compete. It was because I was always trying to better match Moe's swing, but even as I got close to his swing the results never came. In fact I played worse golfer and my back hurt, probably from being so bent over and standing so far from the ball.
At last , someone who thinks the Todd Graves / Moe Norman swing is not a natural way to play golf. I have tried the afore mentioned swing and have never clicked with it. What has been mentioned in this vid is a common sense and a simplified way of approaching the game of golf.. I would also like to ad that to enable forward shaft lean during impact is a natural occurence during the golf swing. If the wrists are relaxed and flexing naturally, with correct grip applied, then the hands will always lead the club head at impact, giving forward shaft lean..It should be stressed that trying to put the hands ahead at impact can also cause the player to hit thin or fat shots, as attention is moved to impact instead of Swing.. Wrist relaxation with a unrestricted whipping action at impact is paramount to a great swing.I also think the golf shaft should be pointing more towards the centre of the body at set up which sets up the correct alignment and angles that the body and brain can recognise and relate to.This will also allow the player to hit down less and avoid injuries by hitting the ground too hard..A very slight Divot after the ball is all that is required, if all other parts of the golf swing are correct.Remember everyone, the golf swing is a swing Not a hit. Great vid. Enjoyed this one and am now a New Subscriber..cheers.
Thanks Nick!! Moe's swing should be called unnatural golf!! LOL One of the most unorthodox swings in the history of golf that worked well, and I chose that one to copy. LMAO at myself. Anyway, at least now I am playing the best golf of my life, as are many of my clients.
Great
I would love to see you react to a lot more youtube coaches than just TGA/copying Moe Norman. There is so much crap on youtube from big names who just invent weird drills and excercices to teach beginners the golfswing. I know a guy who just consumed half of youtube and can be seen doing stuff on the range like swinging a metal weight on a stick while on his knees...
Rise your right foot during down swing will create inconsistency of your shot.
How very odd!! The top players in the game all have the right heel moving off the ground before impact. Are you saying that they are inconsistent?
Explain that to long drive champions. All the greats lift their feet. Another concept destroyed.
Anyone who thinks they have been custom fit for clubs without trying a minimum of ten club shaft combinations on a professional launch monitor has been taken advantage of. A fitting at Club Champion will take almost two hours and you will hit many different club heads paired with numerous shafts. They will fit by the numbers and be exact. You can’t fill out a form and call it a custom fitting.
I also hate seeing people taken advantage of with such online fittings.
Yup, just be sure to take your biggest credit card with you, because it will cost ya!
@@bobbys4327 yes it is expensive but playing with clubs($900) that don’t match your game is the worse in my book. Play well.
I was hoping one of the myths was having to bend over 45º at the hips at address.
I may have mentioned that in the 2nd Myth about standing far from the ball. I will keep it in mind for future videos. I do talk often of standing more upright. I think it is very helpful.
Mo’s swing was a stiff forward club “pitch” and NOT a hip turn as todays swing is taught.
Moe was Moe, and nobody ever could replicate what his unorthodox swing could produce on the range. It was amazing how straight he could hit the ball on the range. I only wish I had listened to him when he told me to “swing like you, not like me”. It would have saved me more than ten years of poor ballstriking.
The only thing in Moes swing that makes sense is single plane the resr of his method is stupid 😂
It worked for him, but was far from the most efficient way to swing a club.
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This is basically just a Todd graves roast session. Love the single plane idea but do not connect with his teachings whatsoever. Standing that far from the ball ruined me for years and and produced the nastiest hooks and slices I’ve ever seen
I have taught the single plane swing concept for over 25 years teaching many of the same concepts that I debunked in the video. No better way to learn what does not work than to try teaching it to people. I was able to see what did not work well, and learned from my clients. My goal was always to provide the fastest improvement possible. I saw far too many people working on foolish concepts (that I also worked on myself) who did not improve and in fact got worse over months, and years of work. I feel sorry for those who will not change even though their is a mountain of evidence of what works well, and what does not.