For whatever reason her projectile attack pushes you all the way back in some situations like dashing as guy. annoying af and not even sure if its intended
Rose and her Soul Power is the good to Bison and his Psycho Power's evil, kinda like how Ryu and his fighting style are a counterpart to Akuma and the Satsui No Hado. Both control forces that are of similar origin to their evil counterparts, but they are vastly different due to their morals and ideals.
I don't even play fighting games but for some reason I really enjoy videos talking about them and it doesn't matter to me I don't understand half of the things. What a strange thing I didn't expect.
Play sfv bro it’s easy to get into compared to other sf games but still makes you think about what you’re doing on the fly. Fighting games are a good workout for your brain tbh
I have also fallen down a rabbit hole of fighting game video essays despite being complete ass at them... the mechanics are so deep and intricate compared to other genres tho. And the music slaps
@@Afroctopus if you have the means to try out a street fighter game and have the time to get into it I highly recommend it. I just want more people to play street fighter tbh 😂
@@SammyBooy2814 I'd love to play fighting games but I don't have the mental speed or reflexes to process and react, I've tried in the past. But I can enjoy them as a sports fan I guess lol
Gosh, it feels strangely fitting for Rose as a fortune teller that you're biggest defense against her at top level play is to give her as little patterns to read from as possible.
Kinda was. You don't see any successful Rose's mashing c.mp. It's a good tool, but you're not going to win vs high level comp doing that. Sirlin wasn't winning tournaments back then vs the like of Valle and Choi.
1:42 Man it's a good thing Capcom learned their lesson and went out of the way to make sure characters wouldn't have such mindless crMP in future titles, right 3S Ken?
Well yeah, that and SNK's Emergency Blowback Attack from the King of Fighters series. Both are glorious techniques that troll your opponent just when they think they have a win in the bag 😄👍!
Too bad it'll never come back cuz "muh parries yall", granted there's V-Reversals in SFV but it does like no damage, and it doesnt cost any of ur main super meter like in the Alphas or even how EX moves uses regular super meter, since V-Reversals are tied to the V Gauge thing (whatever tf its called)
Your reasoning at the end made me think of Yoshimitsu in Tekken. He's the only character with a 6 frame move in his Flash, so you have to be really careful cuz he can interrupt or punish things you'd normally just throw out. His flash is launch punishable however, so it creates this really lovely dynamic of anticipating it. I love facing Yoshis because of it
Very interesting! My only experience with Rose was Street Fighter 4, in which she had basically *none* of these tools, so I was really wondering what was so great about a character that from my perspective really only had a fireball, a DP, a reflect and an advancing attack. I'm hoping they do her like they did poison in SF5, a full overhaul of her kit with a clear direction. Maybe bring back some of that alpha 2 magic.
this definition of polarizing is EXACTLY why Bayonetta was such a problem in Smash 4 apart from her infamous guaranteed death combos out of anything, two unique mechanics of hers that really stand out are Witch Time and Bat Within. For those not familiar with Smash 4, Witch Time is a counter special move that slows down time if you hit it, granting her a huge punish and a combo starter out of anything, even safe moves like jabs or spaced aerials; and Bat Within is a unique property given to her air dodges, rolls, and spotdodges/sidesteps where she got extra defensive frames out of them but these frames would trigger "Bat Within", which teleported her into a direction in exchange for a bit of the attack's damage. These tools, in the context of Smash 4's meta, worked together in nasty fashion to shut down the game's offense - Bat Within's extra frames and special mechanic allowed her to escape the game's highly frametrap-centric offense, and Witch Time was always there to punish you for trying to continue combos or pressure beyond what was 100% guaranteed, no matter how risk-free it would be against any other character (and "true" combos were somewhat rare and limited in Smash 4). If you were lucky, your character could navigate around Bat Within with anti-Bayo frame traps that could catch Bat Within; if you weren't, it's likely that your character got squat and just had to deal with immensely diminished pressure. And don't even think about going for reads to circumvent that - when I said Witch Time could net her huge punishes, I wasn't kidding, she can reliably kill you from almost any percentage out of that (including zero). At the time, everyone (especially Bayo mains) loved to say that Bayonetta had "bad neutral" - and while it's true that her neutral and footsies tools were slightly below average, especially compared to the top tiers, it missed the point that her >entire moveset< heavily skewed neutral in her favor. Whenever she could open you up, you might just lose a stock, and whenever you open her up, YOU might just lose a stock too, unless you cut your combos dramatically short and sacrifice damage and stage positioning in exchange for not having to deal with Witch Time. Her extremely polarizing advantage and disadvantage states alike bled even into how neutral played out since she could take a lot more risks and it really compensated for her "bad tools", and that's something people even today will fail to recognize.
Nice explanation. Makes sense that "bad neutral" isn't that much of a weakness when the character's "disadvantage state" is hardly disadvantaged at all.
well yeah, but i'd say going from "guaranteed death combos" to "extremely potent punish game that can kill from any opening (but not guaranteed)" isn't that rough of a downgrade. Let's not forget that Bayo had great mixup potential and her combos were extremely universal due to some of her hitboxes nullifying DI.
I love this kind of fighting game analysis video. Rose is my favorite SF character, and while she was deadly in USF4, she was an absolute MONSTER in SFA2. I remember how effective (and damaging) Soul Illusion>cr. fierce used to be as an anti-air. Her Soul Illusion, combined with her punch alpha counter, almost made her feel like a character more for suited for Darkstalkers.
As a beginner in alpha 2 I slowly realized that m dp is great against that ac. Trying to bait it out is a different story. Rose is top tier but bearable. Hard to fight at top level play.
e. honda has a glitch in super turbo where he can dial in his commandgrab, so it just comes out whenever he’s next within range. turning this into a stance, an “automatic-grab stance character”, might be a cool new archtype
@@big_azzy ya!!! Midori is one way of making a character out of that mechanic... but i meant it would be an entire separate stance the character could go into at will, via a special move input. like, theyd have an automatically-commandgrabbing-when-in-range stance, and an automatically-antiairgrabbing-when-the-opponent-jumps stance... perhaps quartercircle-back+kick for the former and quartercircle-back+punch for the latter. they could move left and right slowly while in each stance, or cancel out of it by pressing a button. both stances would look exactly the same (so that the opponent couldn’t tell when they should be jumping and when they should be staying on the ground, _except_ by guessing the intention of the opponent, just like with a regular grappler mixup). the EX version of the commandgrab-stance would give it 1 hit of super armor until it was cancelled or went into a commndgrab, and the EX version of the antiairgrab-stance would give it invincibility to all aerial/overhead attacks until it was cancelled or went into an antiairgrab.
@@Ramsey276one haha, im not particularly skilled in a tournament setting, but i do tend to do a lot of "Theory Fighter" if you know what i mean.... fighting game mechanics are always interesting to me. i often buy new fighting games just to see if they have any original ideas i havent seen in other games. even with all that, i know enough about game development to know that, well.... coming up with really, really good original ideas is The Easy Part... anybody in the FGC can do that!!! it's PUTTING IN THE WORK TO MAKE IT PLAYABLE or at least LOOK OR SOUND REAL that matters... if you can't program, or animate, or compose music, and you're just coming up with movesets on a forum and begging other people to make your designs for you, you're nothing but a naive FGC moocher unfortunately... i learned that THE HARD Way.... i made a whole set of animations and background music and a stage all by myself and tried to find someone to do the mugen programming for me, and nobody has done it for me to this day.... somebody OFFERED to do it, but flaked off at the last moment for basically no reason. i still have all the art and music and sound assets i made for Cassius The Clay Swordsman in a dropbox folder somewhere LOL
The way you play against rose is really similar how you play against GGAC+R Baiken, with keeping mind it's a reverse quarter circle back input and everything, but doesn't require meter. In GGXrd, Baiken's Azami is WAAAYY less busted and way more committal, making her still frustrating to play against but no longer completely nullifies moves or characters.
Street Fighter alpha 2+3's Rose is her strongest setup but when Street Fighter 4, they nerfed her and lowered her on the tier list. I showed my cousin a video comparison of how different she played between the games and he was shocked at how much they changed.
Given who she is, I'd be up for seeing her given the full boss treatment. To be brought back up to this level of danger, without the glitch abuse part. Shin Rose... Although such a character would probably make more sense appearing in a game with a timeline set before the earliest one so far. Always been a fan of Rose and wish they did more with her.
Personally, I'd love to see her do a Gandalf thing. Get into a state where Bison really does just about kill her unseen in a major fight - only to have her return as The White Rose, now Bison's superior in power and as absolutely committed to goodness as he is to evil, rather than always being the weakling good shadow. Not her becoming the new villain, but her permanently being Bison's final boss and repeatedly him complaining about how any use of his psycho-power to harm someone is undone by her bolstered soul-power. That would frost his cookies to no end.
If you want characters with polarizing defensive options look no further than Soulcalibur 6, that game has so many strong defensive options and even entire character designs based around the idea of the "reverse mix up" where your own offense will be the thing that kills you if you aren't careful.
@GenesisGems Rose was designed after Lisa Lisa, Joseph's mother, and she was inspired by an music artist named Lisa Lisa and the Cult Jam. A few of Capcom's characters were greatly inspired by JJBA and them after the music of its time.
Gill’s designed after a Pillar Man, but he’s supposedly one of the worst characters in SFV. On the other hand, Urien, who looks even more like a Pillar Man than his brother, is one of the best. Some might say the best.
Thank you for using scan lines. Those era games looks so much better with them . In fact natural CRT scan lives were taken into consideration in the design. I hate how it became typical to not use the feature.
Wow, one of the best in-depth analysis of A2 Rose I've ever read/watched... since ever. I say it's the meter gain that also makes her polarizing. 2 fireball absorbs = 1 meter; Punch AC only costing about 2/3 of 1 level (since you gain a good deal back after AC combo).
Alpha 2 is still, to this day the best Street Fighter game ever made: the game mechanics were unrivalled, each character's storyline's were interesting and fleshed, the opening, the artwork, the graphics, the characters, everything about it was perfection.
Alpha 2 Rose will always be one of my favorite fighting game characters. She was probably the first top tier character I used in a fighting game and actually liked it. She just has everything. Can't wait for SFV Rose. Falke has been fun to itch that poke into fireball gameplay a bit, but Rose always been the original.
I love Rose so much I use Fang in SF5 because his cr.HP is pretty much the same. So happy to have her back in 2021. Hope they don't tone her down too much!
Right here! He's my favorite character in the entire series. He doesn't get enough love man. I was hoping Zeku would scratch the itch of him not being in the game but nah, not at all. I really hope he makes it into SF6.
I mean polarizing literally just means strongdiffering opinions about a subject. Now the reason a character is polarizing could be because they are unique but having unique mechanics does not in itself mean the character is polarizing.
Man as someone who grew up playing a ton of Alpha 2 in the arcades back in the day i always knew Rose was strong but damn not THIS strong, lol. She's borderline OP.
The closest example of a character of such an archetype from SFV I can think of is Kolin. She has multiple unique defensive options (the parry, V-Skill counter) that force really button happy characters (like M.Bison, Dhalsim) to approach her differently.
Since day 1... when my friends and I started playing around 1994, nobody held any polarized views on Street Fighter 2. NOBODY, none of my friends and nobody we ever met over the course of the next 30 years.
Even with Auto enabled her attacks still chip away enough health from you. She's constantly in the offensive in Hard 3/4, yet even on easier modes she's still pretty tough to beat.
This reminds me of Melee's most polarising character: Puff. Her defensive options are some of the best, being able to stall in the air essentially as long as she wants. She's super light, so regular combos typically stop working way earlier than they normally would. Rest is basically an instant KO if she reads you with it or manages to hit it in the middle of your own combo, and her up throw combos into it at the beginning of the match
I'm not an expert in Street Fighter. It always annoys me when playing Rose when I was a kid. I didn't know how to play her properly so I didn't know she was this broken.
I disagree. Knowledge Check characters are more prevalent than I remember in a long time, due to zoning and footsies being so bad in modern games, while execution has become easier. This means that modern games emphasize system knowledge and tech, over fundamentals and execution. Fighting games have become more about knowing how to play the matchup, and less about playing the opponent. If characters have been so homogenized that there's only one optimal way to play a character, and execution has become so easy my dog can do a bnb combo, then knowledge checks are the only thing keeping fighting games from being random guessing. Defensive characters, however, are becoming increasingly rare, knowledge check or not. Especially in the non-zoner variety. New school players don't get wowed by having strong anti-air normals and high damage safe pokes in the same way they do when they get yet another 50/50 setup, pressure tool, or flashy combo extender.
Bro, I play third strike like a religion, and this type of broke details piss me off, nice info, and STONER METAL SONG!!! BRUTAL!! CHEERS!! THX 4 the info!
Always loved Rose. Didn't even know she was this broken. Just loved her reflect scarf and air throw anti air.
I liked her bc sparkles, and swishy fairy cloth fighting style ~12 yr old me
@@RecoveringChristian same here
Just commenting because that profile picture is something I also use in other platforms. Same vibrations.
I love this, cause when I play in the '90 with my casual friends, Rose was considered hard to play and weak.
For whatever reason her projectile attack pushes you all the way back in some situations like dashing as guy. annoying af and not even sure if its intended
1:48 Holy crap, she whiffed an entire crMP AFTER Ryu jumped, and still had time to anti-air with crHP. That's nuts.
"come and worship at the church of low strong"
Like Chun li is faster than ryu but weaker in strength
@@phil4863 that's like debatable
"an entire cr. mp"... doesn't matter how good the move is, its the whiffing of a medium button dude. of course she still had time to anti air.
@@phil4863 thats cute
Chun-li: I'm the strongest woman in the world
Rose: that's cute
I have a question for you.
@@chaddfrancis2179 ARE YOU OK?
@@Kahanami BUSTER WOLF!!🤜💥🔥
@@Kahanami ARE YOU HURT?
Miss X: Oh, really?
"Getting someone to the corner is hard in any game. "
Dragon Ball Fighterz: Oh..... Is it?
2 C-Assists players be like
Ramlethal players be like "hold my roman cancel"
@@courtneyrock6202 SFV - V-trigger cancel with 1/2 the cast and you go coast to coast.
@@shaunmcisaac782 Literally
Fighterz is all about the unga bunga, wild game.
Rose is so OP that in the snes version she could even stop time altogether
SNES version?
@@Kahanami SFA2 for the SNES
@@fhagane6821 Oh wow I never knew that the SNES had a SFA2 port
@@Kahanami it's not perfect by any means but it's very playable and fun even though its limitations
@@fhagane6821 oh, that's fine I already have the game on the switch
i love her concept of "ultimate counterpart to the ultimate evil"
Rose and her Soul Power is the good to Bison and his Psycho Power's evil, kinda like how Ryu and his fighting style are a counterpart to Akuma and the Satsui No Hado.
Both control forces that are of similar origin to their evil counterparts, but they are vastly different due to their morals and ideals.
I don't even play fighting games but for some reason I really enjoy videos talking about them and it doesn't matter to me I don't understand half of the things. What a strange thing I didn't expect.
You may as well take the next step and start playing them.
Play sfv bro it’s easy to get into compared to other sf games but still makes you think about what you’re doing on the fly. Fighting games are a good workout for your brain tbh
I have also fallen down a rabbit hole of fighting game video essays despite being complete ass at them... the mechanics are so deep and intricate compared to other genres tho. And the music slaps
@@Afroctopus if you have the means to try out a street fighter game and have the time to get into it I highly recommend it. I just want more people to play street fighter tbh 😂
@@SammyBooy2814 I'd love to play fighting games but I don't have the mental speed or reflexes to process and react, I've tried in the past.
But I can enjoy them as a sports fan I guess lol
Gosh, it feels strangely fitting for Rose as a fortune teller that you're biggest defense against her at top level play is to give her as little patterns to read from as possible.
That Sirlin article wasn't exaggerating about Alpha2 Rose's "Crouching Strong".
Kinda was. You don't see any successful Rose's mashing c.mp. It's a good tool, but you're not going to win vs high level comp doing that. Sirlin wasn't winning tournaments back then vs the like of Valle and Choi.
sirloin is a hack
1:42 Man it's a good thing Capcom learned their lesson and went out of the way to make sure characters wouldn't have such mindless crMP in future titles, right 3S Ken?
Oh, in a3 there are a few more of those unbeatable c.mp.
Why does Capcom Likes them, i don't know.
Honestly that move ain't as cheap
Chuns back fierce on the other hand 😂
Bro predicted SF6
Alpha Counter are one of my favorite mechanics .
Well yeah, that and SNK's Emergency Blowback Attack from the King of Fighters series.
Both are glorious techniques that troll your opponent just when they think they have a win in the bag 😄👍!
I love me some good counter mechanics in any fighting game.
Samurai Shodowns rage meter is also an amazing mechanic
@@alleged_lobotomite I especially love SS4 for that sweet sweet Issen action.
Too bad it'll never come back cuz "muh parries yall", granted there's V-Reversals in SFV but it does like no damage, and it doesnt cost any of ur main super meter like in the Alphas or even how EX moves uses regular super meter, since V-Reversals are tied to the V Gauge thing (whatever tf its called)
Your reasoning at the end made me think of Yoshimitsu in Tekken. He's the only character with a 6 frame move in his Flash, so you have to be really careful cuz he can interrupt or punish things you'd normally just throw out. His flash is launch punishable however, so it creates this really lovely dynamic of anticipating it. I love facing Yoshis because of it
‘Wanna play Alpha 2.”
“Sure; but no Rose.”
“Ok, let’s play KOF instead.
Based
I'd just play Rolento
is alpha 2 better than 3
@@ri_c_e many do consider it better
Its amazing how almost every fighting game trope comes from Street Fighter, they really pioneered this genre.
Rose is making a grand return in SFV
Not as important as Dan returning tho
@@goldenhydreigon4727 i'm pretty sure 90% of the people saying this aren't going to play him.
I have never, ever, ever, seen an in depth explanation of this! Please do make more.
Very interesting! My only experience with Rose was Street Fighter 4, in which she had basically *none* of these tools, so I was really wondering what was so great about a character that from my perspective really only had a fireball, a DP, a reflect and an advancing attack. I'm hoping they do her like they did poison in SF5, a full overhaul of her kit with a clear direction. Maybe bring back some of that alpha 2 magic.
Yeah I wish the video title said Alpha in it. It's not part of Rose's character design across all iterations of her.
Yeah, maybe they give her some Alpha Magic and Turn her to a top3 character.
I wonder how people would react? I really wonder?
Only things I want are for cr. mp to be godlike and Soul Spiral to be safe. If those things happen, she's wifey again.
@@wingspantt Alpha 2. She's not that great in Alpha 3, definitely nerfed, and in Alpha 1 she was just ok
Ugh I hope they DON'T do her like SFV Poison. She has WAY too many good tools, especially for a character with top tier zoning.
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I remembered only picking Rose because of her aesthetics. She's gorgeous and such an icon. 😂😂
this definition of polarizing is EXACTLY why Bayonetta was such a problem in Smash 4
apart from her infamous guaranteed death combos out of anything, two unique mechanics of hers that really stand out are Witch Time and Bat Within. For those not familiar with Smash 4, Witch Time is a counter special move that slows down time if you hit it, granting her a huge punish and a combo starter out of anything, even safe moves like jabs or spaced aerials; and Bat Within is a unique property given to her air dodges, rolls, and spotdodges/sidesteps where she got extra defensive frames out of them but these frames would trigger "Bat Within", which teleported her into a direction in exchange for a bit of the attack's damage.
These tools, in the context of Smash 4's meta, worked together in nasty fashion to shut down the game's offense - Bat Within's extra frames and special mechanic allowed her to escape the game's highly frametrap-centric offense, and Witch Time was always there to punish you for trying to continue combos or pressure beyond what was 100% guaranteed, no matter how risk-free it would be against any other character (and "true" combos were somewhat rare and limited in Smash 4). If you were lucky, your character could navigate around Bat Within with anti-Bayo frame traps that could catch Bat Within; if you weren't, it's likely that your character got squat and just had to deal with immensely diminished pressure. And don't even think about going for reads to circumvent that - when I said Witch Time could net her huge punishes, I wasn't kidding, she can reliably kill you from almost any percentage out of that (including zero).
At the time, everyone (especially Bayo mains) loved to say that Bayonetta had "bad neutral" - and while it's true that her neutral and footsies tools were slightly below average, especially compared to the top tiers, it missed the point that her >entire moveset< heavily skewed neutral in her favor. Whenever she could open you up, you might just lose a stock, and whenever you open her up, YOU might just lose a stock too, unless you cut your combos dramatically short and sacrifice damage and stage positioning in exchange for not having to deal with Witch Time. Her extremely polarizing advantage and disadvantage states alike bled even into how neutral played out since she could take a lot more risks and it really compensated for her "bad tools", and that's something people even today will fail to recognize.
Nice explanation. Makes sense that "bad neutral" isn't that much of a weakness when the character's "disadvantage state" is hardly disadvantaged at all.
*guaranteed death combos out of anything pre patch (always has to be said imo)
well yeah, but i'd say going from "guaranteed death combos" to "extremely potent punish game that can kill from any opening (but not guaranteed)" isn't that rough of a downgrade. Let's not forget that Bayo had great mixup potential and her combos were extremely universal due to some of her hitboxes nullifying DI.
Ok.
Do you have any more of these Smash paragraphs.
I always liked her design aesthetic but I never really wrapped my head around her play style
I love this kind of fighting game analysis video. Rose is my favorite SF character, and while she was deadly in USF4, she was an absolute MONSTER in SFA2. I remember how effective (and damaging) Soul Illusion>cr. fierce used to be as an anti-air. Her Soul Illusion, combined with her punch alpha counter, almost made her feel like a character more for suited for Darkstalkers.
Ken, Ryu and Chun were still better than her in Alpha 2
"You keep using that word, but i don't think it means what you think it means."
As a beginner in alpha 2 I slowly realized that m dp is great against that ac. Trying to bait it out is a different story. Rose is top tier but bearable. Hard to fight at top level play.
anything with invincibility that hits more than once or stays active for a long time beats it.
e. honda has a glitch in super turbo where he can dial in his commandgrab, so it just comes out whenever he’s next within range. turning this into a stance, an “automatic-grab stance character”, might be a cool new archtype
Like Midori from Fantasy Strike, who gets that same concept whenever he lands his counter?
@@big_azzy ya!!! Midori is one way of making a character out of that mechanic... but i meant it would be an entire separate stance the character could go into at will, via a special move input. like, theyd have an automatically-commandgrabbing-when-in-range stance, and an automatically-antiairgrabbing-when-the-opponent-jumps stance... perhaps quartercircle-back+kick for the former and quartercircle-back+punch for the latter.
they could move left and right slowly while in each stance, or cancel out of it by pressing a button. both stances would look exactly the same (so that the opponent couldn’t tell when they should be jumping and when they should be staying on the ground, _except_ by guessing the intention of the opponent, just like with a regular grappler mixup).
the EX version of the commandgrab-stance would give it 1 hit of super armor until it was cancelled or went into a commndgrab, and the EX version of the antiairgrab-stance would give it invincibility to all aerial/overhead attacks until it was cancelled or went into an antiairgrab.
Midori in Fantasy Strike!
Was that the origin???
@@AuntBibby I found another FGC /M.U.G.E.N. adept??
@@Ramsey276one haha, im not particularly skilled in a tournament setting, but i do tend to do a lot of "Theory Fighter" if you know what i mean.... fighting game mechanics are always interesting to me. i often buy new fighting games just to see if they have any original ideas i havent seen in other games.
even with all that, i know enough about game development to know that, well.... coming up with really, really good original ideas is The Easy Part... anybody in the FGC can do that!!! it's PUTTING IN THE WORK TO MAKE IT PLAYABLE or at least LOOK OR SOUND REAL that matters... if you can't program, or animate, or compose music, and you're just coming up with movesets on a forum and begging other people to make your designs for you, you're nothing but a naive FGC moocher unfortunately... i learned that THE HARD Way.... i made a whole set of animations and background music and a stage all by myself and tried to find someone to do the mugen programming for me, and nobody has done it for me to this day.... somebody OFFERED to do it, but flaked off at the last moment for basically no reason. i still have all the art and music and sound assets i made for Cassius The Clay Swordsman in a dropbox folder somewhere LOL
Fighting game analysis and doom metal at the same time is peak entertainment.
6:27 "As people attempt to.......(what? Via cc you?)"
Valle CC (Alex Valle Custom Combo)
Me who played regular footsies vs a zangief who clearly didn't realise just how scary he is
Wow, loved this deep analysis! Always knew she was broken but didn’t realize to what degree.
Was playing this on my tv, had to pull up on phone to ask if that was Empress Rising. Monolord rules!
So when Rose comes into SFV, I wonder will this be her V-reversal.
Make it the same but with a little more damage scaling and it'll be perfect.
Could even be her vskill
So Rose IS coming to SFV?
Yes she was announced to be the next character this season
The way you play against rose is really similar how you play against GGAC+R Baiken, with keeping mind it's a reverse quarter circle back input and everything, but doesn't require meter. In GGXrd, Baiken's Azami is WAAAYY less busted and way more committal, making her still frustrating to play against but no longer completely nullifies moves or characters.
Came for the knowledge, stayed for the Monolord
Street Fighter alpha 2+3's Rose is her strongest setup but when Street Fighter 4, they nerfed her and lowered her on the tier list. I showed my cousin a video comparison of how different she played between the games and he was shocked at how much they changed.
Given who she is, I'd be up for seeing her given the full boss treatment. To be brought back up to this level of danger, without the glitch abuse part. Shin Rose... Although such a character would probably make more sense appearing in a game with a timeline set before the earliest one so far. Always been a fan of Rose and wish they did more with her.
Personally, I'd love to see her do a Gandalf thing. Get into a state where Bison really does just about kill her unseen in a major fight - only to have her return as The White Rose, now Bison's superior in power and as absolutely committed to goodness as he is to evil, rather than always being the weakling good shadow. Not her becoming the new villain, but her permanently being Bison's final boss and repeatedly him complaining about how any use of his psycho-power to harm someone is undone by her bolstered soul-power. That would frost his cookies to no end.
Didn't know this. I was a child back when this game came out.
"Why Rose is a Polarising Character"
..Okay, this video is off to a great start.
I main Ken in Alpha 2 and this video makes me want to learn Rose as a pocket
Beautifully articulated and defined!!! Love the channel and I can't wait to dive into more of your content!!!
If you want characters with polarizing defensive options look no further than Soulcalibur 6, that game has so many strong defensive options and even entire character designs based around the idea of the "reverse mix up" where your own offense will be the thing that kills you if you aren't careful.
Gotta admit though, when it happens to THEM then you love to see it, doncha?
This channel is SOOOOOO UMDERRATED!!!!
This is exactly what happens when you design a character after someone in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. They're naturally unfair. That and the Cult Jam.
sf Lisa lisa for the win!
@GenesisGems Rose was designed after Lisa Lisa, Joseph's mother, and she was inspired by an music artist named Lisa Lisa and the Cult Jam. A few of Capcom's characters were greatly inspired by JJBA and them after the music of its time.
Gill’s designed after a Pillar Man, but he’s supposedly one of the worst characters in SFV.
On the other hand, Urien, who looks even more like a Pillar Man than his brother, is one of the best. Some might say the best.
@@fissilewhistle well yes gill is kinda bad, but in canon power levels... he isn't *that* powerfull either
@@fissilewhistle jk, he is actually "stronk"
your videos are so good, man
Yo that lead up to baiken made me go "oh I'm gonna drop a comment about baiken" and then you bring her up amazing video man
Thank you for using scan lines. Those era games looks so much better with them . In fact natural CRT scan lives were taken into consideration in the design. I hate how it became typical to not use the feature.
I really hope there is someone at Capcom thinking the same way as you right now.
Rose is voiced in the game by Ai Orikasa, who is Ryouko in Tenchi Muyo and Quatre in Gundam Wing. My favorite voice actress
Wow, one of the best in-depth analysis of A2 Rose I've ever read/watched... since ever. I say it's the meter gain that also makes her polarizing. 2 fireball absorbs = 1 meter; Punch AC only costing about 2/3 of 1 level (since you gain a good deal back after AC combo).
Love that sludgy and doomy riff in the back! Hell yeah for fighting games and heavy tunes.
just want to say I really dig the doom-stoner background metal
Alpha 2 is still, to this day the best Street Fighter game ever made: the game mechanics were unrivalled, each character's storyline's were interesting and fleshed, the opening, the artwork, the graphics, the characters, everything about it was perfection.
Alpha 2 Rose will always be one of my favorite fighting game characters. She was probably the first top tier character I used in a fighting game and actually liked it. She just has everything. Can't wait for SFV Rose. Falke has been fun to itch that poke into fireball gameplay a bit, but Rose always been the original.
VERY good video, I'll definitely use it for reference when talking about character match ups.
Me: “Uhhh, I have no idea what any of this mea-WAIT IS THAT MONOLORD??”
My favorite sfa, sfa2, sfa2g, sfa3, sf4 character. Cant wait for her to be in sf5
20 years on still surprised by the depth of play in these older fighters.
These polarizing parts of Rose feel in-character to her origin, being based on Lisa Lisa of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 2 Battle Tendency
I love Rose so much I use Fang in SF5 because his cr.HP is pretty much the same. So happy to have her back in 2021. Hope they don't tone her down too much!
wasnt expecting monolord to be playing in a video game video
I just noticed he was playing empress rising by. Monolord. I fucking worship that song.
any Guy fans? I loved the Alpha series for many reasons, Guy was one. I wish they wouldve put him in SF5 somehow. :(
Right here! He's my favorite character in the entire series. He doesn't get enough love man. I was hoping Zeku would scratch the itch of him not being in the game but nah, not at all. I really hope he makes it into SF6.
@@orlanzo2621 Vega is my fave on SF5...is there SF6 on the horizon? they better bring Guy back!
completely agree with your conclusion: every fighting should have a character that forces you to slow down and think about how you're going to attack
This song has never used Light Or Medium buttons ever. Great content!
your background music is insane
Love the fighting game tech, great content. Also shout-out to repping Monolord 🤘
Yknow i used to wonder why so many older street fighter players seemed to love rose so much. Now i see
i love roses theme in alpha 2
I mean polarizing literally just means strongdiffering opinions about a subject. Now the reason a character is polarizing could be because they are unique but having unique mechanics does not in itself mean the character is polarizing.
(subtitles on) Today I learned that Rose has amazing aunties 😋
That's probably why she's so strong.
Man as someone who grew up playing a ton of Alpha 2 in the arcades back in the day i always knew Rose was strong but damn not THIS strong, lol. She's borderline OP.
The closest example of a character of such an archetype from SFV I can think of is Kolin. She has multiple unique defensive options (the parry, V-Skill counter) that force really button happy characters (like M.Bison, Dhalsim) to approach her differently.
I just found your channel oh man I'm hooked. Keep up the great videos.
Me, a simple third strike Ryu player: *what*
Me who doesn't even play Street Fighter: What?
Nobody hates her tho.
The first thing Capcom did in Zero 2 Alpha was making Zero/Alpha counters use 50% of bar instead of 1/3
I WAS sf a2 master and i loved rose, SFA2 is such a good game
Doom Metal in the background, very nice.
fuck yeah Monolord, one of the last bands I saw before lockdown
Since day 1... when my friends and I started playing around 1994, nobody held any polarized views on Street Fighter 2. NOBODY, none of my friends and nobody we ever met over the course of the next 30 years.
Song choice is immaculate 👌
Came for the fight game breakdown, subbed for the crushing doom
With Rose coming in SFV season 5, I have a feeling in SF6 bison will be in her body.
He died in the story mode. I dont think that will be the case.
Every Rose has Its Thorn, right? 🌹
Good Poison song.
i use Rose in Alpha 3. her heavys have some serious range with low recovery frames. and that medium slide kick.
Even with Auto enabled her attacks still chip away enough health from you. She's constantly in the offensive in Hard 3/4, yet even on easier modes she's still pretty tough to beat.
"Polarasing character based on defensive options."
UI Goku: Now draw.
This reminds me of Melee's most polarising character: Puff. Her defensive options are some of the best, being able to stall in the air essentially as long as she wants. She's super light, so regular combos typically stop working way earlier than they normally would. Rest is basically an instant KO if she reads you with it or manages to hit it in the middle of your own combo, and her up throw combos into it at the beginning of the match
1:42 David Sirlin got his nickname by abusing that move.
I'm not an expert in Street Fighter. It always annoys me when playing Rose when I was a kid. I didn't know how to play her properly so I didn't know she was this broken.
I watched this video even though I have never or will play Alpha 2.
I got reconditioned this video after getting bodied by Rose in Fightcade Alpha 2
wish there was a fighting game with that kind of rock.
i dont play fighting games but SFA pixel art is just mesmerizing
Mono lord! You know good shit dude
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We've walked the same path lol
Sounds like Peach's crouch cancel downsmash
These "Knowledge check " character are be becoming rare in fighters since rush down is prefer.
Jiren:DBFZ
Aoi: Virtual Fighter
Lei -Fang: DOA
hwoarang: tekken
I disagree. Knowledge Check characters are more prevalent than I remember in a long time, due to zoning and footsies being so bad in modern games, while execution has become easier. This means that modern games emphasize system knowledge and tech, over fundamentals and execution. Fighting games have become more about knowing how to play the matchup, and less about playing the opponent. If characters have been so homogenized that there's only one optimal way to play a character, and execution has become so easy my dog can do a bnb combo, then knowledge checks are the only thing keeping fighting games from being random guessing.
Defensive characters, however, are becoming increasingly rare, knowledge check or not. Especially in the non-zoner variety. New school players don't get wowed by having strong anti-air normals and high damage safe pokes in the same way they do when they get yet another 50/50 setup, pressure tool, or flashy combo extender.
i'm about 4 video's into this channel, and I wasn't aware that i have NO heckin idea how to actually play fighters.
Rose always bring nightmares
Bro, I play third strike like a religion, and this type of broke details piss me off, nice info, and STONER METAL SONG!!! BRUTAL!! CHEERS!! THX 4 the info!