"IQ is largely heritable." Fine. "Race is largely heritable." Fine. "I wonder if there's a link between IQ and race since they're both heritable." REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
brwhizz 30 Americans have a very boneheaded view on things like that. It’s the land of the free and we don’t fight for a month of vacation time per year. There’s 12 months in the year, it’s crazy that most Americans spend 11 1/2 months working. That’s more than 90% of the year spent working 40-60 hours a week lmao.
@@joejjj4378 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country workers in UK are entitled to a minimum of 28 days a year of paid leave, which I would definitely take advantage of.
It really isnt all that much. Its not insignificant but its easily doable. Would only require a few mins every day. Lets say he tweeted 7k times in 8 years... That is an average of 2.4 tweets a day. If he was having a debate/discussion with someone at 140 chars per tweet (Or 280), and Sam can be quite verbose, I am guessing he might have fired a few dozen of them per conversation.
Anpeo I don’t understand people’s fascination with twitter. So you can stay up to date with what celebrities are doing 24/7... what a waste of time. As a celebrity I totally get it.
@@kevinanderson63 No they're not. Just generally speaking, there's really not that much to this comment, so no need to over-analyse.
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@@eduar2971 u mean melanesians? They're genetically very different from africans. Hell, even Europeans surprisingly have more DNA in common with Africans than melanesians do
he has to walk on the tips of hid toes to try and avoid all those landmines around him. massive props to him to at least talking about this scientifiic subject that has been ignored and supressed for so long. there’s no easy or short way to having this conversation.
A one legged man so he is Jewish. A lot of Jewish of ppl are non practicing but still Jewish. “Not really Jewish” yet you state he is a quarter Jewish based on ur estimations. Not really Jewish literally doesn’t make sense bro. Don’t have to be religious to be considered Jewish
Abigail Slade not anymore my friend. You can be of Jewish descent and not be a practicing Jew, yet you are still Jewish. Jews are people not just a religion. This is clear
I always find it funny that when it comes to other things (such as athleticism), it's ok to talk about racial differences, but when it comes to IQ, people have a meltdown. If you can't even acknowledge that differences exist, you can't take steps to diminish the gap.
Bryant E probably because there's a lot of history and culture on creating a lot of suffering and cruelty that was justified based on difference in intelligence but nothing like that justified on athletic differences
If you want a higher IQ society why don't we just give everyone an IQ test then deport those who have a below average IQ. Why bring race and ethnicity into it and discriminate based on group and not on an individual level?
@Daniel G Again instead of helping people based on race because they belong to low IQ group, wouldn't it be more fair to help people with low IQ to try to raise it? You might be low IQ and belong to high IQ group or vice versa. Again why bring race into this issue and let white supremacist push thier narrative?
There is absolutely no logic behind it, you cant even say that we dont have the resources to take everyone's IQ because to evaluate the average IQ of a population you would still need to get everyone's IQ. Not to mention they're not really expensive.
@jack Maher That still won't apply to you individually. I guess it would apply if you want to consider going down the path of Hitler, though, with the whole eugenics thing. Otherwise, the data would just serve as a metric to determine whether we're all still advancing as a group/species/country or community
It’s 12%. And your point still stands. But there are more people at the bottom in group B and no amount of government program can change that besides and incredibly unjust one. But your point is true and is the most important
@@BeattapeFactory You are forgetting that IQ was almost that much lower for caucasians ~150 years ago. We don't understand all the relevant factors, but IQ does go up as a population becomes more well off. Most likely, very little of the observed differences can be attributed to racial genetics. Agree with your last point though, and that of Sam's in the video. We need societies that work for everybody on the spectrum.
Exactly. If I learned that the average penis size of white men was larger, that would make me sad, not happy. Because I care about my own size not that of sone group I belong to.
says he's had 6-7k tweets. then goes onto say he's never tweeted much. Then goes onto say he hasnt been in vacation in "a very long time, at least a year." Are these people living in the same realm of reality as the rest of us?
I make decent money and have a flexible schedule and I've only spent a 3-day weekend 2 hours drive away in the last 5 years. Vacations are a waste of money and not worth the hassle to me. Our society seems to view vacations as the ultimate highlight of life. Like the entire point of our existence in the universe is so we can take selfies at a tropical beach.
@@ienjoyapples you are so enlightened, most people need to get away from their routine once in a while. Everything is a waste of money except food and shelter, but we're not animals we need more than that so we spend our money on things we enjoy, for some people it's traveling and for you it's something else
@@radhiadeedou8286People go on expensive vacations, then complain that they can't afford health insurance or to pay off their student loans. They want me to pay for those things with my tax dollars while they take selfies at the beach. If you have fuck it money, go ahead and take a vacation. Most people don't have fuck it money, but people feel they "need" a vacation, as though they'll just breakdown and implode if they don't spend 2 weeks a year somewhere exotic.
@@trollop_7 I might have read it differently than as intended, but I read it as, they were in general tip toeing and being really careful about what they were saying.
I'm black, with an IQ of 90. I got my degree in electrical engineering and am making 78K a year working on microprocessors. My son is black with an IQ of 102, bright kid. I push him hard on his books, put him in the chess club, put him into AP Calc. Sam is right. The average of a population says nothing about you as an individual. You don't speak for other people who are the same ethnicity as you, you only speak for yourself. Get out there and make the world a better place however you can. Don't let a number define you.
I doubt your IQ is as low as 90…that marks you out as well below average and suggests that working on microprocessors would be beyond you….take another test dude!
Well, you're on youtube. People who are intellectual enough to discuss these ideas generally avoid doing so in this platform because they're likely to be ignored. Funny comments are usually upvoted to the top and discussions in the bottom. Same thing happens on reddit..but to a slightly lesser extent
@@volitionant9682 No, folks with an interest in this topic are trying to look smart. Are you dumber than me? Yes, I think so. Sorry. I do feel like the illuminati when I see these comment sections, despite my lack of real physical wealth.
But joe’s not smart enough to push back on any topics he’s not already familiar with so he’ll just agree with everything Murray says ... maybe have Bret Weinstein on with him or even Peterson
When joe Rogan said wow - because sam Harris said he hasn't taken his family on a vacation in about a year - I just thought about how I've never been on a vacation lol
@@yuzan3607 grew up poor. Ig I just subconsciously internalized that I was never be able to afford vacations or time off, so it never crossed my mind as a real possibility. However, since that comment, I've taken 3 business trips to Ohio which were kind of like vacations.
I find accepting concerning facts regarding my gender or race to be liberating. As long as they're just presented as facts, without demeaning commentary. The first step in fixing a problem is acknowledging it exists.
All one has to do is present the facts as they are and interject no biased interpretation of said facts because usually those interpretations are wrong
Whoknowsuknow What I mean is that you present people with facts, and they are gonna have opinions. On the otherhand you could say that facts are in and of themselves pointless if it generates no opinions.
yeahh, don't even know where to start with it. rogan obviously attracts a lot of right wingers, bigots, racists and morons. sad times. doesn't help that he worships charlatans like Peterson and this Harris tool
"let me just take a couple of minutes to close the various doors to hell that are now ajar based on what we've just said" - Harris, very eloquently put lmao
That is a little misleading....the concept of the regression to mean is definitely part of the IQ discussion. I'd like to know what percentage of American blacks crack an IQ of 100. What percentage cracks 120?
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@@dukedematteo1995 If you don't know how to make that calculation, how can you even have this discussion?. Do you really don't know how to use a Gaussian curve?.
It may be meaningless to your specific individual IQ but not to the type of society you live in. Take Haiti or Honduras or Detroit for example vs Singapore and Norway.
It’s always wise to remember, that as intelligent or skilled you think you are, there is always someone out there that is more intelligent or skilled than you. That is humbling thought.
9:33 "....I see what's coming. The more we understand ourselves, genetically and environmentally, if we go looking and even if we're not looking, we WILL discover differences between groups. And the endgame for us as a species is not to deny that those differences exist OR could possibly exist, BUT to deny that they have real political implications." AMEN
Except that they do have real political implications whether we like it or not. You will never build a country on the level of say Switzerland with the gene pool found in Somalia. We may wish that all men are created equal but nature has clearly not made it so, perhaps for good reason.
Political implications are real. With genetic sperm/egg cell selection or CRISPR, it will be interesting how everything unfolds. No need to change skin color I'm sure.
Calls for an ethnostate are overblown, but some political measures would be useful to reduce the IQ disparity between different groups. This would reduce "statistical racism" and allow the left to focus on more constructive pursuits once differences in income and incarceration rates became less pronounced. And you don't need to do much to reduce differences; IQ variation is mostly hereditary in nature, so all you need to do is to incentivize high-IQ individuals of minorities to produce more children.
It's really simple. As a Puerto Rican from New York with a mom who was a teenage mom and a sister who is a teenage mom, it has to do with culture and what is and isn't acceptable in different cultures. The fact of the matter is that in Hispanic American and black American culture, there are a lot of bad bad habits that exist. One of those being people thinking that it's okay to start having children very young and not prioritize things like school. It's not because we're dumb or we can't go to school or we don't have money. It has to do with culturally accepted norms in our communities. If enough of your friends are having kids before they even graduate high school you're going to think that it's okay too. If your parents don't have more than a high school education you're not going to really see the need to go to college. That being said I think college is becoming more and more obsolete and most degrees don't even pay well. But the bottom line is that it is cultural differences that are the reasons for many communities successes or failures. You're not going to see pregnant 15 year old Chinese girls in NYC. Even if their parents came from nothing and they're living in the ghetto. And you better bet that that kid is going to do well in school even if she's going to the same crappy school that a bunch of black and Latino kids are going to. It is CULTURE. And the more people ignore this and choose not to talk about it the more bad things will continue to happen in Black and Hispanic neighborhoods. I've always said that you could build a brand new shiny beautiful School in the ghetto but if the kids who go there do not appreciate it and value it it's not going to make a difference. And this is for all the "progressives" who think everything is about racism. It's not. Culture and socially acceptable behavior in communities plays the biggest role in how people's lives will turn out. If black celebrities like LeBron James spent half their time talking about how young black men need to stay off the streets and finish school, that would make a hell of a bigger difference than him constantly whining about racism. I've had several family members involved in gang violence. My mom's uncle was found dead in the park. I've also had family members die from drug-related AIDS etc. The problems that exist in our communities can be solved with a cold hard look at our own behavior and how we are raising our children.
dude, youre weird asf. you typed all that, about a subject that really isnt that deep. talk about being sensitive to race. on top of that, youre a rican, typing about blacks and browns, lol
"Grandfather was working on the railroads in California as an indentured servant and all that privilege trickled down" -Sam Harris. Classic! So funny and so deep to think about....
It is great. Race and IQ is real thing. Why not examine it? Why not to help? Universities have found ways to get rid of tenured professors for addressing this topic. The deem it unethical. Philip Ruston, a Canadian professor wrote about it even more than Murray and he was essentially labelled as the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. Ruston didn't try to sugar coat anything. Regardless if you like his approach, you cannot say anything about his data. He did extensive research in South Africa, where he could evaluate a 'mixed population' and everything checked out as predicted. ...For years, it was driven me crazy that Asian students needed higher marks to get into schools. At the same schools, black students get in with much lower marks than whites. It is absolutely ridiculous. When the merit of ones' work means nothing, our society is truly messed up.
Pr3ssPl4y Are you talking about Richard Lynn? The term "Flynn effect" is now standard in the psychological literature to refer to secular increases in IQ. Lynn has also argued that the high fertility rate among individuals of low IQ constitutes a major threat to Western civilization, as he believes people with low IQ scores will eventually outnumber high-IQ individuals. You think this racist?
+Michael R That's hilarious, you used rushton and data in the same sentence! Don't you find it a bit weird how the guy who was funded entirely by a eugenicist is the only one to consistently find differences between racial groupings?
@Silver Lady but i don't understand... Are people in the comments complaining because in the USA you don't have many days off? Or do they mean "vacation" as in going to a foreign country?
I can't help but think Sam is being slightly disingenuous when he says that he is not at all interested in racial differences in IQ. It's a topic that he touches on quite a bit.
He claims the intial conversation with Murray was more about Sam showing solidarity with him, and being against cancel culture... ...and the subsequent convos is Sam defending himself so he has to touch the subject Ive been a fan of Sams for a decade....he never touched the subject until the Murray podcast in 2017.
Twin studies would be very helpful for this, though there are ethical issues that make them rather unlikely. Hypothetically though, if you compared the IQ differences of twins raised in the same environment vs the IQ differences between twins with one raised in a slum and the other raised in privilege, you could get a pretty good estimate for the degree to which genetics contribute to IQ.
Nera Gato TONS of twin studies have been conducted with both MZ and DZ twins, and the results have been consistent. Heritability of IQ has been shown to be between 40-80%, and this range is not considered controversial at all in the scientific community.
@@nondescriptnyc exactly. The number is put between 60-80%. So essentially, as much as 80% of what determines someone's IQ can be attributed to their genetics. Meaning any differences in the mean average IQ among the races are almost certainly a result of each groups respective genes.
@@WillyOrca the funny part is when people say that they think that it's possible to raise someone's iq but in reality it just means that if those twins were supposed to have let's say a 120 iq. it could drop lower because of a bad environment
@@WillyOrca I don't think you can draw that conclusion. 80% of individual variation in IQ within whites (and also within blacks?) may be attributable to genetic variation but the black-white difference itself could still be due to the same environmental factors accounting for 20% of within group variation if those differed sufficiently between groups. It is also possible that there exist specific environmental factors that contribute to differences between groups but not to individual differences within groups so that they are not captured by twin studies. The obvious candidates for such a factor in America would have to be either "racism" or "black culture" depending on which ideological camp you adhere to I think
@@revachoa7165 Yeah except we have adoption studies too and the evidence is overwhelmingly supportive of the idea that genetics are the predominate determinative for IQ.
Nope. Only true if you blatantly ignore the destruction of prospering communities that are deemed intellectually inferior that was fully backed and supported by the US government’s control propaganda.
@@KPITGangsta and look at your screen name.....you seem proud or have some sort of respect for "gangstas". Gangsters are weak minded fools who destroy their own communities.
The Leatherface what is scientifically proven? Im curious do you unironically believed that there is an actual link between race and IQ beside fucking weird correlation? That doesn’t take into account environmental factor? I wonder if any one of you dumb fuck that believe Sam Harris idea actually read actual data that he cited because majority of these studies are super fucking flawed and no honest academic would take these shit seriously .
@@ws8061 Really? We just had a major story of a black girl winning her state spelling bee. Why? Because it just doesn't happen so we have to make a big deal out of it, with the Indian kids in the corner wondering why they're minority isn't celebrated for winning all the time.
@@zachkh Hmm, that's an astute assumption, except that South East Asians have the highest IQ. Weird that people from the East have a higher IQ than those from the West and it's meant to give an advantage to Westerners. As you should tell, I'm being sarcastic in blowing up your theory.
IQ is a good measure under some circumstances but we know all sorts of external things affect it. Experiments show that test performance is tied strongly to reported stress, for example.
@@001yael Saying anything of importance is automatically going to put you in the line of fire. It doesn't say anything about him, it's just the way it is.
@@yeetboiboid751 No, it doesn't. By saying literally anything you risk being offensive. You can't have a serious conversation in front of an audience and not risk being offensive because people have different opinions, and that's okay, but it is impossible to not risk offending anyone when speaking.
First and foremost education should start at home! Then when you send your child to a public or private schools, you should be engaged with the teachers teaching your children.
He has a good voice for sure, but he's got dull and condescending vibes, with notes of whininess as well. Though he is very intelligent and logical. IMO
I'm fully for discussion of these topics so long as theyre conducted by people who take it seriously and act in good faith as so many online weirdos with sinister motives and intentions refuse to do.
IQ should definitely be mentioned in discussions regarding university admission rates, incarceration rates, differences in average income and so on, since it explains all disparities attributed to "systemic racism" by some people on the Left.
@@VVayVVard seems a rather bold claim that IQ alone would explain the disparities in those areas you mentioned, furthermore that our current understanding of IQ is comprehensive enough to make objective judgements on the matter.
Also keep in mind this is a western study. The Asians they polled aren’t Chinese rice farmers. They’re much more likely the lawyers and businesspeople who made it to Europe and America. Not because they’re trying to mislead probably but just because actually getting a representative sample of “everyone” is real flipping hard.
@@mar4612 It's good to note that IQ and wealth are strongly correlated, so we can assume that the ones left out would have scored lower than the ones that were included, on average.
@@mar4612 they didn’t call them weak, just acknowledged that doctors and lawyers and others who immigrate to rich nations have a higher than average IQ. This is obviously and observably true
Well take a look at China/South Korea/ Japan, Taiwan, Singapore... basically any country with lots of East asians in it becomes developed and is advanced... so dont give me that garbage that only smart asians come to the west...
@@lowroad4257 Yeah. Equality of opportunity will probably never be possible but its definitely something we should strive for. Schools and poverty are a great place to start.
I set up a Twitter when it started and never went back. I think it's toxic. I've been following Sam Harris for over a decade and he's never looked like such a badass.
This is so beautiful to see Sam having a great conversation with these incredible guys. I'm an a sub Saharan African American, and I wonder if these awesome guys can help me determine my potential. I wonder if anyone agrees that black Africa made a mistake to accept the Christian religion. This, I believe, is a major detriment to black peoples. Any reasonable person can see that Africa is clearly ill-served by worshipping and following foreign religious concept. Good for the guys saying their peace man.
if you listen to bret weinstein and joe rogan talk about the difference between a religion and a cult, they do a good job of explaining how religious thinking evolved and how it's not just people being stupid and superstitious. societies with a story like guideline to moral behavior tend to outcompete ones which don't. it's a big problem for the west because we don't have a guiding narrative and we are starting to get crazy and worship money or sjw type stuff as a result. but your potential is yours. don't define yourself by your group average, your potential is unique to you man.
@Akindele Bankole Personally, I think that anyone accepting any religion today is a bad idea but I also agree with Not Loki's observation that, historically, the "guiding narrative" of Judeo-Christian ethics was a big part of how the west became the most powerful and civilised culture on earth. Regarding "black Africa", I'd say they made a bigger mistake in "accepting" Islam. Then again, there wasn't much choice involved. As with most of the countries which Mohammed's armies 'converted', it was either 'convert' or die.
I would like to make a point about how christianity was taught in S.S.Africa. When missionaries were spreading it inland from the coasts they stressed mostly on the beatitudes that mostly were about accepting suffering for a great reward in the afterlife. This specific approach primed those africans for colonial subjugation and non-resistance to it
Black self esteem is less important than the destroyed livelihoods of innocent scientists that dared to publish or speak about this, including the discoverer of the double helix DNA structure; James Watson (Still living and oppressed/censored).
There is nothing "innocent" about Watson, nor he is oppressed or censored. He is simply an old, sexist, racist cook who makes comments without substantiating them.
I can absolutely understand why people don’t want these discussions to take place. These facts are some of the most uncomfortable buts of objective truth that we could possibly discover about the reality in which we all exist. It just feels wrong. But this is a painful aspect of being the conscious, self-examining products of this neutral universe: there are things that we could and will discover about ourselves and our broader reality that are really, deeply unpleasant. And I understand why people might be concerned about the social and cultural consequences of the widespread knowledge and understanding of these facts. Those are, in my opinion, completely legitimate fears. That being said, it’s not gonna do to start trying to insist that uncomfortable facts be ignored and rejected, and it is most certainly not acceptable to try to punish those who discover these uncomfortable facts or discuss them. That is a disturbing, totalitarian method of engaging with the truth that just can’t be supported or allowed to continue. I do think it’s probably important to recognize and validate the fears of those who might be tempted to suppress discussion of subjects like this though. To pretend like they’re at all unreasonable seems foolish to me. If I was a black man listening to talks on this subject, I would probably be a little worried and feel a little bit threatened, my own iq aside. This data has got to be any real racist’s dream- it seems to confirm some aspects of some really significant, ugly stereotypes that have had a long run as justifications for real racism. Oh well, science, much like the universe, simply can’t be fucked to care about our feelings about any of it.
Binet (the inventor of the test) stressed the limitations of the test, suggesting that intelligence is far too broad a concept to quantify with a single number. Instead, he insisted that intelligence is influenced by a number of factors, that it changes over time, and that it can only be compared to children with similar backgrounds. IQ tests gauge symbolic logic only. Intelligence is far too multifaceted - there are too many variables. Your environment plays the most important part. Example, “Some” Asians for example go to school, AFTER regular school is complete for hours, then once home, it is back to studying. There are upsides to this kind of lifestyle; one of those being the ability to breeze through IQ test - a downside could be social awkwardness etc.
Thank you Carl, its always nice to see reasoning in these comments sections where your averedge joe suddenly reveals their sympathy with black and white racism.
Timothy Clarke you refute the words of the creator of the IQ test? I mean, I kinda quoted him verbatim. Seems like you need to “feel good” about your BS. This argument only fuels the insecurity of racists. I understand that due to your biases and whatever else it is that is removing any logical reasoning from your argument, that it will be impossible to change your mind - but those are the words of the creator of the test. 🤷🏼♂️
@@Epicfail911 You use anecdotal evidence and claim that you're in favor of using logic? Use logic and explain how your claims, even if they're true, make the IQ scores irrelevant. Do they measure nothing of merit? Use that same logic and explain why the IQ scores between races are directly mirrored in the results of common measures of success between races in society.
This is precisely the point about IQ tests, they evaluate most of the factors that help you succeed in modern society, but if you don't live in a modern society you will score badly. It evaluates human factors that are affected by environmental and social factors like nutrition, health care and education... discovering 3rd world nations have lower IQ only indicates what a role environment plays on average intelligence over generations.
IQ is the single best predictor of general life outcome. It has stood 100 years of idiotic scrutiny from the likes of you and is still the most validated concept in all the social sciences. IQ doesnt need your support, the data supports it more than data supports anything outside the field of mathematics.
Intelligence is an under-discussed issue. Working in a multi-faceted analytical role in corporate America....I’ve met and talked to and interviewed loads of people who couldn’t handle it. It’s kind of sad when you test someone’s limits and realize they aren’t high enough to do lucrative work. People take that as an insult or try to tear you down, instead of treated intelligence as a trait we can measure.
@@jonahnesmith7004 Not really, I've only seen differences between individual people, I think our society does a disservice pretending we're all on the same in terms of intelligence when we are not. The media is indeed dividing people by gender and race constantly, but that's not where the actual divide is.
@@kp8923 shiiiit I believe he would say something like that but do you believe that if Joe Rogan gave him a call that Matt dillahunty would reject his invitation? I don't believe that. Whether Matt likes Joe or not, he's got the number one podcast in the world and Matt knows that. Imagine how many people Matt could help get started questioning their faith. I think reaching out to people means more to Matt than his feelings. I would be very shocked if it was the other way around after watching Matt for so long.
@Silidons So would Ford, Chevy, and Chrysler. If anyone deserves tax dollars its companies like Tesla who make huge advancements in technology rather than sheer profits.
What Sam doesn't mention is that the methodology Charles Murray used to write the Bell Curve was extremely flawed. Limited sample sizes, cherry-picked data. It was terrible science.
@@p382742937423y4 If you're insinuating that I have a woke agenda, while Charles Murray is merely an objective, impartial purveyor of scientific research, you should really look into the guy's history. Murray has an agenda. That's fine. The crime is that his bias taints his science. If you think he's objective, ask yourself this: why did he include IQ tests that were administered in English to Africans who DIDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH? And why did he exclude follow up studies where the same testees, after having months to improve their English language skills, did better on the test? Look, I can tolerate a conservative. What I can't stomach is someone who cheats on their homework.
@@tomtimelord7876 I agree with the latter statement. I think the subject of human capacities and their relation to dna should be studied scientifically. It can help us in many ways (not just medicine and health care). Its a shame human petty dislikes for people not like them puts a taboo on trying to understand what we are.
I’m not gonna pretend I’m one of those righteous people above all forms of social media but I’ve never gone on Twitter in my life and there is no doubt in my mind that my life is better because of that fact.
That's in almost a decade and he isn't exactly your average person considering he has over one million followers, so no doubt many of his tweets will reflect that.
@@trollop_7 in the video @8:25 Sam says "maybe he [Charles Murray] is the canary in the coalmine". "canary in the coalmine" is an idiom derived from when miners would take canary birds down with them into the mines because canary birds are sensitive to noxious fumes. If the canary stopped tweeting or passed out, the miners knew to get out coz danger was imminent ( idioms.thefreedictionary.com/canary+in+a+coal+mine ). In this metaphor, Murray is supposed to be the proverbial canary in the "coalmine" of society, warning us of the imminent toxicity of closing down debate. In my example, im subverting the premise, expressing the opinion that Charles Murray is not a canary or useful barrometer of progressive discourse. I am suggesting that the relative openness of the IQ/gene debate, however, is.
@@tartanhandbag if there was a possibility to replicate you so that we could have this kind of great elaboration and culture dialog...the world would be a better place.
@Not Today yes, indeed he is, which is why i also commented to this video another comment with the following statement: Just to put it out there (again) ...race has no biological basis. This topic has been done to death: all the way from Ashley Montagu's "Man’s Most Dangerous Myth: The Fallacy of Race" back in 1942 through to Angela Saini's recent "Superior: The Return of Race Science: The Mad Science of Race and its Fatal Return" in 2019. You'd have to be a total fool not to see what's wrong with Charles Murray and his arguments. And no, i don't think he's a rampant proponent of white supremacy per se, but he ends up pandering to it, whether he intends to or not. We are responsible for the predictable outcomes of our actions and Charles Murray knew the consequences of his actions; that's why he recommends policy and sits on the board of conservative think tanks. and Sam i-call-myself-a-neuroscientist-but-am-actually-a-trust-fund-religious-studies-graduate Harris totally panders to it, seemingly because he spends more time reading The Bell Curve (a highly discredited, 40 years out of date rag by a non-expert conservative lobbyist) than he does reviewing the contemporary literature on the topic that's coming out on a month by month basis in scientific journals, much of which is genuinely interesting. some "neuroscientist", lol.
“All truth passes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident.” -Arthur Schopenhauer We are on phase two.
True! I don’t understand why facts are so controversial, they are pure unbiased truths. Like the backlash against the Bell Curve author, the people with the most hate towards the book just read critiques of it and didn’t read one page of the actual book. Those with the strongest opinions seem to know the littlest about the subject many times
@@cortneyrens yes. It is because the very concept of truth has been distorted by our governing forces in the west since WWII. The level of anti-western, anti-white brainwashing is closely akin to the totalitarian ideologies of communist China and North Korea, in the sense that questioning it leads to every kind of public ostracism short of throwing you in jail. If many of todays young marxists had their way, people like us would indeed be thrown in jail, or worse, and I fully expect that such things will happen once this generation of thoroughly brainwashed social marxists come into positions of power.
There should be laws against colleges admitting people on anything other academic capability. They shouldn't look at volunteer work or race or sports, it should only be their academic capability as that is what they are there to do.
They’re telling you that’s not all they’re there for by holding importance for those other activities. That would never work because people like doing other things and that’s why sports and music exist
@@laptv2144 what about volunteer work? that has nothing to do with one's academic capability and sports is something someone should do to be healthy. besides it's not like people seriously go to college to major in something related to sports.
The influence that your childhood makes on your IQ is underestimated. Smarter parents usually have smarter kids because they influemce them with books and different activities (playing an instrument, projects, manual skills...) since they were born, which helps the brain develop and makes the kid reflect about things from different perspectives. Of course genes also play a role but coming from a poor family where the parents don't have the time or the skill to unlock the full potential of their kids is also an important factor we should not forget. This to me is also part of the explanation of the link between race and IQ since members of the same race usually live in the same or similar environment
Exactly. And like, the amount of different ways in which different cultures and social factors influnce iq, that are also different between races, are crazy. For example, breastfeeding has well wstablished effect on later life iq. What racial group breastfeeds the least? Black people, for some cultural or economic reason. Even completely random shit like that affects these numbers.
Even the year you were born affects your IQ. Look up the "Flynn Effect". Dr. James Flynn has been studying the subject of IQ for the last 30 years and he has found that IS scored have been increasing in the US and in the developing world year after year. People are getting smarter. Well people are just better educated in Math and Language skills than previous generations. Math and Language skills is mostly what is measured in these tests.
@@titomala-madre Exactly. And the flynn effect is undeniably the product of environmental factors. Unless someone wants to claim that our brains evolved to manifest like 15 more iq points during the span of just a century lol.
What about equal opportunity? The radical left and socialist want equal outcome. No one fights for equal opportunity even though it's the best way to determine who are the most competent people.
@@kchannel5317 Even striving for equal opportunity will require some diminishing of liberties. Name two people that have equal opportunities. Impossible and even if it were possible, it would require coercion to make them equal. I agree with Yaron Brook's idea that we as a society should strive to 'maximize opportunities for every individual'. What I would add is we should also cultivate a culture where people voluntarily help others.
@@Gimposai Impossible even if it were possible? Freedom and equality are not mutually exclusive. Equal opportunity is the best thing for a free society. There will never be a completely equal society I'll give you that. Just as well there will never be such thing as a completely free society. However a culture that measurably gets better at voluntarily helping others will do its best to provide equal opportunity without discriminating.
@@kchannel5317 It is impossible. I was addressing pursuing equality of opportunity through government policy. "Equal opportunity" will likely never exist. It's a fine goal to push towards equality of opportunity if we set the bar at the highest level of opportunities. Anything less than that asks a person with more opportunities to diminish their opportunities. This is why I prefer "maximizing opportunity" as to not conflate my philosophy with that of somebody who wants to "tear somebody else down so we can be equal". If a rich person can afford to send their kid to all the best schools and pours all of their resources into the child, how would a child of a single parent household in the ghetto be able to get "equal opportunities"? I think we both agree government coercion is not the answer. Even if the rich person pours an equal amount of resources into another child, is it still equal in opportunity? Even among siblings, the opportunities are not "equal" as siblings are treated differently, treat each other differently, and simply are different with varying skill sets. I know I seem to be arguing semantics regarding the word equal, but I think it's important to not focus on making everybody equal (except under the law which we know is not the case) and better to focus on maximizing the opportunities each person can get. This includes getting people to volunteer resources to maximizing other's opportunities.
That’s not how it works though. Higher IQ = More friends, more money, a better life. Not saying a low IQ people can’t have a good life but higher IQ people just have a better chance at everything in life to articulate everything is so important in this complex world.
@@PanzerQuick Nope. IQ only up to a certain level gets you that type of success. After a certain point, someone is so smart in comparison to the rest they have a significantly harder time integrating into society and can often end up ostracized and struggling in life. Look at Nikola Tesla as a great example.
@@PanzerQuick Not at all, which demonstrates how little you know about this. This is the problem with these topics, there's so much to social sciences, which most people do not possess the language for.
I'm actually surprised at how low resolution this discussion was among such intelligent people. In most cases, IQ seems to be a question not of race, but of class (and the environmental, physical, nutritional, and educational outcomes that are associated with this that also result in a comparative lack of opportunity). It just so happens (actually, for a number of complex reasons) that there is greater alignment between these two variables ("race" and class) for some racial groups, which would seem to manifest itself as lower average IQs. In addition, it is also fundamentally important to consider the fact that "race" can't be scientifically defined (obviously not a trivial point). Sure, its reasonable that intelligence is heritable to a degree, but it seems insane to disregard the primary and direct effect that environmental factors can have on this metric. A person raised and educated in a comparatively well-off middle class+ family with access to education and opportunity would, for environmental factors, have a higher IQ than someone raised in a comparatively poor family in the inner city or in rural areas who don't have access to such opportunities. It shouldn't be rocket science that a middle class university educated Nigerian immigrant (they have the highest rates of education in the US) would have a higher IQ than a lower-class high-school educated rural white person in West Virginia (for example). I'd like to see these differences across class (I hypothesize that you'll see lower average IQs among those in the lower socio-economic classes), then race + class (I hypothesize that there would be little notable difference). Also, talk to most people about anything of substance (whatever their "race") and you'll question everybody's level of intelligence.
SHUT UP RACIST! But seriously, people discussing in this video do not have alot of knowledge of this topic, their main point is that topic cannot be discussed publicly and people are afraid to touch this subject. I do not know either alot about but personally it does not matter for me because i am individualist and if some racial population have lower average IQ... So what?! It is an average, it does not reflect on every single member of population so why would i care? Obviously this subject must be touched but it cant be because of fanatics. In case of class... there are differences, and as i remember higher the class higher the IQ, one of the causes being that higher class people are higher class because they can achieve more thanks to their IQ, children of higher class also seem to have higher IQ, but it does not solve the problem in any way since we still dont know if that is because of genetics or because of how kds are raised, there is alot of research about IQ and social class, but not alot including races for reasons stated before, in my opinion reaserching higher class black people still would not solve the problem because they would score as much or even more as others on their social class level, IQ has been proven to be the best factor to predict somebodies life succes and wealth. Another interesting point is that IQ is not tightly connected to education, you could potentialy find somebody in the primitive tribe that would score realy high on IQ score or somebody pushed by wealthy parents to university that would have very low IQ score (such things happen), as far as i remember scientists were checking IQ of identical genetically siblings (very often separated at birth or early age) to check their IQ and the thing is that it did not warried almost at all no matter how differently they were raised, the biggest difference was visible when one of the siblings was orphan that hasnt been adopted, that was causing big decreese in IQ, so unfortunatelly it looks like IQ is more influenced by genetics than nurture and bad nurture can only decrease it, there have been many experiments to increase IQ by nurture but not alot of success.
@@AyToNFTW Nope, those are just studies ive read or heard of, i do not know much about topic either, this is all i know about experiments on this topic and thats all ive written here.
Did we watch the same video? Harris said we can have healthy debate about the data. We can investigate why, on a racial breakdown, differences in IQ (flawed as it might be) exist, including I'm sure socio economic factors.
J G I think your right that’s probably why he hasn’t had him on already. It’s a shame though I think Jared is pretty brilliant and has a unique perspective growing up in japan
Pr3ssPl4y race absolutely is biological, it’s why you can tell a black person and a white person apart just by looking at them. Yes we are all human but chihuahuas and Great Danes are both dogs but you wouldn’t say there’s no biological difference between them. When people left Africa alot of adaptation to new environments came in part from interbreeding with Neanderthals. Also the fact we can trace peoples geographic origin through dna shows race and ethnicity is not a construct but differences rooted in biology. There are also unique phenotypical features to each race too which also suggests biological differences. Yes there has been racial mixing over the course of our existence but I don’t think it’s a widespread as you suggest as racial purity in groups in Asia and Africa is not uncommon even to today
Pr3ssPl4y You yourself provided a scientific definition of race/ethnicity - a human population which evolved separately from others for long enough to produce differences which are easily identified in DNA as well as by the naked eye. This is why we can find the remains of a murder victim from 50 years ago and determine their broad racial classification (as well as age and sex) just from a few bones. You can debate the semantics of race vs ethnicity, and how to classify more recent regional separations and mixing, but that kind of nuance does not change the biological basis of race.
dre turner I feel like a lot of whites lie about their IQ to or take a stupid free IQ test online, which is NOT accurate. I bet if they stopped lying we would see that whites don’t all have 120+ IQ’s. I am white myself and I feel like I think differently than many others, my IQ is 125-130, from official IQ tests in college. That isn’t the average IQ...So many people say their IQ is over 125, or 130, but there is no way when stats show that is not the average, or that common.. And these people take those online tests.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 variations within groups are way more than variations between groups. You are showing a very poor understanding of statistics. statistics can describe populations better than individuals. That is why Sam Harris has said over and over again that you cannot judge an individual based on race even though such stats exist. The studies Murray has done only state that the mean IQ scores differ across races. Your personal experience is irrelevant given the sample size. It cannot infer anything.
“Some pulls a stop sign out of the sidewalk and it still has the concrete ball at the bottom of it and some one smashed an SUV with it...” So was the hulk a student at this school or...?
@JediFlavored Soap But, he said, "concrete," ball, not, "dirt," ball; That's like swinging around A Squat Bar with weight plates only on one side of the Bar;
Couple months ago he called Stefan Molyneux a closeted racist because he spent too much time on IQ and race. Now he gets the same treatment from the "left" now all of the sudden he says we should be able to have these discussions without be called racist. Hopefully he learns that its very easy to point the finger and not easy to handle it when its pointed at you.
crazycashlarry he was talking about Molyneux’s obsession with IQ. Let’s be honest, how many shows has he done on the subject? As for being a racist, well, he once said with a very angry tone “It’s difficult to blend when you don’t look the same!” That kinda sums it up for me!
The issue with IQ is that it’s heritable but it also lies on a continuum instead of being something discrete like the presence of a widow’s peak vs. no widow’s peak. It also can vary significantly depending on environment. Think of it like this. Your genes dictate the range or potential of your IQ and your environmental conditions set in place where you lie in that range. It’s difficult to control for environment completely and given that IQ differences aren’t particularly huge between races it’s hard to say what is due to heritability and what’s due to environment. Frankly I feel it’s a waste of time even bothering (given that the scientific community has much bigger problems to solve) but oh well. I’m Asian btw so it’s not like I’m offended by the results. This is just my honest opinion
Yep, environment, upbringing and culture matter more than inherited/innate IQ. Look at how many kids of renowned mathematicians/physicists/engineers amount to nothing.
Javier - ....not according to decades of twin studies and, more recently, digital biology. 40-80% is the range cited by any credible cognitive science scholars with expertise in intelligence research.
I wish people who gave their opinions on this topic had actually read that IQ study without any bias. The study hasn't ever been disproved, they might attack Murray but the actual study has never been disproved as no one wants to want another study as they know the results will be the same. If Murray's results weren't true or even exaggerated you know people would instantly redo the study to prove him wrong, but of course they haven't nor will they ever as it's evident...
that's totally right. IQ tries to determine G general intelligence of a person, and people do differ on that. Charles spearman developed it. Others challenged the notion that the basis of this is biological, but the studies were repeated many times and the results always came the same.
@@egaluel don't you think I've already at least skimmed those academic criticisms? Apart from targeting the methods of the study, like how they tested certain control groups, they don't have any solid criticism of the actual racial IQ differences. I'm pretty sure everyone believes the IQ scores from every race is different. Some might claim IQ isn't the best metric for determining intelligence, but it's been scientifically (in numerous ways ) proven that it's the best measure we have, the predicting factor (of iq scores/levels) is further proof. You can literally see the predicting factor at play in your personal life when you start seeing who's successful, who's run into problems in life, and overall those who have been neutral/stable. Ages when this is super apparent are the ages 18-35..
The stupidity of Facebook and Twitter, to me, are some of the biggest problems for humans today That is why I do not have a Facebook or Twitter account I’d rather spend time with my family and friends especially my children
Yes it seems to be full of freaks and weirdos who will eventually commit suicide, I have never used that garbage, who cares what some random freak thinks?
The dangers of discovering new research/potential for research between differences in group is that at some point unintentionally it will become a matter of who's better or worse within a group of people based on research,that of which is manipulated into "we're x group so y group is lesser" which happened in the history many times (the 30's-40's are the best documented case of such a thing of occuring). Another danger is WHO is conducting the research because they themselves can abuse or accidentally incriminate themselves into being a target/targeted individual for the rught or wrong reasons (such as the main guest)
It is truly amazing how many people take IQ seriously. You have a vast array of mental attributes, logical, mathematical, linguistic, spatial awareness, visualisation, kinesthetics, creativity, problem solving, lateral thinking and intuitive responses, to name a few. All of these manifest to differing degrees in each of us and all are affected by our environment, our education, our peers and even the balance of our other mental attributes. And then we come along and say that this huge, mutable, ever-changing array of complex interacting attributes can be summed up by a single number.
You clearly should read more on the factor g. It is maybe THE best established predictor for life success etc. If you throw IQ out of the window you would have to do the same with everything else which would render psychology completely meaningless. I really think you should read more about IQ and the science behind it.
I agree there is a correlation between race and IQ. I suspect that culture has something to do with it. I’m black, rational and come from the bottom to the top. I agree. I understand people are sensitive but I cannot disagree. There’s no one coat fits all but to a large degree it’s true.
It’s not true at all people need to stop looking at things black or white. Everything is grey there is a balance to existence. Many people of color have been brilliant but thought of as helpers in the past. Just like having a bigger brain does not make you smart. We see more Caucasians as intellectuals because they have been in power for a long time. I don’t care about identity politics by the way. I just thing of it objectively.
@@josenavarro8320 and why have whites been in power longer?..... haven't answered that one objectively have ya Jose? Hint hint.....cause their smarter,better prepared,well provisioned, etc.
@@josenavarro8320 I'd love to agree, but I'd be more in tap with how I feel other than objective reality. An intellect would observe why you're in the situation then work together to get out. We don't work together! Jewish, and early Asians have also had it hard why don't I hear any excuses? It's just the way it is don't be upset. Any intellectual can see this. I can't speak for your race I can say our culture is a huge negative in the African American community. How come we don't realize this after decades? We can pinpoint anytime in the history and try to sympathize with emotion. If intellect wasn't low then why am I way more likely to be killed by another black based on the numbers but we keep pointing our attention to cops? I've never even seen a white supremacist yet they keep bringing it up every election. Someone has to say it but we don't even confront the issue in our own community because like you they believe in putting feelings before rationality. I can't change your mind but one thing you can't deny is my upbringing from the Southside of Chicago to where I am today. So I saw it first hand. Every single person I know who has died has died from another black person. So until you can know what it feels like to grow up in that environment while black I'd appreciate it if you kept your "feelings" to yourself. The intellect as a collective is low that's just facts. Reading books doesn't have to tell you that killing is wrong. Especially someone who looks like you... We're only 13% of the population with about half the murders. This is facts, doesn't matter how you feel. They follow to be liked without even looking at the snowball effect. To the other races reading this there are geniuses in the community but not as many as I'd hope. An intellect walks away from the culture if it doesn't align with rationality. Yes I'm black and yes I said this facts don't care about your feelings snowflakes!
@@Mebble lmao no dipshit, being better prepared is not hereditary. But guess what smart people think ahead........hence being better prepared etc. I think it's funny how white supremacist gets thrown in the mix. This is just statistically facts🤦 But I understand.... anything you don't like is.....uh uh muh rACisM
I think the problem people have when bringing up the genetic benefits of iq or athleism in certain ethic groups is that some people take that as those born with these advantages didn't work hard to hone them
regardless - statistics don't lie. just look at countries in general with a largely mono racial demographics and see for yourself who's consistently corrupted, always last in everything and poor.
@ That could be the case. Lots of Americans don't know that Hawaii is both the name of the State, and the name of an Island in the state - we usually just call it "The Big Island" to avoid confusion.
omg guys, fucking prepositions. you're not on the bus, you're in the bus, you're not in the shower, you're under the shower ...this is simply the process of grammaticalisation. prescriptive linguistics is a dead horse. quit flogging it.
When he refers to not having a vacation for a long time, he’s saying he said he hasn’t had a vacation with his family for a long time, probably meaning he hasn’t taken time off from work to spend a substantial about of time with his family in over a year.
"IQ is largely heritable." Fine.
"Race is largely heritable." Fine.
"I wonder if there's a link between IQ and race since they're both heritable." REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I used "largely heritable" because of race-mixing.
Correlation not causation.
hbe421, Unless there is evidence that is reliable/Valid
Mariokartel....Is racisim heritable?
pentz1 Racisim is a learned behaviour/philosophy
"first vacation in at least a year" Majid: "Wow"
Dude my last vacation was 2009
Europeans have a vacation every other day compared to Americans.
Americans almost seem proud about how little leisure time they take. You only live once, you know!
brwhizz 30 Americans have a very boneheaded view on things like that. It’s the land of the free and we don’t fight for a month of vacation time per year. There’s 12 months in the year, it’s crazy that most Americans spend 11 1/2 months working. That’s more than 90% of the year spent working 40-60 hours a week lmao.
@@blindsurgeonc lol Im from the UK
@@joejjj4378 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country workers in UK are entitled to a minimum of 28 days a year of paid leave, which I would definitely take advantage of.
"I have 6-7k tweets so... I wasn't tweeting that much. " Ah, what a time to be alive.
It really isnt all that much. Its not insignificant but its easily doable. Would only require a few mins every day.
Lets say he tweeted 7k times in 8 years... That is an average of 2.4 tweets a day.
If he was having a debate/discussion with someone at 140 chars per tweet (Or 280), and Sam can be quite verbose, I am guessing he might have fired a few dozen of them per conversation.
Anpeo I don’t understand people’s fascination with twitter. So you can stay up to date with what celebrities are doing 24/7... what a waste of time.
As a celebrity I totally get it.
Glad to know I’m not the only estranged by that.
It’s sad really. If you use Twitter or Facebook you need to rethink your life.
Ryan Tandy ya I get it for companies and celebs and anyone/thing that has a large following.
But just for your average joe seems pointless
I love how they've successfully avoided the word "black" in this entire video.
They took it too far when they described Sam's shirt as charcoal
@@abuibu 😆😆😆
Are you referring to the attack on Charles Murray because those were white people
@@kevinanderson63 No they're not. Just generally speaking, there's really not that much to this comment, so no need to over-analyse.
@@eduar2971 u mean melanesians? They're genetically very different from africans. Hell, even Europeans surprisingly have more DNA in common with Africans than melanesians do
So good to see Ben Stiller on the show again!
you just made my morning :D
Tackling all the real issues!
Literally LOLed
Are you saying all Jews are Ben Stiller's lookalikes?
I would say it's only about 20%.
Why must everybody compare Harris to Stiller? They don’t look that alike. Listen to what he has to say, he’s extremely intelligent.
No such thing as making a "long story short" with Sam Harris.
Why does everyone say “Long story short”, Stan?
...It’s never short!
He's definitely a "long story long" kind of dude but I love the nuance and detail involved in every one of his stories and explanations
he has to walk on the tips of hid toes to try and avoid all those landmines around him. massive props to him to at least talking about this scientifiic subject that has been ignored and supressed for so long. there’s no easy or short way to having this conversation.
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haha I know. Sam is the very definition of long-winded, but I'd be lying if I said he wasn't thoroughly intriguing.
''Havent been on vacation with the family for a really long time, must have been a year'' LOL
**gasp**
"Wow".
Like they really agreed that was a long time lol
And I’m sitting here like “FU”
I haven’t had a vacation for over 10 years 🤣
Dale Robinson we’re slaves to the capitalistic system
Haven't been on a vacation with my family for 4 years lol. Man, sucks not having friends too.
@@davidornelas3326 nope you're just an idiot who can't save money
Sam Harris looks like Ben Stiller’s slightly more jewish brother
A one legged man so he is Jewish. A lot of Jewish of ppl are non practicing but still Jewish. “Not really Jewish” yet you state he is a quarter Jewish based on ur estimations. Not really Jewish literally doesn’t make sense bro. Don’t have to be religious to be considered Jewish
mikael feathers yes you do Judaism is a religion not a race
Abigail Slade not anymore my friend. You can be of Jewish descent and not be a practicing Jew, yet you are still Jewish. Jews are people not just a religion. This is clear
@@analogeit he's 45% ashkenazi jew. He revealed his dna results.
Nah, Bradley Cooper
I always find it funny that when it comes to other things (such as athleticism), it's ok to talk about racial differences, but when it comes to IQ, people have a meltdown. If you can't even acknowledge that differences exist, you can't take steps to diminish the gap.
Bryant E probably because there's a lot of history and culture on creating a lot of suffering and cruelty that was justified based on difference in intelligence but nothing like that justified on athletic differences
havenotchosenyet well said, man.
have you read guns, germs, and steel?
mnemonic Max damn son, someone has an inferiority complex
@@jessicavarona8099 facts are facts...
Joe "there's a lot of factors" Rogan
Joe "I'm gonna play it safe" Rogan.
If he didn’t play it safe his show would be banned.
Thank goodness he’s smarter than the rest of us.
Josh I look like a post op trans BarbieMeyers 😂😂
But fear is not
The thing is, there are a lot of factors. You should be skeptical of anyone who acts like they have it all figured out.
"The average of a population is meaningless with respect to you"
That's a very important statement, yes
I say this to everyone who brings up any average, esp. this topic.
If you want a higher IQ society why don't we just give everyone an IQ test then deport those who have a below average IQ. Why bring race and ethnicity into it and discriminate based on group and not on an individual level?
@Daniel G Again instead of helping people based on race because they belong to low IQ group, wouldn't it be more fair to help people with low IQ to try to raise it? You might be low IQ and belong to high IQ group or vice versa. Again why bring race into this issue and let white supremacist push thier narrative?
There is absolutely no logic behind it, you cant even say that we dont have the resources to take everyone's IQ because to evaluate the average IQ of a population you would still need to get everyone's IQ. Not to mention they're not really expensive.
Exactly, I don't get what the fuss is about if group A has 5% more IQ than group B. You can still be from group B and smarter than 99.99% of group A.
@jack Maher That still won't apply to you individually. I guess it would apply if you want to consider going down the path of Hitler, though, with the whole eugenics thing. Otherwise, the data would just serve as a metric to determine whether we're all still advancing as a group/species/country or community
It’s 12%. And your point still stands. But there are more people at the bottom in group B and no amount of government program can change that besides and incredibly unjust one. But your point is true and is the most important
@@BeattapeFactory You are forgetting that IQ was almost that much lower for caucasians ~150 years ago. We don't understand all the relevant factors, but IQ does go up as a population becomes more well off. Most likely, very little of the observed differences can be attributed to racial genetics. Agree with your last point though, and that of Sam's in the video. We need societies that work for everybody on the spectrum.
That's statistically impossible,stop focusing on the exception.
Exactly.
If I learned that the average penis size of white men was larger, that would make me sad, not happy. Because I care about my own size not that of sone group I belong to.
says he's had 6-7k tweets. then goes onto say he's never tweeted much. Then goes onto say he hasnt been in vacation in "a very long time, at least a year."
Are these people living in the same realm of reality as the rest of us?
E G lmao thats 4 tweets a day for 5 years straight. Thats alot of tweeting. 😂😂
Yes and retweets count
discodench I was thinking the same shit hahaha
@E G you're confusing vacation with a holiday or a week off. A vacation in this instance is when you go some other place than home for some time
@E G He didn't say "time off" he said "vacation". They are not the same. Where I am from a once-a-year vacation is the norm.
Sam:”It was the first vacation I took in a year”
Joe: “...wow”
That wasn't Joe
That was the other guy
I make decent money and have a flexible schedule and I've only spent a 3-day weekend 2 hours drive away in the last 5 years. Vacations are a waste of money and not worth the hassle to me. Our society seems to view vacations as the ultimate highlight of life. Like the entire point of our existence in the universe is so we can take selfies at a tropical beach.
@@ienjoyapples you are so enlightened, most people need to get away from their routine once in a while. Everything is a waste of money except food and shelter, but we're not animals we need more than that so we spend our money on things we enjoy, for some people it's traveling and for you it's something else
@@radhiadeedou8286People go on expensive vacations, then complain that they can't afford health insurance or to pay off their student loans. They want me to pay for those things with my tax dollars while they take selfies at the beach. If you have fuck it money, go ahead and take a vacation. Most people don't have fuck it money, but people feel they "need" a vacation, as though they'll just breakdown and implode if they don't spend 2 weeks a year somewhere exotic.
2:51 is when Sam starts talking about the topic.
Iversonwings thanks!
Yeah, thanks man.
Iversonwings you’re a true hero.
You are our Lord and savior
Thank you. These guys bullshit too much.
I've never seen such a large elephant in such a small room.
Name it. Some of us are elephant blind.
That's perfectly put
@@ハェフィシェフ What does it mean?
@@trollop_7 I might have read it differently than as intended, but I read it as, they were in general tip toeing and being really careful about what they were saying.
@@ハェフィシェフ Sure, but in which case, what are they tip-toeing around? Name that elephant.
Nawaz: “Can I say”
Clip ends lol
TH-cam channel editor:
"No you can't Maajid"
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Yeah, I thought my phone died.
I'm black, with an IQ of 90. I got my degree in electrical engineering and am making 78K a year working on microprocessors. My son is black with an IQ of 102, bright kid. I push him hard on his books, put him in the chess club, put him into AP Calc. Sam is right. The average of a population says nothing about you as an individual. You don't speak for other people who are the same ethnicity as you, you only speak for yourself. Get out there and make the world a better place however you can. Don't let a number define you.
Should probably ask for a raise lol
I doubt your IQ is as low as 90…that marks you out as well below average and suggests that working on microprocessors would be beyond you….take another test dude!
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Not one comment below about the actual topic under discussion. That in itself is very Interesting...
Including this one lmaooo
Well, you're on youtube. People who are intellectual enough to discuss these ideas generally avoid doing so in this platform because they're likely to be ignored. Funny comments are usually upvoted to the top and discussions in the bottom. Same thing happens on reddit..but to a slightly lesser extent
Who do you think waste their time you-tubing this topics rather than reading a book? Us....
Great point actually
Isn't it just peaceful and fun tho!
Self-discipline when combined with normal IQ is more than enough for most people to be successful
100%.
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
Self-discipline also known as conscientiousness is a biological trait, it's not a choice.
@@sebastianguerre6868 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
STOP WATCHING TH-cam VIDEOS AND READ A LITTLE
@@bishopheahmund2664 Oh dear. You're one of those people that uses feelings to form opinions aren't you.
Sam Harris torpedoed vacation turned into a movie. Ben Stiller as San Harris omg block buster hit
hahaha that's brilliant. Ben Stiller is the 'White Supremacist'.
I laughed out loud at this. Fantastic idea
mylesofpizza amazing
mylesofpizza I’d watch that, love Ben Stiller, TROPIC THUNDER!!!!
Is your pizza name and profile pic symbolic?
It’s funny how everyone’s vocabulary seems to be massively better on videos like this lol
Folk with an interest in these topics are generally more educated.
@@volitionant9682 No, folks with an interest in this topic are trying to look smart. Are you dumber than me? Yes, I think so. Sorry. I do feel like the illuminati when I see these comment sections, despite my lack of real physical wealth.
Higher IQ’s.
@@volitionant9682 sam always talks like this, the guy's a legit genius.
Gold comment, brilliant.
Joe should do an episode with Charles Murray.
That’d be a good one
But joe’s not smart enough to push back on any topics he’s not already familiar with so he’ll just agree with everything Murray says ... maybe have Bret Weinstein on with him or even Peterson
Just_Bri two weinsteins. Full hive mind must be present.
Greg Marat charles murray is a hack
Just_Bri peterson and murray would disagree on what? At least regarding Islam.
When joe Rogan said wow - because sam Harris said he hasn't taken his family on a vacation in about a year - I just thought about how I've never been on a vacation lol
It was actually the other guest
What are you doing with your life, man?
A year is a long time between holidays when you're rich!
why?
@@yuzan3607 grew up poor. Ig I just subconsciously internalized that I was never be able to afford vacations or time off, so it never crossed my mind as a real possibility. However, since that comment, I've taken 3 business trips to Ohio which were kind of like vacations.
I find accepting concerning facts regarding my gender or race to be liberating. As long as they're just presented as facts, without demeaning commentary. The first step in fixing a problem is acknowledging it exists.
Whoknowsuknow Very hard to segregate the two.
It's the different between news and opinion, objective and subjective. They are two very distinct categories in my opinion.
All one has to do is present the facts as they are and interject no biased interpretation of said facts because usually those interpretations are wrong
Honestly as a black person I certainly didn't feel liberated in regards to this subject.
Whoknowsuknow What I mean is that you present people with facts, and they are gonna have opinions. On the otherhand you could say that facts are in and of themselves pointless if it generates no opinions.
Sam "a year is a long time with no vacation" Harris
Not a lot of things bum me out, but the comment section on Joe's vids always does the trick.
yeahh, don't even know where to start with it. rogan obviously attracts a lot of right wingers, bigots, racists and morons. sad times. doesn't help that he worships charlatans like Peterson and this Harris tool
I like how Joe talks to ANYBODY. Even pricks like Sam Harris and hilarious/sad whackos like Alex Jones
neoslasher09 don't read it then. Problem solved.
+ Sam Jones How is Peterson a charlatan?
Thomas Buchovecky jordan peterson reasoning sound, yours not so much.
"let me just take a couple of minutes to close the various doors to hell that are now ajar based on what we've just said" - Harris, very eloquently put lmao
one of my favorite Sam Harris quotes
Classic remark.
Harris is awesome!
@@handsofstone1887 He's one of the smartest dupes alive!
"The average of a population is meaningless with respect to you." Perfectly said.
That is a little misleading....the concept of the regression to mean is definitely part of the IQ discussion.
I'd like to know what percentage of American blacks crack an IQ of 100. What percentage cracks 120?
@@dukedematteo1995 If you don't know how to make that calculation, how can you even have this discussion?. Do you really don't know how to use a Gaussian curve?.
@ I'm not smart enough for any of this
@ yeah bruh I don't do dat. I like history
It may be meaningless to your specific individual IQ but not to the type of society you live in. Take Haiti or Honduras or Detroit for example vs Singapore and Norway.
It’s always wise to remember, that as intelligent or skilled you think you are, there is always someone out there that is more intelligent or skilled than you. That is humbling thought.
Unfortunately, the same can't be said about stupidity.
@@Ryo-xx1lm how?
@@snowdolphvov4193 thinking that there is someone out there more stupid than you, is not a humbling thought..
9:33 "....I see what's coming. The more we understand ourselves, genetically and environmentally, if we go looking and even if we're not looking, we WILL discover differences between groups. And the endgame for us as a species is not to deny that those differences exist OR could possibly exist, BUT to deny that they have real political implications."
AMEN
Except that they do have real political implications whether we like it or not. You will never build a country on the level of say Switzerland with the gene pool found in Somalia. We may wish that all men are created equal but nature has clearly not made it so, perhaps for good reason.
@@dutch1999 wrong
Political implications are real. With genetic sperm/egg cell selection or CRISPR, it will be interesting how everything unfolds. No need to change skin color I'm sure.
Calls for an ethnostate are overblown, but some political measures would be useful to reduce the IQ disparity between different groups. This would reduce "statistical racism" and allow the left to focus on more constructive pursuits once differences in income and incarceration rates became less pronounced.
And you don't need to do much to reduce differences; IQ variation is mostly hereditary in nature, so all you need to do is to incentivize high-IQ individuals of minorities to produce more children.
It's really simple. As a Puerto Rican from New York with a mom who was a teenage mom and a sister who is a teenage mom, it has to do with culture and what is and isn't acceptable in different cultures. The fact of the matter is that in Hispanic American and black American culture, there are a lot of bad bad habits that exist. One of those being people thinking that it's okay to start having children very young and not prioritize things like school. It's not because we're dumb or we can't go to school or we don't have money. It has to do with culturally accepted norms in our communities. If enough of your friends are having kids before they even graduate high school you're going to think that it's okay too. If your parents don't have more than a high school education you're not going to really see the need to go to college. That being said I think college is becoming more and more obsolete and most degrees don't even pay well. But the bottom line is that it is cultural differences that are the reasons for many communities successes or failures. You're not going to see pregnant 15 year old Chinese girls in NYC. Even if their parents came from nothing and they're living in the ghetto. And you better bet that that kid is going to do well in school even if she's going to the same crappy school that a bunch of black and Latino kids are going to. It is CULTURE. And the more people ignore this and choose not to talk about it the more bad things will continue to happen in Black and Hispanic neighborhoods. I've always said that you could build a brand new shiny beautiful School in the ghetto but if the kids who go there do not appreciate it and value it it's not going to make a difference. And this is for all the "progressives" who think everything is about racism. It's not. Culture and socially acceptable behavior in communities plays the biggest role in how people's lives will turn out.
If black celebrities like LeBron James spent half their time talking about how young black men need to stay off the streets and finish school, that would make a hell of a bigger difference than him constantly whining about racism. I've had several family members involved in gang violence. My mom's uncle was found dead in the park. I've also had family members die from drug-related AIDS etc. The problems that exist in our communities can be solved with a cold hard look at our own behavior and how we are raising our children.
IQ determines culture my guy. Save the speech lol
dude, youre weird asf. you typed all that, about a subject that really isnt that deep. talk about being sensitive to race. on top of that, youre a rican, typing about blacks and browns, lol
@@jameseldridge3445 Some of the richest cultures are born in africa buddy.
@@jameseldridge3445 Black culture created white culture as well.
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"please let me closes the various doors of hell we just opened" LOL
Mark the time.
"Grandfather was working on the railroads in California as an indentured servant and all that privilege trickled down" -Sam Harris. Classic! So funny and so deep to think about....
Yup being a white man in America was so hard. So many trials and tribulations and oppression.
@@trippytv1482 are you being sarcastic?
@@trippytv1482 lmao he said working
@@trippytv1482 He was talking about the Chinese. Plus Harris is Jewish.
That is SAM HARRIS for you
I feel like alot of words were spoken, but nothing was really said
As usual with Sam but not always
He should be a politician
We get it... you guys heard the "vacation" line just like everyone else who watched the video did.
Shawn I didn’t hear it.
Yeah, I try to not pay attention to Harris on the theory that he never says anything interesting.
@@jameseames4754 That's an interesting theory.
@@jameseames4754 yet you search out his videos.
Seek help.
@@Than_McDowell English isn't your strong suit.
Thanks for reminding me to buy Charles Murray’s book.
It is great. Race and IQ is real thing. Why not examine it? Why not to help? Universities have found ways to get rid of tenured professors for addressing this topic. The deem it unethical. Philip Ruston, a Canadian professor wrote about it even more than Murray and he was essentially labelled as the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. Ruston didn't try to sugar coat anything. Regardless if you like his approach, you cannot say anything about his data. He did extensive research in South Africa, where he could evaluate a 'mixed population' and everything checked out as predicted.
...For years, it was driven me crazy that Asian students needed higher marks to get into schools. At the same schools, black students get in with much lower marks than whites. It is absolutely ridiculous. When the merit of ones' work means nothing, our society is truly messed up.
Gala Groisman Don't forget Mein Kampf too.
Officer Down Boxing I didn’t get your point...
Pr3ssPl4y Are you talking about Richard Lynn? The term "Flynn effect" is now standard in the psychological literature to refer to secular increases in IQ. Lynn has also argued that the high fertility rate among individuals of low IQ constitutes a major threat to Western civilization, as he believes people with low IQ scores will eventually outnumber high-IQ individuals. You think this racist?
+Michael R
That's hilarious, you used rushton and data in the same sentence! Don't you find it a bit weird how the guy who was funded entirely by a eugenicist is the only one to consistently find differences between racial groupings?
"..the first vacation I've taken with my family in a very long time. At least a year."
"Wow!"
Thats what got me! Lol
Wow you don't go to Hawaii at least twice a year? Peasant
All the commenters that are fixated on Sam not having a vacation for a year, need to take a vacation.
@Silver Lady but i don't understand... Are people in the comments complaining because in the USA you don't have many days off? Or do they mean "vacation" as in going to a foreign country?
@@yasminegomez5862 Vacation here just means getting out of town. Americans don’t get that many vacation days compared to other first world countries
I can't help but think Sam is being slightly disingenuous when he says that he is not at all interested in racial differences in IQ. It's a topic that he touches on quite a bit.
no he doesnt. lol
He claims the intial conversation with Murray was more about Sam showing solidarity with him, and being against cancel culture...
...and the subsequent convos is Sam defending himself so he has to touch the subject
Ive been a fan of Sams for a decade....he never touched the subject until the Murray podcast in 2017.
@@dupersdelite sure minus the whole openly advocating for the white ethno state thing.
Facts he’s constantly talking about religion and race.
@Based Log You dont have a "people"
Twin studies would be very helpful for this, though there are ethical issues that make them rather unlikely. Hypothetically though, if you compared the IQ differences of twins raised in the same environment vs the IQ differences between twins with one raised in a slum and the other raised in privilege, you could get a pretty good estimate for the degree to which genetics contribute to IQ.
Nera Gato TONS of twin studies have been conducted with both MZ and DZ twins, and the results have been consistent. Heritability of IQ has been shown to be between 40-80%, and this range is not considered controversial at all in the scientific community.
@@nondescriptnyc exactly. The number is put between 60-80%. So essentially, as much as 80% of what determines someone's IQ can be attributed to their genetics. Meaning any differences in the mean average IQ among the races are almost certainly a result of each groups respective genes.
@@WillyOrca the funny part is when people say that they think that it's possible to raise someone's iq but in reality it just means that if those twins were supposed to have let's say a 120 iq. it could drop lower because of a bad environment
@@WillyOrca I don't think you can draw that conclusion. 80% of individual variation in IQ within whites (and also within blacks?) may be attributable to genetic variation but the black-white difference itself could still be due to the same environmental factors accounting for 20% of within group variation if those differed sufficiently between groups. It is also possible that there exist specific environmental factors that contribute to differences between groups but not to individual differences within groups so that they are not captured by twin studies. The obvious candidates for such a factor in America would have to be either "racism" or "black culture" depending on which ideological camp you adhere to I think
@@revachoa7165 Yeah except we have adoption studies too and the evidence is overwhelmingly supportive of the idea that genetics are the predominate determinative for IQ.
Imagine being violently attacked for scientifically proven facts...... yup, that’s where we are.
Nope. Only true if you blatantly ignore the destruction of prospering communities that are deemed intellectually inferior that was fully backed and supported by the US government’s control propaganda.
@@KPITGangsta and look at your screen name.....you seem proud or have some sort of respect for "gangstas". Gangsters are weak minded fools who destroy their own communities.
@@Chris-bs4qy you're fucking stupid
The Leatherface what is scientifically proven? Im curious do you unironically believed that there is an actual link between race and IQ beside fucking weird correlation? That doesn’t take into account environmental factor? I wonder if any one of you dumb fuck that believe Sam Harris idea actually read actual data that he cited because majority of these studies are super fucking flawed and no honest academic would take these shit seriously .
@GonzotheGonz1 so no one every rapped and pilliged Somalia? Yea u right
The concerning thing to me is, Imagine the statistics were reversed. It would be celebrated..
Yes this is terrible 😔
IDK about celebrated but it certainly wouldn't be near as taboo
@@ws8061 Really? We just had a major story of a black girl winning her state spelling bee. Why? Because it just doesn't happen so we have to make a big deal out of it, with the Indian kids in the corner wondering why they're minority isn't celebrated for winning all the time.
It’s almost like it never was meant to measure intelligence except in a very narrow western way.
@@zachkh Hmm, that's an astute assumption, except that South East Asians have the highest IQ. Weird that people from the East have a higher IQ than those from the West and it's meant to give an advantage to Westerners. As you should tell, I'm being sarcastic in blowing up your theory.
IQ is a good measure under some circumstances but we know all sorts of external things affect it. Experiments show that test performance is tied strongly to reported stress, for example.
In my experience being honest and having an opinion, automatically puts you in a line of fire
Probably says something about you more than others
@@001yael Saying anything of importance is automatically going to put you in the line of fire. It doesn't say anything about him, it's just the way it is.
@@klash3532 It actually does. This idea of "I'm just beign honest" is a line constantly touted by racists
@@yeetboiboid751 No, it doesn't. By saying literally anything you risk being offensive. You can't have a serious conversation in front of an audience and not risk being offensive because people have different opinions, and that's okay, but it is impossible to not risk offending anyone when speaking.
No. Having an opinion that's upsetting and challenges the dominant worldview in society, puts you in the line of fire, and understandably so.
First and foremost education should start at home! Then when you send your child to a public or private schools, you should be engaged with the teachers teaching your children.
Right. In between their multiple yearly vacations.
YES PLEASE
Obviously. But the most unfit parents (generally the least intelligent), don't do those things.
It's difficult for uneducated parents
Sam Harris should read for audiobooks. Great voice
He reads at least some of his own books. I highly recommend them.
He sounds dead inside.
Jordan Fisher not really. Great voice.
He has a good voice for sure, but he's got dull and condescending vibes, with notes of whininess as well. Though he is very intelligent and logical. IMO
Steven Pinker sounds great also.
It is now impossible to tell the truth about race and crime or race and IQ without being censored or physically attacked, whats up with that?
Very thin line that can cause serious discrimination. Hate groups would openly use it to degrade ones humanity
I'm fully for discussion of these topics so long as theyre conducted by people who take it seriously and act in good faith as so many online weirdos with sinister motives and intentions refuse to do.
Because it has nothing to do with race and more to do with economics and opertunity
IQ should definitely be mentioned in discussions regarding university admission rates, incarceration rates, differences in average income and so on, since it explains all disparities attributed to "systemic racism" by some people on the Left.
@@VVayVVard seems a rather bold claim that IQ alone would explain the disparities in those areas you mentioned, furthermore that our current understanding of IQ is comprehensive enough to make objective judgements on the matter.
Also keep in mind this is a western study. The Asians they polled aren’t Chinese rice farmers. They’re much more likely the lawyers and businesspeople who made it to Europe and America. Not because they’re trying to mislead probably but just because actually getting a representative sample of “everyone” is real flipping hard.
@Bob Bob imagine thinking that those left out due to economic reasons are just “the weak” being filtered
@@mar4612 It's good to note that IQ and wealth are strongly correlated, so we can assume that the ones left out would have scored lower than the ones that were included, on average.
There are some very smart Chinese rice farmers, seriously.
@@mar4612 they didn’t call them weak, just acknowledged that doctors and lawyers and others who immigrate to rich nations have a higher than average IQ. This is obviously and observably true
Well take a look at China/South Korea/ Japan, Taiwan, Singapore... basically any country with lots of East asians in it becomes developed and is advanced... so dont give me that garbage that only smart asians come to the west...
Notice all the channels talking about this like Stefan Molyneux and Alternative Hypothesis have been banned from TH-cam. Scary times we live in.
not really the white nationalist stuff has worn thin
Big tech is afraid of losing control of their egalitarianism and radical environmentalist meta narrative
IQ has no political implications? Hmm🤔
Most of everything has political implications because people now adays like it like that
"We have to engineer tides that raise all the boats."
I like that.
@r9000333m No dude, this is about equality of opportunity... not equality of outcome.
SkyBlue but don’t you have equality of opportunity only if people start at the same place? Terrible schools, endemic poverty, etc.
@@lowroad4257 Yeah. Equality of opportunity will probably never be possible but its definitely something we should strive for. Schools and poverty are a great place to start.
SkyBlue we are on the same page.
Should we? So many social systems backfire. The more money we pump in to these services are probably best left to themselves.
I set up a Twitter when it started and never went back. I think it's toxic. I've been following Sam Harris for over a decade and he's never looked like such a badass.
This is so beautiful to see Sam having a great conversation with these incredible guys.
I'm an a sub Saharan African American, and I wonder if these awesome guys can help me determine my potential.
I wonder if anyone agrees that black Africa made a mistake to accept the Christian religion. This, I believe, is a major detriment to black peoples. Any reasonable person can see that Africa is clearly ill-served by worshipping and following foreign religious concept.
Good for the guys saying their peace man.
if you listen to bret weinstein and joe rogan talk about the difference between a religion and a cult, they do a good job of explaining how religious thinking evolved and how it's not just people being stupid and superstitious. societies with a story like guideline to moral behavior tend to outcompete ones which don't. it's a big problem for the west because we don't have a guiding narrative and we are starting to get crazy and worship money or sjw type stuff as a result.
but your potential is yours. don't define yourself by your group average, your potential is unique to you man.
@Akindele Bankole
Personally, I think that anyone accepting any religion today is a bad idea but I also agree with Not Loki's observation that, historically, the "guiding narrative" of Judeo-Christian ethics was a big part of how the west became the most powerful and civilised culture on earth. Regarding "black Africa", I'd say they made a bigger mistake in "accepting" Islam.
Then again, there wasn't much choice involved. As with most of the countries which Mohammed's armies 'converted', it was either 'convert' or die.
Maybe African natives should have stuck to worship of pagan idols and voodoo. That would have propelled their welfare in the world
I would like to make a point about how christianity was taught in S.S.Africa. When missionaries were spreading it inland from the coasts they stressed mostly on the beatitudes that mostly were about accepting suffering for a great reward in the afterlife. This specific approach primed those africans for colonial subjugation and non-resistance to it
@@kevyriverside8082 judeo religion is a bad thing for all peoples of the world
Black self esteem is less important than the destroyed livelihoods of innocent scientists that dared to publish or speak about this, including the discoverer of the double helix DNA structure; James Watson (Still living and oppressed/censored).
There is nothing "innocent" about Watson, nor he is oppressed or censored. He is simply an old, sexist, racist cook who makes comments without substantiating them.
Amen!
I can absolutely understand why people don’t want these discussions to take place. These facts are some of the most uncomfortable buts of objective truth that we could possibly discover about the reality in which we all exist. It just feels wrong. But this is a painful aspect of being the conscious, self-examining products of this neutral universe: there are things that we could and will discover about ourselves and our broader reality that are really, deeply unpleasant. And I understand why people might be concerned about the social and cultural consequences of the widespread knowledge and understanding of these facts. Those are, in my opinion, completely legitimate fears. That being said, it’s not gonna do to start trying to insist that uncomfortable facts be ignored and rejected, and it is most certainly not acceptable to try to punish those who discover these uncomfortable facts or discuss them. That is a disturbing, totalitarian method of engaging with the truth that just can’t be supported or allowed to continue. I do think it’s probably important to recognize and validate the fears of those who might be tempted to suppress discussion of subjects like this though. To pretend like they’re at all unreasonable seems foolish to me. If I was a black man listening to talks on this subject, I would probably be a little worried and feel a little bit threatened, my own iq aside. This data has got to be any real racist’s dream- it seems to confirm some aspects of some really significant, ugly stereotypes that have had a long run as justifications for real racism. Oh well, science, much like the universe, simply can’t be fucked to care about our feelings about any of it.
Pr3ssPl4y he doesn’t care
This is such a slippery slope
the race iq debate has constantly been debunked tho.
@@thevictor5116 prove it
@@immanuelcunt7296 do you have discord
When Sam says it’s been a very long time since his last vacation... at least a year!
Binet (the inventor of the test) stressed the limitations of the test, suggesting that intelligence is far too broad a concept to quantify with a single number. Instead, he insisted that intelligence is influenced by a number of factors, that it changes over time, and that it can only be compared to children with similar backgrounds.
IQ tests gauge symbolic logic only. Intelligence is far too multifaceted - there are too many variables. Your environment plays the most important part. Example, “Some” Asians for example go to school, AFTER regular school is complete for hours, then once home, it is back to studying. There are upsides to this kind of lifestyle; one of those being the ability to breeze through IQ test - a downside could be social awkwardness etc.
Thank you Carl, its always nice to see reasoning in these comments sections where your averedge joe suddenly reveals their sympathy with black and white racism.
Timothy Clarke you refute the words of the creator of the IQ test? I mean, I kinda quoted him verbatim. Seems like you need to “feel good” about your BS. This argument only fuels the insecurity of racists. I understand that due to your biases and whatever else it is that is removing any logical reasoning from your argument, that it will be impossible to change your mind - but those are the words of the creator of the test. 🤷🏼♂️
@@Epicfail911 You use anecdotal evidence and claim that you're in favor of using logic? Use logic and explain how your claims, even if they're true, make the IQ scores irrelevant. Do they measure nothing of merit? Use that same logic and explain why the IQ scores between races are directly mirrored in the results of common measures of success between races in society.
This is precisely the point about IQ tests, they evaluate most of the factors that help you succeed in modern society, but if you don't live in a modern society you will score badly. It evaluates human factors that are affected by environmental and social factors like nutrition, health care and education... discovering 3rd world nations have lower IQ only indicates what a role environment plays on average intelligence over generations.
IQ is the single best predictor of general life outcome. It has stood 100 years of idiotic scrutiny from the likes of you and is still the most validated concept in all the social sciences. IQ doesnt need your support, the data supports it more than data supports anything outside the field of mathematics.
Intelligence is an under-discussed issue. Working in a multi-faceted analytical role in corporate America....I’ve met and talked to and interviewed loads of people who couldn’t handle it. It’s kind of sad when you test someone’s limits and realize they aren’t high enough to do lucrative work. People take that as an insult or try to tear you down, instead of treated intelligence as a trait we can measure.
Lol are you Jordan Peterson's anonymous TH-cam account?
Have you seen a racial trend? If so, are you implying that it would be an inherent trait?
@@jonahnesmith7004 Not really, I've only seen differences between individual people, I think our society does a disservice pretending we're all on the same in terms of intelligence when we are not. The media is indeed dividing people by gender and race constantly, but that's not where the actual divide is.
Joe Rogan should have Matt Dillahunty on his show!
If I remember correctly, Dillahunty has said that he's not interested
@@kp8923 shiiiit I believe he would say something like that but do you believe that if Joe Rogan gave him a call that Matt dillahunty would reject his invitation? I don't believe that. Whether Matt likes Joe or not, he's got the number one podcast in the world and Matt knows that. Imagine how many people Matt could help get started questioning their faith. I think reaching out to people means more to Matt than his feelings. I would be very shocked if it was the other way around after watching Matt for so long.
sorry Sam, Elon Musk doesn't get out of bed in the morning. He gets off the factory floor. Don't you watch this channel???!
I guess when you are stupid as he is you have to put in twice as much time.
Elon Musk would be broke if it weren't for us tax payers helping his 'private' company...
@Silidons So would Ford, Chevy, and Chrysler. If anyone deserves tax dollars its companies like Tesla who make huge advancements in technology rather than sheer profits.
wtf is tesla doing thats so great its all just a ego boost for musk sending bloody cars to space with your tax money
+Raging_AppIe, what tech advances?
Nothing new there, all existed long before Muck came along.
Still waiting for Sam Harris to debate Jared Taylor.
YES!! Jared Taylor on the JRE would be unreal, a huge redpill for a lot of people
nah, got enough alt-right losers as it is.
Espresso
Most alt righters can’t use logic but Jared Taylor can. He is different from other alt righters
@@covfefe7706 Exactly! As a fan of both sh and jt, i'm looking forward to their debate.
What Sam doesn't mention is that the methodology Charles Murray used to write the Bell Curve was extremely flawed. Limited sample sizes, cherry-picked data. It was terrible science.
Said anyone with An agenda on this topic.
@@p382742937423y4 If you're insinuating that I have a woke agenda, while Charles Murray is merely an objective, impartial purveyor of scientific research, you should really look into the guy's history. Murray has an agenda. That's fine. The crime is that his bias taints his science.
If you think he's objective, ask yourself this: why did he include IQ tests that were administered in English to Africans who DIDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH? And why did he exclude follow up studies where the same testees, after having months to improve their English language skills, did better on the test?
Look, I can tolerate a conservative. What I can't stomach is someone who cheats on their homework.
@@tomtimelord7876 I agree with the latter statement. I think the subject of human capacities and their relation to dna should be studied scientifically. It can help us in many ways (not just medicine and health care).
Its a shame human petty dislikes for people not like them puts a taboo on trying to understand what we are.
I’m not gonna pretend I’m one of those righteous people above all forms of social media but I’ve never gone on Twitter in my life and there is no doubt in my mind that my life is better because of that fact.
“I only Tweeted like 6, or 7 THOUSAND times so I didn’t really tweet that much”. Hahahaha okay.
That's in almost a decade and he isn't exactly your average person considering he has over one million followers, so no doubt many of his tweets will reflect that.
Can tell you haven't used twitter.
check out piers morgan tweet count
Twitter is for fucking morons, change my mind.
@@tr00logic4 I cant
The openness of the IQ/genes (and individual differences in general) debate is the canary in the coalmine, not Charles Murray.
Which coalmine might that be?
@@trollop_7 in the video @8:25 Sam says "maybe he [Charles Murray] is the canary in the coalmine". "canary in the coalmine" is an idiom derived from when miners would take canary birds down with them into the mines because canary birds are sensitive to noxious fumes. If the canary stopped tweeting or passed out, the miners knew to get out coz danger was imminent ( idioms.thefreedictionary.com/canary+in+a+coal+mine ). In this metaphor, Murray is supposed to be the proverbial canary in the "coalmine" of society, warning us of the imminent toxicity of closing down debate. In my example, im subverting the premise, expressing the opinion that Charles Murray is not a canary or useful barrometer of progressive discourse. I am suggesting that the relative openness of the IQ/gene debate, however, is.
@@tartanhandbag if there was a possibility to replicate you so that we could have this kind of great elaboration and culture dialog...the world would be a better place.
@Not Today yes, indeed he is, which is why i also commented to this video another comment with the following statement:
Just to put it out there (again) ...race has no biological basis. This topic has been done to death: all the way from Ashley Montagu's "Man’s Most Dangerous Myth: The Fallacy of Race" back in 1942 through to Angela Saini's recent "Superior: The Return of Race Science: The Mad Science of Race and its Fatal Return" in 2019. You'd have to be a total fool not to see what's wrong with Charles Murray and his arguments. And no, i don't think he's a rampant proponent of white supremacy per se, but he ends up pandering to it, whether he intends to or not. We are responsible for the predictable outcomes of our actions and Charles Murray knew the consequences of his actions; that's why he recommends policy and sits on the board of conservative think tanks.
and Sam i-call-myself-a-neuroscientist-but-am-actually-a-trust-fund-religious-studies-graduate Harris totally panders to it, seemingly because he spends more time reading The Bell Curve (a highly discredited, 40 years out of date rag by a non-expert conservative lobbyist) than he does reviewing the contemporary literature on the topic that's coming out on a month by month basis in scientific journals, much of which is genuinely interesting. some "neuroscientist", lol.
@@tartanhandbag -- Yeah but... Ashley Montagu (Elia Ehrenberg) and Angela Saini were wrong. They are protectors of a false narrative.
“All truth passes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
-Arthur Schopenhauer
We are on phase two.
True! I don’t understand why facts are so controversial, they are pure unbiased truths. Like the backlash against the Bell Curve author, the people with the most hate towards the book just read critiques of it and didn’t read one page of the actual book. Those with the strongest opinions seem to know the littlest about the subject many times
@@cortneyrens yes. It is because the very concept of truth has been distorted by our governing forces in the west since WWII. The level of anti-western, anti-white brainwashing is closely akin to the totalitarian ideologies of communist China and North Korea, in the sense that questioning it leads to every kind of public ostracism short of throwing you in jail. If many of todays young marxists had their way, people like us would indeed be thrown in jail, or worse, and I fully expect that such things will happen once this generation of thoroughly brainwashed social marxists come into positions of power.
There should be laws against colleges admitting people on anything other academic capability. They shouldn't look at volunteer work or race or sports, it should only be their academic capability as that is what they are there to do.
They’re telling you that’s not all they’re there for by holding importance for those other activities. That would never work because people like doing other things and that’s why sports and music exist
@@laptv2144 what about volunteer work? that has nothing to do with one's academic capability and sports is something someone should do to be healthy. besides it's not like people seriously go to college to major in something related to sports.
Why did he say ‘wow’ when he said the first time his family took a vacation in a very long time at least a year? What’s so surprising about that?
He wasn't being sarcastic, for them that is a long time
@Karen Patterson it is a long time, rich people take 4 vacations a year.
Joe Rogans' day must be 30hrs long. The man gets shit done
The influence that your childhood makes on your IQ is underestimated.
Smarter parents usually have smarter kids because they influemce them with books and different activities (playing an instrument, projects, manual skills...) since they were born, which helps the brain develop and makes the kid reflect about things from different perspectives. Of course genes also play a role but coming from a poor family where the parents don't have the time or the skill to unlock the full potential of their kids is also an important factor we should not forget. This to me is also part of the explanation of the link between race and IQ since members of the same race usually live in the same or similar environment
Exactly. And like, the amount of different ways in which different cultures and social factors influnce iq, that are also different between races, are crazy. For example, breastfeeding has well wstablished effect on later life iq. What racial group breastfeeds the least? Black people, for some cultural or economic reason. Even completely random shit like that affects these numbers.
Even the year you were born affects your IQ. Look up the "Flynn Effect". Dr. James Flynn has been studying the subject of IQ for the last 30 years and he has found that IS scored have been increasing in the US and in the developing world year after year. People are getting smarter. Well people are just better educated in Math and Language skills than previous generations. Math and Language skills is mostly what is measured in these tests.
@@titomala-madre Exactly. And the flynn effect is undeniably the product of environmental factors. Unless someone wants to claim that our brains evolved to manifest like 15 more iq points during the span of just a century lol.
@@jakoblynas8016 Don't tell that to Sam Harris he will do some vocal fry house cleaning about how he has been misrepresented.
@@titomala-madre TRRUUUUEEEEEE!!!! Good one
Poor guy, he hadn't taken a family vacation in a year?!? At least he got to get away, even if it was to Hawaii!
And the the other dude expresses surprise 🙄
Aloha 'Oe.
A book that dives into parts of this conversation is Outliers by Malcom Gladwell, for anyone interested.
thanks -
I would recommend everyone watch Shaun's video on The Bell Curve
"where there is freedom there can't be equality, where there is equality there can't be freedom"
That guy's a libtard
What about equal opportunity? The radical left and socialist want equal outcome. No one fights for equal opportunity even though it's the best way to determine who are the most competent people.
@@kchannel5317 Even striving for equal opportunity will require some diminishing of liberties. Name two people that have equal opportunities. Impossible and even if it were possible, it would require coercion to make them equal. I agree with Yaron Brook's idea that we as a society should strive to 'maximize opportunities for every individual'. What I would add is we should also cultivate a culture where people voluntarily help others.
@@Gimposai Impossible even if it were possible? Freedom and equality are not mutually exclusive. Equal opportunity is the best thing for a free society. There will never be a completely equal society I'll give you that. Just as well there will never be such thing as a completely free society. However a culture that measurably gets better at voluntarily helping others will do its best to provide equal opportunity without discriminating.
@@kchannel5317 It is impossible. I was addressing pursuing equality of opportunity through government policy. "Equal opportunity" will likely never exist. It's a fine goal to push towards equality of opportunity if we set the bar at the highest level of opportunities. Anything less than that asks a person with more opportunities to diminish their opportunities. This is why I prefer "maximizing opportunity" as to not conflate my philosophy with that of somebody who wants to "tear somebody else down so we can be equal". If a rich person can afford to send their kid to all the best schools and pours all of their resources into the child, how would a child of a single parent household in the ghetto be able to get "equal opportunities"? I think we both agree government coercion is not the answer. Even if the rich person pours an equal amount of resources into another child, is it still equal in opportunity? Even among siblings, the opportunities are not "equal" as siblings are treated differently, treat each other differently, and simply are different with varying skill sets. I know I seem to be arguing semantics regarding the word equal, but I think it's important to not focus on making everybody equal (except under the law which we know is not the case) and better to focus on maximizing the opportunities each person can get. This includes getting people to volunteer resources to maximizing other's opportunities.
Human value isn’t contingent upon intellect. Geniuses, the mentally disabled, and everyone in between should be shown compassion and kindness.
Accelerationist Why what?
As Jordan Peterson points out it’s about Valuing people as a whole
That’s not how it works though. Higher IQ = More friends, more money, a better life. Not saying a low IQ people can’t have a good life but higher IQ people just have a better chance at everything in life to articulate everything is so important in this complex world.
@@PanzerQuick Nope. IQ only up to a certain level gets you that type of success. After a certain point, someone is so smart in comparison to the rest they have a significantly harder time integrating into society and can often end up ostracized and struggling in life. Look at Nikola Tesla as a great example.
@@PanzerQuick Not at all, which demonstrates how little you know about this. This is the problem with these topics, there's so much to social sciences, which most people do not possess the language for.
I'm actually surprised at how low resolution this discussion was among such intelligent people. In most cases, IQ seems to be a question not of race, but of class (and the environmental, physical, nutritional, and educational outcomes that are associated with this that also result in a comparative lack of opportunity). It just so happens (actually, for a number of complex reasons) that there is greater alignment between these two variables ("race" and class) for some racial groups, which would seem to manifest itself as lower average IQs. In addition, it is also fundamentally important to consider the fact that "race" can't be scientifically defined (obviously not a trivial point).
Sure, its reasonable that intelligence is heritable to a degree, but it seems insane to disregard the primary and direct effect that environmental factors can have on this metric. A person raised and educated in a comparatively well-off middle class+ family with access to education and opportunity would, for environmental factors, have a higher IQ than someone raised in a comparatively poor family in the inner city or in rural areas who don't have access to such opportunities. It shouldn't be rocket science that a middle class university educated Nigerian immigrant (they have the highest rates of education in the US) would have a higher IQ than a lower-class high-school educated rural white person in West Virginia (for example). I'd like to see these differences across class (I hypothesize that you'll see lower average IQs among those in the lower socio-economic classes), then race + class (I hypothesize that there would be little notable difference). Also, talk to most people about anything of substance (whatever their "race") and you'll question everybody's level of intelligence.
SHUT UP RACIST! But seriously, people discussing in this video do not have alot of knowledge of this topic, their main point is that topic cannot be discussed publicly and people are afraid to touch this subject. I do not know either alot about but personally it does not matter for me because i am individualist and if some racial population have lower average IQ... So what?! It is an average, it does not reflect on every single member of population so why would i care?
Obviously this subject must be touched but it cant be because of fanatics.
In case of class... there are differences, and as i remember higher the class higher the IQ, one of the causes being that higher class people are higher class because they can achieve more thanks to their IQ, children of higher class also seem to have higher IQ, but it does not solve the problem in any way since we still dont know if that is because of genetics or because of how kds are raised, there is alot of research about IQ and social class, but not alot including races for reasons stated before, in my opinion reaserching higher class black people still would not solve the problem because they would score as much or even more as others on their social class level, IQ has been proven to be the best factor to predict somebodies life succes and wealth.
Another interesting point is that IQ is not tightly connected to education, you could potentialy find somebody in the primitive tribe that would score realy high on IQ score or somebody pushed by wealthy parents to university that would have very low IQ score (such things happen), as far as i remember scientists were checking IQ of identical genetically siblings (very often separated at birth or early age) to check their IQ and the thing is that it did not warried almost at all no matter how differently they were raised, the biggest difference was visible when one of the siblings was orphan that hasnt been adopted, that was causing big decreese in IQ, so unfortunatelly it looks like IQ is more influenced by genetics than nurture and bad nurture can only decrease it, there have been many experiments to increase IQ by nurture but not alot of success.
Yes you two are the heads of this field I am sure
@@AyToNFTW Nope, those are just studies ive read or heard of, i do not know much about topic either, this is all i know about experiments on this topic and thats all ive written here.
Did we watch the same video? Harris said we can have healthy debate about the data. We can investigate why, on a racial breakdown, differences in IQ (flawed as it might be) exist, including I'm sure socio economic factors.
Douglas Johnson thank you !
1:44 - that "wow" is the funniest moment of this clip. "The first vacation I took in a long long time - 1 year" ... "wow!"
Sam Harris speaking:
Best unintentional ASMR ever.
Get Jared Taylor on. He’s done his hw and can talk about this with a very objective manner
Jack Hughes I suspect Joe simply dismisses him as a “white supremacist”.
J G I think your right that’s probably why he hasn’t had him on already. It’s a shame though I think Jared is pretty brilliant and has a unique perspective growing up in japan
Pr3ssPl4y You can’t possibly be serious.
Pr3ssPl4y race absolutely is biological, it’s why you can tell a black person and a white person apart just by looking at them. Yes we are all human but chihuahuas and Great Danes are both dogs but you wouldn’t say there’s no biological difference between them. When people left Africa alot of adaptation to new environments came in part from interbreeding with Neanderthals. Also the fact we can trace peoples geographic origin through dna shows race and ethnicity is not a construct but differences rooted in biology. There are also unique phenotypical features to each race too which also suggests biological differences. Yes there has been racial mixing over the course of our existence but I don’t think it’s a widespread as you suggest as racial purity in groups in Asia and Africa is not uncommon even to today
Pr3ssPl4y You yourself provided a scientific definition of race/ethnicity - a human population which evolved separately from others for long enough to produce differences which are easily identified in DNA as well as by the naked eye. This is why we can find the remains of a murder victim from 50 years ago and determine their broad racial classification (as well as age and sex) just from a few bones. You can debate the semantics of race vs ethnicity, and how to classify more recent regional separations and mixing, but that kind of nuance does not change the biological basis of race.
Idk but I'm black and have a 4.2 GPA and graduated with honors. So this feels kind of you know, deficient.
dre turner I feel like a lot of whites lie about their IQ to or take a stupid free IQ test online, which is NOT accurate. I bet if they stopped lying we would see that whites don’t all have 120+ IQ’s.
I am white myself and I feel like I think differently than many others, my IQ is 125-130, from official IQ tests in college. That isn’t the average IQ...So many people say their IQ is over 125, or 130, but there is no way when stats
show that is not the average, or that common.. And these people take those online tests.
@@sunleo6161 68 percent of people score between 85-110 so yeah you have a bunch of Whites with average IQs who think they're genuis level.
I make more than any white person I know and I'm on track to retire at 52. This is simple neo Nazi trash.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 variations within groups are way more than variations between groups. You are showing a very poor understanding of statistics. statistics can describe populations better than individuals. That is why Sam Harris has said over and over again that you cannot judge an individual based on race even though such stats exist. The studies Murray has done only state that the mean IQ scores differ across races. Your personal experience is irrelevant given the sample size. It cannot infer anything.
Have you heard of bell curve?
"The first vacation I've taken in a very long time... At least a year."
""""""""""A very long time""""""""""
12 minutes and nothing was said. My only allegation is boredom
“Some pulls a stop sign out of the sidewalk and it still has the concrete ball at the bottom of it and some one smashed an SUV with it...”
So was the hulk a student at this school or...?
One of them temp setups with a concrete block at the end.
No. You are just a pussy :)
Thought the same thing!
@JediFlavored Soap But, he said, "concrete," ball, not, "dirt," ball; That's like swinging around A Squat Bar with weight plates only on one side of the Bar;
Couple months ago he called Stefan Molyneux a closeted racist because he spent too much time on IQ and race. Now he gets the same treatment from the "left" now all of the sudden he says we should be able to have these discussions without be called racist. Hopefully he learns that its very easy to point the finger and not easy to handle it when its pointed at you.
he is tho. Everything he says is whites are he smartest and the best. Resd the comment section under his videos. That sums it up
Lol at closeted. Molyneux is among the most blatant ones.
crazycashlarry he was talking about Molyneux’s obsession with IQ. Let’s be honest, how many shows has he done on the subject? As for being a racist, well, he once said with a very angry tone “It’s difficult to blend when you don’t look the same!” That kinda sums it up for me!
thomas anderson who are we talking about? Stephen Hawking? Martin Luther King? Conjoined twins? Or is it just skin colour and clothing?
“6k tweets”...”not a big twitter user”
The issue with IQ is that it’s heritable but it also lies on a continuum instead of being something discrete like the presence of a widow’s peak vs. no widow’s peak. It also can vary significantly depending on environment. Think of it like this. Your genes dictate the range or potential of your IQ and your environmental conditions set in place where you lie in that range. It’s difficult to control for environment completely and given that IQ differences aren’t particularly huge between races it’s hard to say what is due to heritability and what’s due to environment. Frankly I feel it’s a waste of time even bothering (given that the scientific community has much bigger problems to solve) but oh well. I’m Asian btw so it’s not like I’m offended by the results. This is just my honest opinion
This.
Yep, environment, upbringing and culture matter more than inherited/innate IQ. Look at how many kids of renowned mathematicians/physicists/engineers amount to nothing.
Javier - ....not according to decades of twin studies and, more recently, digital biology. 40-80% is the range cited by any credible cognitive science scholars with expertise in intelligence research.
I wish people who gave their opinions on this topic had actually read that IQ study without any bias. The study hasn't ever been disproved, they might attack Murray but the actual study has never been disproved as no one wants to want another study as they know the results will be the same. If Murray's results weren't true or even exaggerated you know people would instantly redo the study to prove him wrong, but of course they haven't nor will they ever as it's evident...
Check the actual criticisms and peer review
Peer review doesnt mean shit. Just because 1000000 scientists disagree with one scientists doesnt make them right.
that's totally right. IQ tries to determine G general intelligence of a person, and people do differ on that. Charles spearman developed it. Others challenged the notion that the basis of this is biological, but the studies were repeated many times and the results always came the same.
That isn't what peer review even means...@@mindfulmagnates
@@egaluel don't you think I've already at least skimmed those academic criticisms? Apart from targeting the methods of the study, like how they tested certain control groups, they don't have any solid criticism of the actual racial IQ differences.
I'm pretty sure everyone believes the IQ scores from every race is different. Some might claim IQ isn't the best metric for determining intelligence, but it's been scientifically (in numerous ways ) proven that it's the best measure we have, the predicting factor (of iq scores/levels) is further proof.
You can literally see the predicting factor at play in your personal life when you start seeing who's successful, who's run into problems in life, and overall those who have been neutral/stable. Ages when this is super apparent are the ages 18-35..
I'm 25% Chinese. Explains my genius
I'm 50% African and 50% Asian, explains my genius and my huge dick.
Tommy Robinson Nah the Asian cancels out the penis size and the black cancels out the intelligence so you’re basically white
@@IhaveBigFeet bruh i laughed so hard
The stupidity of Facebook and Twitter, to me, are some of the biggest problems for humans today
That is why I do not have a Facebook or Twitter account I’d rather spend time with my family and friends especially my children
Yes it seems to be full of freaks and weirdos who will eventually commit suicide, I have never used that garbage, who cares what some random freak thinks?
I didn't know Joe had Councilman Jeremy Jam on the show... cool.
Hahahahaha
Lmaoo
The dangers of discovering new research/potential for research between differences in group is that at some point unintentionally it will become a matter of who's better or worse within a group of people based on research,that of which is manipulated into "we're x group so y group is lesser" which happened in the history many times (the 30's-40's are the best documented case of such a thing of occuring). Another danger is WHO is conducting the research because they themselves can abuse or accidentally incriminate themselves into being a target/targeted individual for the rught or wrong reasons (such as the main guest)
It is truly amazing how many people take IQ seriously. You have a vast array of mental attributes, logical, mathematical, linguistic, spatial awareness, visualisation, kinesthetics, creativity, problem solving, lateral thinking and intuitive responses, to name a few. All of these manifest to differing degrees in each of us and all are affected by our environment, our education, our peers and even the balance of our other mental attributes. And then we come along and say that this huge, mutable, ever-changing array of complex interacting attributes can be summed up by a single number.
well said
You clearly should read more on the factor g. It is maybe THE best established predictor for life success etc. If you throw IQ out of the window you would have to do the same with everything else which would render psychology completely meaningless. I really think you should read more about IQ and the science behind it.
You clearly have low iq 😂. Trying to sound smart 😂😂
Joe "I look like a thumb with two thumbs" Rogan
Untrue, but very funny
I wish joe can get Thomas sowell on his show a real intellectual
Your name is very fitting
@@88mphDrBrown your*
I agree there is a correlation between race and IQ. I suspect that culture has something to do with it. I’m black, rational and come from the bottom to the top. I agree. I understand people are sensitive but I cannot disagree. There’s no one coat fits all but to a large degree it’s true.
It’s not true at all people need to stop looking at things black or white. Everything is grey there is a balance to existence. Many people of color have been brilliant but thought of as helpers in the past. Just like having a bigger brain does not make you smart. We see more Caucasians as intellectuals because they have been in power for a long time. I don’t care about identity politics by the way. I just thing of it objectively.
@@josenavarro8320 and why have whites been in power longer?..... haven't answered that one objectively have ya Jose?
Hint hint.....cause their smarter,better prepared,well provisioned, etc.
@@josenavarro8320 I'd love to agree, but I'd be more in tap with how I feel other than objective reality. An intellect would observe why you're in the situation then work together to get out. We don't work together! Jewish, and early Asians have also had it hard why don't I hear any excuses? It's just the way it is don't be upset. Any intellectual can see this. I can't speak for your race I can say our culture is a huge negative in the African American community. How come we don't realize this after decades? We can pinpoint anytime in the history and try to sympathize with emotion. If intellect wasn't low then why am I way more likely to be killed by another black based on the numbers but we keep pointing our attention to cops? I've never even seen a white supremacist yet they keep bringing it up every election. Someone has to say it but we don't even confront the issue in our own community because like you they believe in putting feelings before rationality. I can't change your mind but one thing you can't deny is my upbringing from the Southside of Chicago to where I am today. So I saw it first hand. Every single person I know who has died has died from another black person. So until you can know what it feels like to grow up in that environment while black I'd appreciate it if you kept your "feelings" to yourself. The intellect as a collective is low that's just facts. Reading books doesn't have to tell you that killing is wrong. Especially someone who looks like you... We're only 13% of the population with about half the murders. This is facts, doesn't matter how you feel. They follow to be liked without even looking at the snowball effect. To the other races reading this there are geniuses in the community but not as many as I'd hope. An intellect walks away from the culture if it doesn't align with rationality. Yes I'm black and yes I said this facts don't care about your feelings snowflakes!
@@niks983 ah yes, because being better prepared is a hereditary trait right? Man you make even the white supremacists disappointed
@@Mebble lmao no dipshit, being better prepared is not hereditary.
But guess what smart people think ahead........hence being better prepared etc.
I think it's funny how white supremacist gets thrown in the mix.
This is just statistically facts🤦
But I understand.... anything you don't like is.....uh uh muh rACisM
I think the problem people have when bringing up the genetic benefits of iq or athleism in certain ethic groups is that some people take that as those born with these advantages didn't work hard to hone them
regardless - statistics don't lie. just look at countries in general with a largely mono racial demographics and see for yourself who's consistently corrupted, always last in everything and poor.
I love how Harris says he was “on” Hawaii, not “in” Hawaii...subtle but smart.
In makes sense because it's a state. Saying on just makes you sound like a twat.
@ That could be the case. Lots of Americans don't know that Hawaii is both the name of the State, and the name of an Island in the state - we usually just call it "The Big Island" to avoid confusion.
@osamabinsmokin because Ireland is a country as well as island , so are you in northern Island or on NI ?
@@CarrotConsumer No, the big island of Hawaii is Hawaii. You aren’t on Kansas. If you are on Long Island in NY you can be on Hawaii.
omg guys, fucking prepositions. you're not on the bus, you're in the bus, you're not in the shower, you're under the shower ...this is simply the process of grammaticalisation. prescriptive linguistics is a dead horse. quit flogging it.
When he refers to not having a vacation for a long time, he’s saying he said he hasn’t had a vacation with his family for a long time, probably meaning he hasn’t taken time off from work to spend a substantial about of time with his family in over a year.
He told you ?
Who the fuck cares?
Zachary Roth 99% of this comment section is people crying about vacation 😂
Can you imagine how this dialogue would go over drinks with no cameras. Think they’d dance around the anti blackness?
They arent anti black, blacks just have a lower average IQ