I respect your posting this, and am, as always, immensely grateful to see a fellow faller walk away from something like this. But, I'll give it to you straight; notch too shallow and too low, the hollowing out plunge cut in the notch was angled backwards to a point lower than the notch, thus creating a risky angle, then the hinge was too skinny to hold anything with the back cut too low, and the wedging compounded the physics of it all. You essentially created a slide for the tree. Always first build a good hinge with a side plunge cut on these leaners. The hinge is all you have when physics takes over. At the point where the tree sat down on your bar the red lights should have started flashing. Walk away and think. Please don't see these comments as criticism or judgement. It comes from a caring place. Tree falling is a humbling profession, but a proud tradition - we are part of a brotherhood that extends over tens of thousands of years, of taking an ax or a saw to a tree, and without that civilisation would not be where it is today. Take care of yourself.
This is the best corner of TH-cam. Guys with the broad shoulders to post something they may not be proud of, and guys who leave courteous remarks, to help the silent majority on the sideline to learn a little more about what can go wrong. Bravo to both of you!
The cause of that was the notch cut too thin with the bottom cut of the notch sloping down towards your safe zone. Had no choice but to kick back like that.
i think the problem started when the idea of not loosing a single centimeter of pricy wood arrived... too low, then durty notch...to small hinge to limit tearout... but could have caused tears in. It is somehow a good video that remind us sometimes we take wrong decisions and that could have critical concequences. Thanks for sharing and reminding to all to be humble facing trees even everyday fallers. Stay all safe and happy... greatings from france
Oregon raised lad here. It's more important that you are OK than that the log is OK. I understand that your walnut is valuable wood, but not even close to as valuable as you are.
Never seen a gob that shallow or small or with the bottom cut sloping down (been felling, 99% hardwoods for 40 years). No step on the hinge either - the step is your protection against the butt spitting back. Cutting out the centre is fine, but you cut out too much so your hinge (already tiny because your gob was ridiculously shallow) was reduced to two short lengths, mostly in sapwood and in the wild grain at the trunk/root transition. No surprises that all control of the fell was lost. Nobody died or got limbs squashed. Lucky.
Respect for posting this brother. We're all human and mistakes happen but owning them, learning from them, and importantly in this case, showing others how to avoid them, are real qualities and testament to your character 👏
Yikes!! That back sloping beaver bite of an undercut combined with your back cut being a tad lower than the hinge base left the butt only one way to go when the undercut closed tight before the hinge could give. Good thing you still weren't on your knees the moment it gave.
Thanks for taking your time to post this video. It showed me that no matter how careful you are and how professional you are crap can still happen! Thanks again and glad it worked out ok!
I like how you say in the beginning that safety is important then to proceed to use an unsafe cutting practices. The bore cutting was correct but your face cut was poorly executed and you had no stump shot. Safety is more important than saving 2" of footage in my opinion. Stay safe.
I had that happen to me once, but it was due to limb pressure from surrounding trees that actually lifted it up off the stump and sat it down. Those kind of surprises get the gray hairs growing. Glad it all worked out for you.
The notch was waaaay too small. I understand you dont want to mess up your logs but damn... I always think loggers do small notches when they do like 30 degrees and yours was less than half! I never have less than 60 degrees but I dont do production felling.
You cut all the holding off boarding the centre out . I’ve fallen a lot , at least 1/3 undercut , side cuts prevents pullout . The centre holding wood rarely pulls out fibres . I usually stick a wedge in to keep it from pinching . Stay safe, remember always look up . 👍🇨🇦
Too shallow of an undercut. You also cut through your hinge on the left side facing the undercut with your first cut. You in effect wedged the tree off the hinge you cut through.
At 2:18 you can see what went completely wrong. Look at the top cut, notice how far back it ends, then look at the bottom cut, doesn't match with the top cut. This leaves a slide for the log. To compound this error, the back cut is level or below the notch resulting from the front cuts not lining up. Perfect slide for the log to slide back on. I greatly appreciate this mistake being posted as it allows people to see what can go wrong, as well as what to look out for. It takes balls and maturity to post mistakes for others to learn from.
@@Good.Fellers I've been doing tree work almost 10 years now, i've definitely had some close calls, some of them I anticipated and accepted, some that blindsided me and I was lucky not to get hurt. We learn from them, and share the knowledge so others are more prepared. Thanks again.
I’m pretty new to your channel with the goal of learning so let me start by thanking for posting your learning experience that really was just inches from being a really bad day. I’ve been reading the comments in order to learn more and I think there is at least one more video that could be posted on this. I would like to see you or someone standing in front of a whiteboard or something that you can take me and others through what you think went wrong cut by cut and what you now think you should have done differently and what would have been less risky. I’ve been around felling trees for as long as I can remember way back to the 1960s and I’ve seen some boneheaded videos that were obviously made without any evidence of safety. You started out being safe and I just don’t fully understand the physics of what made that multi ton tree do what it did. I know it was a very expensive tree and you were likely trying to get everything out of it so did that also contribute to the near miss? Thanks for sharing and to those with respectful opinions I appreciate that also. “Safety is no accident” quoted on the local garage radio every few hours. Glad you were not injured!!!
If you watch my video on spur cutting it will explain what I should have done. I tried to directionally fall a tree that I should have let fall naturally. Now I don’t recommend this for novices, it would have made more sense in the long run. I wouldn’t try to learn much from comments because 50plus percent of them are nonsensical.
I was suspecting something was gonna happen like that when I saw your bottom face cut wasn’t parallel to the ground. Once the back cut took out all the structural integrity, the tree can tip forward and closes up the notch which forces it backwards like that.
Love your video, the small face & low back cut created that :) The hinge closed & jacked it up where it could slide over the back cut , there was no height to the back cut to keep it from sliding back. So it was the first cut that set this up... :) WISH u had the camera close to the side , but that angled down bottom of the face created that.. :) Good news? u got out of the way!
Love that you shared this. I think you know exactly what you did wrong. You saw money in a high value tree and trued to give insurance of dropping without damage; in exchange for less safety. Some folks dont make in a week of work what 50% of that tree pays; so I know that tricks us all at times. But lets remember youd be better to destroy the tree then to not go home
What makes no sense to me is…you make that tiny little undercut to “save” the little bit of valueable wood that would be “sacrificed” by making a more open face cut, then you proceed to cut off all the butt flares once the tree is on the ground. A decent sized, open undercut could be made by making the top cut virtually the same size as one of those flare-removal cuts!
Thanks for sharing. Them sliders can be bad. Had a few myself over the years. Thinkin that digging down around the tree to a wider flare and spur cutting it might have kept the sliding from being as fast or prevented it. Either way they sure get the ole heart a thumpin. Keep it safe out there and keep lookin up man.
I've read through the comments and I get the impression you are more concerned with the wood or the money you can get then perhaps your own safety. Mate, everything in life is borrowed you cant take anything with you when you die. There are lots of very experienced professional loggers who have died, so ask yourself how important is that extra foot of wood or risk to the scope of my life. I appreciate you sharing the video as it is a valuable lesson to others.
Well, you can live life scared or ya can get out there not be a demascalated modern version of a man. I take pride in my work and the facts are we’re all gonna die. With that being said 99% of people literally aren’t going to succeed at a high level. I’m not interested in being like them.
@@Good.Fellers I'm not sure how applying safety is living life scared or emasculating. I take pride in my work too and yes we are all going to die however, dying before your time or because you were a bit reckless seems like a big price to pay especially for the loved ones you leave behind.
Lolol…nah…an intelligent experienced feller imo…just got careless with the notch, massive bore cut, and too low felling cut…trying to get the most out of a beautiful, beautiful tree…glad he wasn’t injured of course…
Wow that video made me kind of flinch a bit. It reminded of back in the 60s when I was 11 my neighbor would take me logging with him all skidding was done with horses. I had forgotten all about this till I seen this video the tree he was cutting did what you call barber chair it was a very explosive thing smashed the chainsaw he tackled me to get me out of the way. He was so upset we just walked the horses off the hill side and done for the day it was his 1st tree that day. I know I have mentioned before on your channel that many friends of mine have been killed our crippled over the last 40 years in logging accident and I buy about 30 tri-axle loads of wood per year to sell for firewood. I was never a logger but close to the industry. You seen like a great guy stay safe out there. If there is something for the rest of us to learn about safety could you do a video on your hand injury if it could help prevent somebody from doing the same thing. It may be something you don't want to talk about and I am sure we all would under stand.
Yes by all means SAFETY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR. Things can go wrong in a Split Second. You are very SAFETY minded in your cutting. I once cut a Maple Tree down only to Have it get caught up in an Oak Tree. So I got it down by having to Cut the Oak Tree. Used a Notch on the Oak, plus 2 wedges on it. Cut about 1/3 of the Way Thru it, walked Away and Watched both of them Fall. Then Cut them up into Rounds to bring Home to Process. It can and Will Happen, that is an Error on the Cutters Side. NOW MY FRIEND LETS BE SAFE, STAY WARM AND LIVE TO MAKE ANOTHER. RON FROM THE WOODYARD IN DUANESBURG NY, TO COLD OUT TODAY TO CUT ANYTHING HOPEFULLY TOMORROW. GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS.
This is the reality of the woods , i have been close to death many times , pinned to the ground by grape vine , ash barber chairing , but, you are doing what you love, and love what you are doing ! Keep it going and be as safe as you can !
I'm glad you are okay! If only we lived in a perfect world with perfect plans and perfect results. This stuff is just inherently dangerous. My "just about bought the farm" moment was years ago, cutting saw line on the Hayman Complex fire in Colorado. It's just the cost of doing business!
Thanks for posting your video. Beautiful Juglans Nigra, alright anyone can be an armchair quarterback these days. I do a good bit of felling and teaching chain saw safety and operation, and I am very thankful for you getting out of the way. That could have been really bad. I know your trying to preserve the wood, but I hate cutting that low because you obviously loose mobility. But your notch was so shallow. It should be 80% across the face and to be considered an open notch you should be about 70 degrees down. What I was shock is the amount of hinge wood you left. Nice bore cut by the way, but I teach and I always fell with a good hinge at least 10% of the diameter at DBH (4.5’) behind the entire face cut. Your hinge was way too small for a 29” tree should have been right at 3”. If you’re trying to preserve the wood maybe do a Humboldt notch like they do on the west coast. Glad you were safe. I would also love to see you felling with some chaps or saw pants. Know they are hot, but you looked to have a Husky 592 in your hand, it would not be a good day if it got into your legg. Stay safe.
I’ll be honest, I respectfully disagree with most of what you said. I’m not new to this and this tree fell in the direction god intended because the hinge on the light side was to small. After seeing the out come I would have jump cut or spur cut it. Hind sites 20/20 but that would have made more sense. As far as chaps or chainsaw pants, you won’t see me wearing them. I prefer movement to whatever safety they provide. In the 14 years I’ve been in the timber business I’ve seen injuries, but none could have been prevented by chaps or hinges. I would argue chainsaw etiquette is important. I would bring up the danger of being intoxicated in the woods. Cables on skidders are pretty dangerous, as are sharp sticks made when cleaning saplings around a tree you’re going to cut. I could keep going on the list of dangers I think matter but this response is long enough.
6 inches of wasted wood is worth way less than your life. You cut it completely off the stump, and the top hitting other tops is what made it slid off the stump.
I don’t know who taught you but that isn’t how it’s done. I’ve seen 3 guys get killed by trees including my cousin and they were all professionals with decades of experience. Point being it’s dangerous enough without Dutchmen, shallow faces, cutting off the hinge and low back cuts. I don’t care what the tree is worth. You’re worth more to your family 🤷🏽♂️
Great video. Is the flare wood low on the stump less strong than say up 6 inches? I’m thinking the sap wood is thicker and less strong having less holding power. Asking because I’m in my arm chair and not a cutter. Great content
My only criticism would be to take more time. Sometimes it is a gradual thing that involves a careful inspection. You weren’t in the danger zone behind or in front. I saw the tree start to move and you stayed on the saw. Anytime I see movement, the saw comes out. Yes, we get tired or distracted or our mind is processing something else. Praise God you didn’t get struck. Stay safe brother!
When that tree slid back, i actually said whoa and reared back. I had a tree fall 90 degrees from the direction of my notch because i had unknowingly cut the hinge too thin on one side. Barber chaired one when my saw ran out of gas.
I'm not passing judgement here, just asking a question. In your own estimation, was that notch deep enough or high enough for a tree of that size? If you had it to do over again, would you have made a bigger notch?
If I had to do it over again I would have spur cut this tree. I have a video about that if you’re not familiar. The only part of the notch that matters to me is the width. This trees hinge on the light side broke allowing the tree to fall sideways. The notch literally didn’t come into play.
@@Good.Fellers - I admit to only felling trees using the most common and traditional techniques, but if you had a much deeper notch, higher up on the trunk, and then a normal back cut, wouldn't that mean there never was a hinge on the "light side" to break? I'm just trying to understand why you did all of these other steps instead of a normal hinge cut and back cut. Is the method you were using done to produce more board feet of wood, because it seems to be less safe, to me.
I didn’t see you do one thing correctly in falling that tree,if you did a normal humboldt about a foot and a half higher it would have been fine,so what if you wasted a tiny bit of wood.
I don't see a single thing done properly in this vidio. It should be used as an enumeration of 100% wrong actions. Happily this guy is "taking care of security". I wonder how would he do if not paying attention to security.
Great video, love the content as always & looking forward to more! The way the tree jumped off that stump looked almost totally unpredictable, were there any warning signs that may happen that could’ve been observed or is it just luck of the draw sometimes how they fall?
@@Good.Fellers thank you, very fascinating! That tree sure tried to take you with it, glad that you were quicker & got to see another day. I’m greatly looking forward to watching the next upload!
Was there something holding the top a little? If not, an open face notch would have kept that from happening. When the notch closed up, that's when the slide happens. Saw was cutting good. And I do leave small tab hinges, never any problem. Good job though.
you're a wise man to remove trip hazards and secure escape paths.you could have lost that foot if you'd tripped on a gamble or vine.assessing the lean and judging the integrity of the timber by the shavings your saw throws out is so important too.never,ever let anyone rush you.if they don't understand I will walk away.so many amateurs want to tell you how to work,and should be politely ignored.I was working alongside another man,and noticed he had bud earphones in as was listening to loud metal.could hear the hum standing next to him.I went and started at the.opposite end of the woods.we are responsible for ourselves,and anyone in range,so it's so important to be spatially aware,whilst still concentrating on the task in hand.great work my friend,and I wish you all the best with your channel.maddog.aboricultalist.West cork.republic of Ireland.be safe and stay lucky.
@@jolkraeremeark6949 ... Might be 3 or 4' on the low side. It's easier on the neck looking up for safety when standing and we can't run on our knees like the flatlanders. LOL :>)
I think you are saying these old trees start to deteriorate even before they die. I'm not sure what the force is that causes the butt to want to move. Is the tree pivoting on the center of gravity? I don't know why it would do that. Edit. I have thought a little bit more about it. We are expecting the tree to fall sideways which is not natural. Gravity is pulling it straight down. If there is not another force to make it go sideways then it won't go sideways.
The walnut i done was half of that walnut tree size right next to a garage it went down good but it was in a tight spot it could have made good boards but i cut it up and rolled the logs in his woods probably all rotted out by now
That EXCAT thing is how i got my right foot pinned an i couldnt move till elm tree fell to its lay. Really broke me up an scared me i was around 20 yr old..
Cutting close to the ground and narow small notch. Notch closed and tree went off the stump. mybe just mybe you could prevent that if your back cut was half an inch or an inch above the notch.
Imagine if you were 2 feet to the left , safety first over money. Hope you never do that again, compromise the notch in order to save a little wood money.
I also haven't seen such a small notch...shouldn't the bottom of the notch be at least horizontal? Btw...you make those small notches in every video....is it just a bad day, or a bad habit?😊
I respect your posting this, and am, as always, immensely grateful to see a fellow faller walk away from something like this. But, I'll give it to you straight; notch too shallow and too low, the hollowing out plunge cut in the notch was angled backwards to a point lower than the notch, thus creating a risky angle, then the hinge was too skinny to hold anything with the back cut too low, and the wedging compounded the physics of it all. You essentially created a slide for the tree. Always first build a good hinge with a side plunge cut on these leaners. The hinge is all you have when physics takes over. At the point where the tree sat down on your bar the red lights should have started flashing. Walk away and think. Please don't see these comments as criticism or judgement. It comes from a caring place. Tree falling is a humbling profession, but a proud tradition - we are part of a brotherhood that extends over tens of thousands of years, of taking an ax or a saw to a tree, and without that civilisation would not be where it is today. Take care of yourself.
Thank you for the respectful comment.
This is the best corner of TH-cam. Guys with the broad shoulders to post something they may not be proud of, and guys who leave courteous remarks, to help the silent majority on the sideline to learn a little more about what can go wrong. Bravo to both of you!
Thank you for the kind words.
"I think that safety is important". Well, you forgot to yell "Timber!" in at least two directions befor you actually fell the tree.
@Drottninggatan2017 lol
Been a tree climber, Tree Trimmer and Arborist for 30 years from the east to the west north and south. And I've never seen a notch so small.
I see them everyday.
Or , so little hinge wood
I prefer no hinge wood in most situations
Yeah, that's a notch for an 8" diameter.
They also meet at an angle that faces up toward the sky.
The cause of that was the notch cut too thin with the bottom cut of the notch sloping down towards your safe zone. Had no choice but to kick back like that.
The notch had nothing to do with kick back my friend. It didn’t pivvot on the fulcrum of the notch. It fell sideways.
Worrying about every inch of wood could have cost him greatly. I'm glad it didn't
@markelkins7622 never give a inch! Lol
i think the problem started when the idea of not loosing a single centimeter of pricy wood arrived... too low, then durty notch...to small hinge to limit tearout... but could have caused tears in. It is somehow a good video that remind us sometimes we take wrong decisions and that could have critical concequences. Thanks for sharing and reminding to all to be humble facing trees even everyday fallers. Stay all safe and happy... greatings from france
Oregon raised lad here. It's more important that you are OK than that the log is OK. I understand that your walnut is valuable wood, but not even close to as valuable as you are.
Health is the first wealth.
Never seen a gob that shallow or small or with the bottom cut sloping down (been felling, 99% hardwoods for 40 years). No step on the hinge either - the step is your protection against the butt spitting back. Cutting out the centre is fine, but you cut out too much so your hinge (already tiny because your gob was ridiculously shallow) was reduced to two short lengths, mostly in sapwood and in the wild grain at the trunk/root transition. No surprises that all control of the fell was lost. Nobody died or got limbs squashed. Lucky.
Just an another beautiful morning in the woods, next time I’ll jump cut it!
Respect for posting this brother. We're all human and mistakes happen but owning them, learning from them, and importantly in this case, showing others how to avoid them, are real qualities and testament to your character 👏
Thank you for the kind words.
Yikes!! That back sloping beaver bite of an undercut combined with your back cut being a tad lower than the hinge base left the butt only one way to go when the undercut closed tight before the hinge could give. Good thing you still weren't on your knees the moment it gave.
Gotta be quick.
Being safe and being smart is better because one day you won’t be nearly quick enough.
Thanks for taking your time to post this video. It showed me that no matter how careful you are and how professional you are crap can still happen! Thanks again and glad it worked out ok!
Yes sir!
My heart skipped a beat watching this one. Reinforces that you can never be too careful! Stay safe out there!
Yeah, thank you!
I like how you say in the beginning that safety is important then to proceed to use an unsafe cutting practices. The bore cutting was correct but your face cut was poorly executed and you had no stump shot. Safety is more important than saving 2" of footage in my opinion. Stay safe.
I’m glad for your opinion and comment.
I had that happen to me once, but it was due to limb pressure from surrounding trees that actually lifted it up off the stump and sat it down. Those kind of surprises get the gray hairs growing. Glad it all worked out for you.
Yes sir me too.
The notch was waaaay too small. I understand you dont want to mess up your logs but damn... I always think loggers do small notches when they do like 30 degrees and yours was less than half! I never have less than 60 degrees but I dont do production felling.
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Combination of narrow notch and no holding wood, think he was being overly cautious, in fear of splitting, which would be a costly error..
@hilldweller8610 you got it
You cut all the holding off boarding the centre out . I’ve fallen a lot , at least 1/3 undercut , side cuts prevents pullout . The centre holding wood rarely pulls out fibres . I usually stick a wedge in to keep it from pinching . Stay safe, remember always look up . 👍🇨🇦
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Too shallow of an undercut. You also cut through your hinge on the left side facing the undercut with your first cut. You in effect wedged the tree off the hinge you cut through.
Ok
At 2:18 you can see what went completely wrong. Look at the top cut, notice how far back it ends, then look at the bottom cut, doesn't match with the top cut. This leaves a slide for the log. To compound this error, the back cut is level or below the notch resulting from the front cuts not lining up. Perfect slide for the log to slide back on.
I greatly appreciate this mistake being posted as it allows people to see what can go wrong, as well as what to look out for. It takes balls and maturity to post mistakes for others to learn from.
It’s all part of it. If you cut a lot of timber some are gonna try and get ya. Lol
@@Good.Fellers I've been doing tree work almost 10 years now, i've definitely had some close calls, some of them I anticipated and accepted, some that blindsided me and I was lucky not to get hurt.
We learn from them, and share the knowledge so others are more prepared. Thanks again.
@nate2838 I’ve been in the life flight befor. Live and learn.
I've never seen a tree do that. Happy no one was hurt. Stay safe.
Me too!
I’m pretty new to your channel with the goal of learning so let me start by thanking for posting your learning experience that really was just inches from being a really bad day.
I’ve been reading the comments in order to learn more and I think there is at least one more video that could be posted on this.
I would like to see you or someone standing in front of a whiteboard or something that you can take me and others through what you think went wrong cut by cut and what you now think you should have done differently and what would have been less risky.
I’ve been around felling trees for as long as I can remember way back to the 1960s and I’ve seen some boneheaded videos that were obviously made without any evidence of safety.
You started out being safe and I just don’t fully understand the physics of what made that multi ton tree do what it did.
I know it was a very expensive tree and you were likely trying to get everything out of it so did that also contribute to the near miss?
Thanks for sharing and to those with respectful opinions I appreciate that also.
“Safety is no accident” quoted on the local garage radio every few hours.
Glad you were not injured!!!
If you watch my video on spur cutting it will explain what I should have done.
I tried to directionally fall a tree that I should have let fall naturally.
Now I don’t recommend this for novices, it would have made more sense in the long run.
I wouldn’t try to learn much from comments because 50plus percent of them are nonsensical.
I was suspecting something was gonna happen like that when I saw your bottom face cut wasn’t parallel to the ground. Once the back cut took out all the structural integrity, the tree can tip forward and closes up the notch which forces it backwards like that.
It fell sideways because the hinge on the right side broke off.
Love your video, the small face & low back cut created that :) The hinge closed & jacked it up where it could slide over the back cut , there was no height to the back cut to keep it from sliding back. So it was the first cut that set this up... :) WISH u had the camera close to the side , but that angled down bottom of the face created that.. :) Good news? u got out of the way!
It fell sideways I tried to direct it away from it natural lean. The hinge broke off on the light side.
Love that you shared this. I think you know exactly what you did wrong. You saw money in a high value tree and trued to give insurance of dropping without damage; in exchange for less safety. Some folks dont make in a week of work what 50% of that tree pays; so I know that tricks us all at times. But lets remember youd be better to destroy the tree then to not go home
You know the score.
What makes no sense to me is…you make that tiny little undercut to “save” the little bit of valueable wood that would be “sacrificed” by making a more open face cut, then you proceed to cut off all the butt flares once the tree is on the ground. A decent sized, open undercut could be made by making the top cut virtually the same size as one of those flare-removal cuts!
Keep watching the channel.
Instead of being concerned about missing a few inches of a log, stop making your back cut so low.
lol, that’s kinda talk that will get you fired in these parts!
Thanks for sharing. Them sliders can be bad. Had a few myself over the years. Thinkin that digging down around the tree to a wider flare and spur cutting it might have kept the sliding from being as fast or prevented it. Either way they sure get the ole heart a thumpin. Keep it safe out there and keep lookin up man.
I have cut for many years. We all know not to pull to hard. On our hinges. Be careful boring to much out.
Yup
I've read through the comments and I get the impression you are more concerned with the wood or the money you can get then perhaps your own safety. Mate, everything in life is borrowed you cant take anything with you when you die. There are lots of very experienced professional loggers who have died, so ask yourself how important is that extra foot of wood or risk to the scope of my life. I appreciate you sharing the video as it is a valuable lesson to others.
Well, you can live life scared or ya can get out there not be a demascalated modern version of a man.
I take pride in my work and the facts are we’re all gonna die. With that being said 99% of people literally aren’t going to succeed at a high level. I’m not interested in being like them.
@@Good.Fellers I'm not sure how applying safety is living life scared or emasculating. I take pride in my work too and yes we are all going to die however, dying before your time or because you were a bit reckless seems like a big price to pay especially for the loved ones you leave behind.
Yep, cutting the holding wood is always dangerous
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Don’t mean to put nobody down , I’ve climbed some tough trees and threw some tough trees . This guy needs to be on a cake baking show .
Thanks for comment bud !
Lolol…nah…an intelligent experienced feller imo…just got careless with the notch, massive bore cut, and too low felling cut…trying to get the most out of a beautiful, beautiful tree…glad he wasn’t injured of course…
@tnmantn8938 you got it bud
Did you do that on purpose?
No sir. We all make mistakes.
Wow that video made me kind of flinch a bit. It reminded of back in the 60s when I was 11 my neighbor would take me logging with him all skidding was done with horses. I had forgotten all about this till I seen this video the tree he was cutting did what you call barber chair it was a very explosive thing smashed the chainsaw he tackled me to get me out of the way. He was so upset we just walked the horses off the hill side and done for the day it was his 1st tree that day. I know I have mentioned before on your channel that many friends of mine have been killed our crippled over the last 40 years in logging accident and I buy about 30 tri-axle loads of wood per year to sell for firewood. I was never a logger but close to the industry. You seen like a great guy stay safe out there. If there is something for the rest of us to learn about safety could you do a video on your hand injury if it could help prevent somebody from doing the same thing. It may be something you don't want to talk about and I am sure we all would under stand.
Yeah I’ll do a video on the hand, it doesn’t bother me.
I always quit for the day when things go wrong as well.
Whew.. close one. Maybe more hinge next time. Glad to see another video. Keep em coming ❤
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Can’t use the bark for a hinge
lol
That should improve your prayer life. Thank God you are well. Be safe and be thankful. Blessings, Sid
I say the Lord’s Prayer everyday.
Yes by all means SAFETY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR. Things can go wrong in a Split Second. You are very SAFETY minded in your cutting. I once cut a Maple Tree down only to Have it get caught up in an Oak Tree. So I got it down by having to Cut the Oak Tree. Used a Notch on the Oak, plus 2 wedges on it. Cut about 1/3 of the Way Thru it, walked Away and Watched both of them Fall. Then Cut them up into Rounds to bring Home to Process. It can and Will Happen, that is an Error on the Cutters Side. NOW MY FRIEND LETS BE SAFE, STAY WARM AND LIVE TO MAKE ANOTHER. RON FROM THE WOODYARD IN DUANESBURG NY, TO COLD OUT TODAY TO CUT ANYTHING HOPEFULLY TOMORROW. GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS.
Hell yeah Ron!
Hope you’re doing good out there buddy!
This is the reality of the woods , i have been close to death many times , pinned to the ground by grape vine , ash barber chairing , but, you are doing what you love, and love what you are doing ! Keep it going and be as safe as you can !
Yes sir, I’ve ridden in the chopper to the hospital before. Just part of the deal.
I'm glad you are okay! If only we lived in a perfect world with perfect plans and perfect results. This stuff is just inherently dangerous. My "just about bought the farm" moment was years ago, cutting saw line on the Hayman Complex fire in Colorado. It's just the cost of doing business!
That’s the truth, I’ve been on the helicopter to the trauma center in the past.
You know what they say “the scared man doesn’t make any money”
Thanks for posting your video. Beautiful Juglans Nigra, alright anyone can be an armchair quarterback these days. I do a good bit of felling and teaching chain saw safety and operation, and I am very thankful for you getting out of the way. That could have been really bad. I know your trying to preserve the wood, but I hate cutting that low because you obviously loose mobility. But your notch was so shallow. It should be 80% across the face and to be considered an open notch you should be about 70 degrees down. What I was shock is the amount of hinge wood you left. Nice bore cut by the way, but I teach and I always fell with a good hinge at least 10% of the diameter at DBH (4.5’) behind the entire face cut. Your hinge was way too small for a 29” tree should have been right at 3”. If you’re trying to preserve the wood maybe do a Humboldt notch like they do on the west coast. Glad you were safe. I would also love to see you felling with some chaps or saw pants. Know they are hot, but you looked to have a Husky 592 in your hand, it would not be a good day if it got into your legg. Stay safe.
I’ll be honest, I respectfully disagree with most of what you said.
I’m not new to this and this tree fell in the direction god intended because the hinge on the light side was to small.
After seeing the out come I would have jump cut or spur cut it. Hind sites 20/20 but that would have made more sense. As far as chaps or chainsaw pants, you won’t see me wearing them. I prefer movement to whatever safety they provide.
In the 14 years I’ve been in the timber business I’ve seen injuries, but none could have been prevented by chaps or hinges. I would argue chainsaw etiquette is important. I would bring up the danger of being intoxicated in the woods. Cables on skidders are pretty dangerous, as are sharp sticks made when cleaning saplings around a tree you’re going to cut. I could keep going on the list of dangers I think matter but this response is long enough.
6 inches of wasted wood is worth way less than your life. You cut it completely off the stump, and the top hitting other tops is what made it slid off the stump.
Thanks for the comment.
I don’t know who taught you but that isn’t how it’s done. I’ve seen 3 guys get killed by trees including my cousin and they were all professionals with decades of experience. Point being it’s dangerous enough without Dutchmen, shallow faces, cutting off the hinge and low back cuts. I don’t care what the tree is worth. You’re worth more to your family 🤷🏽♂️
I’m not sure how to respond to this. I think we fundamentally disagree on how to cut trees. I respect your right to your own opinion.
We definitely do! Stay safe 👍🏼
You too!
hi there WOW john
Hi
Why did you use such a small hinge? To keep wasted wood to a minimum?
Yes
I'm learning every day. Thank you for sharing this experience and your knowledge!
I love the name!
Glad ya liked the video!
Great video. Is the flare wood low on the stump less strong than say up 6 inches? I’m thinking the sap wood is thicker and less strong having less holding power. Asking because I’m in my arm chair and not a cutter. Great content
Sap wood had plenty of strength, but this type of walnut tree is ultra spongy and hinges break easy.
My only criticism would be to take more time. Sometimes it is a gradual thing that involves a careful inspection. You weren’t in the danger zone behind or in front. I saw the tree start to move and you stayed on the saw. Anytime I see movement, the saw comes out. Yes, we get tired or distracted or our mind is processing something else. Praise God you didn’t get struck. Stay safe brother!
I stay in cut until the last moment.
Thanks for sharing this ! I’m thankful for your safety !
Hey thank you!
Thanks for sharing this close call, it'll save someone
Your welcome!
Reading the comments to it’s apparent that people don’t understand what veneer cutting is all about.
That’s true!
Damn bud!! That was a close one. Glad you got out of the way! 😮
Only one step to safety. Lol
Thinking about all that wood your saving while making your cuts lol
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You can never ever be too vigilant!
That’s true!
Thanks for the post
Your welcome
When that tree slid back, i actually said whoa and reared back. I had a tree fall 90 degrees from the direction of my notch because i had unknowingly cut the hinge too thin on one side. Barber chaired one when my saw ran out of gas.
I’ve done that as well. Mistakes get made, that we’re safe preparation comes into play.
No fucking way I would do that , out of your minds!!!
lol,
I'm not passing judgement here, just asking a question. In your own estimation, was that notch deep enough or high enough for a tree of that size? If you had it to do over again, would you have made a bigger notch?
If I had to do it over again I would have spur cut this tree. I have a video about that if you’re not familiar.
The only part of the notch that matters to me is the width.
This trees hinge on the light side broke allowing the tree to fall sideways.
The notch literally didn’t come into play.
@@Good.Fellers - I admit to only felling trees using the most common and traditional techniques, but if you had a much deeper notch, higher up on the trunk, and then a normal back cut, wouldn't that mean there never was a hinge on the "light side" to break? I'm just trying to understand why you did all of these other steps instead of a normal hinge cut and back cut. Is the method you were using done to produce more board feet of wood, because it seems to be less safe, to me.
@jasonbroom7147 Safe is a funny word in this business. if I cut higher up I literally destroy the value of the tree.
@wulf67 No it’s literally on the first 10.
Damn ! Glad ur ok!! Dirty logs, price change? I worked with someone who put them on stone boat to keep clean. Haul out...ur safty pants, brand? Ty
No price change for dirty logs. My pants are just cargo pants from local big box store.
Thanks for sharing this. It’s important
Yes sir!
I didn’t see you do one thing correctly in falling that tree,if you did a normal humboldt about a foot and a half higher it would have been fine,so what if you wasted a tiny bit of wood.
lol, there’s nothing normal about a Humboldt in this region, cutting this type of wood.
I call this "Greed" cutting.
Well in that you are correct. Pure unadulterated greed.
I don't see a single thing done properly in this vidio. It should be used as an enumeration of 100% wrong actions.
Happily this guy is "taking care of security". I wonder how would he do if not paying attention to security.
Lol
He never looked up lol
Nope never
Great video, love the content as always & looking forward to more!
The way the tree jumped off that stump looked almost totally unpredictable, were there any warning signs that may happen that could’ve been observed or is it just luck of the draw sometimes how they fall?
A little luck of the draw, a little cutter error.
@@Good.Fellers thank you, very fascinating!
That tree sure tried to take you with it, glad that you were quicker & got to see another day. I’m greatly looking forward to watching the next upload!
@user-fn4ol5dl7x awesome, I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
Wow that was close I'm glad you didn't get hurt,I've had that happen to me before as well it's scary
Yeah buddy!
Safety is important, so I’m wearing my khakis.
Great Comment!!
Really liking these videos. Woods there don't look too much different than those here in n.c.
Glad ya like the videos.
Was there something holding the top a little? If not, an open face notch would have kept that from happening. When the notch closed up, that's when the slide happens. Saw was cutting good. And I do leave small tab hinges, never any problem. Good job though.
Just big side lean caused it to bust hinge and slide sideways.
No need to stab the heart with your long bar.
Also it was clearly the haste that caused the problem.
Take your time pal.
Lol
That will hurt a feller's feelings but life goes on 😊
Hurt my pride a bit.
Scared the cameraman, and the rest of us I suppose, but he still got the shot.
Yes, he did good!
Nicely done.
Thank you!
Good video
Appreciate you sharing your knowledge
Glad you like the video
this is a video that nearly covers everything you dont want to do in falling any tree.
Unless money is the objective lol
you're a wise man to remove trip hazards and secure escape paths.you could have lost that foot if you'd tripped on a gamble or vine.assessing the lean and judging the integrity of the timber by the shavings your saw throws out is so important too.never,ever let anyone rush you.if they don't understand I will walk away.so many amateurs want to tell you how to work,and should be politely ignored.I was working alongside another man,and noticed he had bud earphones in as was listening to loud metal.could hear the hum standing next to him.I went and started at the.opposite end of the woods.we are responsible for ourselves,and anyone in range,so it's so important to be spatially aware,whilst still concentrating on the task in hand.great work my friend,and I wish you all the best with your channel.maddog.aboricultalist.West cork.republic of Ireland.be safe and stay lucky.
Thank you sir!
Nice walnut with a rookie on the saw
Yep just started cutting
Not sure how anyone could 'fall' timber without a full wrap handle. No such saw use on the west coast
Full wrap keeps the saw higher up off the ground....no good. You west coasters are leaving 3' stumps.
@@jolkraeremeark6949 ... Might be 3 or 4' on the low side. It's easier on the neck looking up for safety when standing and we can't run on our knees like the flatlanders. LOL :>)
Great video
Thank You!
Gravity can be quite hateful...and deadly
Danger!
Hinge was too small .
👍
Man that saw is sharp!
Always my friend.
Broad canopy. I tell my friends that it can act like a kite or parachute.
I like that.
Every one makes mistakes..there are none good..no not one ,none
.stay safe ..god bless
God bless you as well!
@@wulf67 you are in the wrong conversation..fella...maybe rethink it...lscl information is ,?
as others said, respect for posting... but many of us see what you did wrong from the very start... even at the 5 min mark, wrong cutting...
My god what kind of notch is that
Beautiful
I think you are saying these old trees start to deteriorate even before they die.
I'm not sure what the force is that causes the butt to want to move. Is the tree pivoting on the center of gravity? I don't know why it would do that.
Edit. I have thought a little bit more about it. We are expecting the tree to fall sideways which is not natural. Gravity is pulling it straight down. If there is not another force to make it go sideways then it won't go sideways.
The force was the weight of the “top” of the tree.
The trees arnt deteriorating it’s just a better quality tree with more brittle fibers
Okay on the quality issue.
Okay on the treetop pushing it out. I did my edit after you did your two replies. Thanks.
Right on!
Glad you’re ok !!
Me too!
Oh my!
Oh yeah!
My man be careful
Definitely!!!
Wat state yal from? Ive noticed yal cut alot of nice Walnuts. Theres nice ones here but there far and few in between. 👍
Prefer not to say my friend.
How many times did you look up?
Thanks for the comment.
That was scary...
Stay safe !
Oh yeah, just part of the deal.
@@Good.Fellers yeah, we all know the risk.
Stay safe man !
The walnut i done was half of that walnut tree size right next to a garage it went down good but it was in a tight spot it could have made good boards but i cut it up and rolled the logs in his woods probably all rotted out by now
Right on
That EXCAT thing is how i got my right foot pinned an i couldnt move till elm tree fell to its lay. Really broke me up an scared me i was around 20 yr old..
What’s excat?
@@Good.Fellers Excatly how the elm tree that got my foot did im sorry I don't spell good.
@justinweaver8107 yeah it happens, I broke my foot 11 years ago on a white oak
@@Good.Fellers yes I been got a few times thank god im still here.
Cutting close to the ground and narow small notch. Notch closed and tree went off the stump. mybe just mybe you could prevent that if your back cut was half an inch or an inch above the notch.
Maybe
Can someone explain why fiber pull is bad for veneer wood?
The fibers pull and tear up the tree so when the log is sliced into veneer it torn or has wholes etc.
That’s crazy
Yeah!
Imagine if you were 2 feet to the left , safety first over money. Hope you never do that again, compromise the notch in order to save a little wood money.
Next time there won’t be a notch!
Crazy
Fun stuff
I also haven't seen such a small notch...shouldn't the bottom of the notch be at least horizontal? Btw...you make those small notches in every video....is it just a bad day, or a bad habit?😊
Small notches perfect valuable wood
@@Good.Fellers I bow to your experience most definitely, however if you don't live to cash that check or it costs you a foot or worse....yikes.
Scared man doesn’t make the money!
@@Good.Fellers that's why I'm broke😁
Lol
Wow. not good
Yup!
your undercut is too low exposing your chain to dirt and mineral soil
Having to file a chain for a tree of this value is definitely worth it.
Another great video glad everyone is okay keep your head up and eyes open stay safe out there
Thank you Jeff!
Saw is spitting powder instead of ribbons
Yeah it must be dull. Lol