if u ask is there anything soviet player could’ve done, yes, he popped tracked shots too late with second squad of guards, if the first squad of guards pop tracked at start of video, kt would in theory have a much harder time getting around the ruin which caused many misses with attack ground, with better penetration at closer range. but the real reason soviet lost is manpower drain, if only he still got a su-85 saved up, and if its a higher rank player might be doing that instead of reinforcing . Judging by state of german armor, soviet player might cracked after bomb rushing in with couple t3485, while at being decrewed by ober, with not much support from infantry, though it was good effort for a long war.
Honestly it was a desesperate engagement from the start and the KT bouncing the shells from vet0 and vet2 Zis gun isn't extraordinary quite the contrary... the Zis gun gets it +30% penetration at vet 3. + it has the worst penetration of all At guns (even the usf M1 57mm is better with Sabot Rounds ofc) *Zis gun isn't a great At gun* and the KT has the best frontal armor (aside from Elephant/Jagdtiger and Isu152)
Yeah that's the issue, So the Zis-Gun is the Soviet Dedicated AT-Weapon, and what follows in this video is probably one of the most ideal situations for a soviet player: A practically unsupported KT rolls over a mine in front of 2 vet 3 Guards and 2 AT guns, mark Target is applied to the KT and proceeds to kill everything, no vision tools or support weapons required. (because of spearhead) It's just a little sad that over 13 Shots are fired at it, from a units thats dedicated purpose is Anti-Tank and the Soviet player still doesn't stand a chance.... you see what I mean? Everything you said is correct but let me ask you this? What should the Soviet player have done? In terms of strategy at this point?
@@Rather.Splended.Cromwell Hi, He already lost... He has no tanks here at the 57 min mark; Im sure he lost them. For me this was a medium level game and this guy will almost always lose if he goes conscript vs okw...(aside from really good players who can manage to take great cover engagements and can also overwhelm OKW from the start, which is possible.) + merge into shocktroops is really good. (conscripts squad are more a defensive unit that main role is to absorb* the ennemy attacks and merge into healthier squads or spearhead units like shocks or assaul guard with their thompson sub machine guns.) - Zis gun is multiple tool unit (small artillery + AT), so it's an useful unit, but you should never completely depend on it. If you plan to go Guards vs OKW* (vs Ostheer it's another debate), then you shouldn't go for conscripts but direcly go Penals. (they are vastly superior in terms of dps up until Obers comes out) and if you need extra At, then upgrade one with 3 Ptrs, while guards button, the penals squad can put a satchel. (300 damage) you can always replace your losses by going 1 or 2 conscripts late game with their 7*th men upgrade that gives them +20% faster veterancy and -30% weapon cooldown behind cover.
@@darksidedelta so your saying, At this particular junction of the Game, there is nothing he can do? (Also its not a medium Rank game, its at least Top 120 players. )
@@Rather.Splended.Cromwell I mess my last comment a bit, sorry. No he couldn't do anything that he already did. Top 120 are mediums. Only Top 50 are good. But, that's more my "haughty" opinion.
@@darksidedelta That's less than 1% of the player base, I Think we can make a bit more room for other people lol. Sorry, What im saying is, the game Shouldn't reward you for making such an epic misplay (even if you are ahead) If Someone asked me how to kill a KT from a losing position, I'd probably suggest double AT guns, Mines and a vehicle debuff Like "mark Target". I feel like with all other factions there's a bit of wiggle room with come-backs, but with the KT in the mix its very difficult to come back with its High Armour values, especially with semi-low vet AT guns. Company of Heroes is practically a really fun game of rock paper scissors. But in games with this its more like Rock Paper scissors...... King Tiger.
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if u ask is there anything soviet player could’ve done, yes, he popped tracked shots too late with second squad of guards, if the first squad of guards pop tracked at start of video, kt would in theory have a much harder time getting around the ruin which caused many misses with attack ground, with better penetration at closer range. but the real reason soviet lost is manpower drain, if only he still got a su-85 saved up, and if its a higher rank player might be doing that instead of reinforcing . Judging by state of german armor, soviet player might cracked after bomb rushing in with couple t3485, while at being decrewed by ober, with not much support from infantry, though it was good effort for a long war.
Fun fact: Long ago KT used to have 425 armor they nerfed it to the current 375.
So bouncing was even more common.
I think he quit coh2 since than😂😂😂😂
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Honestly it was a desesperate engagement from the start and the KT bouncing the shells from vet0 and vet2 Zis gun isn't extraordinary quite the contrary...
the Zis gun gets it +30% penetration at vet 3. + it has the worst penetration of all At guns (even the usf M1 57mm is better with Sabot Rounds ofc)
*Zis gun isn't a great At gun* and the KT has the best frontal armor (aside from Elephant/Jagdtiger and Isu152)
Yeah that's the issue, So the Zis-Gun is the Soviet Dedicated AT-Weapon, and what follows in this video is probably one of the most ideal situations for a soviet player: A practically unsupported KT rolls over a mine in front of 2 vet 3 Guards and 2 AT guns, mark Target is applied to the KT and proceeds to kill everything, no vision tools or support weapons required. (because of spearhead) It's just a little sad that over 13 Shots are fired at it, from a units thats dedicated purpose is Anti-Tank and the Soviet player still doesn't stand a chance.... you see what I mean? Everything you said is correct but let me ask you this? What should the Soviet player have done? In terms of strategy at this point?
@@Rather.Splended.Cromwell Hi,
He already lost... He has no tanks here at the 57 min mark; Im sure he lost them.
For me this was a medium level game and this guy will almost always lose if he goes conscript vs okw...(aside from really good players who can manage to take great cover engagements and can also overwhelm OKW from the start, which is possible.) + merge into shocktroops is really good.
(conscripts squad are more a defensive unit that main role is to absorb* the ennemy attacks and merge into healthier squads or spearhead units like shocks or assaul guard with their thompson sub machine guns.)
- Zis gun is multiple tool unit (small artillery + AT), so it's an useful unit, but you should never completely depend on it.
If you plan to go Guards vs OKW* (vs Ostheer it's another debate), then you shouldn't go for conscripts but direcly go Penals. (they are vastly superior in terms of dps up until Obers comes out)
and if you need extra At, then upgrade one with 3 Ptrs, while guards button, the penals squad can put a satchel. (300 damage)
you can always replace your losses by going 1 or 2 conscripts late game with their 7*th men upgrade that gives them +20% faster veterancy and -30% weapon cooldown behind cover.
@@darksidedelta so your saying, At this particular junction of the Game, there is nothing he can do? (Also its not a medium Rank game, its at least Top 120 players. )
@@Rather.Splended.Cromwell
I mess my last comment a bit, sorry.
No he couldn't do anything that he already did.
Top 120 are mediums. Only Top 50 are good. But, that's more my "haughty" opinion.
@@darksidedelta That's less than 1% of the player base, I Think we can make a bit more room for other people lol. Sorry, What im saying is, the game Shouldn't reward you for making such an epic misplay (even if you are ahead) If Someone asked me how to kill a KT from a losing position, I'd probably suggest double AT guns, Mines and a vehicle debuff Like "mark Target". I feel like with all other factions there's a bit of wiggle room with come-backs, but with the KT in the mix its very difficult to come back with its High Armour values, especially with semi-low vet AT guns. Company of Heroes is practically a really fun game of rock paper scissors. But in games with this its more like Rock Paper scissors...... King Tiger.