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Anyone who thinks it’s not worth $60 doesn’t know better what they are getting into. What a relief for this remake to get a re-release because it counters the overpriced market for the GameCube version. Making this masterpiece of a game become way more accessible than ever on a huge selling Nintendo console.
The size and scope of the original was already comparable, if not greater than Color Splash and Origami King, both of which were $60 at launch, so I doubt someone playing for the first time would feel particularly shortchanged by the $60 price tag.
The question is, would someone who _isn't_ playing for the first time, and in fact still has their Gamecube copy feel shortchanged?
@@xxProjectJxx i have played this many times and i still have my gamecube copy, i have no problem paying 60 dollars for the remake.
@@miyamotomusashi6450 as do I. TTYD is one of my favorites as well, but for me, $60 is still too big of an ask when I can still re-experience this story and world without spending a dime.
You feel differently, and that's fine, but I'm sure you can also understand how someone else who still has the game may feel the same as I do.
This is definitely a remake. Not only is there new UI, characters and changes in dialogue(Bowser saying: "Lunkhead" instead of Airhead") but they didn't add anything to the title. If it was a remaster, they probably put HD in the title like Luigi's Mansion.
Changes in dialog are not evidence of a remake. This is a remake don't get me wrong. Evidence for: multi layered characters, new lighting engine as one can see in the comparison of Keehual Key and other stufff
A remake would also improve on outdated and clunky mechanics of the original. Few remakes like Destroy All Humans actually go out of their way to gut out problems by replacing them with brand new mechanics and balancing the game around them. Mario RPG from what I understand didn't add enough improvements from the OG and it really showed for me.
I enjoyed RPG for what it was but it still stunk like an SNES game and as someone who never played the OG, I didn't really enjoy it all that much apart from a few areas. I still prefer the OG Spiritual Successor of Superstar Saga on GBA over that remake. And I actually loved the Superstar Saga Remake apart from the remastered OST.
People are going to go bonkers when Paper Mario (4) on Switch 2 is revealed.
Paper Mario 3 hopefully (TTYD sequel)
Depending on where they take it.
@@FakeaugiePaper Mario 4. Super is Paper Mario 3.
Nah, stop this erasure. We need to remember the dark times to make sure we don't repeat them again. Sticker Star is Paper Mario 4, and the new one will be Paper Mario 7.
Yeah but it’s not going to just be another TTYD, there’s going to be new mechanics for sure and the story and characters will be so unfamiliar. It will be shocking kinda if they pull it off.
This game hasn't been available for retail purchase for aeound 20 years now. The only ways to play TTYD before the remake comes out now is to have the GameCube version, which can be expensive as hell depending on whose selling it 2nd hand, or to emulate it.
If I can get the game without having to spend several hundred bucks for a 2nd hand copy, or straight up pirating it, I'm paying the $60
Facts bro I was just lucky enough to find a copy at a retro game shop and it was still $100
nah nothing wrong from stealing from a mutli billion dollar company
@michaelcasey4248🤓🤓🤓
Ngl, I would pay $70 for this after seeing the GCN version emulated in HD.
So would I, but that doesn't mean it's worth it.
I think the remake will be worth it's price.
Great work on this video both of you! I totally agree with the sentiment!
Totally agreed that this new Switch release of TTYD is definitely a remake and what's somehow even more exciting is that its reception could decide how the next _Paper Mario_ game will be... a new story that continues the art direction of the newer titles as well as the direction of the first three games in most everything else... that could potentially be a promising future!
Everyone should be thankful that video games are one of the only things that hasn’t been touched by inflation over the years. New video games have always been $60
AAA has been $70 more and more frequently over the last few years
Things are $70 more often than before now so it's not really correct. Also, a lot of the high costs come from overinflated budgets than actual inflation. Lastly, it's a remake... it has a LOT to live up to in order to make that new game price worth it since you're essentially buying it again.
As someone who never played TTYD before but have really been wanting to, $60 won't be that much of an issue for me. But I also never played Mario RPG before and I got it at $60 and I didn't like that one as much as I wanted to because while it had some new stuff and QoL improvements, it was still the exact same SNES game with the issues of one to boot. Remakes are the perfect opportunity to fix a lot of issues the OG had and RPG didn't do enough to iron them all out for sake of faithfulness.
If TTYD takes a similar approach to the way Destroy All Humans 1 and 2 approached their remakes, $60 would be SO WORTH IT. Because DAH 1 and 2 not only gave us the same game, but it also changed so much to make the overall experience so much better. Totally reworked combat and mechanics, new abilities, new missions that were cut from the OG, newly recorded dialogue from the original main cast of actors mixed with old recorded dialogue from the OG, it was perfection. Both even added cosmetic customization for Crypto and added replayable missions and mission Challenges!
@@TheGravityShifter New games have been steady around 50-70$ through the years, assuming you’re not buying a delux version or anything. Of course certain games are more expensive, but they have stayed around $50-$70 within the past 20 years, basically untouched by inflation. I mean, Zelda ocarina of time was selling at $79.99 on release and that was almost 30 years ago. If we had adjusted for inflation rate, the same $80 game would be $145 today. A $60 game would be around $100 today if inflation had touched them. All I’m saying is be thankful games were not affected by that rate of inflation because almost everything else was haha.
@@adameverill9945 It doesn't matter the math when first off more and more games are becoming $70 as base AAA Standard in the US (not counting how expensive they are in other Countries). Especially when everything else around games are a lot more expensive now. This basically makes $60 games today more expensive than $60 games were before the Pandemic.
I'm looking forward to the game but I won't pretend $60 isn't steep to some level for Remake Standards.
@@adameverill9945 The math doesn't matter when everything else around it like food, rent, bills, etc. are a lot more expensive due to inflation. The $70 increase was to push for more profit due to all these years of AAA prices being the same. But today in a Post-Pandemic world where we're looking at Recession in the face? Now that you have to spend even more for essential stuff, that's less money left over for games, effectively making $60/$70 more expensive than $60/$70 before the Pandemic. So while the price hardly changed on its own, $60/$70 has become a lot more valuable.
I'm very much looking forward to TTYD and I don't mind getting it full price since I never owned it originally anyway and I'd like to own a copy where my money will go to Nintendo instead of a 3rd Party Seller asking for an arm and a leg for an old GC copy. But I won't pretend $60 isn't asking a lot even for a Remake since it'll basically be the same game that'll most likely be faithful to a fault.
even though i would love to have a actual sequal of ttyd of some sorts after this i think a remake of perp mario 64 would also be sexy as hell
Nah fam a remake of SPM would go hard as hell
TL:DR version probably
It keeps you from spending a fortune on the original version in case you don't own it.
Also unlike the classic version you will be able to play it on bigger LED screens without issue or adapters that by themself also cost a small fortune
I mean honestly if you don't already own a GC or a GC compatible wii and the game you're in for quite a steep entrance fee with the game being worth $150-$300 and the console $20-$100 needing a memory card, controller and a GC to HDMI adapter with decent quality. At the point you're willing to pay all of that you might rather get a new switch and the game and pay roughly the same. For a hopefully even better experience (I mean sure wait for the reviews from people like Kappy or Arlo to confirm the quality but if they approve, you'll be better off on that end)
Sure, but I don't think that people who don't own the original were ever in question, y'know? If you don't own TTYD, then, yeah. This is the most accessible way to play it. Of course it's worth the asking price.
Is it worth it if you _do_ still have the original? That's the real question. And, really, the answer is going to be dependent on who you ask, but $60 is steep. We don't have enough detail on the new content to answer, IMO.
@@xxProjectJxx well you'll usually only pay 60 on nintendo's store, Amazon and alot of dealers sell it for cheaper, I've preordered one of my copies for 50. In any case I do think portabillity, remade graphics/soundtrack a few qol features, glitch fixes and possible new content is worth at least 50 bucks if you enjoy the game
Just wait till they release Paper Luigi: the marvelous compass DLC
I hope they do release a Luigi Adventure DLC, but I keep my expectations in check just in case.
The purple toad could be used for online battles against other players or some other online mode
A lot of younger gamers seem to think people only like TTYD and criticize the newer games due to nostalgia blindness. This remake will remove a lot of that ignorance from the discussion.
As someone who owns every paper mario game I can confirm that is not true. Its because people keep over hyping ttyd and saying its perfect. The other classic paper mario games don't get that much praise making them more enjoyable because you're not forcing yourself self to enjoy it.
@@Super_star_remixIt may not be true for your experience, but there are still many people who genuinely believe that older games in general are worse than new games and that the people who enjoy them do so out of nostalgia.
OP meant that this remake will prove that it’s not nostalgia why we love this game; its mechanics, its story, and its world is why we love it.
I’m sorry that the game wound up feeling overhyped for you, but that’s the result of people’s actions (including yours) and not the game’s fault
No, it’s because Thousand Year Door has many flaws that people ignore. Most people don’t notice tons of major flaws because it was likely the first (and only) RPG they played. Games like Super Paper Mario are just as good, but people are more likely to point out flaws because they played many 2D Mario games before.
@@kumaranrvn5716 As much as I love TTYD the game has one fatal flaw. Backtracking is brutal
@@kumaranrvn5716 >Acting like Thousand-Year Door has more flaws while acting like Super Paper Mario has no flaws.
Yesterday I preordered the game because I know I'm going to love it
hope they make harder mode like hero mode did with badges, double hp double damage that was a great idea, mayb a boos rush mode after the story
As someone who has never played but watched TTYD, I would be surprised if it WASN'T worth $60
I cant wait to finally play ttyd. I played all the other ones but it was too expensive. I still think that this is a joke from nintendo though.
If anyone says it's not worth $60 dollars, make them look at what ttyd goes for used online and I bet you they'll change their mind.
What's really interesting is how much the new graphical style almost makes it look like an Origami King successor...looks great though! Am happily paying full price for this insane masterpiece
I'd pay $100 for this game honestly. But it just holds a special place in my heart and I've never been more excited for a game in a very long time.
I’m so confused, I already pre-ordered it for £50. Is it like different cost for different countries?
Yes, here in america its $60
Pretty sure it's $70 for Canada which sucks
In Germany it’s 49,99 euros.
Id pay 100 + an extra 100 for the pit of trials + another 200 to get to unlock the last chapter
I think of it like music. A beatles song remaster enhances the original song (Metroid prime R), while a remix takes the song in a new direction, like genre (FFVIIR)
TTYD hasn't released so I can't say for sure, but it seems like they're staying true to the OG direction. The purpose of the changes seem to be an enhancement. So I'd say it's a remaster IMO, but who really cares lol
I'd probably pay $60 even if this was just a staightforward port
Here in Germany it went down from 59,99 euros to 49,99 euros, dunno how much that’s in dollars though.
Already preordered
It's worth $60 simply because the Gamecube original is going for $150+ CIB on secondhand markets.
I've already pre-ordered the game myself and I'm already prepared to play it on the go! 👍🏻
In regards to the game quality being worth $60, i'd say that whether the game is a port or remake is irrelevant- The base game is substantial enough to be worth $60, even if it were just a regular port. If it costed $40 at the time- then it was worth 7.8 hours of minumum wage in 2004 ($5.15 an hour) Currently, in the 30 states with the lowest minimum wage, a $60 game is worth 8.3 hours ($7.25 an hour) Overall $60 games are only half an hour worth of extra time at work compared to 2004 games and this is in the States with the *LOWEST* minimum wage- mind. Perhaps it feels like a lot more though, because we can't guarantee that a parent, guardian or friend will buy the game for us outright- and everything else we need to buy was hit by inflation soooo much worse. Though for the later point- i'd argue that the modern price of games has nothing at all to do with this- it's literally just every other industry that's gotten unreasonably pricey.
It's not the $60 games that got too expensive- It's the overall cost of living that's been getting too expensive, and the overall difficulty it takes to even find the $60 or 8 hours that don't need to be spent on something else that's an absolute necessity, and even when you do have that covered- the remaining is competing with a whole lot of other things you may be interested in buying.
An example of a remake to me is Xenoblade Chronicles for Switch compared to its Wii original.
Yeah it's worth $60 cause the Gamecube ver is like doubled the price to buy so Idk why people are complaining.
Hello, can we get some nice cooking shows on your channel? 😅
Go to an actual cooking show, this is a gaming and review channel.
@@ptanker9236 you know it’s an inside paper Mario joke right?
@@NitwitsWorld I don’t get it.
@ptanker9236 dang 😞
It's worth noting, that what qualifies as a "Remake" or a "Remaster" is a lot different now since Final Fantasy VII Remake, and Resident Evil games took "Remake" and used it in a way that wasn't just. "Build the game with brand new assets that we make from scratch." They did it by completely redesigning the levels and core game-play to approach the original story beats in a brand new way.
IMO as much as I feel that Paper Mario TTYD Switch is ABSOLUTLEY worth the price- I would call it a Remaster, as there is a difference between a Lion King 2-pack DVD set with special features, games and an Easter egg hunt- and a completely brand new telling of Lion King with different actors, different script, different art style and a different way to go through a story. (For context, I freakin' loved those Disney 2-pack dvds. and I would *OBSESS* over those extra features. So this is absolutely not a dig at TTYD.)
Idk. It feels like if we call a game a Remake just for having new assets, and cinematic tricks and maybe just a handful of new features and QoL updates- then there's not a whole lot that actually separates what a remake is from what a Remaster is.
I deeply appreciate the work it takes to make brand new assets and it looks beautiful here, but if they are only there to be more atmospherically and cinematically appealing- then they are functionally playing the same role as the quick up-rezing or texture change that you'd get in any other Remaster- even if it is a vastly superior and more stunning way of doing it.
the game is absolutely worth $60. It might not have been priced that way in the past, but a remake with significantly better graphics and on a more powerful system will always cost more money
It’s already $60
I'm not surprised. World economy is dead.
We need to support this. They are genuinely putting love and care into this version that they could've just given us a port or remaster with updated graphics. If we want more paper mario games like this, we have to tell nintendo with our dollars that this is what we want more of as a consumer base. Money talks more than reviews or discussion alone
Because its worth it. Nintendo knows how significant this game is
I saw the oriiginal game being sold these days for more than 70+ usd. . If you don'twant play the original with mods I'd say go for the remaster.
The fact this game is 30fps is disastrous.
The fact that the original had much weaker animations with a higher framerate shows how little they did with it.
At least it's not like the original version of Bowser's Inside Story which had 0 idle animations and solo excellent attacks were as difficult as superguards.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 animations are less important to me than controller responsiveness, though both are very valuable I will admit
@@enny7377 And how would you be able to tell how responsive the controls are? You'd have to play both versions back-to-back.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 I've... Played the original multiple times. It's not like I'll just forget how it feels to handle.
@@enny7377 Ask yourself: how much would you be complaining about the issues caused by the framerate if you didn't understand framerates themselves?
This was so frustrating to listen to. The difference between a remake and remaster ia REALLY simple. Did they start from scratch and build the entire game from nothing? it's a remake. Did they use the base game and replace/ enhance models/ textures? It's a remaster..they could replace every single asset with brand new ones, but if they're using the original base game, it's still a remaster.
No reason they shouldn't charge $300 for all Mario and Zelda games. People will buy it up anyway.
It's 30 fps & the old one was 60. They should charge 1 dollar for each frame per second it can hit 🤣
fr though, it's not worth $60. The original was $40. Stop enabling Nintendo to be scumbags
The original didn't have nearly as many unique animations or expressions as this.
The og is now 300 on ebay, id rather pay 60 for this majorly improved remake
not worth 60 if you played it already