And after watching this, I'm finally all caught up, and anxiously waiting to see Colour Splash and Origami King. At least those last two Paper Hearts can't be as difficult as this one. Also, since these videos are how I discovered your channel, I wanna say that it's been really fun so far, and I'm glad I did!
I'm very happy you found the channel, and that these videos were how you got started. I'm excited for you to see the final two chapters once those finally release!
Sticker Star may've been mediocre, but the concept of collecting stickers could've been so interesting. Like, imagine an area somewhere in Decalburg/Toad Town where a small group of sticker enthusiasts hang out at, wanting to collect the most rare, never-before-seen stickers imaginable. You could probably even trade stickers with them! Although, they wouldn't accept common or worn out stickers and Thing stickers could only be viewed by them, not traded as that would defeat the purpose of Thing stickers being seen as "one-of-a-kind" in their eyes if you came back with a duplicate after giving one away. Although one thing I'm *really* disappointed about is that in European territories if you registered your copy of Sticker Star you'd get an actual sticker book filled with numerous stickers. Unfortunately you had to be a Club Nintendo member to get a copy and they only made 10,000 of them. Nintendo Power readers had a small taste of what European territories got, as included in the November 2012 issue there were stickers of a Shell, Eekhammer, Boot, Hammer, Mushroom, Frog Suit and Fire Flower as well as two stickers of Mario and a sticker of the game's logo. On pages 27, 29, 31 and 33 you had to choose a specific sticker which worked best with the hint seen on the side of the page. Except for the last page which took up the entire page just to promote Sticker Star (again) and required two stickers rather than one.
Oh yeah, definitely! There was a lot of potential with the concept of stickers, and I recently came up with the idea that they could have been used like badges. You would then have to do a minigame where you have to sort them and you can only use whatever you can fit in your album, similar to the item suitcase in RE4 or the abilities in Kid Icarus Uprising, with BP upgrades increasing the size of your album.
Sticker Star may have caused me so much vitriol, but it was fun watching your take on it and getting more entertainment out of it because i was so curious how it'd tie into your retrospective storyline so much cx
Thank you so much! Figuring out what to do with my story was tricky, but I have a new direction now, and I think by the end of the retrospective it will have a satisfying end.
To be fair to the character design in this game, there was a whole lawsuit thing about the Sonic comics where one of the writers created a lot of original characters for the comic. Later, he copyrighted the work he did on the comic, but Sega was still reprinting the comics with them. So, the comics filed a lawsuit against him for breach of contract. I don't know exactly how this happened, and it's probably way too long to put in a TH-cam comment but sega lost that lawsuit . But after that, a lot of stuff changed with the comics. For example, Sonic isn't allowed to directly lose and show strong emotions anymore, you aren't allowed to use some characters anymore, and most importantly, the characters aren't allowed to look too different from their normal design and the comic had to be rebooted. Paper Mario: Sticker Star came out around the time when all of this was happening, and I think they decided to approach the character design the way they did because they didn't want to have this happening to their boy Mario. But it's not like they ever said that that is the reason it's just some stuff I heard from other fans of the Sonic comics who also like Paper Mario Im not saying that it excuses everything else this game dose bad but just something intresting to think about edit: ok im watching the next video in the series now and I have to say that this comment would have been better there since you directly talk about it not being possibel to have unique characters any more but its hear now
15:13 Hooo boy, you do not want to go there. Tippi is a wonderful character that is genuinely good at guiding you and a good person with a deep story to her. Kersti is unlikable, uninteresting, extremely rude, not useful and worst of all, she always says that she's a lady, she can't fight, Mario always needs to protect her after she started a fight with a group of goombas. We have other female characters in the Paper Mario games like Bombette, Lady bow, Watt, Goombella, Vivian and so on.
The funny thing is, there's a TH-cam channel called CloudConnection who made a retrospective about the Paper Mario franchise and, in his video about Sticker Star, he called Kersti a "cool character", saying she's "feisty and sassy". Now don't get me wrong, I agree with most of the other points he makes in the retrospective, but that is one I strongly disagree with. Characters like Lady Bow or Goombella are actually feisty and sassy, Kersti is just a completely dislikable bitch.
@@Goomba1309 I think that she's talking directly to the player about using too many stickers on bosses even if you use ones to get you a perfect bonus. Even when you lose everything in that one level, she yells at Mario asking what he was doing and yells at him again about how she got taken by the scuttle bugs and there is not ONE genuine thank you from her.
I had such a similar experience playing the game for the first time. I was so completely caught up in the fact that I was playing a new Paper Mario game that I didn't realize I hated it until I was finished with it. My entire playthrough I was actively handwaving away all the problems it had because I was desperate to like it. Then upon finishing it, I felt nothing. I wrote a short blog post about how it was a hollow experience, but in my mind, it was just a boring 7/10 nothing of a game that didn't even really warrant being talked about. But my dislike of the game grew tremendously when the follow-ups came out. That the team decided to make sequels to Sticker Star rather than TTYD or SPM in spite of it barely being a video game was so infuriating that all the flaws I papered over (hah!) while playing it in the past were no longer excusable anymore. I don't think people are unfairly harsh to Sticker Star. It is a legitimately terrible video game that an entire fanbase was Stockholm Syndromed into believing was a 7/10 (a low bar on its own) because it had turn based battles in it. The disgust for the game being so massive now isn't unjust; this is exactly what we and reviewers SHOULD have said at release. We just didn't realize how big of a deal it was that the game was so bland and boring until the follow-ups came out and all we could say is "at least it's better than Sticker Star."
Can I ask: why the hell would you give a "boring nothing" game a 7/10? 7/10 is a good score. Not an excellent one, but absolutely a good score. Sorry, its just really annoying when people trest 7/10 as an average.
Unfortunately no. I don't think anyone was expecting him of all people to end up being a controversial figure. I've made sure to remove any future references to him, and when I ultimately compile all 6 Paper Mario videos into a whole, I'm going to remove any segments that acknowledge him.
before i watch this im simply gonna say this game SUCKSSSSSS WHY DOES IT EXISTTTT everything was so perfect until it started EXISTINGGGG. why does it have to be an influential bad game its not like this games reception is positive. if their reasoning for switching direction to this piece of shit was cuz SPM had mixed reception WHY DID THEY NOT SWITCH DIRECTION AFTER THIS ONE. theres no excuse for the laziness literally none. i hope we are entering a renaissance for this series now with the new announcements
I also have history with this game. I played the original trilogy and loved them, then got this one… and just had fun with it. No special nostalgia or reasoning, just enjoyed the battles and had fun with it. Not to say it’s GOOD, since hindsight? Yeah, makes the game’s flaws in design very apparent. Everything about combat is counterintuitive with the game’s design, the characters are either bland, copy-pasted Toads or Mario characters with not much interesting to say, I didn’t even KNOW the Things had action commands in my first playthrough… I could give this game the riot act same as anyone else, since the game is poorly designed. But I want to take a few seconds just to… be a little nice. Since I’m pretty relaxed with media and it takes a lot for me to HATE something. And I feel like too often the conversation is just about the bad here. I’m still not gonna defend the game, but it does a few things right. There’s some good music, the occasional good joke, it’s not broken or glitchy, and that is incredibly important to me. Perhaps the faintest praise I can give is the return of turn based combat shows the developers TRIED to give fans something closer to what they wanted, and that effort is appreciated, even if the execution was bad in the end. And I did have fun the first time through, and that counts for something, in my eyes. I’ll admit, I struggled to think of anything nice to say there, so it’s not hard to see why this game has the reputation it does. But with where the series is now and with what came after, I can just… you know, ignore this game.
I definitely agree that Sticker Star seems to be the focus of a lot of negativity, and that aspect of the Paper Mario series and its fandom has been rather frustrating in more recent times. I think many of these opinions and critiques stem from a valid place, but at the same time, it tends to feel like beating a dead horse. The internet tends to reward negativity. While I definitely didn't want to shy away from the aspects of this game that upset or frustrated me, I also didn't want to spend a ton of time focusing on that, which is why this is the shortest video in this series. I think I'm just ready to move on from this game and focus on the future of the series. Now that I'm in the early stages of the Origami King video, I'm very excited about it, plus we have a TTYD remake on the way, so I feel that it's time to put this discourse to bed.
Honestly, for being meant to be streamlined, this game certainly made a name for itself for being cryptic. With you needing specific things at specific times, and most bosses being very hard without the right thing(s)
Dang sis, you hit it right on the nose. Would seriously doubt the paper aesthetic would have gotten so much flack had the core gameplay stuck to its roots. Very much of the opinion that Sticker Star, Color Splash, and OK looked amazing. Just wish their combat wasn’t poo 😑 Btw having such an amazing time watching your vids! Can’t wait for the next ^O^
Thank you so much! Apologies for the delay in responding to comments. I've been dealing with a lot in my personal life, but I'm quite a ways into the production of the Color Splash video, so hopefully you won't have to wait too much longer.
@@ZillennialRosa All good JJ! With the amount of love and effort put into these videos it’s worth the wait! Please take care of yo self and sending positive vibes 💕
I just replayed Sticker Star and you know what is sad? It has good parts imo, it has some genuinely cool dialogue but for all the good it has, it's buried under tedium and confusing af puzzles On a first playthrough without a guide, you'd be so confused on what to do and where to go Kersti SOMETIMES gives hints but rarely
As someone whose first game was sticker star (and i was a kid), i did NOT know these bosses had weaknesses. I enjoyed the game nevertheless, but i really bruteforced them all. I did like the themes, but boy i hated some parts still... (ice cream cone in 4-1 made me google for the first time)
sticker star was my second in the series, first being super for the Wii it was a game I loved to play since I got it, as time went on tho I never lost the love for it, but I did learn about the other much better games, and now it's a game that I love to hate on, it's a fun and dumb game I like to go back to and smile about how bad it is
I actually dislike this game the least out of the modern games. They tried something new for the series, and it didn't work. I resent Color Splash and Origami King more, even if they're technically better games, because they feel like Nintendo doubling and tripling down.
That's a fair perspective to have. I put it at the bottom of the later trilogy simply because it makes me feel very little when I revisit it. Color Splash and especially PMOK had a lot that I appreciated and enjoyed. The weird limitations around characters are still infuriating and confusing, but to me (specifically with PMOK) the other elements were able to make up for that. I'll have a lot more to say once I put out my videos on the next 2 games.
@@ZillennialRosa Color Splash, I didn’t ask for Sticker Star 2 and to have an even more lengthier game than Sticker Star, and give me an OST that constantly puts me to sleep meaning I could only pick up *A* paint star and needed a nap afterwards, honestly I play a Mario game to be entertained not to be put asleep. It didn’t help they brought back the Sticker Style gameplay and overly complicate the card mechanic. If you were gonna go cards you should’ve gave us categories of cards like Card Decks that separate into 4 decks Jump, Hammer, Item, Things. If you were running outta cards from the deck then you could pick up cards from battle or simply use the gained coins to buy new card decks. Than give me a more jumpier ost that makes me excited than the game would’ve been better than Sticker Star for me.
The last decade or so has been filled with nothing for me but "DO NOT TRUST" whenever Nintendo has come up. Games like Sticker Star and Metroid: Other M are why.
I think the Switch era instilled me with more hope for their more neglected franchise, but it hasn't been perfect, and it took quite a while for Paper Mario to start getting that love again but on Switch.
@@ZillennialRosa I think it's mainly nostalgia for me, I can definitely see why people dislike it though. I've barely played the first one, got to the shy guy toy box. I think it's mainly because I played the other games first that it feels weird. I don't hate it tho
31:19 My first game in the series was Thousand Year Door, and I still liked Sticker Star. Sure, it's hollow and isn't as varied as the previous games, and it's the least good game in the series, but that doesn't make it a bad game, and I enjoyed my time with it. I liked the part where you could bring that one sepia-toned Toad back to life by Paperizing a picture of them. The final level in World 4 being a Shy Guy theme park was fun (Mizzter Blizzard Best Boss in Sticker Star, don't @ me). I liked helping out a Wiggler clear out a poisonous swamp so he could chill and be a butterfly. Figuring out that the Tower Power Pokey was weak to Bats because of the stadium-shaped arena was really fun. And this was the first time that Bowser Jr. and Kamek make their appearance in Paper Mario, and they were a treat to enjoy. My outlook on this game used to be a lot more negative, until one day when I was in my high/middle school marching band, and this one kid was playing Sticker Star on his 3DS. I went "You know that game is bad, right?" and he said "What do you mean?", so I explained some of the issues people had with the game. After that, he told me two words that changed my perspective on the game forever: "So what?" As soon as I stopped hoping for Sticker Star to magically turn into SPM or TTYD, and considered it for the stuff that it offered, I felt less negative about it. It might be cryptic, or have boss battles that require Things to beat (for the most part), or be pretty shallow in its presentation, story, characters, combat, and design... but I still enjoyed my time with it. It's a solid 7/10.
On a technical level, the game does do a lot well. Missed potential and opportunities aside, the game, for me at least, is weighed down by a myriad of decisions that make playing the game far more frustrating and annoying. I will always be happy for anyone who could look past that and have a good time with it.
this was my 2nd game in the series and the first one i beat and honestly i liked it in isolation from the rest its a decent game, however when compared to its predecessors it hold nothing other than the banger soundtrack and its puzzles being slightly less cryptic than those in super paper mario.
I can understand it being enjoyable in isolation, but when played in quick succession as I've done for this retrospective, it makes the flaws stand out so much more. I'm surprised you thought SPM had more cryptic puzzles. I maybe had to use a guide once when playing SPM, whereas I needed one at least 2 or 3 times for every chapter in Sticker Star (after the first chapter anyways).
I justified Sticker Star's mediocrity as being a handheld off-shoot. It was alright when I lowered my expectations. But then Color Splash followed and I realized how doomed we were. :(
@@ZillennialRosa I still can't believe it. This remake has to sell insanely well so Nintendo is forced to make more sequels in the same vein as 64 and TTYD!
@@Erosis I think Nintendo is expecting a lot for this since they closed out the direct on it. It's the big thing everyone is talking about from the direct, so I imagine that will translate into good sales numbers
I hold the "it's not supposed to be literally about paper" argument against the art style. I reached my limit in Origami King when I had to fight a literal box of colored pencils after a chapter full of fighting origami. Which of these options for a climactic boss fight sounds the least interesting? A Mario-themed parody of the teenage mutant ninja turtles, a dragon terrorizing the local town that ate your party member's father, a robot built by an ancient race to protect a relic needed to prevent the destruction of all worlds, or a box of fucking colored pencils? Like, seriously?? What the fuck?? Under what context in ANY fictional universe is the villain of the first act a fucking box of colored pencils? It is literally impossible for me to give a shit about this "character". The "paper" part of Paper Mario has been pushed so far that it has taken complete priority over all other parts of the game. At least Big Goomba and Morton are "Mario" bosses. But we have reached such a low point that "Paper" is the focus, while "Mario" is an afterthought. It used to be the other way around. Video is great. Just explaining my reasoning on why the emphasis on the paper art style is a problem. It is cannibalizing the rest of the game.
I'll definitely talk about the ways the next 2 games use paper and craft gimmicks when I get to them, since they do lean into it the hardest and use them as a crutch to navigate the rule of not being allowed to create new characters.
I don't want this comment to be too long, so I'm gonna say everything I want to and hopefully crunch it down to make as short and simple as possible. So, I'm relatively new to this channeland I saw you Mario Party 8 video as my introduction to your channel and this was after you changed your channel to how it is now, but I like your content both ways before and after said changes. I first came as this series back when I used to watch Chuggaconroy's playthrough of Super Paper Mario, the only part I remember aside from Bowser's Arms being the funniest compilation, is when he played as Peach in Castles Bleck between Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 and thought this game looked awesome even though I had only been a Mario fan for 4 years at that time. When I asked my Mum if I could have SPM, she went to game but couldn't find a copy so instead she bought a pre-owned copy of Sticker Star. Since I was more into gameplay over story as a child, I enjoyed the heck out of this game and this was before I found out about the fact everyone was at each others throats, arguing why the old and new are better than the other. Ever since then I've played all of the games, as well as the Mario & Luigi RPGs, Mario + Rabbids game and I plan to play the Mario RPG Remake too. And sometimes I think about how much I hate being on the side that gets hate thrown at then, when the older games weren't perfect either. I'm enjoying the story you've made for this retrospective, it definitely makes you stand out and it reminds me of "hatwearinggamer" who also had a narrative when he made his Mario and Luigi retrospective 4-6 years ago, though if I'm being honest, I did find it a bit cheesy and on the nose that in order to continue the story by using a Paper Heart from "another dimension where this game is actually good", and I understand that this game has many flaws, my bias to this game as my fisrt Paper Mario ever, will prevent me from hating it. But maybe in a decade or something, I might truly see it for it's unworthiness as a Paper Mario installment and wish Kensuke Tanabe had never taken the reins of the series hostage, but for now I still like this game to this day and that won't change at the moment. I understand that everyone has different opinions about things and that's what makes us human, but I still wish people on both sides could find a way to get along for once and stop pointlessly arguing about how this series should and shouldn't be... Also there's another TH-camr who is also making a Paper Mario retrospective of his own thanks to this game, his name is "The Red Guy", I don't know if you know him, so that's why I'm mentioning him here. And I'm also watching Chuggaconroy's videos about Sticker Star as well. Sorry again if this was too long to read, but as someone who mostly grew up and still enjoys the modern Paper Mario games, I do also have fun with the classic trilogy to the same extent. I accept that you don't like Sticker Star and I respect your opinion on this game. Also, I know I can't convince you that Colour Splash and Origami King are better since they're are basically the same as SS, but I can't wait to see how you wrap up the retrospective as well as the your story in a nicely wrapped bow and I wonder if you'll do an Epilouge to your journey as well. Two things I am curious about are: 1. What would your plans for reviews of future Paper Mario games released after the Origami King review and the retrospective are finished be? 2. If remakes of Super, SS, CS and TOK were made in the style of 64 and TTYD, what would your reaction to that be and would you re-review these games if that happened? I plan to get a job at Intelligent Systems one day and make my own Paper Mario game with travelling through time being my choice for a mechanic, but I don't want people to be mislead about what kind of time travel I'm reffering to as I want to give every chapter it's own identity just like the first 3 games did, but also the time travel gimmick to be unique for all of them as well. Anyway, that's all I wanted to say. However, if there more I want add, I just edit this comment later even though you may not see if I do that. I hope you have fun wrapping up this retrospective, wish you luck with beating the last two games and getting the remaining Paper Hearts to stop "Sinister Dude" and find someway to revive CC (RIP for now). I will watch the other two reviews when they come out. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜🖤
Thank you for the comment. My opinions on CS and PMOK may not be what you're expecting given my opinions on SS, but I guess you'll just have to wait and see what I have to say once I finish the retrospective series in the next couple chapters. 1. For any future Paper Mario Games (like the upcoming TTYD Remake that was just announced today) I would most likely make a smaller video reviewing the game in question. I may end up creating a dual review discussing both the Mario RPG Remake as well as the TTYD Remake, but I likely wouldn't continue with any lore since I'm trying to make Chapters 1-6 of the retrospective a self-contained and complete story. 2. I think SS would need a massive amount of overhauling, since my issues with it extend beyond the battle system, and I think it would be sort of pointless to redo CS or PMOK. I won't speak to this at this time since I have yet to discuss these games in depth for my series retrospective, but if any new Paper Mario games do release in the future, as long as I'm still making videos on this channel, I will definitely be sure to cover it in a video. I've already recorded gameplay for CS and PMOK, so now all I need to do is finish up my scripts so I can continue production on the videos. I'm planning to go big with these, and hopefully not take too long, but I hope they will be worth the wait. Thank you for watching and commenting, and I wish you all the best of luck with your future endeavors!
While I never played the game, I can say this. Sticker Star, and by extension, modern Paper Mario, is more consistent than Ratchet and Clank 2016 ever was. That R&C game, while more servicable on the surface, becomes like Back 4 Blood where it missed what made the original work the closer you pay attention. At least Sticket Star knows what it's being and becomes that game. And also, Sonic Frontiers, regardless of one's thoughts, proves that going a bit crazy and original with ideas doesn't hurt at all. As long as the writers know what they're making.
I'm so weird about this game , I like have a genuinely love for this game and can't seem to hate it but I know how bad of a game it is , like how do I explain that this is one of my favorite paper Mario games that I've played. I'm so conflicted on this game lol.
I admitted that this game does have its fans, and I'm genuinely happy that you were able to find joy within it. I definitely wouldn't want to take that away from you. I am curious if you grew up with this game though.
@ZillennialRosa it was actually my second paper mario game in fact , it was a xmas gift for me and i never got to finish the game fully , had a break from it for about year and a half and went back to it and almost 100% it i never had that much fun in my opinion for a while
adding more to this but god its been so fucking hard for me to enjoy both the first paper mario games , 64 just dosen't grip me and feels too understimulating for me autism same with TTYD , I'm hoping to pick it up when I have a switch again so I can experience it then on " legal means " ( emulator )
2:39 you kinda have 2 references that i know of (1 your Name Lady Reminds me of Lady from T&F (That stands for Thomas and Friends) and 2 when you said Live and Learn, I Remembered Sonic Adventure 2 whennyou said that)
Ahh, sticker star, a game so terrible that Nintendo looked at this game and was like "lets use this as the baseline of the series moving forward thanks to the amazing sterilization of our characters."
looking forward to TTYD-make! as a self proclaimed Color Splash fan, the formula could work, it *does* work if actual effort is put into it, but they put zero thought into anything in Sticker Star and it shows
I find Sticker Star the least odious of the three. I am a first-three-games purist, but I guess I hated SS the least for a few minor reasons. One of the more unfair reasons was that when I first played SS, for a good quarter of the game, I still had hope that it would get better. I didn't know that it wouldn't develop. So for that simple reason, it gets some points. I enjoyed the first quarter out of ignorance. It also gets some slack because it's a mobile game. For being on the 3DS, it was OK. CS came out on Wii U, which was Nintendo's most misguided time. TOK came out on Switch, a console that's home to Odyssey, BotW/TotK, and LM3, so it has no excuse for being as lackluster as it is. SS has an excuse. I did like the music and visuals, though not as much as the first three games. And I did kinda like some of the locals. The areas in CS were, to me, utterly unmemorable and inconsistent in theming. But SS had the snow mansion, the pyramid levels with the toad heiroglyphs, Surfshine Harbor, the poison river. They're all relatively bland, but still better to me than what CS had to offer. TOK had the best locals of the three, but SS at least did better than CS. Plus stickers worker better than cards and paint. They just did. But yeah, besides that, I hated everything else about SS. Its devotion to corporate whitewashing in an effort to "streamline" the experience and make more accessible to casuals single-handedly ruined the series. It's as bland as plain oatmeal. Wasn't even close to being as good as its 3DS contemporaries such as Mario 3D Land and Dark Moon and MK7, which were all about as bland but has other good things going for them. And its lack of characters and story are forever unforgivable in my eyes.
Totally understandable. I have my own reasons for placing Sticker Star at the bottom, but those will become more apparent once I get to the Color Splash and Origami King videos.
@@ZillennialRosa Fair, I would be the last person to begrudge anyone for placing it at the bottom as I do hate it myself. It's kinda like how The Phantom Menace is objectively the worst Star Wars prequel, but I kinda hate it the least out of the three for personal reasons.
I hold that 3D Land is underrated but I was also playing it while dealing with a really horrible home life situation so it being effective escapism for me during that time likely colors my opinion of it pretty strongly.
@@noisepollution4473 To clarify, I don't love 3D Land. But it was great for what it was. It was a smidge more interesting than New Super Mario Bros games. Mastering the roll jump was a fun challenge. It was the first 3DS game that people really wanted (prior to that we had, like, Pilotwings and Steel Diver).
1:10 Since when was Nintendo inde at those times From what I know im pretty sure they were no longer considered indie when the release of the 64 happened
So sticker star was bad as I now know but I'm one of those people that actually like sticker star for having some neat stuff and funny when it does (yes I'm simple sometimes), at least sticker star try to be something but after super paper Mario yeah I can understand the downfall but color splash exists and for origami king it's a neat little package so yeah and still paper Mario sticker star at least stands to me as one of my favorite side adventures of the Mario series but I respect opinions which is something that people can't handle but I'm just half expecting people to tell me I'm stupid and I need to kill myself cuz internet users have some kind of have no holding back
Yeah, that kind of negative response is definitely awful and not productive in the slightest. I might not enjoy Sticker Star myself, but I'll never tell anyone that they're wrong for enjoying it.
@@ZillennialRosa fair opinion and I feel like we should share opinions even if they feel mean or not nice it's still someone's opinion and not fact so yeah
@@ZillennialRosa00:49 Ah yes, the European attitude towards the human body aesthetic in art. I believe someday we will get a semi-truck with the art of Michelangelo from the Sistine Chapel replicated on it in sticker form...someday. 🥹
Congratulations on cc going to the red guys channel and taking the paper heart from his paper mario and the sticker comet video. I hope it was worth it in the end
Hi there! Commenting as always to help with the algorithm 😊 I never played SS and hardly had any interest in Paper Mario as a whole after TTYD, but with this brief review of this installment I got interested into giving it a try 😅 Nonetheless, I really felt that the plot of this chapter in your story felt "hollow" and a little bit too cliché. Maybe it's just a reflection of the simplicity of the reviewed game in question and it's a purposely made decision for flavour reasons 😊 (or is it a trap?). Thanks a lot for sharing this work of love and please don't follow the contents of the original letter literally 😢 Best regards 🙂
Think of it like a second trilogy. For the previous trilogy, 2 added more story, and 3 added even more. This one is all about planting seeds, and that's all I'll say for now. I've certainly got some plans for the next 2 episodes 😉
Sticker Star was the 2nd Paper Mario game i ever played or saw, and even 6th grade me though it was shit. So thats why Super Paper Mario is still the only Paper Mario Game I've beaten. Curious to see your thoughts and how the retrospectige story continues!
@@ZillennialRosa good luck! You'll need it to defeat Sinister dude. Also like how an alternate world where Sticker Star was good was how the 4th Paper Heart was found!
@@Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan Thank you. I had to figure something out, because ain't no way I was getting that heart the normal way. I can't wait to share how the plot progresses later on. The next 2 episode should be pretty big.
Sticker star was my first game in the series that I played and I didn't like it I couldn't complete it or color splash just cus I don't like the gameplay of them
@ZillennialRosa then just restart the fight, to me the fun is more about figuring out what to do then just fighting the boss, is based on trial and error
The Gooper Blooper boss is very threatening on the turn where he will ink Mario. It literally is bearing down on Mario like it is about to do some big move, and that is considered cryptic?
Both this and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon really disappointed me because I was a huge fan of Paper Mario TTYD and Luigi's Mansion on the GameCube and was thrilled to see them come on the 3DS during that announcement. Dark Moon I could at least playthrough to the end, Sticker Star was just too painful. Everything I liked about Paper Mario was just striped away. While Luigi's Mansion 3 showed they were willing compromise with the edition of portrait ghosts and a single big area while improving on the things from Dark Moon, the Paper Mario series just said "NO RPGS SUCK!" and continued being a watered down RPG too scared to give a Toad a mustache.
This was the first Paper Mario game I played…. And due to that, I can’t despise it with a burning passion. So go ahead, call me uncultured or something….
Paper Mario sticker star probably wouldn't have a bad reputation....if it wqs a one time thing but nope it's infected the entire series and divined the fanbase. Now it's fine if you enjoyed the newer and older games but please don't disrespect someone for having a opinion. However now that ttyd remake is happening The paper Mario Future is looking more brighter than ever and hopefully The ttyd remake will tone down the fanbase warzone. The game it'self: Paper Mario sticker star is (imo) a mediocre game it's not bad but it's definitely not good either it's has good aspects like world 4 and other positives but the negatives outweigh the postives but with the ttyd remake I can accept this game's existence more than ever.
People definitely tend to get heated when it comes to arguing about the games. A lot of people now hate TTYD solely because some hardcore fans won't shut up about how much better it is, and that can be really annoying, especially when people don't care about the criticisms of the newer games and who just want to enjoy them. Basically, just let people enjoy what they enjoy, and don't berate them for liking what they like.
I don’t know why it is controversial. Sticker Star is that bad, and we should have said so. The only reason why it was not immediate is because it only shallowly looked like a walk back from Super Paper Mario, which was hated at the time.
I think there's this perception that Paprt Mario fans won't shut up about TTYD and so casual fans or non fans will want to defend Sticker a star on that basis alone.
I thought of a good analogy for the battles in the newer paper Mario games: It’s like they had a perfectly good piece of paper, but then they put a sticker on it, then they realized that you couldn’t do much with the paper, so they took it off and it tore a bit of the paper with it. they realized they could paint on it and covered up the piece the sticker took, but the paint was to wet. They then just tore off the piece and thought “what if we made oragami?” It made sense in my head… :|
Yeah, but a game that's just "tolerable" still isn't one that I'd recommend to new people. There's some enjoyment to be had for sure, and not everyone hates the game, but I don't think it's anyone's favorite in the series (assuming they never played it before the others).
If you don't think you'll be bothered by all the bad stuff or just wanna say you played all the Paper Mario games, then feel free to try it. Otherwise, stay away.
Well... I guess fun fact for this game: I never played it! But I nearly did. One year, shortly after christmas, I was at Wal-mart to spend my christmas cash... And I was torn between 2 games... either Sticker Star or Ni no Kuni: wrath of the white witch. Anyway I love Ni no Kuni
Honestly, I think the character/comedy is still as in Spirit as any of the Paper Mario games with this one. People ignore the charm and decent story because it's more of a platformer than an RPG Kind of a cold take to 'dunk' on it though
The comedy is definitely in line with the previous games in the series, just with the occasional paper joke mixed in, and there definitely is some charm present. To me it just feels that the charm isn't nearly as strong as the previous games, and like there's a creativity lacking in terms of the kinds of scenarios and dialogue that can exist. It feels like there's more of a plot than a story, since to me, and most critics of this game, the "story" has about as much depth as the mainline platformers, just with occasional side stories mixed in. It does the bare minimum, and nothing more, at least that's how I feel. There's definitely stuff to enjoy, and I plan on revisiting this game when I talk about Paper Mario the Origami King with the hopes of defending it a bit more than I did in this video, despite the fact that I considered it very disappointing when it released.
I'm not too invested in narrative outside of the review itself, but I thought it was pretty hilarious how you got your paper heart in this one.
It was the only way
And after watching this, I'm finally all caught up, and anxiously waiting to see Colour Splash and Origami King. At least those last two Paper Hearts can't be as difficult as this one. Also, since these videos are how I discovered your channel, I wanna say that it's been really fun so far, and I'm glad I did!
I'm very happy you found the channel, and that these videos were how you got started. I'm excited for you to see the final two chapters once those finally release!
You should complain that after thousands year door there no Kammy Koopa
I definitely will!
Aren't Kammy Koopa and Kamek the same character? That's what I always thought!
Soo I like Kemmik more then her
@Nerdface. Kammy and Kamek are two different characters. They could have easily made them both co-exist in the same game, but choose not to.
Sticker Star may've been mediocre, but the concept of collecting stickers could've been so interesting.
Like, imagine an area somewhere in Decalburg/Toad Town where a small group of sticker enthusiasts hang out at, wanting to collect the most rare, never-before-seen stickers imaginable.
You could probably even trade stickers with them! Although, they wouldn't accept common or worn out stickers and Thing stickers could only be viewed by them, not traded as that would defeat the purpose of Thing stickers being seen as "one-of-a-kind" in their eyes if you came back with a duplicate after giving one away.
Although one thing I'm *really* disappointed about is that in European territories if you registered your copy of Sticker Star you'd get an actual sticker book filled with numerous stickers. Unfortunately you had to be a Club Nintendo member to get a copy and they only made 10,000 of them.
Nintendo Power readers had a small taste of what European territories got, as included in the November 2012 issue there were stickers of a Shell, Eekhammer, Boot, Hammer, Mushroom, Frog Suit and Fire Flower as well as two stickers of Mario and a sticker of the game's logo. On pages 27, 29, 31 and 33 you had to choose a specific sticker which worked best with the hint seen on the side of the page. Except for the last page which took up the entire page just to promote Sticker Star (again) and required two stickers rather than one.
Oh yeah, definitely! There was a lot of potential with the concept of stickers, and I recently came up with the idea that they could have been used like badges. You would then have to do a minigame where you have to sort them and you can only use whatever you can fit in your album, similar to the item suitcase in RE4 or the abilities in Kid Icarus Uprising, with BP upgrades increasing the size of your album.
This is arguably my most-anticipated video of this year. Great job!
I'm glad it was able to deliver. I've got even bigger plans forrr the next 2 chapters.
This just has to be the most relatable (and justifiably accurate) retrospective that I’ve ever watched in my free-time. 👏
Thank you! I'm glad my suffering 11 years ago could bring someone you in 2023
Toad Town is actually called "Decalburg" in this game.
I forgot to mention that. I mainly wanted to draw comparisons to Toad Town from the N64 game and it just slipped my mind when writing the script.
🤢
More like Fecalburg
Decalburg sounds like a town made of paper in the garbage
@@stugranger731got em
Bad news: She doesn’t actually have to be positive.
Good news: That deal was a one time only, and as such Color Splash is good.
I guess you'll just have to tune in when chapter 5 drops to see how it goes.
Another great video! It was fun seeing you dunk on Sticker Star. Can't wait for the final parts!
Thank you! It was a pleasure having you on again to reprise your role. I'm excited to begin work on the final 2 chapters.
OH BOY YOU GET TO KILL STICKER STAR VERBALLY HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOO
I only treat Sticker Star the way it deserves to be treated lol. I hope you enjoy :)
Chugga would be proud.
@@pinstripecool34 Chugga is having the time of his life
Sticker Star may have caused me so much vitriol, but it was fun watching your take on it and getting more entertainment out of it because i was so curious how it'd tie into your retrospective storyline so much cx
Thank you so much! Figuring out what to do with my story was tricky, but I have a new direction now, and I think by the end of the retrospective it will have a satisfying end.
I like how we barely got 20sec in and already the shade
No matter how you slice it, the fandom largely hates SS, therefore Nintendo failed to deliver with it.
To be fair to the character design in this game, there was a whole lawsuit thing about the Sonic comics where one of the writers created a lot of original characters for the comic. Later, he copyrighted the work he did on the comic, but Sega was still reprinting the comics with them. So, the comics filed a lawsuit against him for breach of contract. I don't know exactly how this happened, and it's probably way too long to put in a TH-cam comment but sega lost that lawsuit . But after that, a lot of stuff changed with the comics. For example, Sonic isn't allowed to directly lose and show strong emotions anymore, you aren't allowed to use some characters anymore, and most importantly, the characters aren't allowed to look too different from their normal design and the comic had to be rebooted.
Paper Mario: Sticker Star came out around the time when all of this was happening, and I think they decided to approach the character design the way they did because they didn't want to have this happening to their boy Mario. But it's not like they ever said that that is the reason it's just some stuff I heard from other fans of the Sonic comics who also like Paper Mario
Im not saying that it excuses everything else this game dose bad but just something intresting to think about
edit: ok im watching the next video in the series now and I have to say that this comment would have been better there since you directly talk about it not being possibel to have unique characters any more but its hear now
15:13 Hooo boy, you do not want to go there. Tippi is a wonderful character that is genuinely good at guiding you and a good person with a deep story to her.
Kersti is unlikable, uninteresting, extremely rude, not useful and worst of all, she always says that she's a lady, she can't fight, Mario always needs to protect her after she started a fight with a group of goombas. We have other female characters in the Paper Mario games like Bombette, Lady bow, Watt, Goombella, Vivian and so on.
The funny thing is, there's a TH-cam channel called CloudConnection who made a retrospective about the Paper Mario franchise and, in his video about Sticker Star, he called Kersti a "cool character", saying she's "feisty and sassy". Now don't get me wrong, I agree with most of the other points he makes in the retrospective, but that is one I strongly disagree with. Characters like Lady Bow or Goombella are actually feisty and sassy, Kersti is just a completely dislikable bitch.
@@Goomba1309 She's really mean and annoying.
@@DTgamer_Shiver-is-best-waifu Right? That's what I said too
@@Goomba1309 I think that she's talking directly to the player about using too many stickers on bosses even if you use ones to get you a perfect bonus. Even when you lose everything in that one level, she yells at Mario asking what he was doing and yells at him again about how she got taken by the scuttle bugs and there is not ONE genuine thank you from her.
The intention was for her to serve that role anyways...
I had such a similar experience playing the game for the first time. I was so completely caught up in the fact that I was playing a new Paper Mario game that I didn't realize I hated it until I was finished with it. My entire playthrough I was actively handwaving away all the problems it had because I was desperate to like it. Then upon finishing it, I felt nothing. I wrote a short blog post about how it was a hollow experience, but in my mind, it was just a boring 7/10 nothing of a game that didn't even really warrant being talked about. But my dislike of the game grew tremendously when the follow-ups came out. That the team decided to make sequels to Sticker Star rather than TTYD or SPM in spite of it barely being a video game was so infuriating that all the flaws I papered over (hah!) while playing it in the past were no longer excusable anymore.
I don't think people are unfairly harsh to Sticker Star. It is a legitimately terrible video game that an entire fanbase was Stockholm Syndromed into believing was a 7/10 (a low bar on its own) because it had turn based battles in it. The disgust for the game being so massive now isn't unjust; this is exactly what we and reviewers SHOULD have said at release. We just didn't realize how big of a deal it was that the game was so bland and boring until the follow-ups came out and all we could say is "at least it's better than Sticker Star."
I'd be curious to see what the reaction would have been if Super Paper Mario hadn't come out first.
Can I ask: why the hell would you give a "boring nothing" game a 7/10?
7/10 is a good score. Not an excellent one, but absolutely a good score.
Sorry, its just really annoying when people trest 7/10 as an average.
Oooh….those small Chuggaaconroy bits haven’t aged well recently.
Unfortunately no. I don't think anyone was expecting him of all people to end up being a controversial figure. I've made sure to remove any future references to him, and when I ultimately compile all 6 Paper Mario videos into a whole, I'm going to remove any segments that acknowledge him.
@@ZillennialRosa it's all been disproven now so
I don't care if I get hate because of this opinion, but 37:41 is my favorite paper mario final boss song.
I mean, it's a really good song, probably the best in the game. It's a rational opinion to have.
@@ZillennialRosa Ah yeah I was quoting an (in)famous comment on this song that sparked a hilariously long argument that became a meme a while back
This series is so crazy good I’m sure this is getting a good boost from the recent game. Hell that’s how I’m here
The TTYD remake has definitely brought a lot more attention to my channel
I love your new model!!!
Thank you! I love her too :D
I got stickers star a couple days ago and I'm loving it right now
before i watch this im simply gonna say this game SUCKSSSSSS WHY DOES IT EXISTTTT everything was so perfect until it started EXISTINGGGG. why does it have to be an influential bad game its not like this games reception is positive. if their reasoning for switching direction to this piece of shit was cuz SPM had mixed reception WHY DID THEY NOT SWITCH DIRECTION AFTER THIS ONE. theres no excuse for the laziness literally none. i hope we are entering a renaissance for this series now with the new announcements
I'm definitely feeling better about the future of this series now that the remake of TTYD is in the works and will be arriving this year!
just jumping in to say i love the unique framing for this entire series! and congrats on sharing more of your truly-felt self along the way :)
Thank you!
I also have history with this game. I played the original trilogy and loved them, then got this one… and just had fun with it. No special nostalgia or reasoning, just enjoyed the battles and had fun with it.
Not to say it’s GOOD, since hindsight? Yeah, makes the game’s flaws in design very apparent. Everything about combat is counterintuitive with the game’s design, the characters are either bland, copy-pasted Toads or Mario characters with not much interesting to say, I didn’t even KNOW the Things had action commands in my first playthrough… I could give this game the riot act same as anyone else, since the game is poorly designed.
But I want to take a few seconds just to… be a little nice. Since I’m pretty relaxed with media and it takes a lot for me to HATE something. And I feel like too often the conversation is just about the bad here. I’m still not gonna defend the game, but it does a few things right. There’s some good music, the occasional good joke, it’s not broken or glitchy, and that is incredibly important to me. Perhaps the faintest praise I can give is the return of turn based combat shows the developers TRIED to give fans something closer to what they wanted, and that effort is appreciated, even if the execution was bad in the end. And I did have fun the first time through, and that counts for something, in my eyes.
I’ll admit, I struggled to think of anything nice to say there, so it’s not hard to see why this game has the reputation it does. But with where the series is now and with what came after, I can just… you know, ignore this game.
I definitely agree that Sticker Star seems to be the focus of a lot of negativity, and that aspect of the Paper Mario series and its fandom has been rather frustrating in more recent times. I think many of these opinions and critiques stem from a valid place, but at the same time, it tends to feel like beating a dead horse. The internet tends to reward negativity. While I definitely didn't want to shy away from the aspects of this game that upset or frustrated me, I also didn't want to spend a ton of time focusing on that, which is why this is the shortest video in this series.
I think I'm just ready to move on from this game and focus on the future of the series. Now that I'm in the early stages of the Origami King video, I'm very excited about it, plus we have a TTYD remake on the way, so I feel that it's time to put this discourse to bed.
I genuinely love the transition to ads
Thank you! I'm gonna be using those a lot more from now on.
Honestly, for being meant to be streamlined, this game certainly made a name for itself for being cryptic. With you needing specific things at specific times, and most bosses being very hard without the right thing(s)
I don't think a single person has ever beaten this game without consulting a guide.
i actually find sticker star to be so bad its actively funny
Most Paper Mario fans tbh
glad to see another part out, hope its as good as the rest :)
It's shorter, but I'm pretty proud of it
I’m so happy that Thousand Year Door is coming back on Switch. This could be our chance to change the history of this beloved series.
The story of Paper Mario is changing, and it will definitely impact future videos in this retrospective series.
it prevented something better from happening. overrated game
@@SuperM789 What do you define as better? and how does TTYD prevent that from happening?
Honestly? I hope they remake Sticker Star for Switch and change nothing but the graphics, so it's on par with Origami King.
@@SuperM789That's not how that works. Remakes are often practice for the next new entry.
18:46 Big Wiggler, or Biggler,
Am I stupid or did we never actually learn what the Orange Paper Heart did?
I hope they continue the Paper Mario-s good way
With the recent announcement of TTYD for Switch, that does indeed appear to be the case.
@@ZillennialRosaDo you think TOK is a good game ( because I do)
@@uroskesic6117 I will share my thoughts when my video on it releases, hopefully by the end of this year.
Dang sis, you hit it right on the nose. Would seriously doubt the paper aesthetic would have gotten so much flack had the core gameplay stuck to its roots. Very much of the opinion that Sticker Star, Color Splash, and OK looked amazing. Just wish their combat wasn’t poo 😑
Btw having such an amazing time watching your vids! Can’t wait for the next ^O^
Thank you so much! Apologies for the delay in responding to comments. I've been dealing with a lot in my personal life, but I'm quite a ways into the production of the Color Splash video, so hopefully you won't have to wait too much longer.
@@ZillennialRosa All good JJ! With the amount of love and effort put into these videos it’s worth the wait! Please take care of yo self and sending positive vibes 💕
I just replayed Sticker Star and you know what is sad? It has good parts imo, it has some genuinely cool dialogue but for all the good it has, it's buried under tedium and confusing af puzzles
On a first playthrough without a guide, you'd be so confused on what to do and where to go
Kersti SOMETIMES gives hints but rarely
Good stuff is there for sure. People who like the game enjoy it for a reason, but yeah, this game just has far too many flaws.
@@ZillennialRosa I love/hate it tbh
JJ might break the cannon just to save cc can’t wait to hear I’m do my own thing in one of the episodes.
Interesting seeing guesses for where the plot will go
@@ZillennialRosa yes
As someone whose first game was sticker star (and i was a kid), i did NOT know these bosses had weaknesses. I enjoyed the game nevertheless, but i really bruteforced them all. I did like the themes, but boy i hated some parts still... (ice cream cone in 4-1 made me google for the first time)
sticker star was my second in the series, first being super for the Wii
it was a game I loved to play since I got it, as time went on tho I never lost the love for it, but I did learn about the other much better games, and now it's a game that I love to hate on, it's a fun and dumb game I like to go back to and smile about how bad it is
I actually dislike this game the least out of the modern games. They tried something new for the series, and it didn't work. I resent Color Splash and Origami King more, even if they're technically better games, because they feel like Nintendo doubling and tripling down.
That's a fair perspective to have. I put it at the bottom of the later trilogy simply because it makes me feel very little when I revisit it. Color Splash and especially PMOK had a lot that I appreciated and enjoyed. The weird limitations around characters are still infuriating and confusing, but to me (specifically with PMOK) the other elements were able to make up for that. I'll have a lot more to say once I put out my videos on the next 2 games.
Unironically as someone who’s first paper mario game was Sticker Star. This is my 2nd least favorite Paper Mario Game.
What's at the bottom for you?
@@ZillennialRosa Color Splash, I didn’t ask for Sticker Star 2 and to have an even more lengthier game than Sticker Star, and give me an OST that constantly puts me to sleep meaning I could only pick up *A* paint star and needed a nap afterwards, honestly I play a Mario game to be entertained not to be put asleep. It didn’t help they brought back the Sticker Style gameplay and overly complicate the card mechanic. If you were gonna go cards you should’ve gave us categories of cards like Card Decks that separate into 4 decks Jump, Hammer, Item, Things. If you were running outta cards from the deck then you could pick up cards from battle or simply use the gained coins to buy new card decks. Than give me a more jumpier ost that makes me excited than the game would’ve been better than Sticker Star for me.
i guess you can say, the story FELL FLAT. (cue joke drum)
🥁
The last decade or so has been filled with nothing for me but "DO NOT TRUST" whenever Nintendo has come up. Games like Sticker Star and Metroid: Other M are why.
I think the Switch era instilled me with more hope for their more neglected franchise, but it hasn't been perfect, and it took quite a while for Paper Mario to start getting that love again but on Switch.
@@ZillennialRosa I'm also still bitter about AM2R, which I still consider a better remake than M:SR.
I personally just don't mind it. .I can't remember if it was my first or 2nd game. Don't really have the highest standard as well.
Even though I don't like it very much, I'll always be glad whenever someone else is able to find joy in it
@@ZillennialRosa I think it's mainly nostalgia for me, I can definitely see why people dislike it though. I've barely played the first one, got to the shy guy toy box. I think it's mainly because I played the other games first that it feels weird. I don't hate it tho
no boo night fever mention??? that's my one positive thing about sticker star
I sort of lumped it in with my praise of chapter 4
28:34 In the words of a certain gaming Nerd: “And while you’re doing all that…Put on a better game!”
Got 'em
31:19 My first game in the series was Thousand Year Door, and I still liked Sticker Star. Sure, it's hollow and isn't as varied as the previous games, and it's the least good game in the series, but that doesn't make it a bad game, and I enjoyed my time with it. I liked the part where you could bring that one sepia-toned Toad back to life by Paperizing a picture of them. The final level in World 4 being a Shy Guy theme park was fun (Mizzter Blizzard Best Boss in Sticker Star, don't @ me). I liked helping out a Wiggler clear out a poisonous swamp so he could chill and be a butterfly. Figuring out that the Tower Power Pokey was weak to Bats because of the stadium-shaped arena was really fun. And this was the first time that Bowser Jr. and Kamek make their appearance in Paper Mario, and they were a treat to enjoy.
My outlook on this game used to be a lot more negative, until one day when I was in my high/middle school marching band, and this one kid was playing Sticker Star on his 3DS. I went "You know that game is bad, right?" and he said "What do you mean?", so I explained some of the issues people had with the game. After that, he told me two words that changed my perspective on the game forever: "So what?"
As soon as I stopped hoping for Sticker Star to magically turn into SPM or TTYD, and considered it for the stuff that it offered, I felt less negative about it. It might be cryptic, or have boss battles that require Things to beat (for the most part), or be pretty shallow in its presentation, story, characters, combat, and design... but I still enjoyed my time with it. It's a solid 7/10.
On a technical level, the game does do a lot well. Missed potential and opportunities aside, the game, for me at least, is weighed down by a myriad of decisions that make playing the game far more frustrating and annoying. I will always be happy for anyone who could look past that and have a good time with it.
Well.
Yeah. Indeed
One thing I can think I like about this game is the sombrero guys and the music they play
Sombrero guy and the yoshi sphynx are the most memorable parts of chapter 2.
Sticker Star is dull and underwhelming.
Sticker Star exists
28:22 The roulette is not rng, you just need to be good at timing it, not defending this mechanic just correcting you on that aspect
And who would want to do that with a tedious game that also gives an out by guaranteeing two turns for an easily payable price?
Ooh i like the papersona, reminds me of art of tippis human form that i saw so long ago
Aw, thank you. My sona was gifted her wings by Tippi, so that's very much appreciated.
This game was so meh, I'm glad your doing it but just watching it brings back bad and boring memories of my own playthough 😂
I remember it so you don't have to
this was my 2nd game in the series and the first one i beat and honestly i liked it in isolation from the rest its a decent game, however when compared to its predecessors it hold nothing other than the banger soundtrack and its puzzles being slightly less cryptic than those in super paper mario.
I can understand it being enjoyable in isolation, but when played in quick succession as I've done for this retrospective, it makes the flaws stand out so much more. I'm surprised you thought SPM had more cryptic puzzles. I maybe had to use a guide once when playing SPM, whereas I needed one at least 2 or 3 times for every chapter in Sticker Star (after the first chapter anyways).
Sticker Star was my first Paper Mario game. 💀
I'm sure it was a lot of people's first. In isolation there are definitely things to enjoy. Hopefully it gave you good memories.
At least you had nowhere to go but up, eh?
Same, and after I finally beat it a few months ago, I can confirm: really bad game. World 4 was fun though, probably the best part of the entire game
Paper Mario Sticker Star was bad. I hope they remake Super Paper Mario in a year or two. The final in the original trilogy was my favorite.
I justified Sticker Star's mediocrity as being a handheld off-shoot. It was alright when I lowered my expectations. But then Color Splash followed and I realized how doomed we were. :(
We were doomed for a time, but at last, salvation has arrived
@@ZillennialRosa I still can't believe it. This remake has to sell insanely well so Nintendo is forced to make more sequels in the same vein as 64 and TTYD!
@@Erosis I think Nintendo is expecting a lot for this since they closed out the direct on it. It's the big thing everyone is talking about from the direct, so I imagine that will translate into good sales numbers
I hold the "it's not supposed to be literally about paper" argument against the art style.
I reached my limit in Origami King when I had to fight a literal box of colored pencils after a chapter full of fighting origami. Which of these options for a climactic boss fight sounds the least interesting? A Mario-themed parody of the teenage mutant ninja turtles, a dragon terrorizing the local town that ate your party member's father, a robot built by an ancient race to protect a relic needed to prevent the destruction of all worlds, or a box of fucking colored pencils?
Like, seriously?? What the fuck?? Under what context in ANY fictional universe is the villain of the first act a fucking box of colored pencils? It is literally impossible for me to give a shit about this "character".
The "paper" part of Paper Mario has been pushed so far that it has taken complete priority over all other parts of the game. At least Big Goomba and Morton are "Mario" bosses. But we have reached such a low point that "Paper" is the focus, while "Mario" is an afterthought. It used to be the other way around.
Video is great. Just explaining my reasoning on why the emphasis on the paper art style is a problem. It is cannibalizing the rest of the game.
I'll definitely talk about the ways the next 2 games use paper and craft gimmicks when I get to them, since they do lean into it the hardest and use them as a crutch to navigate the rule of not being allowed to create new characters.
He was also French and it makes it worse
I do hope she includes a review of ttyd remake into this series
;)
I don't want this comment to be too long, so I'm gonna say everything I want to and hopefully crunch it down to make as short and simple as possible.
So, I'm relatively new to this channeland I saw you Mario Party 8 video as my introduction to your channel and this was after you changed your channel to how it is now, but I like your content both ways before and after said changes.
I first came as this series back when I used to watch Chuggaconroy's playthrough of Super Paper Mario, the only part I remember aside from Bowser's Arms being the funniest compilation, is when he played as Peach in Castles Bleck between Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 and thought this game looked awesome even though I had only been a Mario fan for 4 years at that time. When I asked my Mum if I could have SPM, she went to game but couldn't find a copy so instead she bought a pre-owned copy of Sticker Star. Since I was more into gameplay over story as a child, I enjoyed the heck out of this game and this was before I found out about the fact everyone was at each others throats, arguing why the old and new are better than the other.
Ever since then I've played all of the games, as well as the Mario & Luigi RPGs, Mario + Rabbids game and I plan to play the Mario RPG Remake too. And sometimes I think about how much I hate being on the side that gets hate thrown at then, when the older games weren't perfect either.
I'm enjoying the story you've made for this retrospective, it definitely makes you stand out and it reminds me of "hatwearinggamer" who also had a narrative when he made his Mario and Luigi retrospective 4-6 years ago, though if I'm being honest, I did find it a bit cheesy and on the nose that in order to continue the story by using a Paper Heart from "another dimension where this game is actually good", and I understand that this game has many flaws, my bias to this game as my fisrt Paper Mario ever, will prevent me from hating it. But maybe in a decade or something, I might truly see it for it's unworthiness as a Paper Mario installment and wish Kensuke Tanabe had never taken the reins of the series hostage, but for now I still like this game to this day and that won't change at the moment. I understand that everyone has different opinions about things and that's what makes us human, but I still wish people on both sides could find a way to get along for once and stop pointlessly arguing about how this series should and shouldn't be...
Also there's another TH-camr who is also making a Paper Mario retrospective of his own thanks to this game, his name is "The Red Guy", I don't know if you know him, so that's why I'm mentioning him here. And I'm also watching Chuggaconroy's videos about Sticker Star as well.
Sorry again if this was too long to read, but as someone who mostly grew up and still enjoys the modern Paper Mario games, I do also have fun with the classic trilogy to the same extent. I accept that you don't like Sticker Star and I respect your opinion on this game. Also, I know I can't convince you that Colour Splash and Origami King are better since they're are basically the same as SS, but I can't wait to see how you wrap up the retrospective as well as the your story in a nicely wrapped bow and I wonder if you'll do an Epilouge to your journey as well. Two things I am curious about are:
1. What would your plans for reviews of future Paper Mario games released after the Origami King review and the retrospective are finished be?
2. If remakes of Super, SS, CS and TOK were made in the style of 64 and TTYD, what would your reaction to that be and would you re-review these games if that happened?
I plan to get a job at Intelligent Systems one day and make my own Paper Mario game with travelling through time being my choice for a mechanic, but I don't want people to be mislead about what kind of time travel I'm reffering to as I want to give every chapter it's own identity just like the first 3 games did, but also the time travel gimmick to be unique for all of them as well.
Anyway, that's all I wanted to say. However, if there more I want add, I just edit this comment later even though you may not see if I do that.
I hope you have fun wrapping up this retrospective, wish you luck with beating the last two games and getting the remaining Paper Hearts to stop "Sinister Dude" and find someway to revive CC (RIP for now). I will watch the other two reviews when they come out. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜🖤
They announced a remake of TTYD 😅
Thank you for the comment. My opinions on CS and PMOK may not be what you're expecting given my opinions on SS, but I guess you'll just have to wait and see what I have to say once I finish the retrospective series in the next couple chapters.
1. For any future Paper Mario Games (like the upcoming TTYD Remake that was just announced today) I would most likely make a smaller video reviewing the game in question. I may end up creating a dual review discussing both the Mario RPG Remake as well as the TTYD Remake, but I likely wouldn't continue with any lore since I'm trying to make Chapters 1-6 of the retrospective a self-contained and complete story.
2. I think SS would need a massive amount of overhauling, since my issues with it extend beyond the battle system, and I think it would be sort of pointless to redo CS or PMOK. I won't speak to this at this time since I have yet to discuss these games in depth for my series retrospective, but if any new Paper Mario games do release in the future, as long as I'm still making videos on this channel, I will definitely be sure to cover it in a video.
I've already recorded gameplay for CS and PMOK, so now all I need to do is finish up my scripts so I can continue production on the videos. I'm planning to go big with these, and hopefully not take too long, but I hope they will be worth the wait. Thank you for watching and commenting, and I wish you all the best of luck with your future endeavors!
Ah yeah, baby. The... uh...
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...6th. (I think?) trashing on Sticker Star! Yeah, baby!
Sticker Star... More like... I'm glad I never have to play this game again
While I never played the game, I can say this.
Sticker Star, and by extension, modern Paper Mario, is more consistent than Ratchet and Clank 2016 ever was. That R&C game, while more servicable on the surface, becomes like Back 4 Blood where it missed what made the original work the closer you pay attention. At least Sticket Star knows what it's being and becomes that game.
And also, Sonic Frontiers, regardless of one's thoughts, proves that going a bit crazy and original with ideas doesn't hurt at all. As long as the writers know what they're making.
I'm so weird about this game , I like have a genuinely love for this game and can't seem to hate it but I know how bad of a game it is , like how do I explain that this is one of my favorite paper Mario games that I've played.
I'm so conflicted on this game lol.
I admitted that this game does have its fans, and I'm genuinely happy that you were able to find joy within it. I definitely wouldn't want to take that away from you. I am curious if you grew up with this game though.
@ZillennialRosa it was actually my second paper mario game in fact , it was a xmas gift for me and i never got to finish the game fully , had a break from it for about year and a half and went back to it and almost 100% it i never had that much fun in my opinion for a while
adding more to this but god its been so fucking hard for me to enjoy both the first paper mario games , 64 just dosen't grip me and feels too understimulating for me autism same with TTYD , I'm hoping to pick it up when I have a switch again so I can experience it then on " legal means " ( emulator )
2:39 you kinda have 2 references that i know of (1 your Name Lady Reminds me of Lady from T&F (That stands for Thomas and Friends) and 2 when you said Live and Learn, I Remembered Sonic Adventure 2 whennyou said that)
Neither of these were intentional, but Live and Learn is definitely a banger of a song.
@@ZillennialRosa yeah
And Super Mario 3D Land is the 1st game i played @@ZillennialRosa
Ahh, sticker star, a game so terrible that Nintendo looked at this game and was like "lets use this as the baseline of the series moving forward thanks to the amazing sterilization of our characters."
Well, with the recent news it looks like things are changing :)
The only good things of sticker star were the final boss and sniff it or whiff it
Sniff it or Whiff it felt like I was playing a completely different game for a moment
looking forward to TTYD-make! as a self proclaimed Color Splash fan, the formula could work, it *does* work if actual effort is put into it, but they put zero thought into anything in Sticker Star and it shows
I'm confident that Nintendo will be able to make a new Paper Mario game that appeals to both classic and newer Paper Mario fans.
Im sorry, CC is missing!?
I find Sticker Star the least odious of the three. I am a first-three-games purist, but I guess I hated SS the least for a few minor reasons.
One of the more unfair reasons was that when I first played SS, for a good quarter of the game, I still had hope that it would get better. I didn't know that it wouldn't develop. So for that simple reason, it gets some points. I enjoyed the first quarter out of ignorance.
It also gets some slack because it's a mobile game. For being on the 3DS, it was OK. CS came out on Wii U, which was Nintendo's most misguided time. TOK came out on Switch, a console that's home to Odyssey, BotW/TotK, and LM3, so it has no excuse for being as lackluster as it is. SS has an excuse.
I did like the music and visuals, though not as much as the first three games. And I did kinda like some of the locals. The areas in CS were, to me, utterly unmemorable and inconsistent in theming. But SS had the snow mansion, the pyramid levels with the toad heiroglyphs, Surfshine Harbor, the poison river. They're all relatively bland, but still better to me than what CS had to offer. TOK had the best locals of the three, but SS at least did better than CS. Plus stickers worker better than cards and paint. They just did.
But yeah, besides that, I hated everything else about SS. Its devotion to corporate whitewashing in an effort to "streamline" the experience and make more accessible to casuals single-handedly ruined the series. It's as bland as plain oatmeal. Wasn't even close to being as good as its 3DS contemporaries such as Mario 3D Land and Dark Moon and MK7, which were all about as bland but has other good things going for them. And its lack of characters and story are forever unforgivable in my eyes.
Totally understandable. I have my own reasons for placing Sticker Star at the bottom, but those will become more apparent once I get to the Color Splash and Origami King videos.
@@ZillennialRosa Fair, I would be the last person to begrudge anyone for placing it at the bottom as I do hate it myself. It's kinda like how The Phantom Menace is objectively the worst Star Wars prequel, but I kinda hate it the least out of the three for personal reasons.
I hold that 3D Land is underrated but I was also playing it while dealing with a really horrible home life situation so it being effective escapism for me during that time likely colors my opinion of it pretty strongly.
@@noisepollution4473 To clarify, I don't love 3D Land. But it was great for what it was. It was a smidge more interesting than New Super Mario Bros games. Mastering the roll jump was a fun challenge. It was the first 3DS game that people really wanted (prior to that we had, like, Pilotwings and Steel Diver).
Congratulations you made it to Friday 😅
It is a good Friday indeed
Its the no post game content for me #comedy
There's the museum I guess
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Since when was Nintendo inde at those times
From what I know im pretty sure they were no longer considered indie when the release of the 64 happened
They've always been indie *coughs*
virtual insanity sm64 intermission ?
Glad you got the reference. Virtual insanity describes how Sticker Star made me feel at the time
holy shirt the sticker lore is perfect
Thank you :)
So sticker star was bad as I now know but I'm one of those people that actually like sticker star for having some neat stuff and funny when it does (yes I'm simple sometimes), at least sticker star try to be something but after super paper Mario yeah I can understand the downfall but color splash exists and for origami king it's a neat little package so yeah and still paper Mario sticker star at least stands to me as one of my favorite side adventures of the Mario series but I respect opinions which is something that people can't handle but I'm just half expecting people to tell me I'm stupid and I need to kill myself cuz internet users have some kind of have no holding back
Yeah, that kind of negative response is definitely awful and not productive in the slightest. I might not enjoy Sticker Star myself, but I'll never tell anyone that they're wrong for enjoying it.
@@ZillennialRosa fair opinion and I feel like we should share opinions even if they feel mean or not nice it's still someone's opinion and not fact so yeah
You can't lose respect if you never had any so those guys might be onto something
Time to flex tape some animu girls to fix my life
I see them all over the place where I live
@@ZillennialRosa00:49 Ah yes, the European attitude towards the human body aesthetic in art. I believe someday we will get a semi-truck with the art of Michelangelo from the Sistine Chapel replicated on it in sticker form...someday. 🥹
Congratulations on cc going to the red guys channel and taking the paper heart from his paper mario and the sticker comet video. I hope it was worth it in the end
That's a fun theory, but in fact there's more to the green heart than meets the eye. Its secrets will be revealed in due time.
Hi there! Commenting as always to help with the algorithm 😊 I never played SS and hardly had any interest in Paper Mario as a whole after TTYD, but with this brief review of this installment I got interested into giving it a try 😅 Nonetheless, I really felt that the plot of this chapter in your story felt "hollow" and a little bit too cliché. Maybe it's just a reflection of the simplicity of the reviewed game in question and it's a purposely made decision for flavour reasons 😊 (or is it a trap?). Thanks a lot for sharing this work of love and please don't follow the contents of the original letter literally 😢 Best regards 🙂
Think of it like a second trilogy. For the previous trilogy, 2 added more story, and 3 added even more. This one is all about planting seeds, and that's all I'll say for now. I've certainly got some plans for the next 2 episodes 😉
Sticker Star was the 2nd Paper Mario game i ever played or saw, and even 6th grade me though it was shit. So thats why Super Paper Mario is still the only Paper Mario Game I've beaten. Curious to see your thoughts and how the retrospectige story continues!
Thank you! I'm excited to continue the retrospective. Only 2 more videos to go, and I've already begun work on the Color Splash video :D
@@ZillennialRosa good luck! You'll need it to defeat Sinister dude. Also like how an alternate world where Sticker Star was good was how the 4th Paper Heart was found!
@@Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan Thank you. I had to figure something out, because ain't no way I was getting that heart the normal way. I can't wait to share how the plot progresses later on. The next 2 episode should be pretty big.
Sticker star was my first game in the series that I played and I didn't like it I couldn't complete it or color splash just cus I don't like the gameplay of them
27:05 Oh yeah really hard to tell that you have to use a sponge (cleaning product) on the dirty boss, how cryptic...
I was talking about knowing when to use it. It's impossible to know for certain when Blooper will spray ink on you until you have it happen.
@ZillennialRosa then just restart the fight, to me the fun is more about figuring out what to do then just fighting the boss, is based on trial and error
The Gooper Blooper boss is very threatening on the turn where he will ink Mario. It literally is bearing down on Mario like it is about to do some big move, and that is considered cryptic?
Ayyy Nintendo redeemed themselves somewhat.
The new announcement is definitely going to affect future Paper Mario videos on this channel.
Both this and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon really disappointed me because I was a huge fan of Paper Mario TTYD and Luigi's Mansion on the GameCube and was thrilled to see them come on the 3DS during that announcement. Dark Moon I could at least playthrough to the end, Sticker Star was just too painful. Everything I liked about Paper Mario was just striped away.
While Luigi's Mansion 3 showed they were willing compromise with the edition of portrait ghosts and a single big area while improving on the things from Dark Moon, the Paper Mario series just said "NO RPGS SUCK!" and continued being a watered down RPG too scared to give a Toad a mustache.
Ever since Mario's mustache changed colors, nothing has ever been the same.
This was the first Paper Mario game I played…. And due to that, I can’t despise it with a burning passion. So go ahead, call me uncultured or something….
I may not understand it, but I'm happy you enjoyed it. Nostalgia is a powerful force.
My level is 23
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How did you calculate that number?
Paper Mario sticker star probably wouldn't have a bad reputation....if it wqs a one time thing but nope it's infected the entire series and divined the fanbase.
Now it's fine if you enjoyed the newer and older games but please don't disrespect someone for having a opinion.
However now that ttyd remake is happening The paper Mario Future is looking more brighter than ever and hopefully The ttyd remake will tone down the fanbase warzone.
The game it'self: Paper Mario sticker star is (imo) a mediocre game it's not bad but it's definitely not good either it's has good aspects like world 4 and other positives but the negatives outweigh the postives but with the ttyd remake I can accept this game's existence more than ever.
People definitely tend to get heated when it comes to arguing about the games. A lot of people now hate TTYD solely because some hardcore fans won't shut up about how much better it is, and that can be really annoying, especially when people don't care about the criticisms of the newer games and who just want to enjoy them. Basically, just let people enjoy what they enjoy, and don't berate them for liking what they like.
@@ZillennialRosa exactly!
I don’t know why it is controversial. Sticker Star is that bad, and we should have said so. The only reason why it was not immediate is because it only shallowly looked like a walk back from Super Paper Mario, which was hated at the time.
I think there's this perception that Paprt Mario fans won't shut up about TTYD and so casual fans or non fans will want to defend Sticker a star on that basis alone.
sticker star is better than SPM
@@ZillennialRosa BECAUSE THEY WON'T SHUT UP ABOUT IT. I,VE PLAYED IT, IT'S OVERRATED.
@@SuperM789 I'm glad you enjoyed Sticker Star
@@SuperM789 99% of Paper Mario fans disagree with you. What's better about Sticker Star?
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I thought of a good analogy for the battles in the newer paper Mario games:
It’s like they had a perfectly good piece of paper, but then they put a sticker on it, then they realized that you couldn’t do much with the paper, so they took it off and it tore a bit of the paper with it. they realized they could paint on it and covered up the piece the sticker took, but the paint was to wet. They then just tore off the piece and thought “what if we made oragami?”
It made sense in my head… :|
I think I can kinda get what you mean here
Despite all the flaws, this is still a tolerable game, there are far worst nintendo games than this.
Yeah, but a game that's just "tolerable" still isn't one that I'd recommend to new people. There's some enjoyment to be had for sure, and not everyone hates the game, but I don't think it's anyone's favorite in the series (assuming they never played it before the others).
@@ZillennialRosa Fair point, though I would still recommend people to try it out first.
If you don't think you'll be bothered by all the bad stuff or just wanna say you played all the Paper Mario games, then feel free to try it.
Otherwise, stay away.
@@ZillennialRosaIf Sticker Star doesn't work for new players, then Baby's First Paper Mario has failed in its one mission. 😂
Five days later be like:
I willed this into existence. You're welcome.
37:42 I love this final boss theme so I give it an S tier.
It is a very good song
Agreed.
Well... I guess fun fact for this game: I never played it! But I nearly did.
One year, shortly after christmas, I was at Wal-mart to spend my christmas cash...
And I was torn between 2 games... either Sticker Star or Ni no Kuni: wrath of the white witch.
Anyway I love Ni no Kuni
Two timelines were created that day.
@@ZillennialRosa In the other one for some reason I never realized I was trans
@@Flipface4 I'd like to imagine that you'd have found your way here and would have ended up joining us regardless lol.
Honestly, I think the character/comedy is still as in Spirit as any of the Paper Mario games with this one. People ignore the charm and decent story because it's more of a platformer than an RPG
Kind of a cold take to 'dunk' on it though
The comedy is definitely in line with the previous games in the series, just with the occasional paper joke mixed in, and there definitely is some charm present. To me it just feels that the charm isn't nearly as strong as the previous games, and like there's a creativity lacking in terms of the kinds of scenarios and dialogue that can exist. It feels like there's more of a plot than a story, since to me, and most critics of this game, the "story" has about as much depth as the mainline platformers, just with occasional side stories mixed in. It does the bare minimum, and nothing more, at least that's how I feel.
There's definitely stuff to enjoy, and I plan on revisiting this game when I talk about Paper Mario the Origami King with the hopes of defending it a bit more than I did in this video, despite the fact that I considered it very disappointing when it released.