boygenius...can a "Supergroup" be good? "the record" review
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- I launch into a review of this tremendous album after a lengthy discourse on patriarchy and the social construct of gender. @boygeniusVEVO @lucydacus @phoebebridgersmusic @julienrbaker
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This album made me cry while eating a McFlurry. 10/10
The final song interpolates "Me & My Dog" from their first EP, a fan favorite. If you know the lyrics to that one ("I wanna be emaciated") this one feels even more powerful. Great video!
I've been calling Phoebe Bridgers "PP Bingus" so I think you're good
Pp Bingus, Pheebidee Bridgers, and Phoebe Bridgers should form their own band tbh
about the kiss in the video, it reminded me a little of the kisses nirvana shared between them at the end of SNL. boygenius's kiss was way more candid and honest, less for kinda shock value like nirvana's was, but both of them i felt tried to convey love and togetherness from a friend to another, and i think that that is very beautiful
I bought the album for my dad because he likes Phoebe, and I'm waiting to listen to it until he does! This review definitely makes me more excited than ever - great review!
That you share an interest in the same contemporary artists is unique. My folks have never liked my music, though I loved the music of their generation: the '60s.
no i love the first 17 minutes of this video, i really like it when you talk about these topics it feels like i'm in school and taking a really interesting lecture so thank you so much i'm glad i found your channel through your taylor swift reviews ahahhshsh
59 year old white male from Australia here. I f*cking love The Record. Great songs are great songs.
If you love Home Video I really reccomend Historian! It's my favorite album from any of the 3 of them. I find the instrumental palletes she plays with on that album to be so incredibly lush and dramatic. I love it very deeply and would be happy to hear your thoughts! Cheers!
I knew I would love this apbum but the fact it is such a feat of song-writing makes me so happy, can’t wait to hear what you think! (Posting this at the start of the video)
I’m the discussion about gender and sexuality and these wonderful boys existence, I was thinking of the line in “we’re in love” where Lucy talks about being “the boy with the pink carnation”, not only is it just beautiful and melancholic Imagery but I just love the gender play that they all have in their lives, it’s things trans and queer people think about all the time (what would I be like in another life/if this one was different”. Idk I’m rambling but it’s beautiful and intrinsic to this band
Dude I fucking love you holding up the laptop. Adds a degree of humanity I now realize is missing from so much today
oh, no, i think i found a reviewer whose stuff i have to binge watch now. 😭(*shoves law assignments on the floor, even though graduation is nigh and i am behind*) this is exactly the kind of breakdown I've looked for forever from reviewers! thanks for all the detail, passion, professor-y analysis, and anecdotal introspection (deeply related to the wanting to / feeling like you should kiss your friends thing, and v much appreciate that you could understand that the boygenius kisses weren't sexual, but sensual and emotionally compelled, which makes them even better) and jokes (i had to pause and cackled for like ten seconds when you said you wanted to see Robert Plant and Jimmy Page kiss, *but not in a fanfiction type of way,* lmao). Very much appreciate your 17 minute feminist lecture on the meaning of the bandname, and the complexities and sufferings of female friendship under the unrelenting gaze of patriarchy. you're cool.
Love your videos and your takes on every album. It always make me feel like I’m in college again
Great layered review. Obvs knew of Julien Baker (based on her friendship with/covers of the late Frightened Rabbit frontman Scott Hutchinson and her last solo album; "Crying Wolf" is part of my annual New Years' Eve/New Years Day playlist) but I first came across boygenius after hearing their beautiful cover of The Killers "Ready My Mind" a few years ago (Brandon Flowers even got Phoebe Bridgers to feature on a song on the band's last album).
By the way, "I Still Remember" by the British band Bloc Party (one of the major influences on the last Paramore record) is a great song about a regret a hetero male has about not kissing his fellow hetero male best friend (despite the lead singer later coming out as gay in real life) and (albeit based on anectodal evidence) this thing does happen homoerotic settings like male university sports teams). Looking forward to check this record out.
Speaking of non male figures calling themselves a god, you should check out halsey, they have a song called i'm not a woman i''m a god. powerful song and great album overall
Accurate analysis. Just reacted on my channel and spoiler,
the record wrecked me
It's almost like a concept album devoted to the concept of making an album? We have "The Cure" song that mentions the band and uses their sonic aesthetic, the "Simon & Garfunkel" song that "borrows" the melody from their track "The Boxer," "Revolution 0" referencing the Beatles and John Lennon, the "Leonard Cohen" song that talks about him too, "Anti-Curse" is very similar to a track on Julien's Turn Out the Lights (not sure how intentional the was?), and then finally the album's last track is Letter to An Old Poet (which must be Phoebe's reference to Ryan Adams, especially the acidic break up lyrics) is a remake of Boygenius' own "Me and My Dog." And then there is the album title being "The Record." I'm not sure what they are trying to say with all these references but there are so many, it can't be happenstance. Throw in the album cover which could be an interpolation of Pearl Jam's iconic TEN cover (in the same way their EP cover referenced CSN), and Boygenius' Nirvana photos in Rolling Stone of course....Curious of others' thoughts on all that! BTW I think $20, True Blue and We're In Love are fantastic compositions and the clear standouts. The ending of Revolution 0 is cool too, and feels like new ambient territory for them.
0:20 ...crosby stills and nash? and sometimes young? boygenius did reference the couch photo on their self titled EP after all
Thank you for your honest and vulnerable take on your musical perspectives toward some female led projects in the 90's / early 2000's. I too have some accounting to do and I am a cys white lesbian. In any event, conversation is very good. Thanks for continuing to provide a space for some nuanced conversation on music. And for your insightful placement of boygenius within a historical perspective of both supergroups and female led projects. While I wholeheartedly believe they are great outside of this context, they deserve the label "important" within this perspective. Also "Cool About It" is an underrated gem that describes the different, rich and complicated aspects of female friendships. I am a new subscriber and I look forward to your next content.
Really appreciate your tying in to the supergroup element with bojack horseman. Your thoughts in general made me realize elements of the aIbum and the term Boygenius that I didn't focus on as much at first since I was mainly just focusing on the music.
VBS truly goes crazy lyrically!!
70% of what I listen to now is by females. But it's not bc it's by females. It's bc it's better than what males are putting out.
Agree agree agree, for me I'm either listening to British post punk bands, many of whom have female frontwomen or split, such as BCNR, Black Honey, Sports Team etc., or it's indie folk like Big Thief, or pop and indie pop, such as Caroline Polachek and boygenuis. They just are a bit better atm
True 😊
@@JSON_888 1- hip hop is just one world and female artists are doing everything not just hip hop like male pop artists ..
female artists are experimenting with all the genres Etc (they are doing an evolution in music)
2- many female artists are doing hip hop too someone more and someone less :
Doja cat, Lizzo, ice spice Etc many
But there are also many R&B pop artists
And there are also female artists who are experimenting with elements of hip hip with jazz, soul Etc like Billie Eilish, or SZA etc
Male pop artists on overage are all bad rappers nowadays they have been doing the same things for many years
This is so true
I have a theory that men aren't always as in touch with their emotions as women are, which makes their music sometimes resonate less with people.
Professor skye! Love watching your videos and hearing your takes. Makes me feel like I’m in college again. I would love to hear your thoughts on the new Elvis Depressedly album, Who Owns the Graveyard? I think it would fit snuggly in your genre conception of Hyper Folk. Thanks!
Hi! Just a quick sidebar - socialization doesn't stop at the point of transition, it carries on for your entire life, and many trans people (although of course not all) probably had very unconventional journeys with 'socialization' that set it apart from typical cis-gender socialization. Not that it doesn't happen of course, just that simply because a person was assigned male at birth and later transitions, doesn't mean that there socialization journey would be the same as a cis-person's. Often even before transition we sit outside of gender expectations, and therefore the adjustment from that is very different :) anyway, nowhere near clever enough to phrase this in a good way, it's just a definitely VERY nuanced issue!
SUMAC and Armand hammer are excellent supergroups. Also depending how you define the term, there are tons of amazing jazz lines ups that are supergroups
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Invisible hand of sexism! Thank you.
great take on yoko ono, lol, absolutely agreed
Monsters of Folk is a really good record
I'm a millenial without having experienced poliamory and tatoos :D
I perfectly agree with everything you said in the introduction and about the album. Very interesting indeed, Professor Skye. Usually people say that there shouldn't be a 'but' when you talk about these things, but I do: it's also true in my opinion that in recent years there is an exaggerated sensitivity about certain jokes and paradoxically sometimes I notice that we have become more politically correct than maybe we were in the 90s.
I love every time you talk about the Beatles, because (along with the Arctic Monkeys) they are my all-time favorite band. I agree with you about Lennon + Berry, but for me Ono is equally terrible. From 'Double Fantasy' for example I can only listen to Lennon's 6 songs. I don't like Ono as an artist. Does that make me a sexist? It gives me the feeling that we have grown so much as a society that respects women (at least in the West, although there is still so much to be done), but maybe this very important feminist revolution needs to file away political correctness as well.
Perhaps the revolution itself needs to be strong enough not to be perfect in itself, and in the case it is fine. Better to have both more feminism and at the same time more political correctness than not to have the first achievement at all.
P.s. I was hoping you could make an outro playing 'Imagine number 9'. That'd be cool!
I love this album and your take. There are a few other good supergroups imo. Fantomas and Oysterhead are pretty great
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even if you don’t review it, the new zelooperz album is for sure worth a listen! i’d love to hear your thoughts, but i appreciate any content you decide to create!
Fortunately Not Strong Enough did become a hit
Great stuff Prof.
Boygenius > the sum of its parts
"White trash" is a very real constructed category that affects people, I think you're okay to use the word when discussing people's artistic expression if it's a relevant theme to the work.
praying for you
I love this album it’s really good
Love each of these artists but somehow their group efforts aren’t as powerful. Agree with Steven Hyden.
I think boygenius is one of those rare groups where they have discovered something incredible that none of them do in their solo careers - and I actually like it better than I like any of their solo work.
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it's fine dw
is this a crossover episode?
I felt like there was some self-satisfied self-loathing in this one. Love the record though.
FYI Sheryl Crow is great!
I completely disagree with the instance of the social constructions. Gender and race are 2 actual documented scientific facts.
SEXISM, RACISM, NATIONALISM, RELIGION (just to name few of the most toxic ones) are the actual social constructions.
My humble opinion.
Gender and race were originally implemented and defined socio-culturally. Race as a concept was designed very recently in human history for political reasons and their use in scientific research has been criticized increasingly in updated scientific journals; however, due to the very real ramifications of culture's influence on socio-economic and health outcomes, they then have real ramifications and some* research can be done utilizing those terms but they alone actually do not bring forth much unifying distinctions as we often envision them.
I love your reviews, but I think a lot of your political reasoning is faulty at best. I really don't want to get into a debate about it with a bunch of commenters, but I just want to acknowledge that I respect your opinions, but I disagree with them. I don't think that automatically makes me unintelligent or ignorant, just a person from a different background with a little more understanding that people have different views on things and no specific one is necessarily and provably right. I disagree that gender and race are social constructs, but I agree that racism and sexism exist. I agree that we should treat people equally. I also think that we shouldn't attack people for having different opinions or perspectives, but actually listen to them, instead. I know I am not some sort of political expert, but I am a human being capable of thinking about things logically and coming to my own conclusions, thank you very much. You can say whatever you want on your show, but it doesn't make you any more right than the other half of the country who disagrees with you.
I rate how respectful you're being, but its not so much a matter of opinion as it is an established academic consensus. Gender and racial identities simply are influenced by society. See fashion: its not considered 'manly' to wear lace and frills today, but in the 17th century, it was a way a man could express his wealth and masculinity. You can also see the fluctuating attitudes towards who counted as a minority - 200 years ago in America, the Irish and Italians were seen as non-white. This was an identity constructed by their society because of their immigrant status and comparative poverty - not a reflection of the colour of their skin. I think the wording Professor Skye used was perhaps a little off, because its not necessarily a lack of intelligence, but a lack of research, that leads people to believe that gender and race are fixed. However, as a historian, I can tell you that even the most conservative historians in the field (at least in the UK) will happily engage with the concept that gender & race is a mutable social construct.
Ultimately, Professor Skye is simply correct . Its not like, say, economics, where there is scope for political debate in the academic sphere. It has been almost universally accepted by academics that gender and race and sexuality are social constructs. It can be frustrating to see ignorant conservative political commentators pretend that its not the case. I'm not sure why he's expecting everyone in the world to know that though.
@@ljhb48 Yes! I tried to write a similar comment but failed to articulate my thoughts. I’d add that maybe ‘lack of education’ would have been more appropriate than ‘unintelligent’ on Skye’s part.
You can't disagree about gender and race being social constructs lmao you can only be either accidentally wrong about it, or wilfully ignorant.
As far as gender goes, it's separate to biological sex and refers to characteristics that we assign, socially, to what's currently in our society a gender binary. Of course it's a social construct, it's changed over time across societies and even currently is different in different parts of the world.
As far as race goes, unfortunately wrong again. There is NO scientific basis for race. Genetic markers are more varied within groups than they are between groups.
The problem with what you're saying is that your opinion on this just isn't valid. It's like having the opinion that when it rains, that's actually unicorn tears. Like... Cool, I guess, but nobody should respect that opinion because it's objectively wrong.
There are tons of great bands that are considered supergroups. Saying that they're mostly terrible is extremely reductive. This stuff is obviously subjective but here's a list of some of what I'd definitely consider to be proof that supergroups are clearly not nearly always bad:
Cream, Crosby, Still, Nash & Young, Led Zeppelin, Grand Funk Railroad, Derek and the Dominos, Abba, Bad Company, Down, Foo Fighters, Bloodbath, Dream Evil, A Perfect Circle, The Transplants, Audioslave, Khanate, Wintersun, Czarface