What's the Difference Between an Omnibus and an Absolute?

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  • @GemMintCollectibles
    @GemMintCollectibles  6 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    I forgot to mention that the Absolute Editions ususally have a built-in ribbon for a bookmark

    • @malshepard749
      @malshepard749 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Omnibi like cacti

    • @mrnukes797
      @mrnukes797 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Do you know what's the best way to get the main story of Neil Gaiman's The Sandman

    • @ibet4konkc375
      @ibet4konkc375 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What's your top 3 favorite foods

    • @chance757
      @chance757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Mr Nukes thank you for this question! that’s the exact series i wanted and i couldn’t figure out which was better.

    • @fabiolasousa4911
      @fabiolasousa4911 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      OIER

  • @MrMulligan84
    @MrMulligan84 6 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    Gem, right on with this content. As someone who is just getting into comics in my 30's because of people such as yourself and other content creators out there. This is invaluable information, I had to learn a bit of this on my own but without you touching on it in other videos I never would have known.

    • @flawlessvic
      @flawlessvic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I agree man. In 30s here, and there's so much content out there I don't even know where to start. This channel and users have already helped bigly.

  • @117rebel
    @117rebel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    When you pulled out the biggest one I was like “that’s no book! That’s a tome!!!”

  • @joshualong6900
    @joshualong6900 6 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    I didn’t even know about vibranium editions from Marvel DAMN THATS A HUGE BOOK!

  • @beardedshadow
    @beardedshadow 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    You clarified what I'm going to get, thanks, between Omnibus and Absolute. Omnibus all the day.

  • @tylergile4469
    @tylergile4469 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Had to pause the video and comment this. I love the few times you ask us (the viewer) why they did something that way, and you pause, then reply with “ I don’t know” 😂. That pause and response is killing me. Thankyou for the content I started collecting a variety of history books, comics and manga and love watching your stuff!

  • @kaiwilliams141
    @kaiwilliams141 6 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Some runs can cover multiple omnibuses. Geoff John's green lantern run is contained in three omnibuses for example.

  • @allmyself666
    @allmyself666 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    As someone who just recently decided to look into comics, this was very helpful. Thank you.

  • @darthstark55
    @darthstark55 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just came across this clip. Super helpful Gem. Thanks for sorting all that out for this old man. Stay minty!

  • @TheStowAway594
    @TheStowAway594 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    It kind of irks me the way they do all these different editions, I feel like they are just taking advantage of newcomers and exploiting collectors. Anyway great video, I’m sure this will help a lot of people.

  • @Tommy-iq3ec
    @Tommy-iq3ec 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Cheers for the help dude! Love your videos, helps a lot with deciding which comics to get and which versions, keep it up man.

  • @bossberserker82
    @bossberserker82 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    That Adamantium collection 😍😍

  • @chucktownattack
    @chucktownattack 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Absolute Sandman brought me to this channel and I never thought I'd get into traditional comics but after going through Sandman and then Alan Moore's stuff I'm hooked. Thank you for what you do AND saving me an ass of money.

  • @romesrepublic
    @romesrepublic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I normally buy regular hardcovers, but I'm gonna start buying only omnibus's from now on. This video was very helpful.

  • @phillyfrenchy6053
    @phillyfrenchy6053 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know I'm late, but man, as a French guy who moved in this country just a couple years ago, it is so helpful.

  • @sleepyreader666
    @sleepyreader666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome video. I buy all these formats, but hadn't thought about how complex all the types are till watching you run through them.

  • @kazuhirala
    @kazuhirala 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I usually go for TPB mainly because i dont shop for comics weekly, I usually go by monthly, so my best bet to stay up to date would be to go with Volume TPBs, prices aren't that bad also (sometimes).

  • @raptorrancher
    @raptorrancher 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    My favorite new place for content. Appreciate the effort.

  • @MrFish86
    @MrFish86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the new setup. Looks like a nice cozy spot to talk to us from. Looking forward to seeing the different theme displays too. The street fighter mortal kombat display is a great start!

  • @humanecentipede3264
    @humanecentipede3264 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man I'm hooked the honesty is awesome. "A way for them to charge twice for an issue" haha good stuff

  • @themoofs6925
    @themoofs6925 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey dude, just found your channel and am a huge fan. I’ve been collecting comics since I was super young and never even realized the difference between these! I always like to collect the whole series in order. Great video!

  • @MrSteviej893
    @MrSteviej893 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for sharing this...I never knew the difference, and just assumed that all of them were called an omnibus and that they just collected all of the major stories of a particular character.

  • @DarkKnightNation
    @DarkKnightNation 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a GREAT resource for comic book readers.

  • @akuzino1886
    @akuzino1886 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just started collecting comics and this is very helpful. Thanks Gem.

  • @bronzeagebroski9647
    @bronzeagebroski9647 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid bro. I can see a newer collector being helped out immensely

  • @jackstevenroberts
    @jackstevenroberts 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video really helps out on deciding what format I want to collect comics in!

  • @RyanByrne311
    @RyanByrne311 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is super informative Steve! Thank you very much for this.

  • @itszackempire
    @itszackempire 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thanks for having all the various styles all next to each other. I just recently started getting books that were not just TPB's and noticed how different the sizes were.
    I had NEVER noticed that Marvel doesn't do smaller HC books, only the larger formats!

    • @robvanspunkmeyer
      @robvanspunkmeyer 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      it is worth noting that Marvel did regular-size HCs constantly for about 15 years.

    • @stormblade2895
      @stormblade2895 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      robvanspunkmeyer That is correct but runs such as Marvel Masterworks and Premieres aren't always the best to get nowadays (but Panini have started a line in the UK called Marvel Premium which is cool I guess)

    • @robvanspunkmeyer
      @robvanspunkmeyer 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stormblade2895 aye! And quite frankly I'm not sure if I understood the original comment correctly. Did he never notice that Marvel did hardcovers or that Marvel doesn't do them anymore?

    • @stormblade2895
      @stormblade2895 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      robvanspunkmeyer He said that he knows they do hardcovers that are bigger than the size of standard comic (like an OHC) but he says that they don't really do hardcovers the size of a standard comic.

    • @robvanspunkmeyer
      @robvanspunkmeyer 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes, indeed. all good!

  • @brentlevanen2252
    @brentlevanen2252 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another awesome video Gem 💎 I’ve been reading comics for years in single issues and it’s very informative to watch this because I was wanting to get more into buying different formats when it comes to comics. I know what you mean about double dipping, the one series I have in both single issues and TPB is the whole Old Man Series. It truly is an addiction lol. My three favourite things that I read is the Old Man series, Ultimate Spider-Man and the monthly Iron Man and Daredevil series. P.S. after watching many videos the other be set I was happy to buy was the Daredevil by Frank Miller slip case, such an awesome set 😁

  • @danielk3953
    @danielk3953 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just found this video and truly appreciate it! One kind of an in between size is the Image Oversized Hardcover Edition (e.g. Deadly Class and Black Science) that is quite a bit larger than their normal sized hardcovers like the Saga one you showed. I really like those a lot as well as the Dark Horse Library Editions.

  • @bill0175
    @bill0175 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video Gem, very informative, thank you for doing this.

  • @angelicah1212
    @angelicah1212 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thanks so much for these videos! I just started collecting and have mostly trade paperbacks but I'm looking to get Sandman and those omnibus volumes are looking mighty tempting. I saw they released all 10 paperbacks to be collected in one slip case..but I love how those omnibus volumes look...decisions decisions...

    • @angelicah1212
      @angelicah1212 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Changed my mind..just ordered the first absolute volume of Sandman. I have no regrets

  • @robertparker3489
    @robertparker3489 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video and very helpful, thank you for taking the time to upload this !

  • @exiledforce107
    @exiledforce107 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks for the insight, I'm trying to get into big collections.

  • @MyVidMix
    @MyVidMix 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hell yeah! Awesome vid & channel. Explained perfectly. Subbed.

  • @Y2JFan94
    @Y2JFan94 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you so much for this. Very informative especially for me who never knew much of omnibus and an absolutes

  • @jammyc3336
    @jammyc3336 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks you explained alot! I was just asking a friend and he didn't even know. Lol but you def. Cleared it all up.

  • @sen.skyburn7859
    @sen.skyburn7859 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video as usual! I’m a total sucker for an absolute edition. Recently picked up the Jeph Loeb/Jim Lee classic, Absolute Hush.

  • @kerrodlomath9905
    @kerrodlomath9905 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    az always dropping that knowledge helping the peeps out keep it up keep it fresh

  • @mrb1gstufbroy
    @mrb1gstufbroy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Marvel also has their long ongoing hardcover "Masterworks" line. They're the same dimensions as a standard size comicbook.

  • @thirtyacres7504
    @thirtyacres7504 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Uncanny X-Force is one of my favorites as well! This was very helpful. Thank you.

  • @jeremyg371
    @jeremyg371 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could have really used this when I started back up a few months ago. It was a good video though and should really help people. thx Gem man. Have a great one.

  • @23paul52
    @23paul52 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    ALWAYS HERE TO SUPPORT 💪💪

  • @bUnkkErr
    @bUnkkErr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the help you’re the 🐐 going to pick up some omnibus and library editions now 👌🏽

  • @undacoval3rotha
    @undacoval3rotha 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    lots of great info! love the videos man!

  • @brennicolas3093
    @brennicolas3093 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have X-Men: The Adamantium Collection and it’s my favorite book in my collection. So many great stories from just about every era, that can for the most part be read on their own and don’t really tie into a big crossover event or anything. Some of the issues end on cliffhangers, but it was a great way to start my collection. Checked a lot of boxes off my list.

  • @agffth
    @agffth 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m new to comic books. This was really helpful. Thank you!

  • @MyargonautsJason
    @MyargonautsJason 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nice video. Two other differences in the high-end Hard Covers is the paper quality and the behind-the-scenes materials included. A TPB or standard omnibus might be reprinted on newsprint or lower quality paper, while the expensive HCs should have really nice paper, and reproduced at an enlarged size to highlight the art as you said. And most of the Absolute editions have a wealth of supplemental materials, like scripts, pencil arts, sketches, alternative endings, etc.

  • @australiacomicsedge2697
    @australiacomicsedge2697 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video brother thanks for your video I really enjoyed this video. Keep up the great work

  • @mrgamerfuntime
    @mrgamerfuntime 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been considering starting a collection of comics. Thank you for this information.

  • @Richardss2001
    @Richardss2001 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very helpful my friend, you explained it perfectly.

  • @luisguilhermebraganca4361
    @luisguilhermebraganca4361 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This must be the best yt channel ever, gem mint boy, keep it up bro

    • @GemMintCollectibles
      @GemMintCollectibles  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      yoooo thanks Luis!

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      @purplebondsaiyan2987 3 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @aneelahuja1212
    @aneelahuja1212 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i love how 'new comic reader' friendly your vids are. slowly getting into them myself and... its def a hard medium to start at first

  • @marcelahernandez369
    @marcelahernandez369 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They should do a chronological one just for the heck of it. Would be dope to read the first 500 issues in a row of like Spiderman

  • @willlpowerful
    @willlpowerful 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Trying to collect some Absolute Batman releases and this helps a lot, thanks man!

  • @WhoahRang
    @WhoahRang 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a great overview bro. Hope this vid get you ton of views 👍

  • @DropkickMurphysFan01
    @DropkickMurphysFan01 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great video man. What confuses me sometimes is when companies will release the same story but in several different versions. TMNT especially, those reprints from IDW seem all over the place.

    • @GemMintCollectibles
      @GemMintCollectibles  6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yea that happens a lot. A story comes out in single issues, then collected in tpb, then gets an OHC, then an omnibus.

  • @MrBingJob
    @MrBingJob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just wanted to say thanks for this info. As someone just getting into the medium this helps enormously being that I just assumed omnibus a absolute were just different words for the same thing.

  • @InfinityNexusReviews
    @InfinityNexusReviews 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know this is old, but it's worth noting that Marvel have their "Premiere Editions" which is has tpb/comic sized pages, but it has boards and a DJ so it sit's slightly higher on a shelf. I only mention it in case anyone sees one for sale and expects to get an OHC delivered and then they end up with a tpb sized book.

  • @Soccerloumike
    @Soccerloumike 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's what's up!!! Very informative video my man!!! Thanks for sharing!!!

  • @sharkt96
    @sharkt96 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video didn't know there were so many different formats. In Mexico the publishing house does whatever it wants with the formats

  • @Endyson90
    @Endyson90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for making this video and explaining the differences

  • @ricardocarmine2763
    @ricardocarmine2763 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Got sweaty hands just by watching these, thanks for the info!

  • @megameechvideo777
    @megameechvideo777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for the video! that shao kahn in the back? badass.

  • @arrowknee7356
    @arrowknee7356 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly I've read trades and a few omnibuses for years. But only got my first single issue comic in decades. I tend to prefer reading omnibuses due to the larger art, then trades, then single issues. There have just been some ongoing series I have been getting into that I just couldn't wait on. :) Great vid I can share with newbies.

  • @TheYoungWolfI
    @TheYoungWolfI 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your vids are the shit! great stuff. And keep up the recent reads/discussions man!

    • @GemMintCollectibles
      @GemMintCollectibles  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      i know, im slacking. i actually can do the messiah complex/war + x-force. I thought i needed to finish x-necroshia, but it doesnt seem like it connects that much.

    • @TheYoungWolfI
      @TheYoungWolfI 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      All good. Can always do another short recent reads of X-Necrosha some other day. But do what you gotta do.

  • @chrisholt5964
    @chrisholt5964 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great information, many thanks.

  • @erikmena8745
    @erikmena8745 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative video 😎🤟🏽

  • @Juniversal
    @Juniversal 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid. Very helpful..

  • @miKeYdOEsNtLiKeiT508
    @miKeYdOEsNtLiKeiT508 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I use to collect single issues and my main thing lately has been the marvel unlimited app.. I love the way you can easily read and flip thru with the app but I'm thinking of getting into these books

  • @Hazukisam
    @Hazukisam 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    awesome content!

  • @alexgarcia-ct1pg
    @alexgarcia-ct1pg 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So informative bro...good shit

  • @cousins6024
    @cousins6024 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this video really did help...Absolute Editions will be my go to, why would I NOT want to read the entire story? its like buying a 4k movie but it's missing 10 minutes here and there.

  • @fabiansimpson2022
    @fabiansimpson2022 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good review big dawg. Damn good !!

  • @askloglog
    @askloglog 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very helpful, thanks man!

  • @toriztraducciones7470
    @toriztraducciones7470 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So helpful, thank you very much!

  • @ignskeletons
    @ignskeletons 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish I could afford these lol. What I really wish though is that my local library offered these larger collected versions or just more comic books in general.
    We need public places to read comic books!

  • @dantooine4279
    @dantooine4279 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really nice and knowledgable explanation! PS you remind me of Everest. :)

  • @andrewilmot1714
    @andrewilmot1714 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for doing such a great job explaining this. I used to collect when I was a kid and I appreciated you being able to break this down. it's wonderful to see and learn how the art form has evolved. Good job once again.

  • @wowiemnwow
    @wowiemnwow 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i had to subscribe to you after this man keep it up

  • @steveclark1142
    @steveclark1142 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wish they'd come out with Peter David's run of Hulk. this was very informative. maybe next you can get into the prices of these, what they cost usually.

    • @GemMintCollectibles
      @GemMintCollectibles  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      damn...shoulda talked prices here. ah, next time.

    • @xbox-ps4player939
      @xbox-ps4player939 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Paperbacks usually between 15-30 depending on size
      Hardcovers 25-40
      OHC 30-60
      Omnibus' 70-150
      Absolutes 90-110
      And im not sure about the library editions and all that from darkhorse and image
      Usually can find anything in print for about 40% off

    • @GemMintCollectibles
      @GemMintCollectibles  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i think the LEs are usually $50

  • @wolfgangkrauser9735
    @wolfgangkrauser9735 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I will stick with the formats between the single issue and the omnibus, due to the money and the space in the house. I recognize the value of single issues, but the collected are more practical, more durable, and much cooler. Omnibus never was my thing, but I keep my mind opened; I will buy one if I find de arc/saga really great. Thanks for the video.

  • @RonaldDupont
    @RonaldDupont 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was helpful. Thank you.

  • @BigHitCards
    @BigHitCards 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just picked up fear agent 1 and 2. Have yet to read it yet but the book is massive.

  • @billlumburg7594
    @billlumburg7594 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gem 💎 dropping the knowledge 👍🏽. Shout out on the Crisis on Infinite Earths Deluxe Edition, point!!

  • @TechnologyTidbits
    @TechnologyTidbits 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent review. Subbed!

  • @brianthecollectorofall592
    @brianthecollectorofall592 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very informative, really appreciate this video Gem, thanks. Maybe for future informative videos you can go into detail of the different prices for each type of omnibus, absolute, etc. Rarity, Limited editions, low print runs, what is considered a grail? Just a suggestion.

    • @GemMintCollectibles
      @GemMintCollectibles  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yea should have talked prices...they do vary, but something for next time

  • @TheChadTI
    @TheChadTI 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Learned here, thank you.🤙

  • @Puddin_Tame
    @Puddin_Tame 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another great video!
    Sometimes the line blurs between omnibus and absolute format. For example, the Sandman Absolutes. I also wondered why Avengers Vs. X-Men isn't called an "omnibus." This may remain one of life's eternal mysteries!

    • @GemMintCollectibles
      @GemMintCollectibles  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      x-men OHCs are notorious for this. Why are the Inferno books not omnibubs? or fall of the mutants. Sandman actually has absolutes and omnibus.

    • @Puddin_Tame
      @Puddin_Tame 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Right. What I meant is that the Sandman Absolutes can be looked upon as omnibuses (based on the content) but the Sandman omnibuses are not Absolutes(based on the height of the book)...if that makes sense.

  • @Graphicxtras1
    @Graphicxtras1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great selection - you missed off the IDW artist editions (such as MAD one which is huge) as well as the mega-sized Marvel books (Behold Galactus etc)

  • @Ernasto
    @Ernasto 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video of the most common collected editions. Please note, that Marvel Comics did a lot of hardcovers up until a few years ago (i.e. Premiere Edition, Library Edition) in standard comicbook size, with dustjacket. Eventhough they aren't printed anymore, chances are a lot of comicbook stores still have them on stock and they are still in circulation in the used books-market. I wonder if the Monster Sized Editions from Marvel Comics are the same size or larger than the Wolverine Adamantium Collection? I don't have the Adamantium collection. Treasury Editions (a format from the 70's) also seem to be coming back in demand for current works..

    • @Ernasto
      @Ernasto 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      If someone already posted the info I provide, sorry (haven't read all comments)..

  • @stevenkitt242
    @stevenkitt242 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video. Thanks. Any chance you could do a Usagi Yojimbo Collection video?? Pretty please 👍🏻

  • @NotQuiteMint
    @NotQuiteMint 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I needed this explanation in my life so bad 😂

  • @PARISMENDEZ
    @PARISMENDEZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Breakdown

  • @andersonrossi1981
    @andersonrossi1981 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic explanation

  • @fierovalentine8326
    @fierovalentine8326 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Gem, taking his class to school!

  • @TheSwartz
    @TheSwartz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good. Thanks!

  • @heatherr.7460
    @heatherr.7460 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video

  • @Tupiaz
    @Tupiaz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Pretty good walk through I think you could have added the compendium when talking about TPB. I know Walking dead did them over 5 years ago but how wide spread it was is kind of fuzzy for me.

  • @TheDARKNESS8030
    @TheDARKNESS8030 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I mainly get trades saving hardcovers for the stuff I really like. I hate getting marvel trades. They always only give your 4-5 issues for $16 and they charge more for 6-7. DC will always give you 6-8 for the same price. Instocktrades does help mitigate the price from marvel but still a feel bad spending that much for a few issues. My only omnibuses I have are the green lantern by Geoff John's, hack/slash and the punisher max series. Thinking about upgrading the boys collection.