Getting Developers Involved with Testing | Interview with Ester Daniel Ytterbrink

In my interview with Ester Daniel Ytterbrink, we talk about getting developers involved with testing, psychological safety and effective retrospectives.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
1:10 What does "testing" mean to you?
3:30 Perceived lower status of testing and testers
5:30 An argument why developers should not be involved with testing
9:30 What if developers don't want to get involved with testing?
13:30 Differences between how developers vs testers approach testing
18:15 What does "good" look like?
20:00 Good retrospectives
22:00 Dealing with silent agreement (or disagreement)
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[@JayanthSrivatsav]

"Test Frameworks are too powerful that even bad code still works fine" This statement is so true in my experience and with myself in my early automation days. Some times lines of code are given more importance that the logic and the test itself. I have reviewed tests which had 90 lines of code without a since Assert which make the test inaccurate. We know to code but don't know what is efficient code.
Another fact that you mentioned wherein tester have to really work hard to be technical is also very true since we are(Maybe were) not taught programming skills when we are given training on testing. We are just taught to use libraries that already exists. More emphasis Should be give to give more technical training for testers.
Would love to hear your thoughts on what the current/future career path for a tester is.

[@NicolaLindgren]

Thanks for the video idea, will reflect on what I have to share on the topic and will make a video if I feel I have something useful to say :)