The 2nd Coming - An Approach to the Timing
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- Today I want to approach this subject in a whole new way. We know that no man can know the day nor the hour of His coming. We also know we are supposed to look for the day of his coming. So this isn’t meant to be an attempt to guess the date of the 2nd coming. You all know I’m not into that. But I think many will find this interesting as a thought exercise as an approach to thinking about gospel learning and specifically today, the 2nd coming.
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I just wanted to say my husband &I were baptized in the church in 2016,& just got sealed & our endowments we did it in the Brighamcity Temple .It was so Beautiful & perfect
Very dangerous ideas here... Yes the Lord has emphasized that the end will come in a rush. "I will cut my work short" ... "I will hasten my work" ... "I will come suddenly"... And more recently he has said "The time is now" .... and... "Time is running out."
Every time i study the scriptures, i can easily see the similarities between what Isaiah warned us about what will happen regarding the last days and what is going on in our society today, and make no mistake a lot of those events can occur very quickly , all you need is one event that will create a ripple effect , causing so many prophecies to be fulfilled in one go sort of speak. I believe the lord will hasten everything once the the people are fully ripen in iniquity, which i believe we are pretty much almost there, if not already.
Elder Bruce R. McConkie wrote:
“Question: Does or will anyone know when the Lord will come? Answer: As to the day and hour, No; as to the generation, Yes.
“Question: Who shall know the generation? Answer: The saints, the children of light, those who can read the signs of the times, those who treasure up the Lord’s word so they will not be deceived.
“Paul told the Thessalonians that ‘the coming of the Lord’ would be ‘as travail upon a woman with child’; that where people of the world are concerned Jesus would come ‘as a thief in the night,’ that is unexpectedly and without warning; but that where ‘the children of light’ are concerned, the Lord would not come as ‘a thief in the night,’ for they are aware of the ‘times and seasons’ connected with his return. (1 Thess. 4:13-18; 5:1-7.) Thus, though the saints
do not know the day, they are aware of the season. As a woman in travail feels the pains of the approaching birth, so the saints read the signs
of the times; neither knows the exact moment
of the anticipated happening, but both know the approximate time.” (Doctrine and Covenants student manual)
Thank you for this!
The prophet will know see Amos 3:7
@Michelle Chidester correct, and the Prophet Joseph Smith backs you up here!
Joseph Smith and the 2nd coming Concerning The Second coming.
"In the early 1840s, Baptist William Miller stirred considerable national interest with his prediction that the Second Coming would occur in 1843. When one of Miller’s followers claimed to have seen the “sign of the Son of Man” as predicted in Matthew 24, Joseph replied: “He has not seen the sign of the Son of Man, as foretold by Jesus; neither has any man … for the Lord hath not shown me any such sign; and as the prophet saith, so it must be-‘Surely the Lord God will do nothing but He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets.’ (See Amos 3:7.) Therefore hear this, O earth: The Lord will not come to reign over the righteous, in this world, in 1843, nor until everything for the Bridegroom is ready.” Of the Savior’s words that no man knows the day or the hour of the coming of the Son of Man (see Matt. 24:36), the Prophet asked: “Did Christ speak this as a general principle throughout all generations? Oh, no, He spoke in the present tense. No man that was then living upon the footstool of God knew the day or the hour. But He did not say that there was no man throughout all generations that should not know the day or the hour. No, for this would be in flat contradiction with other scripture. For the prophet says that God will do nothing but what He will reveal unto His servants the prophets. Consequently, if it is not made known to the prophets, it will not come to pass.”
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2002/08/the-prophet-joseph-smiths-use-of-the-old-testament?lang=eng
I agree, nothing is done until it is revealed to the prophet. Our prophet has insights and gradually has been giving us clues( Time is running out, we need to be the Zion people to welcome our Savior's return, we need to get on the ark, we are in the 9th ending of the game, and other warnings). We must be a people with eyes to see and ears to hear. We should always be watching and prepared.
do you have a reference for this?
Edit: found it. I totally missed your mention of the student manual. It is indeed in said D&C student manual under section 133 " The Lords Appendix to the Doctrine and Covenants."
Cool quote. Thanks for sharing it!
Once it all happens the prophecies will be clear.
So seems like every other day now there is some statement from the prophet or apostles that is saying “buckle up and be ready for the Second Coming”. So whether it is soon or not the Lord wants us to believe (or at least behave) as if it is tomorrow.
And to that I say “Yes please!!!”
Thanks for making me think more about things. Speaking from a personal perspective: The prophet / apostles have said that my daughter and I are "the women". We were also just asked to be "the people". 🥰🥰These two things validate answers I received 3 years ago pertaining to my family. I have also learned that what we imagine is typically NOT how things go down. Personal miracles tend to happen at "times we think not". We are told the same of the Second Coming. I know all prophecy needs to be fulfilled. However, I know events can take place in a variety of ways according to His will - and yes, quickly. We read the word "quickly" a lot in the D&C, etc. The world is moving quickly. It makes sense to me that to counter the world - righteousness and prophecy would need to move at the same pace. Look how quickly change has happened in the Church & in the world the last 4 years! President Nelson is deliberate in his words (per him and his wife). He would not be using the direct verbiage he's using if things were not more imminent than most think. I'm so grateful for a prophet, for prayer and for the Atonement. We have been given everything we need to get ready. I hope we are choosing to do so the best we know how. Here's to getting in...and staying on...the ark!! 😇
On page 32 of the book The Millennial Messiah written by Elder Bruce R. McConkie of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, it mentioned about the prophet Joseph’s prophesy on the subject of Second Coming. In one sermon, prophet Joseph said “We’re I going to prophesy, I would say the end of the world would not come in 1844,5, or 6 or in forty years. There are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes”.
Elder McConkie explained that “The rising generation includes all those yet to be born to parents then living. Manifestly many of these are now among us and will be living after the year AD 2000 has come and gone.”
In the second volume of the book Doctrines of Salvation, President Joseph F. Smith said that some of the people already living on that time(1936) will witness the Second Coming of Christ.
Last General Conference, prophet Nelson said that “In the coming days, we will see the greatest manifestations of the Savior’s power that the world has ever seen”
Now, I believe that prophet Nelson is referring to the preaching of the restored gospel to the middle east, China, N. Korea, etc where missionary work is not yet allowed.
Brothers and sisters, if prophets Joseph Smith and Joseph F. Smith are correct, and judging from the subtle utterances of prophet Nelson and the current apostles, then I can say with confidence that the Second Coming of Christ will happen in the next few years. I don’t believe that there are people who will reach the age of 150 or even 140. So yes, 15 years max!
The Lord is hastening His work. Who would have thought that the church will announce 118 temples in the span of just 4 years?!
Let’s repent of our iniquities and prepare ourselves to that great and dreadful day.
Wow! Where can we buy these two books you mentioned?
Never learned about the prophet Joseph’s prophesy as well as the statement of Pres. Josep F. Smith. Very interesting
Very interesting that when you quoted Pres. Nelson you said he used the word “we” and not you.
@@vickivandever4492 Pres Nelson did use “we”. I believe it’s not just a general, motherhood statements. And I hope that he’s referring to the gospel being preached to every nation. Far fetched? Nope, if Jesus created the universe how come He can’t make all countries allow religious freedom now?
On 2018 gen. conference, Pres. Nelson said, “ IN COMING DAYS, it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, comforting and constant influence of the Holy Ghost.” More than a year later, covid 19 hits that turned our lives upside down then followed by unbelievable inflation and the war in Ukraine.
Wow' What a Great Analogy!! Thanks'
Just my thoughts. As a 75 year old, the second coming for me, will be when I leave this frail experience, I will meet my Saviour. As I cannot see how you compress all that still needs to happen. However! What President Nelson said at the October conference, that WE need to be that righteous people, to welcome him. In my life, I welcome him every day. Hope to see you all, in the millennium.🥰🙏🇦🇺👍
Amen good Brother!
Amen ❤
There have been many things that have already happened that many don't realize, though. People keep saying so much needs to happen but...how do they know it HASN'T happened? Where have the prophets and apostles said, "x,y,z hasn't happened yet."? There might be a couple things, but I've been seeing quotes from past prophets that have listed off things that have already happened that people are still waiting for. I have not yet found a scripture that says that the saints will see and know every single prophecy that is to come to pass.
“The greatest events that have been spoken of by all the Holy Prophets will come along so naturally as the consequences of certain causes, that unless our eyes are enlightened by the Spirit of God, and the spirit of revelation rests upon us, we will fail to see that these are the events predicted by the Holy Prophets.”
George Q. Cannon
@N true but two major prophecies have to happen first. The redemption of Zion and the return of the lost 10 tribes. Both of those will be large enough that the active preparing members of the Church will know about before He comes for His world wide 2nd coming event.
A couple pieces of scientific evidence that might assist here: the Earth is literally speeding up, setting speed records to the point where there’s a discussion about whether or not we need to add a “leap second” to our system. The Earth’s magnetic field is weakening, not linearly, but at an accelerating pace. The magnetic poles are drifting. Pluto lost a significant amount of its atmosphere in the blink of an eye (as far as these things go). Storms on planets that have always spun one way started spinning in the opposite direction, which no model ever predicted or can explain. Uranus or Neptune, I can’t remember which at the moment, is cooling far more rapidly than ever (2006-2022). We are living in unbelievably consequential times, no matter how you approach the world.
The time is not far distant, relatively speaking. Our leaders used to emphasize living within our means, family home evening, having a balanced life, etc. Now they repeatedly mention Zion, Second Coming, and temple covenants.
In Rev 16:12 we read, “And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.” Have any of you seen the pictures of the Euphrates of 2020 vs 2021? The difference in the two is just astonishing… things are happening fast! I can't post the pics here... I saw it via a video... amazing!
We’ll… I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions. We aren’t even persecuted yet…
@@Tova-Barin the church itself has been facing persecution. The government has gone as much as threaten to shut down temples if they didn't comply with Covid orders. There is more than just this, but my point is yes the church is being persecuted and it's from the government itself. Threats to individual members is not significant in the grand scheme. Groups trying to destroy religious institutions is.
@@Tova-Barin Watch the video that Christian Homestead did about the recent devocional the prophet and his wide did in Canada. Sister Nelson mentioned the persecution and great opposition that happened before last general conference and that many of the speakers paid a high price to deliver their messages. Because of that she said they knew it was going to be a unique conference. She said she couldn't reveal more about the subject, and that after this life we should ask her and she would tell us "more, a lot more". We ARE under persecution, it will only turn worse and more obvious.
@@Tova-Barin people are persecuting each other inside the church! We’ve seen that heavily and scripture says it will happen from within His church first and it is! It will get worse but we’re deep into it. Lots a crazy stuff going on with members.
I'm persecuted often for standing for the truth and trying to raise people's awareness and spirituality. There are those that are unknowingly led by the Spirit, those that are led by the Spirit and those that seek to be led by the Spirit. Here is the hard part to hear my friends...
There are those that are unknowingly led by the adversary, led by the adversary, and those that seek and strive to be led by the adversary and they are unified organized and active in lobbying the govt and keep their constituents informed on legislative agendas. I know some and have met some of these antichrists. The war is REAL and is upon your doorstep! We must stand for the truth at every opportunity and be wise and seek the spirit in our voting and uplifting and spiritual studies and development lest we find ourselves inadvertently helping the "wrong side". Cast off pride fear AND ego! Serve the Lord in every thought emotion and deed. Only then will we be able to stand the day!
Something to keep in mind is that the Lord has told this dispensation that he will hasten His work, that He will cut this work short. How short? Idk. It has also been said that these events will be compressed. How compressed? Idk.
We don’t know the day or the hour, but we will know the season. I think many many people can feel it. Like a mother in travail, we feel it.
Our Prophet has asked us and especially the youth be prepared to be the people that receive Christ when he comes. Our Prophets are telling us it's not really far away, and the way to prepare is to purify ourselves and Hear Him. The Lord is preparing the Church by giving inspiration to our Prophet. I don't think we need a sudoku puzzle to see the signs . Things are just gradually getting very bad.
For those of us who have trouble coalescing all the information spread throughout the gospel, thanks a lot for your hard work organizing it. Too many in the church culture (and the world) push emotionalism and feelings as though they were objective fact and doctrine, it's super refreshing to get some nice dry help studying. You seem to have a real talent for observing patterns in the gospel that I frequently miss, so I never miss a video
In considering all of this, we should also consider that in the list shown in this video of the “things that need to happen before the 2nd coming”, several will be happening almost in concert. Travel to Jackson will protect the saints while: plagues are poured out, Armageddon begins, the two witnesses in the midst of that, etc etc….all over a period of years, but I don’t personally believe it’s hundreds of years away. Perhaps I’m wrong like early saints were, but the riches of prophecy that we receive and the times spoken of in Timothy sure seem to indicate that the ball will likely get rolling earlier rather than later. We’ll see! So happy that so many wonderful faithful people are concerned enough to discuss it all. Truly a miraculous time. I love you all, fellow Saints! ❤️👍🏼
President Nelson said (last month) that we’re in the latter part of the latter days. He also said that we’re in the last part of the last inning. So our generation is not like previous generations.
That's right. He told the youth around the world this summer at FSY that we are in the bottom of the ninth inning. His wife said when he speaks it is not hyperbole. He is very careful with the words he uses. We should be putting exclamation marks next to their messages not question marks. His wife does the same.
We are the people being prepared for the second coming. And many prophesies have already been fulfilled. If we listen to the prophets and apostles they have told us what has been fulfilled. There are few if any prophesies left to be fulfilled.
We are preparing for his return not hundreds of years from now. And we should be excited about that prospect.
@@heavyt7557 we’re not even tens of years, possibly not even ten, & definitely fewer than ten from His appearance to the saints.
@@aritzlizarragaolascoaga6254 Totally agree. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened within 5 years.
I surely hope and pray that it is within 5 years but I think it could be longer. "Even some of the elite will lose their hearts and will be praying for His return". However soon we woukd like it to be we will be wishing He comes sooner it seems. Get acquainted with the principles or else we will not be able to reconcile the dire times ahead. This will be the times of greatness but we will have to give it ALL up. Not some.. all in order to stand the day. Cast off the things of this world and center your every purchase, act, and thought in Him. We must build zion in this world and also in our hearts before He will return says scripture. It is up to us.
200 years from the time the Church was restored sounds like an orderly timeframe.
so excited whenever i am notified of a new video on the channel!!!
Follow President Nelson. He called the entire church at last conference to be that people to receive Him.
Follow the… Spirit of prophecy. That Spirit will lead you to the Lord, the *only* source of safety.
@@redletterdays8534 They've said if you follow the prophet we will have spiritual safety and even temporal safety, if it's the will of the Lord. How powerful is that! Follow Pres. Nelson; his wife said he is our coach for our interview with Jesus.
@@greentree_ All may choose whom they listen to and follow; it is given to them by God. I, for one, am happy to listen to what “they” say and prayerfully consider it, but I will not follow “them” unless the entity authorized by my Master confirms that it is His will for me to do so. As for Sister Nelson, by what authority does she make her claims? Has she been called, set apart, or ordained to preach the gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof? If not, then I will treat her words the same way I would any other Brother or Sister in my local congregation: with interest, and a willingness to pray for confirmation regarding the truthfulness of her message.
She’s getting lots of pulpit time which is authorized by the prophet. 🤔
@@Mike-vg3ub That doesn’t answer my question, at least from a logical perspective. It answers a different question, which, if you can discern what it is, is interesting in and of itself.
4000 years AFTER His birth!?? That does NOT match with "Time is running out" -Pres. Nelson
There are too many with an eat, drink, and be merry attitude right now. We know half will not be ready because of it :(
Hes not saying that christ will come 4000 years after his birth.
Another fantastic video, thank you so much!
Doesn’t matter when so much as our focus now on our savior and serving our fellow man but president Nelson did say this is gonna be an exciting time, so enjoy the ride😎
Interesting interpretation on the term "the meridian of time". I can see how one could hypothesize to divide the time of the earth or its dispensations into 2 equal halves of time - essentially referring to the term as the "Prime Meridian" like that of the Equator. And in late middle English, meridian meant the "middle" or "noon-day", at least as far as I found in my google searches :).
So I get it, and while it is true "the meridian of time" does divide time into 2 halves (B.C. & A.D.), it doesn't necessarily mean of equal halves. The word meridian also has other meanings. For example, synonyms for meridian are words like pinnacle, peak, culmination and climax. This has been my interpretation of the term of "the meridian of time". Of course I know you know all of this and have probably heard this interpretation before. In any case, appreciate your videos and perspectives brother.
Thanks! That's interesting. People tend to understand the prophecies too literally. I don't think it always works like this
Just enjoyed a great Thanksgiving with a good older friend of our family. His patriarcal blessing indicates he will be on earth when the 2nd Coming occurs and will witness it. He is nearly 84 yrs old.
Might be helpful to ask people & their families to enquirer from their family and friends if others have similar blessing of 80ish aged folks with like patriarchal blessings.
I'm not saying that you're wrong. But there could be some misinterpretation there.
Just because it says that he will be on the Earth when the second coming happens doesn't mean that it's going to happen within the next 20 years.
I'm in my mid twenties and I know of several other people where their P. blessings either doesn't say that or it says that they will be lifted up, i.e. die and then be resurrected.
Just my thoughts
We shouldn’t concern ourselves with whether or not He would come during our lifetime. Just be prepared, and you’ll be with him when he comes, whether that is in mortality or the next life, it doesn’t matter. The gospel of Jesus Christ is a gospel of preparation. Not one of guessing and speculation.
With all due respect, and I understand what you are saying, but I for one am VERY VERY anxious for that time. To set all of this backwardness straight, and teach all of those deceived by Satan, real truth. I ponder it often and that has helped me prepare myself physically, mentally and morally. I am SO anxious...
@@rambomoore381 yes we should be looking forward to and hoping it comes quickly. But the point is not to be so distracted, worried and preoccupied with the when that we look behind the mark and not prepare ourselves to meet him now. We are told to watch and pray. To study the signs and learn all we can while we can. But just be prepared. Where you are when He comes doesn’t matter. Who you are does.
@@Cyle-1 From what I can notice, those who are preoccupied and excited about the second coming are the ones HURRYING their preparations to meet the Savior, not the opposite.
@@rambomoore381
As am I! Can't wait for it❤️
I don't see anything wrong with being concerned about that, what would make it wrong would be to just focus on guessing a "date" without looking to have a broken heart and a contrite spirit
Just prior to his death Jesus the Anointed stated "no man knoweth" IN THE PRESENT TENSE. Everyone loves to state contrary to all other scripture that He said, "no man WILL know!" This is the kind of supposition and lack of attention to detail that causes the influx of aberrant doctrine. Amos says, that "surely the Lord God will do NOTHING, save he reveal his secrets to his servants the prophets." Jesus stated in a (very often "uncarefully" read) parable about 10 virgins that a watchman would come and wake up ALL 10 of the virgins who "slumbered and slept." and that the watchman would say "Behold! the bridegroom cometh!" There is more. He will come as a thief in the night, but the good man of the house has the agency to know and be prepared, and his house need not be broken up.
"Old Testament
The Prophet Joseph Smith’s Use of the Old Testament
By Grant Underwood
Of the Savior’s words that no man knows the day or the hour of the coming of the Son of Man (see Matt. 24:36), the Prophet [Joseph Smith] asked: “Did Christ speak this as a general principle throughout all generations? Oh, no, *He spoke in the present tense* . No man that was then living upon the footstool of God knew the day or the hour. But He did not say that there was no man throughout all generations that should not know the day or the hour. No, for this would be in flat contradiction with other scripture. For the prophet says that God will do nothing but what He will reveal unto His servants the prophets. Consequently, if it is not made known to the prophets, it will not come to pass.”12"
I’ve read a statement Joseph Smith made that indicates the statement made by The Savior referred to those alive at that time. As we are being urged to prepare for an almost imminent 2nd coming by the prophets now and in Joseph smiths comment he quotes Amos 3 The Lord will not do anything that he doesn’t first tell his prophet. That list of things that have to be accomplished has problems but I’m not going to cover that. Listening to our Prophet is a safe way to live.
Here's your quote.
Joseph Smith and the 2nd coming Concerning The Second coming.
"In the early 1840s, Baptist William Miller stirred considerable national interest with his prediction that the Second Coming would occur in 1843. When one of Miller’s followers claimed to have seen the “sign of the Son of Man” as predicted in Matthew 24, Joseph replied: “He has not seen the sign of the Son of Man, as foretold by Jesus; neither has any man … for the Lord hath not shown me any such sign; and as the prophet saith, so it must be-‘Surely the Lord God will do nothing but He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets.’ (See Amos 3:7.) Therefore hear this, O earth: The Lord will not come to reign over the righteous, in this world, in 1843, nor until everything for the Bridegroom is ready.” Of the Savior’s words that no man knows the day or the hour of the coming of the Son of Man (see Matt. 24:36), the Prophet asked: “Did Christ speak this as a general principle throughout all generations? Oh, no, He spoke in the present tense. No man that was then living upon the footstool of God knew the day or the hour. But He did not say that there was no man throughout all generations that should not know the day or the hour. No, for this would be in flat contradiction with other scripture. For the prophet says that God will do nothing but what He will reveal unto His servants the prophets. Consequently, if it is not made known to the prophets, it will not come to pass.”
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2002/08/the-prophet-joseph-smiths-use-of-the-old-testament?lang=eng
However we make the assumption that the prophets will outright tell us... I believe he already has but not in so many words. The prophet would go against principles and character to say anything in such a way that would incite fear or anxiety. If you question as to whether you should prepare... look no farther than your knees and simply ask The Spirit of truth. What better confidence can you have than this? If you fear you will not get an answer or that it won't be revealed... it will not. Repent, be open, study it out, focus all you are and have in Him and He will tell you the things you need to know. May God bless us all in this.
Misquote by Elder Golden. Check what he said vs what’s in Amos 3:7. Any more doubts check JST - - no surprises there either.
I studied this topic very thoroughly and found something of interest to you. The word meridian is a derivative of the word median or middle number. So if you have a count of 50 cars, the median would be the middle one. So when we look at the generations leading up to Christ, from one of the gospels (Mathew I think) we get 76. Based on my own family history, we are currently in the 150 or 151 generations from Adam. I am not saying this is how to interpret the word Meridian, but after some deep study and prayer, this is where I was lead, to the number of generations.
Here is another free tid-bit for you... In the Book of Mormon, the timing as in the year of his coming was specifically revealed in detail, but the location was not. In our day, the location(s) have been revealed but not the specificity of his actual coming. Food for thought.
You know in your heart what this all means and you are a part of it
A minister was praying to God: "O Lord, we know that a thousand years is but a day to You, and a million dollars is but a pittance to You. Won't You please lend this poor preacher a penny?" After a moment, the voice of the Lord came: "Sure, just a minute."
Thanks for your videos! I love them and use them often as a teaching aid! I’m currently teaching post-baptism lessons and these have been a blessing!
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I feel that the use of the phrase “meridian of time” is not literal, meaning that there won’t be an equal and exact number of years prior and post to Christ’s life, but that it is describing our unit of measurement of time. We know that numerology in scripture is largely symbolic (the use of 40 as “completion”, 7 as holy and finished, 3 as a parallel to the trinity, etc.) and so I think its fair to apply the same principal to the use of “meridian”. We measure time with Christ’s life as a “0” on the numeric scale.
His life also changed the measurement of time for nearly all cultures upon the Earth. It’s impossible to calculate years past in relation to years forward because of the difference in calendar by culture (Hebrew, for example) This doesn’t even include the minuscule difference in angle of celestial orbits and the degrees of angle on an exponential scale. There are so many factors that I’m certainly not educated enough in. 😅
President Nelson said we are running out of time. 🤷♀️
@@jeremychristensen2875 Definitely not in this case. They're practically bashing us over the head with it and people are still thinking it's so far away. If them telling us we're the people who will welcome Him doesn't convince you...I just don't even know what to tell you. Sister Nelson literally just told us to get on the ark (at the Canadian devotional a month ago.) They could not be more clear unless they said it's Thursday at 8.
There is an important part of the puzzle left out - when truly did “time” begin? It began during the creation period and was certainly in play during the time Adam was in the Garden, before the fall. When all the creations began their assigned roles (stars, planets and earth) - “time” began. The earth was in a terrestrial state during that time and will be again during the millennium. So…a critical missing piece that can certainly eat up a lot of “time”
Good point. Did time start when Adam was created, or when his mortality began? How many years was he in the garden before partaking off the fruit?
OR Maybe the Meridian of time is reference to the beginning of his creations and not just this earth. Eternal prospective?
Meridian doesn't necessarily mean midpoint in time, it can just mean a high point.
That's interesting. I have seen it used that way. I mean even the Latin version means noon. And noon is not the middle of the day but the time the sun is at it's highest point. Then I found this interesting definition of Meridian Moon. "this marks the exact moment when the Moon reaches the highest position in the sky." And I would say, Christ coming to Earth, overcoming sin and death, is probably the highest point of the Earth existence. But even if it means half. We literally do not have any scripture on what happens after the Millennium. Who says that the time the Earth has just ends there? The only thing we know post Millennium is Satan is loosed for a season. So we know things do happen post Millennium. But what if there are other things God has planned for the Earth before it is made celestial? We don't know, and to assume God has no plans post Millennium for the Earth, seems to be taking a huge reach. Because God has not hinted either way. And I would suggest that God not saying anything, means God does have plans more than God does not have plans. Because if God was going to just make the Earth Celestial right after the Millennium, I think God would have probably said so. But that fact God leaves that open, makes me think there would be more that God wants to do, but is not willing to go into those plans until after the Millennium. Because that could really open a whole new can of worms, that really has nothing to do with our salvation.
@@GodIsOurSalvation Agreed. And since we know the earth is SO much older than a few thousand years, there's clearly many great mysteries yet to be revealed.
I like your approach to gospel study. In my study of the LDS canon and teachings of Joseph Smith, I have found that the dispensation of the fulness of times did not begin with Joseph Smith, and has not commenced publicly yet.
As you pointed out that every era awaits or awaited for the coming of Christ. Personally I think this helps level out the test of mortality. We all have had a belief that Christ would have come during our time period. Which hopefully improves our actions and gives us hope. We are all then judged on the belief that he was coming during our era.
Meridian doesn’t mean middle. It means highest point… or climax. Christ’s life is the absolute highest point of our existence…. Forget about the number of yrs and focus on events…. I like your idea of a chiasmus. Types and shadows of things to come or be fulfilled
I have loved all your videos but watching thing caused my heart to be troubled. I believe our saviour is coming soon following the directions from President Nelson and our Apostles. Because my heart was troubled I will believe He is coming soon
He most definitely is coming soon! Our life time soon!
" *Of the Savior’s words that no man knows the day or the hour of the coming of the Son of Man (see Matt. **24:36**), the Prophet [Joseph Smith] asked: “Did Christ speak this as a general principle throughout all generations? Oh, no, He spoke in the present tense. No man that was then living upon the footstool of God knew the day or the hour. But He did not say that there was no man throughout all generations that should not know the day or the hour. No, for this would be in flat contradiction with other scripture. For the prophet says that God will do nothing but what He will reveal unto His servants the prophets. Consequently, if it is not made known to the prophets, it will not come to pass* .”12"
- The Prophet Joseph Smith’s Use of the Old Testament By Grant Underwood
Christian Homestead made a video about this.
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We vet all opinions by the words of our prophets, church endorsed materials and the standard works. If they contradict those things we can only accept them as opinions and should be taken with a grain of salt.
This video only promotes the saints to be "at ease in Zion." The confidence in which he claims to understand prophecy is troubling. Please focus on the prophet! The prophet just told us that we need to prepare to be the people who welcome Christ when he comes again. He didn't say to get the next generation ready. It's our generation! And it will come quickly, of that I testify.
Amen Amen!
Thank you.
You cant miss this, all of this is true
This is the first video of Kevin's which gave me a bit of struggle. I couldn't get the feeling that the Lord intended the word meridian to mean "middle" (though I still feel it could be argued as such even on a 7,000 year timeline) so much as a dividing line, or as it is defined in Merriam-Webster "a high point (as of development or prosperity)." Certainly Christ's appearance in mortality is the absolute high point of this earth's history, regardless of where it falls in time. I did some more searching and found the words of James E. Talmage as found in the 6th chapter of "Jesus the Christ" to be germane- "The term 'meridian,' as commonly used, conveys the thought of a principal division of time or space; thus we speak of the hours before the daily noon as ante-meridian (a.m.) and those after noon as post-meridian (p.m.). So the years and the centuries of human history are divided by the great event of the birth of Jesus Christ. The years preceding that epoch-making occurrence are now designated as time Before Christ (B.C.); while subsequent years are each specified as a certain Year of our Lord, or, as in the Latin tongue, Anno Domini (A.D.). Thus the world’s chronology has been adjusted and systematized with reference to the time of the Savior’s birth; and this method of reckoning is in use among all Christian nations." Perhaps more poignant is the statement immediately preceding this: "If the expression be regarded as figurative, be it remembered the figure is the Lord’s."
Great work !
Also remember that there will be a 'shortening' of days toward the end, whereas toward the beginning it seems the days were lengthened as to lifespans, etc.
For me, I'm focusing on the end of the gentiles. This seems to be around the corner, then the rest will happen. The first will be last and the last will be first.
Yep, and more to that point, when the missionaries are called home which signifies the end of the ‘times of the gentiles’. Then the ball really gets rolling.
I took this completely differently. When I studied this I had the impression that Christ being born in the meridian of time meant that he was born in the middle seal of seven seals. That means he had to have been born between 3,000 and 4000. He was born near the end of that seal. The fifth seal opens with the martyrdoms. My impression was that the fourth seal ended with his death and opened the fifth seal. But that's just me.
I like that.
Or, I've thought of "meridan" in symbolic terms, just as "40 years" isn't meant to be taken exactly literally. "Meridian " could just mean "between", approx in the middle.
I have thought about this for many years as I am sure many people have. I want to add some information that I have considered.
1- The Jewish or Hebrew calendar only tracks 3760 years before Christ. Next year will be 2023 (year 5783 according to the Hebrew calendar).
2- We need to also consider the 30-some years of Jesus's life. This will push the 2000 years after Christ's death, which would be in the mid-2030s.
3- We also need to look at the resurrection of all people. The morning of the first resurrection and the evening of the first resurrection, If we look at a morning and an evening as one day or a thousand years (maybe during the millennium), and the morning and the evening of the second resurrection as another thousand years, but the evening of the second resurrection would be those that are going to outer darkness, which to get there would be a small group, and would not take very long.
4- Also the time it takes to change the earth into a huge crystal. I would think this would not be done until all people have been resurrected and assigned to kingdoms.
In my opinion, John Pratt built the most compelling chronological argument. Wish he was still with us…
Look up his article on Enoch’s 10 Part Prophecy… interesting stuff.
I have thought about “meridian of time” and have been confused but had the thoughts that meridian could be used to show that is how we would determine ages, which it is. The Lord also stated He would “hasten His time” which He has. We know that after 1000 years of peace Satan would be loosed for a little season, which indicates time continues after 1000 years and then comes the last resurrections and judgement which will take some time. Not only this but is time being measured through one eternal round? I don’t think so but the possibility may exist. Does time change? We know time dilation does measurably exist in very natural ways. With natural known laws of physics, this is possible, if we do not place restrictions on the Lord it is very possible to happen shortly. Is time we are measuring start with Adam, if so, when with Adam?
Also, no man knoweth the day nor the hour… this has been addressed but I would also add that a bride-groom preparing his house in Jewish tradition would build upon his fathers house and his father would deem when it is finished. It may be completed but must be inspected. A man who has not started building would not know the day nor the hour but when it is completed and if He is of of the same heart and mind of the Father, He may know when the Father’s inspection would be and what He may say. I have the opinion that the house is completed enough that the Father has inspected. The prophet has received specific revelation and has given us in modern terms ancient scripture testifying of the Saviors return and millennial reign. In my opinion anyways. I know that for me, I am understanding much more and it is very subtle.
The Lord will do nothing but he reveal it to His servant the prophet. We know the Lord has been revealing a lot to President Nelson, that is why he is telling us to prepare to receive the Lord at His coming
Will we be able to set our watches by the Millenium being 1000.000 years? What if it turned out to be 957 years? Or 1123?
We need to watch and pray. World societies and cultures are changing at a pace never seen in all of history. Just recall how much has changed since before the pandemic! Based on the words of Prophets and Apostles, we're close. Also, how much more wicked can the world become? Your "how bad does it have to get" video seemed to reach a conclusion that we're basically there; the rising generation has essentially no chance to embrace and live the gospel with the society we now live in.
We're close.
I had a blessing and was told that I was going to live a very long ,long,very very long long very long time. I am now 76 almost 77yrs old. time
I am very concerned about my family and friends who have gone totally innactive and haven't made any plans to come back into the fold.whst will happen to them i wonder?
Considering statements currently being made by the Prophet and many of the brethren, I personally think it is close. Additionally, look at the season. If you're paying attention, attacks against the Church are just beginning to ramp up. World events and society at large just scream that the end is here. That's my two cents. Additionally, the Lord's statement that no man knows the hour may have been said in the present of when he said it. I'm sure he knows now. And the Lord will do nothing save he revealeth his secret unto his servant the prophet. So... could it be President Nelson knows?
"Old Testament
The Prophet Joseph Smith’s Use of the Old Testament
By Grant Underwood
Of the Savior’s words that no man knows the day or the hour of the coming of the Son of Man (see Matt. 24:36), the Prophet [Joseph Smith] asked: “Did Christ speak this as a general principle throughout all generations? Oh, no, He spoke in the present tense. No man that was then living upon the footstool of God knew the day or the hour. But He did not say that there was no man throughout all generations that should not know the day or the hour. No, for this would be in flat contradiction with other scripture. For the prophet says that God will do nothing but what He will reveal unto His servants the prophets. Consequently, if it is not made known to the prophets, it will not come to pass .”12"
One alternate way to interpret meridian of time may be could be the meridian of generations? I just checked my ancestry and found about 66 generations back to around when Christ was born (67 for my kids) and there were 77 generations from Christ to Adam. Some lines could easily be 144 at this point. I just found this an interesting perspective! Great videos!
We don't know how He measures time ❤
I was told in a know your religion class that the meridian of time re: Christs birth was the high point, not the middle
The 2nd Coming will be greater then His birth as the world is redeemed. His birth is the middle point from Creation and Final Judgement.
Is the word Meridian more important that the number 7? I don’t think there’s any precedence for making this 8 besides this interpretation of meridian of time.
8 often represents ‘new beginnings’ so i think it could be that the 8000th year could be that new beginning
Don’t need to focus so much on the Meridian of time, the events are pretty well spelled out in Revelation and D&C 77. Second coming shortly after the opening of the seventh seal.
Isiah 54 verse 16 and 17 is about Joseph Smith
So no man will know the day or the hour but those that look to His coming will know it as a woman knows she is about to give birth. Quite frankly... His coming will be Glorious and anticipated with hope however what is more consequential to us here in mortality... imo it is knowing when the coming hard times will be! And it is upon us brethren. There will be many many years we will need to live in trying times. That might be an understatement. We must cast off ego pride and fear or we might not survive to see His coming. It's NOT enough to have food storage. We MUST be building zion NOW! If you read the scriptures related to Zion... it clearly says time and again... it is up to US to build zion first before He comes. He is waiting on us to cast off the world and realize that we must learn to give ALL we have and all we are to Him in all that we do in order to stand the day. I love you all. Let us focus more in the now than in the past or future. He WILL come... probably sooner than most woukd expect and probably later than most would hope. Let us fill the measure of our cup and put our shoulder to the wheel and become unified in spirit and in purpose. There are HUGE opportunities for those that have the will and mind to do His work. Are we making plans to save ourselves and our direct family? We must think bigger than that. Our family is bigger than that. We need to stop compartmentalizing our families as our only concern. They are ALL our family and the Lord wants ALL that would be saved to be saved. Who is to be the ones called the saviors on Mount zion? It won't be just because you served a mission or because you are LDS. We have almost full access to resources now. Let us get the plowshares now! So that we needn't forge as many from swords. Why does the Lord tell us the future? So we can be wise. Think outside the box. Turn to the Lord for inspiration and you will be given the ways in which you can take part in His work. Cast off your cares for this world and all you have built up and perceived to be your own for you could have been given nothing if not For His mercy and grace. Nothing is ours but our will. I pray we all rise to the opportunity before us and prepare the way For the enviable coming of our Hero and Loving Master Jesus Christ who IS the symbol of Unconditional Love! I will see you all on the other side... or in Zion... whichever comes first it mattereth not .. so long as we each are able to fill the measure of our cup. I pray this be the case for us all.
I have heard that Jesus is in the meridian of time but not int he time that we consider time but of time of generations. I had watched another presentation that explains how many generations were born prior to Jesus and then how many would then generations after. Any thoughts on this interpretation?
When the primary song ‘Latter-day Prophets’ no longer has room for more prophet names, then the second coming. There’s room for one more name after Russel M Nelson
This comment made me chuckle (in a good way). I had never considered that, but you may be onto something!!
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Meridian doesn’t necessarily mean “middle”- it can mean “high point” or “focal point” . Looking up the synonyms for meridian yields definitions for height, peak, and pinnacle. I use this to think that Jesus came in the focal point of the temporal time of earth. Not necessarily both halves are equal, but both sides look towards Christ and the atonement
The phase is "meridian of time," not meridian of years. In all likelihood the actual length of a year, the orbital period of the earth about the sun, is far from constant. Even now the rotational period of the earth is gradually decreasing ever so gradually. Velikovsky asserted that the orbital period of the earth shifted from 360 days to 365.25 days, probably around the time of the Exodus, whan Joshua made the sun stand still in the sky. Also note the "advanced ages" of the anrediluvian fathers at the births of their birthright sons. Were biochemical processes going at a snail's pace causing them to mature over what we in the here and now think of as an entire lifetime? Or, was the actual length of the antediluvian year much much shorter. All these things considered, we may be at a considerably different point along the real absolute time continuum than the count of years may suggest, not to mention changes that could be brought by about in the lead-up to and onset of the Millennial Reign when the renewed Earth is to be drastically changed and receive a "new heaven."
Another perspective: In the parable of the Ten Virgins the Lord came much later than expected. The foolish were not prepared because Christ took so long. D&C 45:26 "... and they shall say that Christ delayeth his coming until the end of the earth."
What is the scripture that the world has a temporal existents of 7000 years?
Instead of using years… try adding up the generations prior and then after… I think you will find that to be a better measure of “Meridian of Time”
I have been instructed by Jesus Christ to always seek out the day and time whereas the first year of plenty manifests itself if so. Well, it has. The lord came to me on January 1st, 2019 on this morning and, previous to his instruction to ready and steady myself, I was given the question as to the livelihood of my very soul. The question was if I am willing to accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God, and my personal savior. And that any one person who denies him as the chosen son of God, as Jesus Christ, shall loose their soul. I immediately knew that he is my saviour, lord, and true friend Jesus. I knew and know now that I have surrendered to him. The years of plenty will last 7 years. The years of tribulation are the next 7 years on up to...the second coming. This is the only way I'm able to keep a timeline and allow room for adjustment in preparing for our lords day or reappearance. We were instructed that the second coming will be 2000 years after his resurrection. This is a timeline that the lord has blessed my life with. Kevin, this video actually confused me and I refused to let it confound me. Thank you for the videos, and thanks for being candid. The theory that you have about having to add 1000 years to the timeline will not work if the years of plenty have been established. May God always bless our homeland, this promised land, and the world for God so loved the world! Amen...
Without feeling the need to share the entire field of reason to my case...lemme just say that what matters is living in the way of Christ. Not the dynamics of the.2nd coming. It's gonna happen no matter what. What ultimately matters is what you have control of and sifting out those matters that you have no control of. That and the message of the gospel is and was never intended to be a puzzle. This idea is founded not by those who are as a child but by those who've been looking beyond the mark and by those in Hollywood would have you believe that it is. The gospel is and always has been plain and simple. And nothing that you acquire about the when and where and how the Savior returns is gonna be of any value on a personal level. What will and what does matter...is THE message. HIS message. To come follow Him. Live as He lived and now lives. To be saviors of men. To become a 'loser' unto the betterment of those around you. To be detached from money and things. To not force things, especially revelation, and to be committed to actively live in Gratitude everyday and for always. To make a radical change of heart happen and make it permanent -- like a butterfly that will never tear off it's wings to crawl along the ground ever again. To love those you encounter and approach each and every day as if they were your own blood. To keep clean the vessels of God you bear. Those vessels which bless each of us with the experience to discern opposites through our senses. For if our eyes are covered in mud -- it makes it very difficult to see and to behold the beautiful... if our ears are filled with dust -- it makes it hard to hear.. if our sense of touch is dulled -- we are prone to be burned... and so forth. You get the idea. Moreover...we become what we choose to 'consume'. We take on the attributes of the very nature of those things we deliberately put into our bodies and spirits. And among other things -- never take credit into thyself. All glory to God. This is what matters. 🙏☯️
I was thinking along these same lines. Our personal worthiness is what’s important; that we become more Christlike, forgive everyone, stay on the covenant path, help the poor and disadvantaged, be kind and above all strive to acquire the gift of “true charity”.
Our adult son, husband and father of three died unexpectedly in 2020. His Second Coming came much sooner than we all expected. We have lost many friends in the past couple of years of all ages. Life is unpredictable and who knows but what there will be many more unanticipated deaths in the years to come. The counsel from our leaders to be prepared is timely for a variety of reasons.
I totally agree and we can still talk about the second coming because the brethren are. There is nothing wrong with quoting to ourselves and others about what the prophets have said and are saying. It is a form of bearing our testimonies and the brethren have told us to spread their words among scattered Israel including what is shared in Conference.
Sister Nelson spoke in Alberta Canada last month about her husband and the brethren. October was a singular conference in which there was great opposition to stop them from sharing with us the revelations they had received. I consider conference talks revelations meant for us. She said to ask her after this life what that opposition was. She said 200 million were ready and hungry for the truth conference would bring. There are many not of our faith that are hungry for the truth and are paying close attention to the words of the prophets.
Sometimes we are the only ones that might be able to reach people with their messages . For that reason I am going to shout for joy in sharing their words and the prospect of Jesus Christs imminent return in power and great glory. And that the Savior will manifest the greatest miracles this world has ever seen between now and when he returns as the Prophet said will happen.
It’s very interesting…
I wondered about the Meridian too!
What is the Silence in the Heavens? Is there A video on that?
We also know much tribulation must come to pass before the Second Coming?
Do you know how the Church will grow?
And how it will change?
Do you think the Church has many bold changes to make? We’ve made small ones, nothing outrageous. Come Follow Me program is a title to reading scriptures we were already doing! And a shorted church experience was a big change to the class time we have, but again nothing too out of the way… didn’t change in a bold way…
Will we receieve more canonized scripture? Will the missionary program change? Will we experience more creative freedom to start ministries and projects throughout the world? Will we add many styles of worship music to our Sunday service? Will evangelicals join us and add their style of worship?
Will women begin to give blessings? What changes can we look forward to?
I'm sure I read somewhere Elder McConkie suggest the little season satan is loosed will last 1K years, hence Jesus did come in the median of time.
Funny thing - BC and AD -
New nomenclature is BCE and CE supposedly meaning Before Current Era and Current Era, but I like to say Before Christian Era and Christian Era therefore bypassing the anti-Christian modern newspeak -
Something that should be noted that most member do not know, and could help with your sudoku puzzle, is that "the seals", while they indeed represent a 1000 years of history, are NOT opened at each 1000 year interval, they only represent the works of men for those 1000 years respectively. AND that the things that John saw at that time they were opened were not actually things written in the books for that seal but what were happening live on the earth at the time the seals were be opened. So think of it this way, when the seals are opened John is already looking at the the book and that is when the beast calls his attention -- away from the seals-- to see what is happening on the earth. (This understanding comes from Joseph Smith and can be found in the the book "Teaching of the Prophet Joseph Smith" p 289.) Therefore the 5th seal could have just been opened a few hundred years ago or even a week ago in heaven and we would not know it except for the events which will happen here on the earth that John saw when the seals were opened. This also means that the 4 four horsemen of the apocalypses could happen in our day or more plausibly could have started happening just a few hundred years ago at the time of the restoration. (Brigham Young had some interesting teachings on that) So the mention of a "little season" in Rev 6:9-11 could actually be 200 years or less. This would coincide well with the "little season" mentions found in the Doctrine and Covenants about the redemption of Zion. Now just for clarification I do not believe we are in the 5th seal time period or that the second coming is 2000 years from now, just that all the seals were opened by Christ after His death and all the events that John saw happening on the earth, or in heaven, where happening while the seals are being opened. I believe we are very close to the Second coming-- or rather the first chapter of the second coming where Christ comes to His saints and to all those events that take place before then. I know this might be kinda hard to get your head around. It took me a while, but if you give this some thought and prayer a lot of things in Revelation and other prophecy start to be more understandable and orderly.
The Second Coming of Christ
A Scriptural Perspective / The Generation We Know / The Signs We Know / The Times & Season We Know!
“And unto you it shall be given to know the signs of the times, and the signs of the coming of the Son of Man”
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 68:10 - 12).
“For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore, let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.” (New Testament | 1 Thessalonians 5:1 - 6).
“And again, verily I say unto you, the coming of the Lord draweth nigh, and it overtaketh the world as a thief in the night-Therefore, gird up your loins, that you may be the children of light, and that day shall not overtake you as a thief.” (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 106:4 - 5).
If we are the “children of light” we will feel and know and understand the approximate time of the Lord’s return just as a mother knows the approximate time of her child’s birth.
“Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Therefore, be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.”
(New Testament | Matthew 24:42 - 46).
The “faithful” will be given “meat in due season!” Is Christ the “meat” “in due season”? I think so. Can we know when Christ will return? The scriptures tell us NOT the day or hour but if we are “the children of light,” we can know the “generation” and the “due season.” When is that season? Who is that generation?
Christ emphasized this point in his personal teachings for the end times. In Matthew 24 He said that we should watch the “fig tree.” The fig tree is a common scriptural symbol for Israel and the nations of the earth. Jesus said:
“Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel & the Nations); when his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till all these things (in verses 5-31) be fulfilled.” (New Testament | Matthew 24:32 - 34).
“This generation shall not pass, till all shall be fulfilled” (Matt. 24:32-34). Who is that generation that will see all this happen, including the coming of Christ in glory? Let’s find out. Understanding symbolism is the key to wisdom and understanding.
The state of Israel came into existence on May 14, 1948, and was recognized by all Nations, symbolizing the “branch is…tender, and putteth forth leaves;” this refers to all the Nations witnessing and observing that Israel became the “State of Israel” in these latter days. This means those born in 1948 when Israel became a nation, are the “generation” that would be around when the Lord returns! The fig tree is (the Nations of the world who allowed Israel) to re-blossomed and since then Israel has been putting forth new leave, or in other words, rebuilding the Nation of Israel ever since. That puts it in my lifetime, I was born in 1949, I was 70 years old in 2019.
Watch, Listen, and Ponder these interesting interpretations of the “Fig Tree" on TH-cam
Parable of the Fig Tree
The symbolism of Christ cursing the fig tree (Israel)
The Leaves of the Fig Tree
There is a different definition of Meridian. Here are a couple of definitions from different dictionaries. One is “a high point”, from another dictionary it is “a point or period of highest development, greatest prosperity, or the like.”.
When Christ was on the earth the fullness of the priesthood was on the earth. As well as the fullness of the gospel. The fulfillment of so many prophecies, as well as the greatest of all possible kings. A God who was an actual son of God The Father walked among men. It was considered so profound that our whole calendar system resolves around it. I think that would qualify it in many ways as a high point in time.
I think the little season is 1000 years. Reason for this is too often we see in scripture cases were the amount of righteousness is counter balanced by an amount of darkness. 40 days and 40 nights. 7 years of plenty followed by 7 years of famine. God is a just god, so having 1000 years where satan and his followers are sealed followed by 1000 years where they have pretty much free reign makes sense to me.
7,000 divided by 2 equals 3,500; less 1,000 equals 2,500.
Approximately 2500 A.D.
We know the general progression of Last Days "travail," especially that it intensifies. We know Christ's birth & atonement are the meridian or line of demarcation of human events because God's children observe His atoning sacrifice in anticipation and then in memory. Secular people even refer to events in terms of before or after Christ's birth. It's not supported in scripture to claim this key event is a literal midpoint in time. Far more useful are the symptoms and intensification of the travail.
I think many misunderstand the term “meridian”. This seems to represent an “alignment”of times for Christ’s First Coming. In other words, a perfectly agreed to point of time between Gods, angels, prophets and mankind, when Christ would come to mortality. Meridian by this definition does not represent a literal mid point of history, but times coming to fruition.
Just my opinion, but as a footnote to the “meridian of time”, I believe that this represents a pinnacle point of time as an “alignment” of times for Christ’s First Coming. Geographically, a meridian represents a locus connecting points of longitude and latitude. Per scripture, this term is applied metaphorically to represent a perfectly agreed to point of aligned times between the Gods, angels, prophets, and mankind, when the Savior would enter mortality. Thus, the term meridian represents the highest point (pinnacle) and not a literal midpoint of history, but as a superlative for times coming to fruition. In contrast, a low point (antimeridian) forms in an alignment when the four (complete number) angels bound in the Euphrates are loosed at a specific “hour (Gods time), day (angelic time), month (prophetic time) and year (man’s time)” during the sixth plague of the seventh seal period for the annihilation of the third part of man (telestials) correlating with Armageddon (Rev. 9:15; 16:12-16). This represents the removal of telestial beings, unworthy to see The Christ at His Second Coming in glory.
Simply put, a meridian would represent the highest point in world history. The antemeridian will represent the lowest when 1/3rd of God’s mortal children will be cast into perdition during the Millennium.
Interesting. Would you be willing to flesh out your argument a bit more? I’d like to look into this…
There are four seasons in a year
If you take 1000 years split it by the number of seasons you get 250 years for a season if you have a short season it tells you it's below 250 years or more closer to 200 years
We have a first apostles and Desiples
Maybe the Prophets
The ones that died after the restoration of The Church of Jesus Christ ❤️📖
And some people not many who believed in the truth and prayers reaching up to Heavenly Father's ear
All those who are being killed now ❤️🙏
If it is the Lord's intention for us to feel a sense of urgency and to be prepared for the second coming, then all you did through this video is cause the opposite which for me resulted in confusion and apathy.
This is just speculation but from Joseph Smith translation revelations 12 church is the woman and she is protected for 1260 years. If we remove the millennium where christ reigns in glory from that and add that 260 to the time the church was officially established we get the year 2090. In regards to a little season, a season is a 4th of a year. A 4th of a millennium is 250 years.... possible 2nd comming in or around 2080 to 2090?
If “meridian of time” is relative to the family of the House of Israel (and not the family of man) then the start point is about 2000BC.
So that’s interesting.
This would put birth of the Savior in the “middle” only if you put end date at the return of the Savior. 🤔
Well, it depends on when you want to start this. Abraham (Abrahamic covenant) 1948 BC. Jacob (Israel) was about 2025 BC.
Meridian doesn't necessarily mean middle. Read the 1828 dictionary. At least one definition is: The highest point; as the meridian of life; the meridian of power or of glory.
Actually it didn't mean middle at all. The closest definition given to middle is mid-day which could be interpreted as middle, but not enough that one should hold rigidly to that.
Pray about this and find out the truth of all straight from the source including this. Don’t conjecture and get the real truth from God!
Meridian does not mean middle, center, halfway point, etc. per se. Meridian is simply any demarcation point of time.
The Meridian of time = fullness of time (IE Christ's mortal ministry). The Time of the End = the fullness of times = the Day of the Lord.
Sudoku is a… puzzle. So, some people study the gospel like a puzzle, but you study the gospel like a… puzzle? What am I missing? 😂😂😂
Ourpresident Nelson has said it is soon get on the ark we're in the last half of the ninth inning that's not a long way away
Elijaha comes first. Then Jesus.
0 to 1,000 equals one,
1000 to 2,000 equals two,
2000 to 3,000 equals 3,
3,000 to 4,000 equals 4,
4000 to 5,000 equals 6,
5,000 to 6000 equals 7,
7000 to 8000 (millennium)equals 8
Total being 8000
Same goes for creation.
So what happened to the 5th millennium?
He is already here. and He is pissed
I love your content and you are very knowledgeable, but I believe this quote from Joseph Smith clarifies the “No day nor hour” misconception. The prophet WILL know the day and hour.
“Of the Savior’s words that no man knows the day or the hour of the coming of the Son of Man (see Matt. 24:36), the Prophet asked: “Did Christ speak this as a general principle throughout all generations? Oh, no, He spoke in the present tense. No man that was then living upon the footstool of God knew the day or the hour. But He did not say that there was no man throughout all generations that should not know the day or the hour. No, for this would be in flat contradiction with other scripture. For the prophet says that God will do nothing but what He will reveal unto His servants the prophets. Consequently, if it is not made known to the prophets, it will not come to pass.””
Look at my comment, this is for you
Have you attempted to entertain the idea that Adam wasn’t 6,000 bc. We have megalithics 12,000 years ago with garden of Eden-like stuff.
Dude, I first of all, do not know when the second coming will happen. But, I watched another video you did, and in that you said that you didn't care what anyone else said, the second coming could not be soon because it didn't fit your timeline. It sent chills up my spine. I had just heard President Nelson essentially say just the opposite of that. And now hear you are saying it again. Maybe you should care what someone else (the prophet) says. You can believe what you want and I'll do the same. But I will be following the prophet. No matter what, any timeline says. After watching several of your videos, I think from now on, I'll pass.
Meridian does not mean middle point, so that whole tangent was completely inaccurate.
Sorry for you brother - What is your goal here? The Saviour commanded us to watch, so those saints watching are simply fulfilling that commandment. Matt 24:48. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming... ...50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Cool video but all creative periods only last one week or seven thousand years. Six thousand years of turmoil and the world rests for a thousand years. Meridian here is just general and not exactly in the middle.