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The Making of Warhammer | Sixth Edition: Replenishing the Ranks
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ค. 2023
- This is the fifth part in my continuing series tracking the making and evolution of Warhammer Fantasy Battles and we’ve just hit the 17th year and 6th edition of the game!
Warhammer 6th edition has gone down in history as one of the most well balanced and well supported core games that Games Workshop has ever released. An edition that sought to refocus the game away from the herohammer of 4th & 5th edition and towards big, strong units. Army composition, plastic miniatures manufacturing, magic systems, and more would all get completely overhauled. Maker of Mordheim Tuomas Pirinen was leading a top flight design team. And the legendary John Blanche would be back in the driving seat for the art and design of this beautiful vision of the Warhammer World.
This was intended to be the definitive version of the Warhammer game, but how could such an ambitious goal be realised?
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This series has been fantastic. You are doing an amazing job.
Thank you!
The 6th edition starter set did not contain a cut down mini rulebook at all. It was the full A4 book, but in softback.
My mistake, thanks for the correction!
@@jordansorcery 7th Edition (Battle for Skull Pass) came with a mini RB. From memory, and without looking it out, it just cut out all the lore and most of the hobby stuff and just kept to the core rules. This was in line with the 4th edition 40k box, Battle for Macragge, which might (?) have been the first time the 'mini rule book' thing was done by GW in this format.
I think this is where I made my error and conflated the edition formats whilst neglecting to fact check myself!
@@jordansorceryDude, don’t stress it. Love your content and your humility!
Can we nominate John Blanche as the Hieronymus Bosch of 21st century ? ABSOLUTELY.
If there were an expo somewhere displaying his works, I would totally go to see that! I never quite understood comments about his work being “just sketches”. The form of his drawings are not the point, it’s the atmosphere they evoke that gets to you, like expressionist art. So while he explores the same themes as Bosch, the style of his form was different nonetheless but intentionally so.
You mean nominate?
6th edition🥇
This is _peak_ _Warhammer_ for me in terms of tone and feel. The Old World never felt cooler and more grounded than during 6th (and Mordheim). If they ever do movies or television shows set in The Old World I hope this is what they go for. Great job Toumas Pirinen.
Fully agree! Best edition by far, grimdark low fantasy. Not the BS from 8th Ed.
And it was atelast, balanced out of the tin.. Some later books fucked it up and was easy to abise.. But with decent players it was not a problem. Not too much stupid Herohammer anyways. Great times. I hope The Old World is mostly like that.. if so, it has the potential to be real good.. Make Warhammer Great again! And fakk Age of Shite.
@@ja37d-34 I remember the Choppa rules in the Orcs & Goblins army book in 6e: "not small boys named Kevin" 🤣 Ironically it felt as if the later editions very much were aimed at... well, small boys named Kevin.
@@NisGaarde Yeah.. REtard the game down so also retards can play.. But they usually played the Ex Mode factions like Chaos.. ;)
6th will always have my heart. It's the edition where I had the most fun and I still enjoy playing to this day.
Such a great edition.
Toumas is a legend!
Agreed!
Watching this while painting my strictly 6th ed Tomb Kings army, I still live in this era of fantasy, it's my passion and hobby. You managed to make this interesting and entertaining even for a middlehammer grognard like myself, thank you very much Jordan!
Thank you for your support, glad to hear there’s more tomb kings mustering for war!
I recognise that book! This is where I jumped on the bandwagon! Got the Empire and Orcs starter set. Was so scared to cut the sprues haha
Fascinating stuff, I really loved the Bayeux Tapestry-inspired art style, and writing from "within" the Warhammer world is such a great approach to worldbuilding.
Agreed!
The quality of your writing and presentation is spot on.
Thank you!
Thank you Jordan. For me this was THE definitive edition of Warhammer. My eternal thanks go out to Tuomas Pirinen, John Blanche and Rick Priestley ♥
I really hope we get a Ravening Hoardes for Warhammer the Old World! That was my favorite part of 6th edition & was one of my favourate periods of the game... before army books it was magical... but then I loved Dark shaddows & still use a dark emissary as my grey seer.
I’m interested to hear more about The Storm of Chaos. I have noticed that GW tends to already have an outcome decided for their global campaigns. Fortunately they’ve dial the stakes back to IRL outcomes rather than in-world changes.
I started playing during the last years of 5th edition and got to live through the release of 6th... I can't overstate how much of an improvement it was!
This was the edition I was introduced to when I first picked up the game as a small wee stripling. I still remember leafing through the Compendiums over and over again! Ah, good times.
If Karl Franz’s middle name were Leonard, we could call him KLF.
This is one of many reasons why Blanche is the shit. I came to warhammer through Fighting Fantasy and it’s been his work that drew me in and remained a constant. What a career.
Brill videos. I’ve watched loads now. It’s like snorting parts of my childhood. Bravo.
But Franz is Karl Franz's middle name. His last name is "von Schliestein-Holstwig" or something ;)
Don't know if that's still canon, but it was for a while in WFRP. If it isn't Karl Franz's last name is now probably Unberogen (Sigmar's last name) or von Reikland or something.
Quite possibly. The bit about KLF was a bit of Blanche marginalia in one of the illustrations
Brilliant. I’ve been waiting for everyone to be in bed so I could watch this in peace, and it didn’t disappoint. Can’t wait for more.
Giving it viewing priority for those rare moments after the family is in bed is high praise indeed! Cheers Stu!
Another great video, loved it! Only one note: I would have liked more of an explanation about how unit strength applies to minotaurs and infantrymen
I knew the extra 10 minutes of explanation shouldn't have ended up on the cutting room floor - next time I trust my gut!
@@jordansorcery 😂😂
The best version of WFB IMHO ! This was the glory days of the game..the good old days lol.
Yeah and I still play it but the later armybooks sadly are way more powerful than the early books…
And the steamtank and the rhinox cavalry are kjust bollocks…
Indeed, best edition of the game. I still play it a few times a year
I was so happy when I saw you got part five of your series released. I absolutely love this series as it takes me down memory lane as you tell the story.
Glad you've been enjoying them!
6th edition of WHFB is when I got into it and 3rd edition 40K was when I got into 40K - it all makes sense now, your videos have illuminated so much for me, thank you!
I still have predilections for that art style and type of setting; which is probably why I came back to 10th edition 40K after a ~15 year hiatus and am looking forward to seeing what OldWorld will be.
Journey onward, sage sorcerer!
Very informative, can't wait to hear your thoughts on 8th edition
Thanks for the videos. I started with the german White Darf #3 and the four Drunken Dwarfs minitures; the sixth edition was my major playing time. The Time to hate Chaos, Greens and Skaven, but there are forever: Colin Dixon’s minitures! Dance whith the ancestors!
You old tease!! I'll have to watch this tomorrow morning.
I'm hoping to see more in this series. 😊
Another banger! The shelf space problem continues to this day, they had to kill (most of) Aeronautica Imperialis to make room for Legions Imperialis, and I assume Forge World recently purged a bunch of their stuff to make room for The Old World... be careful what you wish for... anyway, looking forward to the next part! I assume things can only get better and brighter from here!!!
Thank you! Indeed, the ride is soon to get rocky!
warmaster and sixth edition is how i met wargaming as a teenager. i agree its the most epic of all editions and that warmaster is the best itineration of warhammer ever made.
Great video, this series is so interesting, the work you're doing here is awesome
Thank you, I'm glad you're enjoying it!
I really love your videos. My complete gratitude for you effort.
Thank you!
Another fantastic trip down memory lane. Thanks mate. 😊
Thanks Stevo! Glad you're still enjoying them!
6th edition was the last I played...Finally playing as The Empire was no longer a guaranteed loss XD
I tried to get really involved with both of the World Wide Campaigns but had the most fun in Dark Shadows. The scenario's in that booklet were a lot of fun and offered the full scope of the expanded rules with a skirmish-based naval landing, a low-points siege game and various other interesting battle set-ups. It's actually a great booklet for any kind of campaign, be it 2-player or multi-player.
Storm of Chaos got really serious on some of the internet forums I was a part of, especially among the Order-side players, who got astonishingly organised which really threw GW for a loop. I think it lasted some 3 months and GW really had to shoe horn in a fighting-retreat narrative so that there would actually be a siege of Middenheim in the last month as the majority of battles in the North-Eastern Empire were being won by the Order side.
Seriously, some people appeared to have the time to closely monitor all the various win-loss ratios being reported (the website for storm of chaos was quite good for the time) and direct their hobby-forum teams to which Empire cities they should play for. Apparantly the Chaos side didn't have enough people like that ;)
In my IRL warhammer circles however, it wasn't really a thing that people wanted to get involved in, so I think I contributed only a couple of games. Especially my closer friend group didn't have the spread of armies to really do anything relevant in home games (Empire, High Elves, Wood Elves, Bretonnia and Orcs & Goblins) and for games at the store it was also difficult to find the correct line-ups (and it was summer holidays too). I found it immensely exciting so at least kept an eye of what was happening.
How GW tied up that campaign in the end can only be compared to season 8 of Game of Thrones...
A wonderful video as always, sir!
I don't think enough can be said about the visual style of Warhammer in general, and what the game's very identity owes to its artists. John Blanche and the others were absolutely brilliant, and they created a world that can be recognized at a glance, that you can't mistake for any other. Warhammer, whether Fantasy or 40K, owes a tremendous debt to those artists who paved the way and the ones who follow in their footsteps to this day. If you'll forgive a melancholy note on what is a magnificently positive channel, it's a debt I hope Games Workshop remembers one day.
I think you are dead right - so much of GW's overall success rests with the tremendous work of their art teams. There are lots of other factors of course, but it really feels like the worlds of Warhammer and 40k came to life at the will of so many incredible artists, painters, and illustrators. If nothing else, I know just how much their work played a role in capturing my imagination.
And there are just not enough words to explain how important John Blanche and his work have been to crafting the worlds and games that we love!
I'm an outright apologist for Storm of Chaos, mostly because im fond of how the aftermath was used in 2nd ed WFRP the Empire Source books with long lists of cities in Ostermark and Hochland with Population 0 (formerly 6000) had a kinda haunting effect.
There is some fantastic story telling in Storm of Chaos, I'm keen to talk about it more!
The ravening Hordes times was truly good. The most balanced WHFB ever was..
The 6th Ed art was peak. Those Karl Kopinski pieces can be framed and put on a wall
Man that dwarf book was funny. Youd have an empire captain with a biting blade and a 4+ save against a dwarf Thane with 2+ enchanted gromril and a rune weapon that turns you inside out on a 2+.
The epic history presentation continues, thank you. Squeak-Squeak 🐀🌠
I love the 6th starter, but the real jewel of course is the rulebook. It has so much in it. Crushes what followed. Paired with Ravening Hordes it might be the best one-two punch we’ll ever see.
4:45 you may be surprised to learn that Warmaster has been resurrected by dedicated fans and is now bigger than ever with multiple international tournaments around the world.
I was shown the living rulebook recently - it looks great!
Loved this edition. Only bought the rulebook rather than the starter box as was knee deep in my Bretonnians by this stage but when they release Old World I might finally collect an orc army...
As much as I agree it was the best edition and the attempt at making it a unit-centered game was clearly visible, at the same time the rules mishandled the idea of Core units, making it possible to fill this part of an army (most of them) with just a few points, to load up on more cannons, steam tanks, dragons, magic levels...
The comprehensiveness and presentation of these videos is great.
I have watched the whole series on warhammer and can honestly say I have learned soo much.
I loved the game for 7 years and you clearly do to!
Fantastic video! 6th was the bulk of my WHFB time, and it'll always hold a place in my heart. Like a formative friendship or relationship, it had it's ups and downs, and it'd be all too easy to paper over the bad stuff with nostalgia. The balance of the army books was a trash fire, annual price hikes were still enraging the fan base and the nascent internet communities were very much the same bad signal to noise ratios that you see today. The models and art were gorgeous, though. And they switched to bad flip top paint pots from the diabolical screw top hex pots that maimed you while still letting your paint dry out. Storm of Chaos lived up to it's name on the GW forums for sure. Still had a blast playing and painting, and GW is still my favorite company to hate for their prices and choices.
Steve Pritchard was the Games Dev Manager at the time rather than a writer. Good guy.
I didn’t realise he was the Dev Manager, that’s great to know! Interestingly, he was created with writing additional material for at least the Beasts of Chaos book
Thanks for the fantastic video! This brings me so many fond memories of the good times we had playing the 6th edition. Certainly the definitive Warhammer edition for me. It wasn't perfect - although damn near so! - but I think it did pretty good job in avoiding some of the special rules bloat that has plagued army books later on.
I loved my Necrarchs and Blood Dragons in 6th edition. It was the peak of my career as a vampire. Many necks were drained, many fields were littered with dead, and the blood upon my steel had little chance to dry. Beautiful times. GW could only screw it up from there.
We don't need "The Old World". Return it to sender. We need 6th edition re-released *as is* and Mordheim *as is* .
I'd love a re-release of mordheim (with updated plastic buildings in the original style)... BUT warhammer needs a new edition to get player numbers back, I'd happily play any edition of WHFB if there was a strong player base (meaning there are always people to play when I get the odd evening with time to play).
We don't need WHTOW for the rules, we need it to rebuild the Fantasy Wargame community round a shared common fantasy rule set, that's why it can't be an existing rule set... even a great one like 6th.
with this edition I did start, the hardcover still sits in my bookshelf behind me. Though I do not play anymore I often find myself strolling through the old art - so inspiring!
So when is Part 6 coming, Jordan? =D
I remember those campaigns from back then (started playing between 4th and 5th and was pretty active though the 6th) - quite a lot of players were somehow dissapointed that world was more or less the same after such huge events. This static nature of the world (mirrored to the meme level by 40k ill-fated Black Crusades that did hardly anything for now) finally got GW moving... and we know how it ended for WFB. 😉
Be careful what you wish for. 😆
Indeed! There's some really good storytelling and world building in those campaigns, and even in the 'static' books of earlier eras. Luckily, it never really bothered me that the 'world' timeline didn't really progress, which I think is why I can still have so much fun with the older editions even though the story went where it went.
Holy crap, man, you are OWNING these videos like a champ!! Very well done!!
Thank you! I'm glad they're staying consistent!
Practically Mordheim saved Warhammer from an excess of cotton candy, butterflies and family friendly. With John Blanche and Tuomas Pirinen at the helm of this rebirth with the flavor of Darkness and Damnation.
Yip, I think the red period was a time where GW tried hard to appeal to conservative parents, but forgot that teenagers don't usually want something that their wealthy conservative parents 100% approve of.
I mean, you obviously never read anything Slaanesh based for the time.
Pretty sure John Blanche was also the art director for 4th and 5th edition.
Oh nice, Alternity: Dark Matter on the shelf :)
I think you’re going to enjoy one of my imminent videos!
I'm so glad I've found your channel and this playlist Jordan. Your presentation style is great and your knowledge is really giving my some great insight. This was my favourite episode so far. Can't wait for that Storm of Chaos vid
Thank you, I’m glad you’re enjoying them! I’m very much looking forward to getting into Storm of Chaos!
The quickly growing channel of JS is also quickly growing as one of my favourite channels on TH-cam!!!
Glad to hear it!
The king of the editions!
Fantastic work! Thank you! It was a trip back into time when Warhammer was so AMAZING.
The kirby red/black book is a thing of horror
Great vid. I still have all the dwarf army books
great, enjoyed this series and this carried on the quality. spat my tea out laughing at 21:30 odds in your explanation of infantry overwhelming minotaurs etc. assume you were intending to be funny at that point, but for a moment, wasn't sure!
Impossible to say!
Such a fantastic series, and so wonderfully written!
Thank you, kindly!
Loving these history lessons
I remember the ravening hordes book of this edition as a real shot in the arm for my hobby. Gave me a desire to collect every single army!
Another fantastic video, Jordan. 6th Ed is where I got off the WHFB train, but I still remember a lot of it from reading White Dwarf. A nice trip down memory lane
By the end of 6th I stepped away from WFB for a while myself too, so researching 7th has been a whole new thing for me!
The backstage story behind Storm of Chaos 2004 is going to be interesting, IIRC the campaign end was summed up in a few pages in White Dwarf that completely reset the status quo and Fantasy never quite recovered in my eyes
It definitely seemed like a turning point! I’m very much hoping I can get to the bottom of why they went so far only to step back. And then repeat the same story again a few years later!
I absolutely love this channel, thank you for this.
Thanks Gator, glad you're enjoying it!
So looking forward to This!😊
I was reading the white dwarf where they released Karloth Valois and was just thinking you should do a video about vampires in 40k, besides him, the blood angels and the old c'tan don't know if there's any more
That's a very cool idea!
They're right there in the original Rogue Trader rulebook - grotesque batlike humanoid psychic aliens which can appear as a normal member of the species they are currently parasitising. They could create and control zombies, and formed cults around themselves (this was before the Genestealer cult concept was created)
I just love your work so much, thank you!
Thank you!
6ed was not without flaws.
Cavalry being OP (and i played Bretonnia lmao), Monsters being a liability for their riders, Initiative being useless, Great Weapons strongly underpriced for their effects, some war machines being still unbalanced (i am looking at you, Imperial Cannons), THE MOTERFUCKING STEAM TANK...
But it was the edition i still love the most.
I usually played my dwarf artillery army against the steam tank and it never lasted long. Was it good? My memory was that it was OK.
I mostly played themed armies in 6th and didn't try to build lists with a primary focus being sucsess, so can't remember what was awesome.. other than cav death stars/blender busses.
Cavalry was very strong, but i wouldnt call them OP. Positioning was very important and if you could work out the angles, you could counter them.
I remember how I played wood elves vs my friends Bretonnia and he charged one of my units with a big unit of Knights of the realm. I chose flee as my charge reaction, which meant he got a failed charge and got completely out of position. Only to be charged in the flank by a unit of 8 wardancers in my turn which completely demolished him that unit.
Imperial cannons were unbalanced? I feel like the dwarf cannons with their runes were better honestly, but maybe i am missing something?
I dont think initiative was completely useless, it totally depends on what armies you play. Great weapons were solid, but I dont think they were OP? Always strike last was risky considering you might not get to strike back at all
Point is, in 6ed if you charge you attack first, also with a great weapon or low initiative. 90% of the fights lasted only one round, unless some special rule was involved. So the drawback of the 2Handed almost never went into place (because you charged or was charged).
Cavalry was OP because it could charge from a further distance. Sure, you could lure them into traps, but if your opponent played correctly, very few things you could do.
As far as cannons go.
An Imperial cannon was 100 points, S10, D6 Wounds.
A Dwarven one was S10, D3 Wounds, upped to D6 with rune...for a cost of 150-160 points.
Imperial costed less and you could fill all of your Special slots and still have room for your strongest units (Templar cavalry), that were Troops.
@jacopodigregorio3873 only a maniac wouldn't take MRune of forging though :) RR misfires
As always excellent work
Cheers!
Thank you for this coverage of 6th edition! I had been waiting for you to shine a light on my favorite edition, and you delivered. One can see how much joy and creativity the crew poured into 6th from the core books, the fantastic models, throughout the WD articles, and onto the supplements I still am hoping to add hard copies of "Lustria" and "Conquest of the New World" to my collection one day. Cheers!
Glad it lived up to the expectations!
Another great instalment, thanks Jordan.
Cheers!
Fantastic as always! 🙌🏻👏🏼
Thank you!
Excellent video.
Thank you very much!
Congratulations!
Thank you!
I had left Warhammer by 6th Ed came back to it at the end of 7th Ed and wasn't a fan. My fav character Ikit Claw was nurfed when he came back then he disappeared for a while. He was one of the more interesting Skaven. For me 4 and 5th Ed are still my fav. Loved the battle magic cards. It was like a mini game making magic interesting. I know some didn't like it but for me I just loved it and you had more variety of spells.
I see the Fur Beast slipped into the warp at one point lol. Also great to see the Fur Beast.
I absolutely loved the Storm of Chaos book and it’s still one of my favourite supplements GW did. Yeah, the narrative step back was frustrating but as a kid I didn’t care because now I had an entire Karak Kadrin army.
Great video as always. Keep up the great work.
Thank you!
Great content, thank you!
Cheers!
Thanks for the explanation.
My pleasure!
I brought this one from the Oxford Street Plaza store on launch day, sadly I couldn't wait to get my copy signed by some of the GW staff who were doing a signing as it was starting in teh afternoon and I had to be at work on the other side of London by then :sobs:
Did get a free Cannon/Mortar kit and a beautiful Parchment Paper style map of the Old World which i still have to this day!
I’ve recently had some games of 8ed and the question I ask myself is why wasn’t I playing 6ed instead. The game was the best at that point.
Amazing! Great video mate, beautifully presented and awesome information - cant get enough of them.
This is where i joined the addiction that is WHFB!
I would love to see a Warmaster vid too - a game i never got to try back in the day, (although now i have the magic of the 3d printer)
Thank you, I'm pleased you enjoyed it! Warmaster will definitely get a video of its own one day!
Really enjoyed your history walkthroughs that you have dine, they are so well done and put together. Will you be continuing the story at sone point?
I will indeed, just working on the next part for release in December!
King of editions
Fascinating. I would definitely watch a video like that focused on Storm of Chaos!
I'm glad - I think it will make for an interesting exploration of Warhammer on the precipice of destruction (irl and in lore) so I'm keen to give it a deep dive
#6erforlife #6ercommunity King of Editions!!!
I think if Warhammer was in epic scale (6-10mm) I’d probably be interested in it more.
Love your videos
I’m glad!
This made me realise, if they had done age of sigmar for 7th edition, maybe even offically making a 6th edition army book historica battle setting, I would probably been way more receptive.
Also PERHAPS more images of the actual models in the videos?
Fair!
Thank you for another great Video. I wanted to get back into 6th ed. As Inpicked up most of the books 2nd hand years ago. There is a lot of fantastic artwork in the books and the models look great. However I do not have the time or patience to play and paint models or scenery anymore.
I'm lucky in that pouring over the books is as big a joy for me as actually playing the game (which I do love too), so I'm with you - just looking through the beautiful art and fantastic world building of 6th again has been a real pleasure!
great video
Thanks!
Loving this series. When's part 6 dropping? Can't wait!
Keep up the good work 👍
It’s still a little way out, but I’m working on it!
6th was my favourite edition. I felt the rules were in a good place and everything felt more balanced and fun.
6th was my first jump into Warhammer. Got ot for Christmas when i was around 14 i think.
Still play 6:th edition at least one weekend every year!
Fantastic commitment, I’m jealous!
Somehow Jordan, you have the ability to inspire and enthuse Old Warhammer Grognards like me with a new excitement for the worlds of fantasy. Thankyou!
I can't take all the credit - these games are just so much fun to revisit!
I heard that it was part of the contract to produce the LoTR at a smaller scale. More than likely though to encourage buying dedicated figues instead of using your Warhammer ones.
It wouldn’t surprise me! Rick Priestley suggested in an interview that at least to some extent it was a cost saving measure too so I’m sure there were a few factors