Snap here, I dunked my 40% rudder more than 20 times that day with no issues but the 50% at 70 lbs wet was another story, every one that plays with the water will eventually go in
Full marks for trying to put on a bit of a show on an otherwise dull day for the attendees. I suggest the critic's bring their own Snapasaurus' and show us all how you can do better in the pouring rain.
2:18, he goes from aileron neutral to hard left aileron as he adds the power. That pretty much sealed his fate. Otherwise, he was adding power just in time. He nearly had it, other than applying aileron the wrong way :) Poor guy, that was some nice flying!
I want to know, did the motor crack when it got in the cold water? Just wondering? The electronics should of been fine. The only thing is cracking and warping of the engine.
Great Flying. To make an omelet you have break some eggs. I respect that you went for it. It's worth risking damage for great flying like that. I bet it wasn't so hard to fix the damage either. Keep going for it as if I have to tell you that.
Looks to me like there was some pilot input on the rudder. You're right though. With up elevator, the plane still should have pitched in the opposite direction. Surface tension??? Or, it might have something to do with the thrust from the prop. Hard to say really. Are you referring to the profile symmetry? From a profile standpoint, hardly any plane has a symmetric rudder. Symmetry generally applies to wing cord.
Actually, since water and air are both considered fluids (from an engineering standpoint) AND water has a much higher density and mass, the control surfaces are many orders more effective when submerged than they are from air or prop wash. A slight twitch of up elevator and right rudder had too much of an effect. Pilot was flying a stalled plane and hadn't expected that level of sensitivity. Water also applies surface tension.
Good on him. He was doing something to put on a show and it didn't pan out. Such is life, it does not make him a bad pilot or person infact I think its he opposite of that. He would have flooded is electronics and stuff so he paid a pretty high price for a mistake.
It looks like his elevator servo froze in the full up position, the rudder looks like it went full left too... after it "lands" in the water, the surfaces are at their extremes... Beautiful plane!
+pompom906 Not really. How can you say awesome skills when he clearly gave the wrong inputs? Besides, hovering a plane and doing snap rolls are really basic maneuvers for any truly "skilled" 3D pilot. This was amateur piloting at best. Risky flying for sure, but definitely not "awesome skills".
well, obviously not awesome skills compared to you, but then again, you are the best at everything. Men want to be you, women want to be with you blah blah blah .... go see a shrink, troll
pompom906 I'm not trying to toot my own horn buddy, I'm just stating the facts. Of course though, pilots who can't fly 3D well would say something like that. He gave the wrong inputs, simple as that. Are you going to deny that? Or continue trying to antagonize me because you're upset somebody challenged your comment?
pompom906 Lol, if anyone is a troll, it's you buddy. You're obviously butt hurt, as all you can do is act like a 5 year old instead of actually trying to argue a point.
because it's called 3d flying. The prop wash is enough to keep the plane flying and under control. It's a very skilled type of flying and takes years of practice.
Well, My ansures to all these dirogatory comments! First off , If you know Eli hes allways been helpful to those less knowlegable, Yes a bit full of himself, but allways a nice guy! Hes done that and a lot more than most in RC has done and made it look good dooing it so many times, The man is truely an entertainer at hart! And he would be there for a friend faster than most, So take a good look in the mirror before you judge! Besides He could afford it! You can call him on his big ass boat in the Meditaranian and ask him ! I believe hes retired from this stuff and chilling in the warm sun somewhere, God Bless, My friend Eli ! Be well
It doesn't really have anything to do with airflow. The reason that the control surfaces have the opposite effect is because the servos find it much easier to pitch the mass of the plane than they do to move the submerged control surfaces. Hypothetically, Its like casting someone's leg into a very heavy bucket of cement. If you ask them to move their leg forward, their leg will not move - instead, their bodies will move forward.
I noticed he didnt use rudder to try to save it. He just tried to flip it upright and use a ton of up elevator. Unfortunately he didnt have the control authority at that speed and how fast it was falling. Maybe he though rudder would just flip the tail down into the lake?
what it appears to me is that he tried to give rudder/elevator input when the tail was already in the water and that through off the gyro balance. He then tried to recover but it was too late.
That was funny, I could see the splash coming, but the pilot wasn't going to to care. I like a man that can flop so much money into the pond and STILL smile and laugh. Looked a simple repair to the tip of the wing, new prop and dry servo's and she will fly easily again. Well Done on the laughs factor, sorry about the fail factor ....next time, when the rudder goes in POWER UP FAST !!!!!!! I regularly drown my 330SC on the Simulator if I wait too long. Next time, POWER !!!!!!! Think Tim the Toolman !!
I was gonna say somthing like "i hope that damage wasn't too serious", but then i realized that having an RC model that big and willing to do risky maneuvers imply you're rich enough to fly that thing at full speed onto a brick wall and not worry about having to replace stuff.
@FB0102 Not exactly, making it torque faster sometimes makes the plane more stable. But he could have throttled up faster (or the engine did not pick up) and I don't see the rudder move, that could have prevented it. But thats still way harder that it looks!
He forgot to thinkn about what happens when he dips the tail in the water. When he does this, the tail surfaces don't get any air travelling over them anymore and can't steer the plane. The plane was allready a little bit sideways when he dipped it and without rudder control, it was no easy task to pull it straight out again, and then he got wet. :)
After reviewing the footage, I partially agree with you. I think that the roll had something to do with it. What I disagree with is that the symmetry of the rudder was responsible. I also believe that my points are valid too. The up elevator DEFINITELY had some sort of impact. What the rudder did whilst it was submerged is pure speculation.
@thegiops Hovering isnt boring in its own right, it is boring if done for more than a minute or two. And yes I would also trade a 4 point roll for a hover any day of the week.
l like the support from friends and the pilots great attitude. Sad to see her in the drink though, bet there has been more tears and triumph in the last 5 years since....
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It looks like his concentration was split just for a second ,,,,at any rate sure was fun ,,,never stop learning ,,,thanks for the TH-cam. 34.
Saw a guy dip his left wing and landing gear into the water by accident, pulling out of a turn where he g-stalled the plane. Managed to get it out of the water and continue flying. Oh, and he was inside the plane, this was at the Red Bull Air Race. Pucker factor 11 no doubt :P
This dude actually wanted a heli... His wife probably said no. ;))
Nice flying!
Snap here, I dunked my 40% rudder more than 20 times that day with no issues but the 50% at 70 lbs wet was another story, every one that plays with the water will eventually go in
Despite the dip in the lake, that was dam fine flying son!!!!
I love how the airplane has a face on the bottom. It's expression is very appropriate considering the pilot's style.
I love that he's controlling it with the rudder and then decides it's a good idea to put the rudder under water and turn it.
Full marks for trying to put on a bit of a show on an otherwise dull day for the attendees. I suggest the critic's bring their own Snapasaurus' and show us all how you can do better in the pouring rain.
2:18, he goes from aileron neutral to hard left aileron as he adds the power. That pretty much sealed his fate. Otherwise, he was adding power just in time. He nearly had it, other than applying aileron the wrong way :) Poor guy, that was some nice flying!
What engine and prop is it on that beauty ? It seems to hover on just above engines idling-speed....?
hey look at me everyone. Then 2:18 oops, you can stop looking at me now. LOL
LMFAO!!!!!! You can even hear it shitting itself.....
I want to know, did the motor crack when it got in the cold water? Just wondering? The electronics should of been fine. The only thing is cracking and warping of the engine.
Saw that happen so many times at nall this year
Enjoyed watching!
@FB0102 You think he should have continued to go inverted?
Why exactly did it randomly yaw? I'm guessing because the rudder was underwater which made it useless but idk
LOL! He's a real bad ass.... don't even get his feet wet!
Do you know if water got to the engine? That may have locked up the piston.
Great Flying. To make an omelet you have break some eggs. I respect that you went for it. It's worth risking damage for great flying like that. I bet it wasn't so hard to fix the damage either.
Keep going for it as if I have to tell you that.
In the end its all about having fun....but whats with the "fish eye" camera lense style or whatever its called this video is shot with?
Looks to me like there was some pilot input on the rudder. You're right though. With up elevator, the plane still should have pitched in the opposite direction. Surface tension??? Or, it might have something to do with the thrust from the prop. Hard to say really.
Are you referring to the profile symmetry? From a profile standpoint, hardly any plane has a symmetric rudder. Symmetry generally applies to wing cord.
Actually, since water and air are both considered fluids (from an engineering standpoint) AND water has a much higher density and mass, the control surfaces are many orders more effective when submerged than they are from air or prop wash. A slight twitch of up elevator and right rudder had too much of an effect. Pilot was flying a stalled plane and hadn't expected that level of sensitivity.
Water also applies surface tension.
Love how the pilot makes the other guy go in after it...
Is it waterproof?
Good on him. He was doing something to put on a show and it didn't pan out. Such is life, it does not make him a bad pilot or person infact I think its he opposite of that. He would have flooded is electronics and stuff so he paid a pretty high price for a mistake.
Hahaha. I love it when the pilot crashes and his buddy goes in the water to get it! Lol.
It looks like his elevator servo froze in the full up position, the rudder looks like it went full left too... after it "lands" in the water, the surfaces are at their extremes... Beautiful plane!
awesome skills, i hope you managed to fix it up again, thanx for the video
+pompom906 Not really. How can you say awesome skills when he clearly gave the wrong inputs? Besides, hovering a plane and doing snap rolls are really basic maneuvers for any truly "skilled" 3D pilot. This was amateur piloting at best. Risky flying for sure, but definitely not "awesome skills".
well, obviously not awesome skills compared to you, but then again, you are the best at everything. Men want to be you, women want to be with you blah blah blah .... go see a shrink, troll
pompom906 I'm not trying to toot my own horn buddy, I'm just stating the facts. Of course though, pilots who can't fly 3D well would say something like that. He gave the wrong inputs, simple as that. Are you going to deny that? Or continue trying to antagonize me because you're upset somebody challenged your comment?
Of course everyone values your opinion, we all value the opinion of internet trolls
pompom906 Lol, if anyone is a troll, it's you buddy. You're obviously butt hurt, as all you can do is act like a 5 year old instead of actually trying to argue a point.
Why it was necessary to do wings?
It was possible to install the motor on a mailbox...
That photo on the tail is FEROOTY
because it's called 3d flying. The prop wash is enough to keep the plane flying and under control. It's a very skilled type of flying and takes years of practice.
Well, My ansures to all these dirogatory comments! First off , If you know Eli hes allways been helpful to those less knowlegable, Yes a bit full of himself, but allways a nice guy! Hes done that and a lot more than most in RC has done and made it look good dooing it so many times, The man is truely an entertainer at hart! And he would be there for a friend faster than most, So take a good look in the mirror before you judge! Besides He could afford it! You can call him on his big ass boat in the Meditaranian and ask him ! I believe hes retired from this stuff and chilling in the warm sun somewhere, God Bless, My friend Eli ! Be well
great flying even though it crashed and a nice plane !
does it hurt the crank on the engine taking a hit like that.?....was digging the video though
what a pity! does the engine is broken after all?
Look mom, if you have an engine big enough, you can hover a brick.
it knew what was going to happen
It doesn't really have anything to do with airflow.
The reason that the control surfaces have the opposite effect is because the servos find it much easier to pitch the mass of the plane than they do to move the submerged control surfaces.
Hypothetically, Its like casting someone's leg into a very heavy bucket of cement. If you ask them to move their leg forward, their leg will not move - instead, their bodies will move forward.
I noticed he didnt use rudder to try to save it. He just tried to flip it upright and use a ton of up elevator. Unfortunately he didnt have the control authority at that speed and how fast it was falling. Maybe he though rudder would just flip the tail down into the lake?
Snap is still the man! :)
When you fly 3D...especially low...shit happens! Sure is fun though
Why he doesnt flyies after he land in water? Plane wasnt in crash!?
Look at 4:38, the right wing tip and aileron are broken.
is it a Edge 540?? and made by who? :) Max DK
its a new motor cooling system. only issue is the motor cant run when you use it.
4000k plane crashes into water, tries to save socks by barely reaching the, instead of walking in and lifting it out immediately *facepalm*
Flying like that actually requies a lot more of skill then hovering with a helicopter.
You do have to wonder at times ...... and this could really be a GREAT Mastercard add!
Haha..the pilot didn't want to get his sweet Air Jordan's from 1996 wet so he made his boyfriend go in after it.
what it appears to me is that he tried to give rudder/elevator input when the tail was already in the water and that through off the gyro balance. He then tried to recover but it was too late.
That was funny, I could see the splash coming, but the pilot wasn't going to to care. I like a man that can flop so much money into the pond and STILL smile and laugh. Looked a simple repair to the tip of the wing, new prop and dry servo's and she will fly easily again. Well Done on the laughs factor, sorry about the fail factor ....next time, when the rudder goes in POWER UP FAST !!!!!!! I regularly drown my 330SC on the Simulator if I wait too long. Next time, POWER !!!!!!! Think Tim the Toolman !!
anyone else see this coming a mile away?
it´s not a chopper! it´s a plane!
He came to Cape Cod Massachusetts with this big dawg.Nice plane.
I was gonna say somthing like "i hope that damage wasn't too serious", but then i realized that having an RC model that big and willing to do risky maneuvers imply you're rich enough to fly that thing at full speed onto a brick wall and not worry about having to replace stuff.
Wow, that's just splashing! Nice, I would hope that everything was just fine afterwards though, like the engine, servos, receiver...etc...
how the freak did he break the prop?
And the pilot inside didn't even flinch through the entire ordeal!
Anybody that can fly and has a plane with enough power can master it in minutes.
@FB0102 Not exactly, making it torque faster sometimes makes the plane more stable.
But he could have throttled up faster (or the engine did not pick up) and I don't see the rudder move, that could have prevented it.
But thats still way harder that it looks!
He forgot to thinkn about what happens when he dips the tail in the water. When he does this, the tail surfaces don't get any air travelling over them anymore and can't steer the plane. The plane was allready a little bit sideways when he dipped it and without rudder control, it was no easy task to pull it straight out again, and then he got wet. :)
New title for video: What RC stunt flyers do when they need an excuse (to tell their wives) to build a new plane!
this is hilarious :) we cnat decide what is funnier, airplanes that hover instead of flying, or guys walking around wit one shoe :)
whats the thrill about hovering a plane like that ,there meant to be flown
if ya wann ahover get a heli
@spoada water turns to concrete when something moving as fast as that prop hits it.. He's got quite a rebuild on his hands.
After reviewing the footage, I partially agree with you. I think that the roll had something to do with it. What I disagree with is that the symmetry of the rudder was responsible. I also believe that my points are valid too. The up elevator DEFINITELY had some sort of impact.
What the rudder did whilst it was submerged is pure speculation.
143 thumbs down??? huh??? Bloody awesome.
@R4TeT Cause Helicopter are stupidly hard to fly, there more control movement with a heli. Plane are more fun and they get extremely huge.
Why????????
do we detect a foreign accent ?
@thegiops Hovering isnt boring in its own right, it is boring if done for more than a minute or two. And yes I would also trade a 4 point roll for a hover any day of the week.
l like the support from friends and the pilots great attitude. Sad to see her in the drink though, bet there has been more tears and triumph in the last 5 years since....
It looks like his concentration was split just for a second ,,,,at any rate sure was fun ,,,never stop learning ,,,thanks for the TH-cam. 34.
MFW I realize most youtube comments are now mostly just titles for a plus post
so where is the feel
I find it odd he didn't try to recover.
I love how the bottom of the nose looks like a scared face
Sooner get it wet than broken I suppose. It seemed to be an accident looking for somewhere to happen.
This is what people do at Joe Nall event. It is called hucking where you should not get the airplane any higher than 2-3 airplane length in height. :)
hovering any airplane is cool but it is cooler without the strings that eliminate the need for rudder & ailerons
it's probably only half the size of the real one!! am i right?
I'll bet those people trying to sleep on the other side of the lake were happy.
How in the world did he not think about the response that would be caused by the drag from the water??
Ma questo è un mago ! Ha trasformato un aereo in una barca !!!
why risk it over water? then again,if you seal it up pretty good,you might in fact sustain less damage,had it been over land,it would off broken up
he was so cocky about it it's sad... 'SNAPASAURUS BADASS' on the back, but the pilot was bad, like an ass.
sounds like someone is making popcorn in the background:)
I just love it when people try to show off and shit goes wrong... Should get a boat for the water instead LoL..
Damage report on deck one ?!?
when your not even crouching to start your plane. ITS PROBABLY TOO BIG!!!! nice flyin bud
If we can do it with models then surely we can do it with a bigger plane. I have not seen one of those !
When you dip the tail in the water, you remove a part of the plane that needs air flow over it to control the plane.
Look it's a Tail Dragger! Sorry to see such a nice plane go in like that though!
The plane wash was 1 mile on the right! LOL
wow... this video nice puting the gyro for plane
thats some funny shit.. Hey look what I can...... never mind.... hahaha...
OH man that is just sad, I hope the pilot was OK.
imagine to be at the lake relaxing and you get WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII WIOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOJWOJWOJ all day long.
The messed up part is that the pilot was too lazy to take his shoes off and get the plane himself.
I like the plane's name
actually, you are wrong. having an aileron DOWN makes the wing go UP remember? he was trying to roll to the right to level off.
whats the thrill about hovering a plane like that ,there meant to be flown
Saw a guy dip his left wing and landing gear into the water by accident, pulling out of a turn where he g-stalled the plane. Managed to get it out of the water and continue flying.
Oh, and he was inside the plane, this was at the Red Bull Air Race. Pucker factor 11 no doubt :P