Another great video Ben! It seems that the conservation is really hit n miss and that they will often not conserve a coin if they think it won’t work or make the coin worse. They still charge you for it on each coin though if I recall
2:12 - Re: Memento Dollar. It must not be so obvious in-hand, but right around this TC the light hits it in such a way that really highlights the cleaning marks in front of the bust.
I think that ngc used to always call chop marked trade dollars as some sort of details or damage and I began seeing a lot of the straight graded on ebay. It seems like they are calling them details again you have to admit it is damage to an extent. I guess it is better to call them cleaned than scratched or harshly damaged.
That 1933 cap and rays Mexican peso looks like the drop three variety I've had one out of 20 plus pesos to look through. You might want to research that coin could add a little more value. ☺️👍
My general consensus watching these “restorations” is to assume if they clean it they’ll be happy to mark it cleaned as well on your new slab. So many sob stories of people doing crack outs and lost thousands hoping for an upgrade only to get the slab of death-cleaned. Ye be warned!
Definitely agree with you, why did NGC charge for "CONSERVATION / CLEAN" performed by their experts and then label the coin as cleaned. Makes no sense.
I once submitted an SLQ to NGC for conservation because it had heavy unsightly toning on its surfaces. They did conserve it which removed the toning, but under the toning were lots of hairlines which were now visible to their graders. So, the coin was now labeled “cleaned,” not because they cleaned it, but because previous cleaning was now evident. This confuses many collectors.
I wouldn’t send chopmarked coins to NGC they will details all of them. Pcgs is the only one that will straight grade them. I think Cacg will also but definitely Cac will approve them
Overall, I think NGC did a nice job with this group, including not conserving coins that were probably best left alone. The only thing I couldn’t understand was how the spot appeared on the British trade dollar. Word on the street is that NGC>PCGS when it comes to conservation, and I saw nothing here to disprove that.
Chopmarks should be an exception from Details grades, barring maybe any coin that is completely obliterated by them. They help tell the story. While not a coin, I have a PMG graded Confederate note with "interested paid" stamps on the back. It does not have a NET grade (details equivalent) or any NET type comments, in fact it was given an EPQ bump (exceptional paper quality). It would details under NGC's coin grading standards. Coin and currency grading are pretty much the same in this sense, so why are we treating one differently?
i don't understand about chop marks either. both pcgs and ngc are not consistent. I see some straight grades like trade dollars with chop marks but others not. same goes with world coins. don't know what barometer they are using to determine their grading.
That's NUTZ that you send a coin to be "conserved" and they call it CLEANED, YEAH BECAUSE THEY CLEANED IT!!! Ugh! Ben, you have the patience of a Saint! These grading companies are really out of hand!!! 🤔🤔🤔
US coins with chop marks are market acceptable and can be straight graded. The Chinese market does not like chop marks so the standard is to give them details grades even if they could otherwise straight grade. Believe it, or not!
Seems as though NGC’s efforts here ended in a bit of a debacle… I see some real weakness of execution in their end-to-end handling/grading of submissions recently. Further, if it is one’s sole purpose to judge/grade quality, it might be wise to apply the same critical eye to one’s own endeavors.
NGC handing out details like it's cool. Not that some didn't deserve it. I'd be curious what the company standard is to give details. Coins have a very rough life out in the world.
i have no desire to start collecting those types of coins or any world coins for that matter, i think it would be hard to collect stuff you cant read or understand.
"Questionable authenticity". Um, aren't these guys supposed to be the experts? Make the call, NGC! Is it a ball or a strike? Can you imagine... "Bases are loaded here in the bottom of the 9th. Moreno at the plate, 2 outs, 3 and 2 is the count - and here's the pitch! Did he get him? The umpire looks confused. He's shrugging his shoulders. 🤷♂️ Did the pitcher throw the ball? The officials can't decide; they're calling it 'questionable'. Oh MY! Well, folks, it looks like we're done here. I guess these fans are just going to have to buy new tickets for game EIGHT of The World Series." No refunds. 🤦♂️
One more reason I don't like NGC for anything. I think they are awful. PCGS is far superior. I've been burned by NGC more than once. NEVER EVER AGAIN. I don't even like their slabs
Those China coins aren't communist. The FatMan and Memento coin and Sun Yat Sen were from the China Republic. The United States Mint wrote the plan for China to mint coins in silver. When Mao overran Peking, Sun Yat Sen (Chiang Kai Shek) took 600 tons of gold with him to Taiwan, The 'Republic of China' China coins minted post 1947 were commie coins. But not the ones that Ben had.
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Another great video Ben! It seems that the conservation is really hit n miss and that they will often not conserve a coin if they think it won’t work or make the coin worse. They still charge you for it on each coin though if I recall
You provided great information when you talk
Nice collection of foreign silver. Definitely interesting results on the cleaning/ conservation. Thanks for sharing. 😎👍
2:12 - Re: Memento Dollar. It must not be so obvious in-hand, but right around this TC the light hits it in such a way that really highlights the cleaning marks in front of the bust.
That mexican peso's toning is nuts. I'd certainly pay a hefty premium for it.
I think that ngc used to always call chop marked trade dollars as some sort of details or damage and I began seeing a lot of the straight graded on ebay. It seems like they are calling them details again you have to admit it is damage to an extent. I guess it is better to call them cleaned than scratched or harshly damaged.
Please educate us on chopmarks. I know I can google it but I would love for you to explain and give some history. Thanks!
Just bought one of them!! Wo-hoo!
Very interesting collection of Chinese coins you have there and congrats on some of the grades they achieved. Cheers ✌🏻😊
Great video Ben👍🏻 Hope can see more topic about Old Chinese and English Colonies Silver Coin
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That 1933 cap and rays Mexican peso looks like the drop three variety I've had one out of 20 plus pesos to look through. You might want to research that coin could add a little more value. ☺️👍
My general consensus watching these “restorations” is to assume if they clean it they’ll be happy to mark it cleaned as well on your new slab. So many sob stories of people doing crack outs and lost thousands hoping for an upgrade only to get the slab of death-cleaned. Ye be warned!
Definitely agree with you, why did NGC charge for "CONSERVATION / CLEAN" performed by their experts and then label the coin as cleaned. Makes no sense.
I once submitted an SLQ to NGC for conservation because it had heavy unsightly toning on its surfaces. They did conserve it which removed the toning, but under the toning were lots of hairlines which were now visible to their graders. So, the coin was now labeled “cleaned,” not because they cleaned it, but because previous cleaning was now evident. This confuses many collectors.
It likely revealed a previous cleaning that hadn't been obvious before preservation.
I had a coin go through their conservation process and it was not graded cleaned.
I wouldn’t send chopmarked coins to NGC they will details all of them. Pcgs is the only one that will straight grade them. I think Cacg will also but definitely Cac will approve them
Step aside boys and girls. That 1933 Un Peso is coming home to papa.
Its all yours my frenddd
Hi Ben, do you know if NCG or PCGS will conserve slabbed coins?
Overall, I think NGC did a nice job with this group, including not conserving coins that were probably best left alone. The only thing I couldn’t understand was how the spot appeared on the British trade dollar. Word on the street is that NGC>PCGS when it comes to conservation, and I saw nothing here to disprove that.
Yeap I'm here
Chopmarks should be an exception from Details grades, barring maybe any coin that is completely obliterated by them. They help tell the story. While not a coin, I have a PMG graded Confederate note with "interested paid" stamps on the back. It does not have a NET grade (details equivalent) or any NET type comments, in fact it was given an EPQ bump (exceptional paper quality). It would details under NGC's coin grading standards.
Coin and currency grading are pretty much the same in this sense, so why are we treating one differently?
Maybe they had been previously cleaned? I thought they would label them as restored when you bought the service?
Can you use your Sigma PMV on your questionable coins to determine if the metal is correct, or not?
i don't understand about chop marks either. both pcgs and ngc are not consistent. I see some straight grades like trade dollars with chop marks but others not. same goes with world coins. don't know what barometer they are using to determine their grading.
love Ben exposing the scam that IS collecting graded coins.
Lol! I am aware of that, they should then tell you that and DECLINE the service.
Get a lot of foreign coins off the bid board - graded by you?
Great Python reference . . . . . . . . .
That's NUTZ that you send a coin to be "conserved" and they call it CLEANED, YEAH BECAUSE THEY CLEANED IT!!! Ugh! Ben, you have the patience of a Saint! These grading companies are really out of hand!!! 🤔🤔🤔
it may have been improperly cleaned before they recieved it.
Coins!
Confusting to me, I couldn't follow the before and after to see the difference.
US coins with chop marks are market acceptable and can be straight graded. The Chinese market does not like chop marks so the standard is to give them details grades even if they could otherwise straight grade. Believe it, or not!
Seems as though NGC’s efforts here ended in a bit of a debacle… I see some real weakness of execution in their end-to-end handling/grading of submissions recently. Further, if it is one’s sole purpose to judge/grade quality, it might be wise to apply the same critical eye to one’s own endeavors.
bunch of beauties
NGC handing out details like it's cool. Not that some didn't deserve it. I'd be curious what the company standard is to give details. Coins have a very rough life out in the world.
Chop marks are the future with Chinese coins.
What's the point of having coin "restored" if it's going to come back as "cleaned". You may as well take a Brillo pad to it and get the same result.
i have no desire to start collecting those types of coins or any world coins for that matter, i think it would be hard to collect stuff you cant read or understand.
FIRST NON SINNER!
So ye without sin, are you throwing the first coin?
"Questionable authenticity". Um, aren't these guys supposed to be the experts? Make the call, NGC! Is it a ball or a strike? Can you imagine... "Bases are loaded here in the bottom of the 9th. Moreno at the plate, 2 outs, 3 and 2 is the count - and here's the pitch! Did he get him? The umpire looks confused. He's shrugging his shoulders. 🤷♂️ Did the pitcher throw the ball? The officials can't decide; they're calling it 'questionable'. Oh MY! Well, folks, it looks like we're done here. I guess these fans are just going to have to buy new tickets for game EIGHT of The World Series."
No refunds. 🤦♂️
If you ask me, they’re all junk dollars
*FIRST*
NOT!
cool bro thanks for wasting space
One more reason I don't like NGC for anything. I think they are awful. PCGS is far superior. I've been burned by NGC more than once. NEVER EVER AGAIN. I don't even like their slabs
Hi Ben. So you stained your junk! I don't collect commie pinko coins. 🦉
Those China coins aren't communist. The FatMan and Memento coin and Sun Yat Sen were from the China Republic. The United States Mint wrote the plan for China to mint coins in silver. When Mao overran Peking, Sun Yat Sen (Chiang Kai Shek) took 600 tons of gold with him to Taiwan, The 'Republic of China' China coins minted post 1947 were commie coins. But not the ones that Ben had.
@@indivisibleman8596 thanks for the info!!
@@TheCoinGeekSee Kann. 1954, 'Illustrated Catalog of Chinese Coins.'
You're welcome
I really dislike NGC