Labour Party moves against Militant Tendency in Liverpool

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  • On 27 November 1985 the Liverpool district Labour Party was suspended by the Labour national leadership.
    The party executive ordered a full inquiry into the Labour Council after allegations that the revolutionary socialist group Militant Tendency was operating within it.
    Critics of Militant said the faction was trying to take over the local party and use it to spread its Trotskyite views.
    Watch out for a young David Blunkett!
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  • @bell191991
    @bell191991 8 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    1:01
    Peter Hitchens

    • @gyrovague
      @gyrovague 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      is a tit.

    • @gyrovague
      @gyrovague 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, a legendary tit...

  • @bigbowlowrong4694
    @bigbowlowrong4694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Militant were always going to be kicked out. They were a revolutionary party and the Labor Party wasn’t. That’s not exactly an insignificant difference of approach! Their expulsion was inevitable.

  • @GriefTourist
    @GriefTourist 12 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    new labour = tory reserves

  • @humanityfirstnow
    @humanityfirstnow 17 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "democratic socialism is on the way in" What-Tony Blair? democratic?! Socialist???!!!

    • @geco_sauro3467
      @geco_sauro3467 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Democratic Socialism is a bullshit, in the facts is social-democracy

  • @Irishtradchannel
    @Irishtradchannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Militant was a collective of narcissism.

  • @Bouhezz
    @Bouhezz 16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Long live democratic party-structures
    Long live democratic socialism
    Long live mass movements
    Long live revolutionary socialism
    Long live socialist militant activities
    Long live the Socialist Party
    Long live the CWI

  • @bripat22
    @bripat22 16 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mrs Thatcher started the precess of division-her admirers within New Labour (which is not the ordinary people within Labour) imitated her

  • @steelcityred
    @steelcityred 15 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    new Labour is what we get when socialism is kick out of the labour party

    • @rjjcms1
      @rjjcms1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Much of it.

    • @kb4903
      @kb4903 ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean a labour government?

    • @CanadianMonarchist
      @CanadianMonarchist ปีที่แล้ว +4

      New Labour caused Labour to win three consecutive elections.

    • @MarineAqua45
      @MarineAqua45 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was never kicked out of the Labour Party:only the far-left,crap,was.
      A balanced-socialist,believes in a fair society:not a one-tier,Polit-buro-Society.
      Tescos and Sainsbury’s:owned by the government & youre only allowed,certain foods,no luxuries,as thats reserved(On special-orders:-)for:This lot?
      You like that or wanted that?
      Thats what these cranks,wanted:not bloody,democracy!!

    • @stevenpaulgoulding
      @stevenpaulgoulding 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Britain never had a socialist government.

  • @postponedlife
    @postponedlife 15 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    For those who are curious...
    The man at 1:08 to 1:26 is the late Eric Heffer, MP
    The man at 1:27 to 1:39 is Dennis Skinner, MP
    The man at 1:39 to 1:53 is David Blunkett, when he was a young left-wing councilor on the NEC
    The woman at 1:53 to 2:03 is Gwyneth Dunwoody, a right-wing MP
    The man at 2:42 is Derek Hatton, who was deputy leader of the Liverpool City Council and Militant member

    • @rjjcms1
      @rjjcms1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I recognised the first three,plus Hatton of course. Gwyneth Dunwoody was right wing?

    • @pickledegg1989
      @pickledegg1989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@rjjcms1 Gwyneth Dunwoody was a proud Labour MP. Scott is talking shit.

    • @rjjcms1
      @rjjcms1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@pickledegg1989 Absolutely. She had her share of demonisation by the right wing of the national press in the 80s,if I remember rightly.

  • @JK-br1mu
    @JK-br1mu ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Only in the UK would a group have a name like "Militant Tendency".

  • @Secret19977
    @Secret19977 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This group were a disgrace and have destroyed Liverpool

  • @bripat22
    @bripat22 17 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Remember, this was under Kinnock

  • @sean1980be
    @sean1980be 16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh you mean those guys who destroyed Militant?

  • @leondav07
    @leondav07 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    greetings from greece comrade!:)

  • @bripat22
    @bripat22 17 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good luck living in 1917 :)

  • @MrLovethelife
    @MrLovethelife 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @UDSS We now have Labour Representation Committee, Socialism is building up within Labour again its only a matter of time before we can democratically reshape Labour into a fighting working class party.

    • @si4632
      @si4632 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🤣

  • @AbandonEarth911
    @AbandonEarth911 16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A genuine socialist would not touch the labour party with a barge pole.

    • @0NEisN0THING
      @0NEisN0THING หลายเดือนก่อน

      I totally agree. Times have changed. Were the RCP these days

  • @SunflowerSocialist
    @SunflowerSocialist 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    All that happened was no one was left inside Labour to hold their feet to the fire and this allows Tony Blair to take over

    • @SunflowerSocialist
      @SunflowerSocialist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Bessie Hillum There hasn’t been a Prime Minister in the UK who has done anything good since the days of Harold Wilson. And even he was problematic for other reasons (Ireland)

  • @JK-br1mu
    @JK-br1mu ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:25 Antifa says the same thing now and we're supposed to think they're very clever

  • @shinesilently
    @shinesilently 16 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    A record of a historic turning point. This was the first key step on the path to Labour's recovery and the successes of 1997 onwards.

  • @leondav07
    @leondav07 11 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    go forward for a marxist tendency in labour party again!!!

    • @stephenholmes1036
      @stephenholmes1036 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No thank you , Communism doesn't work.

    • @0NEisN0THING
      @0NEisN0THING หลายเดือนก่อน

      Forget the labour party. We're communists, not capitalist agents.
      These days, weve had to adapt

  • @sean1980be
    @sean1980be 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    No, not at all. The situation differs from country to country. In Germany Die Linke is a fusion between 2 *existing* parties that have been built up during the years, and on which the working class counts and turns to. The working class turns to a party they know, not to some self-proclaimed revolutionary party with no basis in the working class whatsoever. That's why we are still in the Labour party, and that's why *everything else* fails. That's what Lenin is talking about.

  • @AnarchicJ
    @AnarchicJ 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @SkullOfYorick
    I thought it looked like Christopher Hitchens not his brother Peter. Could be wrong.

  • @Mojolang
    @Mojolang 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello from Minneapolis. Heard you guys are doing great work. Keep it up. Take care!

  • @cmsobota
    @cmsobota 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @MrRedFredSaidI would suggest that you travel my friend... Liverpool just makes me think of a massive chip!!!!

  • @besserman1
    @besserman1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Blankety shows his true right wing credentials

  • @christopherhitchens163
    @christopherhitchens163 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:00 Peter Hitchens

    • @si4632
      @si4632 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Such a shill that twat 🤣

  • @jimmbo13
    @jimmbo13 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @SkullOfYorick He was a journalist...hardly shows his political beliefs

  • @Mojolang
    @Mojolang 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    We're working on it! Join us. Marxist dot com!

  • @bripat22
    @bripat22 17 ปีที่แล้ว

    i think you are thinking of the 1983 Manifesto not 1987

  • @Materialismodialecticohoy
    @Materialismodialecticohoy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Long live to Ted Grant!!

  • @garethbrown9191
    @garethbrown9191 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well, little seems to have changed

  • @bobzilla211
    @bobzilla211 15 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i think its fair to describe them as democratic, when people voted them in it was obvious what they were. labour used union block votes to crush them when they tried to register to remain in the party but they had the grassroots labour support at the time. don't forget they had a lot of support in liverpool, where the city council was already pretty left wing.
    the way i see it, militant were not communists, they were socialists. they wanted to work within british democracy not throw it out.

    • @CanadianMonarchist
      @CanadianMonarchist 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      After the Winter of Discontent very few people took seriously the idea that the far left of Labour were going to respect British democracy. Callaghan had been elected by the people and had chosen (rightly or wrongly) the 5% pay raise. The unions refused to respect this.

    • @bobzilla211
      @bobzilla211 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CanadianMonarchist the idea that democracy stops after an election is done is undemocratic. Callaghan made that call but he didn't have a mandate for it. While unions ballot before any strike action.

  • @gg0u1239
    @gg0u1239 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m oddly getting more left wing as older which I think is the opposite

    • @bobo9519
      @bobo9519 ปีที่แล้ว

      Capitalism failing does that to you.

  • @englishcat19
    @englishcat19 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm a militant Leninist

  • @bripat22
    @bripat22 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Militant was helping to destroy the Labour Party. Good to see Gwen Dunwoody in this clip. She was one who fought the most against the hard left

  • @andynixon2820
    @andynixon2820 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Militant were a pain in the arse and helped to damage an already ailing labour party in the 80s. There needed to be an effective labour party to counter the tories so ousting them was the correct decision. Got to say it , the true voice of the ordinary person wasn't really heard till new labour in the 90s .

  • @yohaneuano4
    @yohaneuano4 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @cmsobota They did not - I suggest you read Eric Heffer's Labour's Future. They were closer in sticking to the party manifesto than the leadership was. Most of them were long-term members. Labour is supposed to have a federalized structure. Kinnock et. al (and by implication the Labour from then on) became, like every other political party, simply the administrative front of the capitalist class.

  • @kevinlongman007
    @kevinlongman007 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The forerunner of Momentum.

  • @cosmicmusicreynolds3266
    @cosmicmusicreynolds3266 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    kinnock is a class traitor

    • @CanadianMonarchist
      @CanadianMonarchist ปีที่แล้ว

      Why should a person’s class origins affect their intellectual freedom?

  • @roadend78
    @roadend78 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Us scousers say thank fuck for Militant they gave us hope back then more than Lord kinnock .

    • @callumclark4021
      @callumclark4021 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Militant completely destroyed the credibility of Liverpool- any feeling of seperation Liverpool feels began because of the actions of the Militant tendancy.

  • @dunny61a
    @dunny61a 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If only the Militant had the masses ears today. We wouldn’t be in such a pile of shit

  • @bripat22
    @bripat22 15 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    were Militant truly DEMOCRATIC socialists or authoritarian in many of their methods? I agree with you about Blairism but we can't romanticise much of the hard left.

  • @sean1980be
    @sean1980be 16 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Further on: Needless to say, the only success Militant had was BECAUSE it was working in Labour and not outside of it. When CWI talks about success, they always talk about Militant and Liverpool, silently forgetting that they were the ones who thought a NEW Party was needed to capitalize success. It obviously failed miserably and the move ruined years of hard work in a minute. 20 years of 'flying the flag high' did not, not even for one minute, make any difference at all, on the contrary.

  • @sean1980be
    @sean1980be 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lenin disagrees.

  • @KarlSchoenefeld4
    @KarlSchoenefeld4 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to understand this, but politics is just not my thing. Can anyone kindly go out of their way to explain this video to me?

  • @NuYiDao
    @NuYiDao 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    New Labour was extremely militant - look at how they transformed Britain with their marxist ‘march thru the institutions’ just merely needed to look sober to win in 1997.

    • @sjewitt22
      @sjewitt22 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You seem to have a very bad understanding of New Labour and Marxism.

    • @NuYiDao
      @NuYiDao 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sjewitt22 I got my peculiar understanding of NL from the gulag they dumped me. Where did you get yours?

    • @sjewitt22
      @sjewitt22 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NuYiDao You know conservatives put more people in prison right? New Labour got tough on crime to appeal to the right ie moving to the centre. This is all very well documented.

  • @simontherabbit
    @simontherabbit 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Militant lives on! Anyone who is sympathetic to the Militant should check out the Campaign for a New Workers Party (CNWP) and the Socialist Party. There is also a remnant of Militant operating within the Labour Party as Socialist Alternative I think.

  • @raphaelnik
    @raphaelnik 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Eric Heffer (God rest his soul) and Dennis Skinner. Men of principle.

    • @MarkHarrison733
      @MarkHarrison733 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Skinner campaigned for Brexit.

  • @TroyaE117
    @TroyaE117 17 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish Militant would join the Labour Party again. All that Trotskyite drivel mixed with Gordon Brown's tax and spend and they'd all be out.
    Please re-join.
    Militant In, Militant In !!!