Sweet home Alabama. The West really are quite funny huh...yet they feel the need to moral police others on progression in entertainment like anime even going so far to contact the UN lol...or with what some of these localizers are doing.
Ironically, no amount of censorship could change Uranus's gender so it just became two female cousins that were gay for each other. According to their way of thinking they only made it worse. LOL
"And the very very very VERY obviously gay relationship between Toya and Yukito" I will NEVER not find hilarious and sad that in clear card arc in the beginning the father is like: "Ah yes. Toya moved in with Yukito. Such good friends! Just bros being bros!" When in the end of card captor Sakura Sakura literally gave both of them their blessing saying: "Please treat my brother well."
As it does the US and every other country. The US has this backward thought of categorizing countries based on certain laws or events but every country has the same complex interchange of ideas.
Yeah I just started watching sailor moon for the first time, not that far yet to see the gay relationships but I've heard about them. What caught me off guard was the fat shaming of sailor moon like damn cat why you gotta do her like that
The government’s been somewhat conservative for a long time, despite most of the people being for gay marriage. Recently, though (as in like a few days ago), the LDP had a really bad election year (down more than 50%, I’m pretty sure), and more progressive parties that are pushing for same sex marriage to be ratified have a much better shot at making that a reality.
The cloverway dub lost a lot of it's budget, the quality declined by ALOT from dic. So much so the script was a rush job vis a vis the SMC reboot in 2010s. Also they were Canadian at the behest of American interests.
Yeah 😅 Ngl i don't know if i should be happy the American version didn't remove the tender moments of Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune or mad because they made them cousins. Because on the other hand people were able to see more queer media but it also might become weird for those people because they're "cousins"
In sonic x, there’s a robot named lucky, who’s whole thing is that he’s kind and very lucky, even if he works for eggman. There’s a part where he’s falling and sonic saves him, and the screen turns pink with a bunch of hearts and one of the other eggman bots says something like ‘he’s in love with sonic!’. It’s not a surprise that this was cut from the American dub-
@@worstpartis20068 "Japan does not recognize same-sex marriages or civil unions. Several municipalities and prefectures issue same-sex partnership certificates, which provide some benefits, but do not offer equal legal recognition." Do a Google search next time
@@worstpartis20068 gay marriages are still illegal sure it's possible for gay marriages to be legalized but that's far from now, do a simple wiki search next time
Culturally, japan just doesnt see gay relationships as genuine. Theres this thing called Class S, thats essentially just sapphic relationships between the girl students. Lesbians in japan are seen as immature, like they havent outgrown their class s days.
Whatever they did to keep us from thinking Sakura’s brother n his friend were gay didn’t work cause even at like 7 years old I had a feeling they liked each other n shipped them.
It’s interesting, Japanese art and artists seem to be very open about Japan’s social issues and they are given way more public notice than when it’s done in the United States, yet it seems the overall Japanese public just doesn’t want to take action. Maybe the younger generations want to, but they are in the minority.
@@nounourslove6857 you know I’ll also add that the way America and Japan produce media is very different. American media is written by many people, screen tested, reviewed, changed, and ultimately this leads to producing shows that reflect an average political leaning. In Japan however, Anime start off as manga, and the artist has full creative control. Since artists tend to be very progressive, this results in anime being more progressive. I’m sure if you look at Japanese TV that is written and produced in the same way America does, it’s a lot more conservative.
@@manp112us is still addicted to that fake christian puritanism. They have to pretend pursuing virtue somewhere to hide the alcoholism and drug abuse.
I think it was sorta explained by kid clow. The big magical power in people make them drawn to one another and it takes some experience to distinguish this from a crush.
I only just realized that changing them to cousins in Sailor Moon doesn't even REALLY get rid of them being lesbians. It just added a weirder layer on top of something they deemed too weird already.
@@SnowLily06 All of the main protags minus the cat and usagi's future husband are female. Uranus just simplified the idea of androgyny using limited japanese vocab, she didn't mean to say that she's literally both male and female at the same time. Media literacy. Learn it.
Three words: Revolutionary Girl Utena. In 1997, that show was so much more than obsolete. People didn’t know it existed apparently, and no one got their hands on it for years… it was weird
What's funny about this is, I watched that on funimation back when they had a free channel on TV. It weirded me out so I never finished it. Now I can't find it anywhere lol (As a disclaimer: the thing I found weird was the atmosphere of the whole thing. Idk what it was exactly but I think it had something to do with the bloom effects lol)
@@SomeplaceScary I don't have funimation or crunchy roll, I have like every other paid streaming service though so that's kinda what I meant. But also I didn't know it was on either of those 😳
@@MyLoserBrain youtube apparently deleted my first comment, I'd written that it's on TH-cam with ads officially, I'm not sure if it was saying the word freəə or the official distributors name for some reason that flagged my comment.
Fun fact: Toya and yukito are canonically soulmates, they’re together in every universe including the many universes within tsubasa chronicles and cardcaptor sakura :) Edit: I just re-read it and I meant together as in always seen with eachother, however it’s heavily implied that they’re romantically involved! ❤️
The fact that in the remake they gave them girlfriends when they are supposed to be a couple PISSES ME OFF SO HARD 🤬 I will never watch anything else than the og japanese sailor moon
Omg that is so true. Sailormoon is my childhood. And I could still remember how confused I was with Uranus and Neptune's relationship. In some level though in my young brain, I picled up they were more than friends/cousins because of their scenes. There was something going on there, though I could not really understand it at that time.
In Greece too the dub of Pitch Pitch Pitch introduced the villain lesbian couple as sisters , although they literally kissed eachother in one episode , so yeah ... The sweet home Alabama option wasn't applied only to America 💀💀💀
@@Direblade11 I've watched the anime.... The older one will literally lovingly hold her sister's face while staring passionately in each other's eyes and drawing their faces close to each other like their about to kiss...complete with blushing and bedroom eyes. And yeah, even in the original Japanese they still refer to each other as sisters. And it's never really made completely clear as to whether or not they're actually blood related sister's or if they're like adoptive sister's...but they're both the same type of marine life (angler fish) which does point to them being blood related...
Just did a wikipedia check. They are sisters both in manga and anime. HOWEVER, while the nature of their relationship was left open, interviews with cast members revealed that it was indeed of romantic nature. So yeah, they're both things lmao
Heck, in the first season of Sailor Moon, two of the supporting villains , Zoosyte and Malacite, were lovers. Thing is they were both men, but Zoosyte was very feminine while Malacite was pretty masculine, so the American Dub just said Zoosyte was female!
American Logic: “LGBTQIA+ content has no place in Children’s Media. But dressing them up in inappropriate outfits and slapping makeup on them is okay.”
Card captor sakura had many types of love. Including between teachers and their students. Sakura's parents, and her own classmates and teacher. As well as the Clow reincarnation (also an elementary age child) and her substitute teacher.
My ass watching the anime on repeat (it was my hyperfixation as a child) and it never bothered me for some reason 😂😂😂😂 The only 'obvious' gay thing I noticed was the Syaoran crush to Yukito when they first met, only to be written off as magic attractions instead 😩
I always love when people find out about Alluka from hxh and there's always some guy in the comments mentioning "woke" or something else and it's like My brother in Christ, this came out in the 90s what are you waffling about
@@stinkydiesels2336she was born male but identifies as a girl. Her family mostly refers to her as "it" (because of her lore), but will also say things like they only had boys, making it obvious that they don't accept her identity. Killua however fully supports her and refers to her as her little sister
Depends on the show. Japan has distinctly different standards as to what is suitable for children, so what Americans might call unacceptable content would be altogether quite normal for Japanese child audiences.
@Spudtron98 that's a fair point. And we've also changed the standards quite a lot over the years. Example: Friday the 13th was rated R back when it released. It likely would barely qualify for the low end of pg13 by today's standards.
I remember when I was a kid, the church I grew up in taught us that anime was yet another Satanic manipulation tactic and watching it would send my soul to burn in the deepest depths of Hell. 😂
As a Christian I feel bad for people who grew up in the super strict “Christian” households some people take things to far just because they don’t like it my former uncle once told me Pokemon was crazy safe to say I ignored him
Same. Once I reached teenage years though, my parents became more lenient and went "yk what, this is unnecessary" and ye, I started reading a it more manwha and watching anime. I really don't get why they don't want us to watch it lol. (Except... Well... It's safe to say I'll start clear of- specific animes. 💀💀)
Oh my God, I cannot get over the fact they made Achilles and Patroclus cousins. Literally coulda just made them best friends if they wanted to keep the gays out. (We all know they shoulda kept the gay aspects tho)
Oh, there are so, so, so many more of these historical figures. You're telling me the two writers who have been lifelong penpals and eventually moved in together, but didn't marry, have kids, or write anything about women in their entire lives, are _straight?_ Fat chance
Yeah, Sailor Moon's English dub is very wonky. As someone who grew up with the Portuguese dub, Haruka and Michiru's relationship wasn't *explicit*, but it didn't take much brain power to see that Haruka flirted with every other girl and that both of them had more sparks than a wildfire. It makes me wonder how the US handled the Sailor Starlights...
Or the larger culture with the artists' intentions. There's a reason girls' shows had girls' gay relationships but gay men struggled to be accepted by wider society
Well that's usually what channels like this do get offended by any criticism towards their weeboo Island and then drop straw man parallels to try and be like. See you're worse lol I don't even have anything against Japan. Seems like a pretty cool place overall but God damn are its defenders cringy as hell sometimes
It was only against the law to be gay between 1872 and 1881. However, gay marriage, job protections, and adoptions vary by prefecture-not nationally protected. Just last year, Japan struck down a law that you had to be sterilized to transition. It is like Japan is a country with a history and culture that influences Japanese LGBT+ lived experience in a completely different way.
I think anime is all about escapism. The stories that they write through anime is a much more romanticised, ideal way of life that's full of crushes and excitement and you don't need to look any further than the average Japanese highschool experience to know that is not true at all. Same goes for queer people and representation. They WISH it was like that. doesn't mean it is. What makes people think that the ultra-conformist society that Japan is, welcomes queer people, that are inherently different to the heteronormative way of life everyone is so accustomed to? Hell you even get bullied for not having black hair in school, do people assume it's any different for sexualities and gender?
Shojo manga has, for the most part, been about breaking out of the restrictive conservative culture for young girls in Japan. Obviously not all Shojo manga does this, but that is how it started and you can see a lot more of it in works from the 80s and 90s.
This says a lot from me considering the fact that I'd rather vote for Trump (I am mentioning this because it involves the Republican party), but it's so funny hearing ppl say leftists only created cancel culture even tho it was conservative america who started it lmao. "How dare u listen to that devil music, how dare you watch that damn pokemon. Grrr Harry Potter!👁️" America flip floppy as fucc.
@@evecates2232 both parties call each other because according to their ideals, the other side wether leftist or right winger is consider a snowflake. to an right winger, a gay person upset they can’t get married is being a snowflake to a leftist, a conservative person is a snowflake for being mad of women having rights to an abortion
Even us Italians we saw how some parts were hella strange in Sailor Moon, Lady Oscar and many other anime, but that was because Italy would just take the already censured version from AMERICA, translate from English to Italian and dub it. Just recently Italy gets anime from the direct source
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I've always wondered about the Italian versions, because we had access to those first in my country and looking back, it did seem censored at least somewhat. We did have the original japanese version on national tv later, with overlay in our language but also the original voices in the background. I don't recall major differences though, it was so long ago.
not to mention how they reasoned away Syaoran’s crush on Yukito by saying that he was intimidated by YUKITO OF ALL PEOPLE. like he literally scrambled away backwards blushing when they first met, and he tells Sakura when he should be telling her about his feelings for Yukito that that was intimidation 💀
@lnsflare1 yeah, but i still think this was just to justify a really explicitly boy being in love with other boy. If he was just attracted to yukito because of the magic, then he should be attracted to Toya too or sakura, or eriol or any other character that has strong magical power
@@Razgarelit was because Yukito has the moon power (think of him as the moon) while Sakura and Touya have different source of magic, in Sakura's case was because it was from the stars (Sun). Eriol has power that comes from the Sun. I don't really now how to explain it but when we talk about magic in Clamp's universe, the people are more influenced by the moon, considering that most of our body consists of water, and water is influenced by the moon and its faces. In the reality that's what we were told in some countries that happens to women. The moon faces really has a deep influence in people because of water. Like with the waters in the sea. When you see more activity in water is when the moon is full moon and new moon. Syaoran's power, because he is a descendant of Clow, he has a part of Sun's influence in him. That's why Syaoran is very cautious around Kaho. Kaho is a human so even if she has a Moon influence, she is still a human, so Syaoran seems to perceive that. Sakura feel very calm and happy around Kaho, not only because of Kaho's personality but because of her powers. Because Kaho is a human, she doesn't have the same level of attraction as Yue. Yue is a creature that is purely Moon power. Yue is not human.
The only thing that holds Japan back from having more progressive laws on the books, especially ones regarding LGBTQ people, is the very old and bureaucratic government officials at the top :( The public has around 75% support for gay marriage.
Christ, literally just like America (But America probably isn't as bad in that regard, because at least gay marriage is legal here, but also they're actively trying to cut that off and there's been a ton of trans/gay murders in the past few years)
There’s some things I agree with with their opinions, some I don’t. I don’t care what lgbt people do, just keep it to yourselves. Whatever weird kink someone’s into is their own business in the privacy of their home, I just don’t want to see a full latex dog suit guy on all 4s walking around in public with someone holding their leash. You can marry whoever you want, be into whatever you want, just act normal in public.
@@limitedbom2206I also agree, whoever, and wherever they are, pls... don't traumatize people's eyes in public 😭 Like that's all I wish of you honestly, you don't have to change really, just not in public OVERLY PDA that you can traumatize others. Just keep the PDA in the sweet level, and tone down the spice in public.
@@limitedbom2206 ya right, but I actually don't think those dog kink people are LGBTQ bc why would'ya dress up as animal to have welll... Something close with another person... Zoophilia isn't part of the LGBTQ such as Pe@phi isn't. It's just weird people trying to normalize smth sick and actually dragging us normal people (not/)in love with someone else or those in the wrong body down, by acting as if it were the same altho consent is clearly missing💔
In Panama, we got the anime USA versions translated to Spanish for those 2 animes. Let me tell you, the homosexual attractions/couples were very VERY clear, no matter how much they tried to hide them 😅 Specially in Cart Captore Sakura was so fucking in your face and they still pretended it was just "friendship" 😂😂😂😂😂
@3kojimbles895 it actually has a decent amount of seats in the diet. Much more active and powerful than any communist party in America or most of Europe (though that isn't saying much)
Exactly lol Oftentimes a lot of these same sex crushes and whatever (usually between young female characters) are seen as a phase or something innocent and cute, but when you're an adult you're typically expected to "grow out of it"
Again conservative country does not really mean conservative populace. Most Japanese people are in favour of gay marriage. There are people that are against it too of course but that's always the case for any country.
They also straight up cut out Sakura and Syaoran’s conversation about them both liking Yukito in the English dub which I only discovered when I rewatched the episodes dubbed and had it suddenly switch back into Japanese for that scene and that scene only
I remember the Japanese dub for the Transformers Beast Wars show originally have a male character in a relationship with the main protagonist (also male) but the English dub changed the character to a female
Lets not forget the evil "sisters" from Mermaid melody. In manga they are girlfriends and probably in the original anime. But everywhere else they are sisters.
It should be noted that those two examples are _not_ examples of Japan's socio-polical views, but rather, individual exceptions to the norm. Not saying that Japan is some conservative American's paradise, but it is not a liberal American's paradise by any means.
Yeah it’s an issue where as far as my knowledge it’s a country with a rather progressive youth but also very conservative older generations, again it’s stupid to consider a country you have never lived in as a paradise for your political views. For example there are less Japanese anti-trans movements than in America, but in turn Japan is very accepting of open racism
@@whyisyes3957 I realised that a lot of South East Asian countries are more accepting of trans identities that homosexual ones, just from a general observation anyway, I wonder why? In the US and the West in general it’s the complete opposite.
@@pannajohns5255 Again it comes down to conforming, a trans man can conform and act as a man, marry a woman, etc. a gay man going out and being affectionate with his husband will be seen as weird as that never will conform to be like others… again this is just from observations
Nahhhhh they gave them the Patroclus and Achilles treatment 😭😭😭 Edit: SINCE WHEN IS ACHILLES A RAPIST????? LIKE I NEVER ACTUALLY SAW THE MOVIE, I JUST NOW THEY WERE LOVERS AND SOMEONE DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD BE COUSINS INSTEAD BUT I DON'T THINK HE EVER RAPED SOMEONE (at least not in Madeline Miller's book 😰)
I wouldn't use Achilles as good representation. He is also a rapist, child rapist, and murderer. He tried to assault Hemithea and murdered Tenes son of Apollo. He also beheaded young Trolius, son of Prium, and attempted to kidnap his sister Polyxena who he had fallen in love with. In revenge, Polyxena learned of Achilles' weakness which she gave to her brother Paris. She was later sacrificed at Achilles' temple. In his afterlife many traditions state he lives eternally on the white isle with Polyxena or Medea or even Iphegenia. What's even worse is Achilles actively killed the Athenean soldiers by asking his mother to spread sickness because he was mad to give up the slave Breseida to Agemmemnon. This is what lead to Patroclus wearing Achilles' armor and dying.
@noakinn I never said he wasn't. My point is that Achilles is bad representation because he is a bad person. It is like saying the Catholic Church is gay because priests have a long history of harming young boys.
@@Adelynoirthat.. doesn’t add up like AT ALL. I’m pretty sure the reason the original commenter used Achilles and Patroculous (not sure if I’m spelling it right) is cuz historians prob labelled them close friends instead of the intimate relationship they actually had which fits extremely well to how Yukito and (I forgot his name)’s own relationship was butchered by the Americans. I genuinely have no idea where ur yap session was all abt cuz it has no relation to that story or the original comments context, Zeus and Poseidon aren’t very good people as well, HELL THEY DONT EVEN SCRATCH THE SURFACE OF MORALITY, but people will still name a move using thunder, Zeus, or a trident, Poseidon, because they relate and fit into the context, acting in same ways so you’d DESCRIBE THEM AS THEM IN SPITE OF HOW SH-TTY THEY ARE **COUGH COUGH** THE TIME ZEUS TRANSFORMED INTO A SWAN AND F-CKED SOMEONE AND HOW POSEIDON PULLED A P DIDDY ON MEDUSA IN HER OWN GODDESSES TEMPLE **COUGH COUGH** anyways
@Belphagor_ the commenter said they pulled a 'Petroculos and Achilles ', as you said saying they ignored a bi relationship. However, as I stated in the very first sentence, Achilles is not Bi-rep just because he is bi. You wouldn't show a picture of a catholic priest at a pride parade because they are known for assaulting young boys. There are many historical figures who are bi who deserve proper recognition: Virginia Wolfe, Marlene Dietrich, or Oscar Wilde. Real figures whose bisexuality is ignored in favor of heteronormativity. Frankly, I am quite tired of a fictional rapist and serial assaultist being held up as a flag of birepresentation as, though well intentioned, it perpetuates harmful stereotypes. If you prefer to hold a banner to a harmful myth as opposed to uplifting true bifigures of history and fiction(why not Virginia and Vita, Baker and Kahlo, Garbo and Pollak, or even Roosevelt and Hickock).
I was maybe 10 or 11 and was OBSESSED with Sailor Moon. I'll tell you right now, even back then I knew there was no possible way that they were cousins. 😅
@@highsourjamapple9141I'd recommend staying far away from the Crystal version. It is one of the most insultingly awful, badly written, poorly executed, and shallow excuses for a cash grab I've ever sat through.
As an American, it’s simply a regular Tuesday to attend your cousins’ wedding. But don’t you DARE wink at someone that’s the same gender😡 (Before someone gets mad at me: this is a joke and incest is not actually normalized here)
It kinda is in Idaho, Utah, West Virginia, Georgia (rural not Atlanta), and Alabama. SA of sisters and daughters is especially common. And the LDS passively encouraged it for a long time
Isn't incest kinda normalize in Japan? Like back then in the 1800s? And I remember seeing a video on facts about "corn" and apparently many JAV stars are related to each other but don't mind doing it because it's a job and not love lmao
I'm not an anime fan but there's this Norwegian show called skam and instead of dubbing it, several countries remade it with their own actors (Germany, france, spain, italy, Belgium, Netherlands, and the usa) and in season 3 the main character is a gay guy. The American version is the only one where he was changed into a girl (besides the spanish one but there they also changed his boyfriend into a girl too so it was still a gay couple)
The thing about Japan is that they’re very tolerant as a society, but not very accepting. So you can be part of the LGBTQ+ community in Japan and be fine, but your family, friends and coworkers might shun you/not accept you, for who you are.
I was SO DISTURBED when I was watching Sakura, cause that older friend took the young 12 year old out on little dates! The Japanese version was he was trying to befriend his boyfriends sister, but merican version had none of the implications so it was just WEIRD.
It's actually worst than that: Sakura is 10 and 11 in the original stories and one of her classmates is clearly hot for teacher, (said teacher is also not doing anything to discourage her). When recommending the series to people, one thing I point out is "they're behaving themselves due to the target audience and the ages of the characters, but it's still by CLAMP."
@@mahogara it's too recent in the past that we showed that as ok, but it's not exclusive to America. That's just the story they chose as more acceptable than depicting a young gay male couple in the 2000s. It's so sad to me, but I have a feeling things are getting better.
@@chakatfirepaw I mean, I get that, cause as a kid, we have teacher crushes for sure. i don't know if I got so far to see that interaction, but I just hope it was handled well by the show. Idk, that stuff really creeps me out, anime art style is creepy, behavior is too exaggerated, and it just concerns me that we depict things that aren't acceptable in irl shows.
Japan doesn't allow same-sex marriage because of the low birth rate, so it makes sense why they would ban it but would also do it as a form of entertainment. They never made a law about gay things being illegal.
The concept of what is progressive and what is conservative differs greatly between the West and Japan, as well as other regions. For example, conservative India recognizes a "third" gender on passports, which from a Western perspective is super progressive, etc.
I don't think japanese society is really that progressive especially at the time you were talking about(sailor moon era) It's just that the artists and entertainers are always the most progressive in the nation since they often tackle with the idea of the status quo and realize it's flaws(in all places of the earth). And if you look at them(I haven't watched the show just completely from the excerpts you showed me so take this with a grain of salt) one of them confirms a male role and the other female role. This is much more acceptable in Asian conservatism than you think historically. Most countries in Asia always had prominent trans communities like India and Thailand while strictly forbiding same sex couples. This type of conservatism wants you to stick to the norm even if you aren't the norm. For them the idea of a man loving an other man is rule breaking, but the idea of a women in a man's body loving a man is still complying to their status quo. Hence it's accepted. I think it's the same force at work.
You're spot on. In the Sailor Moon manga, there's even a line where Neptune explains to Moon the nature of Sailor Uranus is that she's part man and woman, basically having male and female traits aka masculine persona but female body.
A country's entertainment is not necessarily reflective of their culture. Just look at _The Acolyte._ Often, I hear it the other way around: that Japan is misconstrued in the West as a _liberal_ paradise in spite of the actually conservative culture.
Between girls: "samesex crush" ❤ Between guys: "The VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY OBVIOUSLY GAY RELATIONSHIP" 🔥 Idk the way you described the same thing very differently cracked me up lol
The Sailor Moon one always made me think it was like some executive who had very little contact with the actual show DEMANDING it be a cousin relationship thinking that would fix EVERYTHING without any visual edits at all
It's not "progressive" Japan is incredibly conservative. The reason Sailor moon has a female couple was because it was looked at as a non-issue. Not a statement on sexuality rather just a funny quirk of the characters. Saying Japan is progressive for LGBTQ, just cuz anime has gay characters in it, is overlooking the thousands of repressed and discriminated against Japanese citizens who get pushed to end their own lives over their own sexuality.
He's not saying Japan itself is progressive (tho like anywhere it's not fully black and white and a lot of places and companies are moving towards acceptance of queer folks), he's addressing folks, mostly Americans, who watch anime who call it woke trash if newer anime contains a queer character, which is very much a problem in American fandoms of Japanese shows. There are far more examples of queer characters in anime than that of Sailor Moon from that era and even earlier that were massively influential in the space! Heck, The Rose of Versailles was originally written in the 70s and had a lot of gender exploration with one of the main characters, Oscar. That mangaka, Riyoko Ikeda, is also cited as one of the earliest to have a trans protagonist in her story Claudine in 1978. Japan was doing things with fiction in the mainstream, especially in media seen for children like Sailor Moon, decades before America really started in on it. Like it's a little silly to deny the progressiveness they have with the history of queer works as old as the 70's.
@@Desi-Designs No, you are ascribing your ideals to what hes saying, he is only talking about how progressive stuff in anime back in the day was too much to air in america, none of what you just said has to do with his video.
@@MontySlythonnope! He starts in the present tense at the very start of the video, "It's always funny to me how people think Japan IS some magical conservative paradise that doesn't talk about social issues" this is implying he's talking about people who are talking about Japan NOW and then he launches into examples of why that's not true citing sources from anime in the past, "because often times in history, Japanese is the one too progressive for America." Think about this sentence. Why is he talking about Japan being a "conservative paradise" in the present tense with "is"? It's because he's addressing an issue where people believe that to be true right now. Why do people believe that to be true? Because people right now, especially Americans, have had an adverse reaction to queer people being in anime and other media recently. Someone says they're gay in a show or a situation in which it shows a character is gay is shown in a trailer or somethin' and suddenly it's "woke garbage." He goes on to explain that queer folk in anime has been something in anime for years. Like. Why else would he phrase the sentence like that? Why would he be addressing this topic? The way it's laid out makes it clear that this was said for a reason: the reason being that it's an issue people are still having with queer characters even in modern America just like the censors who created Kissing Cousins back in the day. (Spelling edit lol, ah early morning typing)
This is not anime related but the movie Troy, they changed Achilleus and Patroclus from very close guy friends who comforts each other and goes berserk when the other one dies and grieves like a mad, insisting they have to be buried together, to cousins instead.
I was really surprised with how Cardcaptor Sakura was aired in America. I'm from the Philippines, which was a very conservative country when it was first aired here, and even then, Toya and Yukito's relationship was very obvious even though it was never confirmed in the show.
I mean Death Note and Deadman Wonderland are both centered around criticisms of the Japanese justice system It doesn't cease to be relevant to the issue just because someone watching doesn't understand the context
It's weird. Resident Evil 1 on ps1 was censored in the western releases, but in Japan you had the full uncut gory cutscene. Then years later, Resident Evil 2 Remake is censored in japan, but uncensored in America.
Anime is different though. The culture teaches status quo and togetherness and not standing out, but anime is an escape where one can live out being the main character, having pink or silver hair, not wearing your uniform, or yes, bring queer. Sailor stars wasn't even dubbed in America because it was too trans (sailor scouts transforming into earth boys to hide just to change back magically into true, female forms). I think there's a line that literally translated into them claiming they do it because men have it easier on earth.
A lot of anime took inspiration in Bjorn Andresen as the typical European beauty... he was known from Death in Venice, in which he was the underage gay love interest :)
I think you’re forgetting that in Japan, anime was watched by adults too. Whereas in America, the government perceived anime as cartoons for kids which generally didn’t have strong romantic themes.
There's different types of "progressive" and "conservative". No one's ever thought Japan was anti gay when the US wasn't. Japan is traditional family wise, which is stupidly considered a conservative viewpoint... progressive and conservative are NOT black and white, you can be heavily both at the same time. But extremely stupid people can't see that as a possibility and just see them as complete opposites
These terms have broad definitions but are still fairly consistent intersubjectively. It would be pretty silly to say that America isnt more progressive than Japan from a holistic perspective.
@@ttt5205 When you think about the role of the man and woman in a household and the expectations of those roles, Japan is VERY heavily conservative, compared to the extremely lax USA. People need to realize that when it comes to sexism, racism, and homophobia, the USA is the bottom of the list in all of those compared to most of the world. The US is top 10 most accepting of all variety of viewpoints and lifestyles. Has been for a LONG time. the "Too progressive" part is just the after effects of Christian worries about exposing children to overly sexual themes and that's completely gone in most of the US nowadays.
@@TheShockingShane Im not much of a USA fan but Id still have to admit that the US is fairly progressive as far as lgbtq goes. Japan still doesnt have legal gay marriage and only allowed someone to change their gender just a couple of months ago. The lgbtq movement is also significantly smaller in japan and doesnt have the broad support it has in the west. Saying that the US is at the bottom is also very silly. There are countries where being lgbtq is straight up illegal and you'd be thrown in jail or worse. There is next to none lgbtq recognition in asian countries, a lot of bigotry in many european countries, hungary for example, gay marriage is banned in 30 out of 54 african states as well. The US has already taken steps towards greater inclusion that many countries simply havent, even if conservatives are pushing back.
@ttt5205 Just to clarify, when I said bottom, I meant in a list of "most racist/sexist/homophobic." Sorry if that was misinterpreted. I worded it bad. So like Russia would be near the top.
Voltron was butchered too. They cut Sven's death for US audiences and had him 'disappear/get captured' because they didn't believe kids that young could handle death. Which they later had to add to the show that they eventually found Sven (something that was never in the OG because well, Sven died) which just sort of screwed with the show's storyline.
My understanding is that Japan tolerates that same sex couples exist, just don’t be too public about it. And they wouldn’t support gay marriage. Maybe in the future when there’s a new generation of older citizens.
I remember me and my cousin would race home from work to watch Sailor Moon. At the time next works would only go so far in the show and then restart the series. And we still watched faithfully. I guess some rules had relaxed because when they finally started introducing new Sailors we lost our sh*t. We couldn’t even find Sailor Moon on tapes/DVD at the time. We were so deprived in The States.😩 When we finally saw the relationship between “the cousins” it made no sense and we were perturbed. It would be years later that we would learn it was because they were actually lovers. So much was changed and we didn’t even know. We still loved the show tho. That goes to show how great it was.
I don't understand people either, Japan seems a lot better in so many ways, of course there's still some downs, but I still wanna move to Japan and not stay where I am in America :(
It's a ridiculous argument, he's literally bringing up an Anime from the 90s. The US has changed much more since, that it actually makes modern Japan a more conservative place.
Marriage is a Christian view that a man and woman come together and become one. If you want gay people to get “married” create a second word that has a similar meaning.
@@JustCallMePaperMarriage has always existed outside of a Christian viewpoint, though. (Are you forgetting the Greeks? Or Egyptians? Or all the countries that were relatively untouched by Christianity until the 1600-1700s?
@@JustCallMePaper But did the greeks know of it? No, they didn't. Their religion wasn't even an abrahamic one. They developed the concept of marriage on their own.
To be fair, there were also several *EXTREMELY* problematic relationships that were also glossed over in Cardcaptor Sakura, like Sakura's dad having married one of his high school students or one of Sakura's elementary school friends being engaged to an adult teacher and it being portrayed as a romantic relationship.
My friends were re-watching Cardcaptor Sakura and made a Drake Yeah meme about Tomoyo's mother who is the 1st cousin of Sakura's mother. The meme: "Being upset my cousin is married a pedo?" Nope "Being mad my cousin didn't marry me cause I'm in love with her." yeah
I actually recently learned of an inversed version of this Japan did for a western show As a Transformers fan, the 1990s show "Beast Wars" featured a female Autobot who had a romance with another of the cast, however when the show was released in Japan they changed her gender to male, and tried at first to make their relationship more akin to a pupil and master, but when the overt romanctic overtones and scenes happened they just, left it with all prior context established, which would then lead to the first same sex Transformers relationship
Re-watching clover Way dub recently. They sure changed the dialogue and scrubbed it of any flirting, but left in the romantic music when they are on screen together.
"no gay couples, ain't kid friendly"
*makes cousins be hinted to like each other*
If we distract the parents with the incest the no one would suspect them being gay .
*LOGIK 100*
Sweet home Alabama. The West really are quite funny huh...yet they feel the need to moral police others on progression in entertainment like anime even going so far to contact the UN lol...or with what some of these localizers are doing.
Ironically, no amount of censorship could change Uranus's gender so it just became two female cousins that were gay for each other. According to their way of thinking they only made it worse. LOL
😭😭 real bro really said it’s okay as long as you’re opposite genders
Card Captor Sakura:
"How about gay cousins that like each other?"
"And the very very very VERY obviously gay relationship between Toya and Yukito" I will NEVER not find hilarious and sad that in clear card arc in the beginning the father is like: "Ah yes. Toya moved in with Yukito. Such good friends! Just bros being bros!" When in the end of card captor Sakura Sakura literally gave both of them their blessing saying: "Please treat my brother well."
certified "and they were roomates" moment😂
@@dimasakbar7668omg they were roomates...
Good
As a kid who didn't knew anything about being gay i shiped them😂😂😂
As well as Uranus and Neptune😂😂😂
Better than friends, roommates even.
Japan seems so progressive yet restrictive and stubborn at the same time
As it does the US and every other country. The US has this backward thought of categorizing countries based on certain laws or events but every country has the same complex interchange of ideas.
Yeah I just started watching sailor moon for the first time, not that far yet to see the gay relationships but I've heard about them. What caught me off guard was the fat shaming of sailor moon like damn cat why you gotta do her like that
Yeah....that sounds about right.😅
WERE GAY AND UR GONNA LIKE IT. OR GET OUTTA MY COUNTRY 🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵
It's both very progressive yet very conservative. It's weird
It’s wild how gay Japan is but also doesn’t allow same sex marriage
The government’s been somewhat conservative for a long time, despite most of the people being for gay marriage. Recently, though (as in like a few days ago), the LDP had a really bad election year (down more than 50%, I’m pretty sure), and more progressive parties that are pushing for same sex marriage to be ratified have a much better shot at making that a reality.
Kinda funny that Japan was where BL/Yaoi originated from
Because they see it as a fetish rather than a sexuality (judging by the Yaoi and Yuri market)
@@Mallowyc well duh
I’ll take my gay married life in America thank you.
I love when My "CLOSE FRIEND" pins me against a tree
its and giving they were roommates 😭
@@Ookkonen1LMFAO FR its giving “was it casual?”
My actual friend in real life does this to me they pinned me to a wall
@@dorothyiball6686yeah your "friend"
I’d agree but my friends do that
THEYRE GAY?!!?!!?
nah it's okay. they're cousins.
okay phew. I'm glad you cleared that up. it's way less weird to kiss your cousin on the mouth
Incest is better kept within the family afterall.
Bro is from Alabama
@@jeffreyzheng8875 pretty sure it was sarcasm lol
They're European 😂
@@samuelardelean7037son you're telling me they're... gay AND European?
Whoever suggested that the lesbian couple in Sailor Moon should be cousins must’ve been a historian 🤔
The cloverway dub lost a lot of it's budget, the quality declined by ALOT from dic. So much so the script was a rush job vis a vis the SMC reboot in 2010s. Also they were Canadian at the behest of American interests.
Yeah 😅
Ngl i don't know if i should be happy the American version didn't remove the tender moments of Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune or mad because they made them cousins.
Because on the other hand people were able to see more queer media but it also might become weird for those people because they're "cousins"
potentially room-mates 🤔
Still better that what france did. Uranus is female when transformed in sailor senshi and male otherwise . Wich only confused kids
@@ceebailzand they were roommates!
In sonic x, there’s a robot named lucky, who’s whole thing is that he’s kind and very lucky, even if he works for eggman. There’s a part where he’s falling and sonic saves him, and the screen turns pink with a bunch of hearts and one of the other eggman bots says something like ‘he’s in love with sonic!’. It’s not a surprise that this was cut from the American dub-
Bro ☠️☠️☠️
Good. That's wierd af
That actually sounds funny and pretty cool, lol
@@LittleDarlingangel the character seems fine. But this interaction is too wierd to be put in.
It's weird that japan has the largest yaoi industry but also is the same country that bans gay marriages
They like the thought of 2 of the same gender acting gay. But actually being stays fictional
@@worstpartis20068 "Japan does not recognize same-sex marriages or civil unions. Several municipalities and prefectures issue same-sex partnership certificates, which provide some benefits, but do not offer equal legal recognition." Do a Google search next time
@@worstpartis20068 can you give me a source
@@worstpartis20068 gay marriages are still illegal sure it's possible for gay marriages to be legalized but that's far from now, do a simple wiki search next time
Culturally, japan just doesnt see gay relationships as genuine. Theres this thing called Class S, thats essentially just sapphic relationships between the girl students. Lesbians in japan are seen as immature, like they havent outgrown their class s days.
Gay couple: 😡
Inc3st: 🤠
Fr like: as long as they're the opposite sex🙄
Merica
lmao the taste of good old America 😭😭😭
SWEET HOME ALABAMA
@@teshlafreeman4040oh no no no as an American, and the majority of all we don’t defend THE SOUTH for there outrageous actions 😂
Whatever they did to keep us from thinking Sakura’s brother n his friend were gay didn’t work cause even at like 7 years old I had a feeling they liked each other n shipped them.
Same but u was around 10😂😂
Literally same. And same with Kyo Kara Maoh. Even as a 6 y.o, i understood these 2 ships 🥹
i kinda sniffed the fruityness just seeing them when i was 12 💀
I watched the version where it was explicitly mentioned and 8 year old me just yelled out loud “I KNEW IT”
REAL
My guy toya has tried to confess to yukito HUNDREDS of times
It’s interesting, Japanese art and artists seem to be very open about Japan’s social issues and they are given way more public notice than when it’s done in the United States, yet it seems the overall Japanese public just doesn’t want to take action. Maybe the younger generations want to, but they are in the minority.
They like it in their media, but not in the real world
@@nounourslove6857 you know I’ll also add that the way America and Japan produce media is very different. American media is written by many people, screen tested, reviewed, changed, and ultimately this leads to producing shows that reflect an average political leaning. In Japan however, Anime start off as manga, and the artist has full creative control. Since artists tend to be very progressive, this results in anime being more progressive. I’m sure if you look at Japanese TV that is written and produced in the same way America does, it’s a lot more conservative.
@DoubtlessCar0 but sometime editor will try to laid them down like make ending always end in status quo.
@@mimorisenpai8540 Like how Naruto and Sasuke were going to be a canon ship, but the editor made them not be one.
@@FeathersAnonfr? where did you hear that?
Don't forget Sayoran's crush on Yukito and Sayoran and Sakura fighting over him before they fell for each other.
For me it was a surprise coming from a catholic latino country that in USA that al this benign gay stuff was scandalous
I had no idea as a kid so now I'll have to read the manga 😂
It's clamp, they started as yaoi doujin artists lol.
@@manp112us is still addicted to that fake christian puritanism.
They have to pretend pursuing virtue somewhere to hide the alcoholism and drug abuse.
I think it was sorta explained by kid clow.
The big magical power in people make them drawn to one another and it takes some experience to distinguish this from a crush.
I only just realized that changing them to cousins in Sailor Moon doesn't even REALLY get rid of them being lesbians. It just added a weirder layer on top of something they deemed too weird already.
Exactly 😂
Nah they prefer sweet home alabama
Wait he’s not a dude?
@RamDramYT they're simultaneously male and female
@@SnowLily06 All of the main protags minus the cat and usagi's future husband are female. Uranus just simplified the idea of androgyny using limited japanese vocab, she didn't mean to say that she's literally both male and female at the same time. Media literacy. Learn it.
"Oh I love it when my STRAIGHT, CLOSE BEST BUDDY pins me against a tree and sacrifices his magical powers for me! 🥰"
Three words: Revolutionary Girl Utena.
In 1997, that show was so much more than obsolete. People didn’t know it existed apparently, and no one got their hands on it for years… it was weird
What's funny about this is, I watched that on funimation back when they had a free channel on TV. It weirded me out so I never finished it. Now I can't find it anywhere lol
(As a disclaimer: the thing I found weird was the atmosphere of the whole thing. Idk what it was exactly but I think it had something to do with the bloom effects lol)
@@MyLoserBrain it's free on TH-cam! Just under nozomi entertainment!:)
@@MyLoserBrain they have both the sub and the dub, too.
@@SomeplaceScary I don't have funimation or crunchy roll, I have like every other paid streaming service though so that's kinda what I meant. But also I didn't know it was on either of those 😳
@@MyLoserBrain youtube apparently deleted my first comment, I'd written that it's on TH-cam with ads officially, I'm not sure if it was saying the word freəə or the official distributors name for some reason that flagged my comment.
Fun fact: Toya and yukito are canonically soulmates, they’re together in every universe including the many universes within tsubasa chronicles and cardcaptor sakura :)
Edit: I just re-read it and I meant together as in always seen with eachother, however it’s heavily implied that they’re romantically involved! ❤️
:D
they're so cute frfr I love them sm
Ew
@@PepetoGuychildish
@@PepetoGuy ŤA§TE THE ŘÆINBOW MOTHA-
In the OG Sailor Moon, Kunzite and Zoisite were both males but when it was broadcasted in the US Zoisite's gender was changed to female
I know that blew my mind away when I found out 😱
The fact that in the remake they gave them girlfriends when they are supposed to be a couple PISSES ME OFF SO HARD 🤬 I will never watch anything else than the og japanese sailor moon
In the italian dub, Zoisite seemed female, I mean, there were boobs 🤷
Wait really? I thought they were the sailor's lovers tho 💀💀 (or at least in the past life)
Wait really? I don’t remember too much but I remember Zoisites VA being obviously male and Kunzite being Dio
Omg that is so true. Sailormoon is my childhood. And I could still remember how confused I was with Uranus and Neptune's relationship. In some level though in my young brain, I picled up they were more than friends/cousins because of their scenes. There was something going on there, though I could not really understand it at that time.
Awesome, this is how society fucked up my brain to make me bisexual. Thank God me and my friends are not like that anymore.
The manga Sasaki and Miano (which is about gay high school students) was just banned in Florida schools.
Wtf, Sasaki and Miyano, there are more explicit mangas than that
how tf do you band an anime in school
do Americans watch anime on classes
classic Florida
@x0sk the manga was banned, not the anime. it just means school libraries aren't allowed to carry that series anymore which is a bummer.
WHAT HOW???
In Greece too the dub of Pitch Pitch Pitch introduced the villain lesbian couple as sisters , although they literally kissed eachother in one episode , so yeah ... The sweet home Alabama option wasn't applied only to America 💀💀💀
I mean...they're literally called the Black Beauty Sisters. The dubbers didn't change that, that's literally their Japanese names.
To be fair, kissing isn't necessarily romantic in families. If it's more than a peck though, BIG nuh-uh
@@Direblade11
I've watched the anime....
The older one will literally lovingly hold her sister's face while staring passionately in each other's eyes and drawing their faces close to each other like their about to kiss...complete with blushing and bedroom eyes.
And yeah, even in the original Japanese they still refer to each other as sisters. And it's never really made completely clear as to whether or not they're actually blood related sister's or if they're like adoptive sister's...but they're both the same type of marine life (angler fish) which does point to them being blood related...
Just did a wikipedia check. They are sisters both in manga and anime. HOWEVER, while the nature of their relationship was left open, interviews with cast members revealed that it was indeed of romantic nature. So yeah, they're both things lmao
@@Insanebehaviordude I didn't know that , guess that the anime plot was weird all along and ... My inner child is traumatized 😭😭😭
Heck, in the first season of Sailor Moon, two of the supporting villains , Zoosyte and Malacite, were lovers. Thing is they were both men, but Zoosyte was very feminine while Malacite was pretty masculine, so the American Dub just said Zoosyte was female!
They absolutely butchered this!
ZOOSYTE MY FAVORITE! EVEN AS A CHILD!!
Zoosyte or Zoisite (in Germany), was also voiced in Germany by a clear female VA.
They did the same thing with other gay characters like Fish Eye, iirc.
Smh and there little me was, having such a girl crush on Zoisite because I liked how masculine she looked
American Logic: “LGBTQIA+ content has no place in Children’s Media. But dressing them up in inappropriate outfits and slapping makeup on them is okay.”
Nah, they're both disgusting.
Also the Netflix subtitles for evangalion changes things to not be gay too. And that happened fairly recently.
What's frustrating is that those changes came from Studio Khara itself
wth that's strange, is there a way to watch the original subtitles in the states now? or since it's a studio change no way?
@@Amm6ie not if you're streaming it, gotta find the DVDs if you want the og subtitles
WTH it's Netflix. They're KNOWN for having plenty of gay couples in shows. Is it that they don't want to have gay couples that aren't westernized?
@@oneish7454Welp. Time to go to pirate sites ☠
I love Cardcaptor Sukura but you can so OBVIOUSLY tell they’re gay that it’s almost painful
The only straight obviously will be the SyaoSaku pair 😂
Card captor sakura had many types of love. Including between teachers and their students. Sakura's parents, and her own classmates and teacher. As well as the Clow reincarnation (also an elementary age child) and her substitute teacher.
I never realized.
My ass watching the anime on repeat (it was my hyperfixation as a child) and it never bothered me for some reason 😂😂😂😂
The only 'obvious' gay thing I noticed was the Syaoran crush to Yukito when they first met, only to be written off as magic attractions instead 😩
Yukito turned sakura down because he is in love with the brother in first place😂😂😂
I always love when people find out about Alluka from hxh and there's always some guy in the comments mentioning "woke" or something else and it's like
My brother in Christ, this came out in the 90s what are you waffling about
What is "woke" about alluka
@@stinkydiesels2336
Alluka is a trans girl.
@@stinkydiesels2336she was born male but identifies as a girl. Her family mostly refers to her as "it" (because of her lore), but will also say things like they only had boys, making it obvious that they don't accept her identity. Killua however fully supports her and refers to her as her little sister
"One piece live action made it woke"
Don't mess with op fans we don't even read our manga
@@Melbeezo I always laugh at those type of one piece fans lmao
The biggest problem for America is thinking anime was for kids😂😂😂
Depends on the show. Japan has distinctly different standards as to what is suitable for children, so what Americans might call unacceptable content would be altogether quite normal for Japanese child audiences.
@Spudtron98 that's a fair point. And we've also changed the standards quite a lot over the years.
Example: Friday the 13th was rated R back when it released. It likely would barely qualify for the low end of pg13 by today's standards.
It's because animation in general and video games are seen as "for kids".
yeah cause i totally didnt wanna see blood and titties when i was a kid...
Kodomomuke is an anime genre that's for kids though
I remember when I was a kid, the church I grew up in taught us that anime was yet another Satanic manipulation tactic and watching it would send my soul to burn in the deepest depths of Hell. 😂
Well if someone did take these shows too seriously, that's the time that the church of yours will be right 😂
i'm not religious, but if anime sent me to hell, i think i'd gladly go there myself.
@@nayu.shirakawa_same
As a Christian I feel bad for people who grew up in the super strict “Christian” households some people take things to far just because they don’t like it my former uncle once told me Pokemon was crazy safe to say I ignored him
Same. Once I reached teenage years though, my parents became more lenient and went "yk what, this is unnecessary" and ye, I started reading a it more manwha and watching anime. I really don't get why they don't want us to watch it lol. (Except... Well... It's safe to say I'll start clear of- specific animes. 💀💀)
Adrien Agreste: What good FRIENDS 😃
I can tottaly see it 😂😂😂😂😂😂 i love adrien❤❤❤❤
He always says we are just friends. 😂
@@villy_Syrius "and they were roommates" said the historian 😂
THIS ISNT THE FIRST TIME THEY MADE LOVERS COUSINS!
Uranus and Neptune
Achilles and Patroclus,
Sappho and literally any of her girlfriends.
Oh my God, I cannot get over the fact they made Achilles and Patroclus cousins. Literally coulda just made them best friends if they wanted to keep the gays out. (We all know they shoulda kept the gay aspects tho)
Oh, there are so, so, so many more of these historical figures.
You're telling me the two writers who have been lifelong penpals and eventually moved in together, but didn't marry, have kids, or write anything about women in their entire lives, are _straight?_
Fat chance
Wait Sappho is literally real person and also she’s known to be the OG lesbian! Whole sexuality was named after her!
Who is sappho I may ask?
@@V_essie poet
"Japan is a conservative paradise!"
"Dude, this is just censored media..."
"PARADISE!"
Yeah, Sailor Moon's English dub is very wonky. As someone who grew up with the Portuguese dub, Haruka and Michiru's relationship wasn't *explicit*, but it didn't take much brain power to see that Haruka flirted with every other girl and that both of them had more sparks than a wildfire.
It makes me wonder how the US handled the Sailor Starlights...
They don't. If I remember correctly, Sailor Stars didn't aired in US
They don't. It never happened in the us.
It just never aired 😂 they didn't bother with it as there was just too many "progressive" ideas in it.
@@levinkeluargapolcaare u a native english speaker
The show got canceled after super in the original run however when Viz bought the rights to the series and started a redub they finally finished it
This is grossly conflating the governing bodies with the artists of the society.
This.
Or the larger culture with the artists' intentions. There's a reason girls' shows had girls' gay relationships but gay men struggled to be accepted by wider society
@@cam4636 specifically girls' relationships, versus relationships between adult women.
Well that's usually what channels like this do get offended by any criticism towards their weeboo Island and then drop straw man parallels to try and be like. See you're worse lol I don't even have anything against Japan. Seems like a pretty cool place overall but God damn are its defenders cringy as hell sometimes
If only more were so nuanced
It was only against the law to be gay between 1872 and 1881.
However, gay marriage, job protections, and adoptions vary by prefecture-not nationally protected. Just last year, Japan struck down a law that you had to be sterilized to transition.
It is like Japan is a country with a history and culture that influences Japanese LGBT+ lived experience in a completely different way.
I think anime is all about escapism. The stories that they write through anime is a much more romanticised, ideal way of life that's full of crushes and excitement and you don't need to look any further than the average Japanese highschool experience to know that is not true at all. Same goes for queer people and representation. They WISH it was like that. doesn't mean it is. What makes people think that the ultra-conformist society that Japan is, welcomes queer people, that are inherently different to the heteronormative way of life everyone is so accustomed to? Hell you even get bullied for not having black hair in school, do people assume it's any different for sexualities and gender?
@@harmonydew6486Just looking at the abundance of self-insert isekai slop is enough to know there's an escapism problem going on over there 😭
@@annrosentia Holy shit never thought of it like that, good point, their asses are wanting OUT
That's unfortunate
Shojo manga has, for the most part, been about breaking out of the restrictive conservative culture for young girls in Japan. Obviously not all Shojo manga does this, but that is how it started and you can see a lot more of it in works from the 80s and 90s.
america: stop being a snowflake
also america:
edit: wtf are yall yappin about in the comments like actually go touch grass
naww im staying flaky atp, i dont care if im called woke its not inaccurate lmao.
This says a lot from me considering the fact that I'd rather vote for Trump (I am mentioning this because it involves the Republican party), but it's so funny hearing ppl say leftists only created cancel culture even tho it was conservative america who started it lmao. "How dare u listen to that devil music, how dare you watch that damn pokemon. Grrr Harry Potter!👁️" America flip floppy as fucc.
I thought "Snowflake" was reserved to leftists?
@@PinkmanOG i ain’t reading all that because what did this have to do with trump 😭
@@evecates2232 both parties call each other because according to their ideals, the other side wether leftist or right winger is consider a snowflake.
to an right winger, a gay person upset they can’t get married is being a snowflake
to a leftist, a conservative person is a snowflake for being mad of women having rights to an abortion
Even us Italians we saw how some parts were hella strange in Sailor Moon, Lady Oscar and many other anime, but that was because Italy would just take the already censured version from AMERICA, translate from English to Italian and dub it.
Just recently Italy gets anime from the direct source
I'm sorry dude, but I can't help but read your comment with Mario's voice. (I love Italy, btwn)
@@ghoztl3070 ahahahaa😂😂 love your comment!
If you ever decide to travel around my hometown (it's small but nice, it's called San Benedetto del Tronto, basically on the sea), Rome, or Florence/Firenze, hit me up! I'll be your travel agent and tour guide😂
I've always wondered about the Italian versions, because we had access to those first in my country and looking back, it did seem censored at least somewhat. We did have the original japanese version on national tv later, with overlay in our language but also the original voices in the background. I don't recall major differences though, it was so long ago.
No, abbiamo avuto delle censure originali made in Mediaset(ma, si, abbiamo importato versioni censurate americane di alcuni anime)
And historians will call them.. 😔
CLOSE FRIENDS, BESTIES, ROOMMATES COLLEAGUES
Cousins 💀
Anything but lovers 😔
History hates lovers
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"No gay irl. Only on TV"
- Japan
not to mention how they reasoned away Syaoran’s crush on Yukito by saying that he was intimidated by YUKITO OF ALL PEOPLE. like he literally scrambled away backwards blushing when they first met, and he tells Sakura when he should be telling her about his feelings for Yukito that that was intimidation 💀
To be fair, the canon reason for both of their attraction to him is that they were subconsciously reacting to his hidden magical energies, IIRC.
Not denying they are gay. But scrambling away backwards is very much a intimated or fearful move.
@lnsflare1 yeah, but i still think this was just to justify a really explicitly boy being in love with other boy. If he was just attracted to yukito because of the magic, then he should be attracted to Toya too or sakura, or eriol or any other character that has strong magical power
@@Razgarelit was because Yukito has the moon power (think of him as the moon) while Sakura and Touya have different source of magic, in Sakura's case was because it was from the stars (Sun). Eriol has power that comes from the Sun. I don't really now how to explain it but when we talk about magic in Clamp's universe, the people are more influenced by the moon, considering that most of our body consists of water, and water is influenced by the moon and its faces. In the reality that's what we were told in some countries that happens to women. The moon faces really has a deep influence in people because of water.
Like with the waters in the sea.
When you see more activity in water is when the moon is full moon and new moon.
Syaoran's power, because he is a descendant of Clow, he has a part of Sun's influence in him.
That's why Syaoran is very cautious around Kaho. Kaho is a human so even if she has a Moon influence, she is still a human, so Syaoran seems to perceive that. Sakura feel very calm and happy around Kaho, not only because of Kaho's personality but because of her powers.
Because Kaho is a human, she doesn't have the same level of attraction as Yue. Yue is a creature that is purely Moon power. Yue is not human.
Nah Syaoran being drawn to the power of the moon with the alter ego of Yukito which is Yue 🪽
That's why Syaoran going "gae" to Yukito many many times😂
The only thing that holds Japan back from having more progressive laws on the books, especially ones regarding LGBTQ people, is the very old and bureaucratic government officials at the top :( The public has around 75% support for gay marriage.
Old people in the governement really are a world wide issue
Christ, literally just like America (But America probably isn't as bad in that regard, because at least gay marriage is legal here, but also they're actively trying to cut that off and there's been a ton of trans/gay murders in the past few years)
There’s some things I agree with with their opinions, some I don’t. I don’t care what lgbt people do, just keep it to yourselves. Whatever weird kink someone’s into is their own business in the privacy of their home, I just don’t want to see a full latex dog suit guy on all 4s walking around in public with someone holding their leash. You can marry whoever you want, be into whatever you want, just act normal in public.
@@limitedbom2206I also agree, whoever, and wherever they are, pls... don't traumatize people's eyes in public 😭
Like that's all I wish of you honestly, you don't have to change really, just not in public OVERLY PDA that you can traumatize others.
Just keep the PDA in the sweet level, and tone down the spice in public.
@@limitedbom2206 ya right, but I actually don't think those dog kink people are LGBTQ bc why would'ya dress up as animal to have welll... Something close with another person... Zoophilia isn't part of the LGBTQ such as Pe@phi isn't. It's just weird people trying to normalize smth sick and actually dragging us normal people (not/)in love with someone else or those in the wrong body down, by acting as if it were the same altho consent is clearly missing💔
Toya and Yukito is the definition of 2 dudes holding hands in their coffin and historians will say “They were really close friends!”
In Panama, we got the anime USA versions translated to Spanish for those 2 animes. Let me tell you, the homosexual attractions/couples were very VERY clear, no matter how much they tried to hide them 😅 Specially in Cart Captore Sakura was so fucking in your face and they still pretended it was just "friendship" 😂😂😂😂😂
Funfact: Japan has the oldest still active Communist political party.
they have like 4 members
@3kojimbles895 it actually has a decent amount of seats in the diet. Much more active and powerful than any communist party in America or most of Europe (though that isn't saying much)
@@handeggchan1057openly communist you mean?
CpsA and CpsC old too tho and one Founder of cpsa is japanese communist
They’re adorable, the JCP. They do pretty well in Hokkaido because everybody basically works in massive agricultural co-ops anyway.
Manga and anime are one thing, but how are gay people actually treated in Japanese society?
Exactly lol
Oftentimes a lot of these same sex crushes and whatever (usually between young female characters) are seen as a phase or something innocent and cute, but when you're an adult you're typically expected to "grow out of it"
It is not common but it is normal, you might see someone stare at u, but that is it.
Average tbh, there are some weirdos who go like "Oh then i hope you don't have crush on me!" then there are very acceptive ones too.
I'm not sure if it changed but last I saw (years ago) gay couples weren't legally recognized
Again conservative country does not really mean conservative populace. Most Japanese people are in favour of gay marriage. There are people that are against it too of course but that's always the case for any country.
They also straight up cut out Sakura and Syaoran’s conversation about them both liking Yukito in the English dub which I only discovered when I rewatched the episodes dubbed and had it suddenly switch back into Japanese for that scene and that scene only
I remember the Japanese dub for the Transformers Beast Wars show originally have a male character in a relationship with the main protagonist (also male) but the English dub changed the character to a female
Lets not forget the evil "sisters" from Mermaid melody. In manga they are girlfriends and probably in the original anime. But everywhere else they are sisters.
Fr? Dang I had no idea
It should be noted that those two examples are _not_ examples of Japan's socio-polical views, but rather, individual exceptions to the norm. Not saying that Japan is some conservative American's paradise, but it is not a liberal American's paradise by any means.
Yeah it’s an issue where as far as my knowledge it’s a country with a rather progressive youth but also very conservative older generations, again it’s stupid to consider a country you have never lived in as a paradise for your political views. For example there are less Japanese anti-trans movements than in America, but in turn Japan is very accepting of open racism
@@whyisyes3957 I realised that a lot of South East Asian countries are more accepting of trans identities that homosexual ones, just from a general observation anyway, I wonder why? In the US and the West in general it’s the complete opposite.
@@pannajohns5255 Again it comes down to conforming, a trans man can conform and act as a man, marry a woman, etc. a gay man going out and being affectionate with his husband will be seen as weird as that never will conform to be like others… again this is just from observations
@@pannajohns5255 it's only accepted if you adhere to the strict gender roles.
@@pannajohns5255 because western trans people got really annoying
There's a big difference between anime and actual japanese society.
Young gen of Japan (the ones that make the anime and manga and populate most of japan) are progressive
Old gen (ones in control of japan) arent
Repression, suppression, oppression
So America didn't just have the gay couple but they made it a sweet home alabama gay couple unintentionally XD
If I could explain Japan from an American perspective, I would describe it as progressive in media but hushed in politics.
Its always funny to me... that homosexual relationships are portrayed as someting progressive when it were a thing since like ancient Greece
Except it wasn't and that's only modern perception of Greece , alot of historians on TH-cam disprove the myth that ancient Greece was gay
Greece wasn't gay. Stop the nonsense.
@@kingtachalla6181so to is the romans btw
Dear those people saying ancient Greece wasn't gay:
Alexander and Hephaestion would so, so disagree
@@PhantomGato-v- that's like saying 18th century Prussia is gay because Fredrick the great is gay
Nahhhhh they gave them the Patroclus and Achilles treatment 😭😭😭
Edit: SINCE WHEN IS ACHILLES A RAPIST????? LIKE I NEVER ACTUALLY SAW THE MOVIE, I JUST NOW THEY WERE LOVERS AND SOMEONE DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD BE COUSINS INSTEAD BUT I DON'T THINK HE EVER RAPED SOMEONE (at least not in Madeline Miller's book 😰)
I wouldn't use Achilles as good representation. He is also a rapist, child rapist, and murderer. He tried to assault Hemithea and murdered Tenes son of Apollo. He also beheaded young Trolius, son of Prium, and attempted to kidnap his sister Polyxena who he had fallen in love with. In revenge, Polyxena learned of Achilles' weakness which she gave to her brother Paris.
She was later sacrificed at Achilles' temple. In his afterlife many traditions state he lives eternally on the white isle with Polyxena or Medea or even Iphegenia.
What's even worse is Achilles actively killed the Athenean soldiers by asking his mother to spread sickness because he was mad to give up the slave Breseida to Agemmemnon. This is what lead to Patroclus wearing Achilles' armor and dying.
@@Adelynoirdoesn’t change the fact that he was intimate with patroclus, even if we can’t ascribe the modern labels of queerness to him.
@noakinn I never said he wasn't. My point is that Achilles is bad representation because he is a bad person. It is like saying the Catholic Church is gay because priests have a long history of harming young boys.
@@Adelynoirthat.. doesn’t add up like AT ALL. I’m pretty sure the reason the original commenter used Achilles and Patroculous (not sure if I’m spelling it right) is cuz historians prob labelled them close friends instead of the intimate relationship they actually had which fits extremely well to how Yukito and (I forgot his name)’s own relationship was butchered by the Americans. I genuinely have no idea where ur yap session was all abt cuz it has no relation to that story or the original comments context, Zeus and Poseidon aren’t very good people as well, HELL THEY DONT EVEN SCRATCH THE SURFACE OF MORALITY, but people will still name a move using thunder, Zeus, or a trident, Poseidon, because they relate and fit into the context, acting in same ways so you’d DESCRIBE THEM AS THEM IN SPITE OF HOW SH-TTY THEY ARE **COUGH COUGH** THE TIME ZEUS TRANSFORMED INTO A SWAN AND F-CKED SOMEONE AND HOW POSEIDON PULLED A P DIDDY ON MEDUSA IN HER OWN GODDESSES TEMPLE **COUGH COUGH** anyways
@Belphagor_ the commenter said they pulled a 'Petroculos and Achilles ', as you said saying they ignored a bi relationship. However, as I stated in the very first sentence, Achilles is not Bi-rep just because he is bi. You wouldn't show a picture of a catholic priest at a pride parade because they are known for assaulting young boys. There are many historical figures who are bi who deserve proper recognition: Virginia Wolfe, Marlene Dietrich, or Oscar Wilde. Real figures whose bisexuality is ignored in favor of heteronormativity. Frankly, I am quite tired of a fictional rapist and serial assaultist being held up as a flag of birepresentation as, though well intentioned, it perpetuates harmful stereotypes. If you prefer to hold a banner to a harmful myth as opposed to uplifting true bifigures of history and fiction(why not Virginia and Vita, Baker and Kahlo, Garbo and Pollak, or even Roosevelt and Hickock).
Also in CCS when Syaoran had a thing for Yukito, the relationship between Chiharu and Yamazaki, and how Rika was dating Terada-sensei.
Touya and yukito made me cry because I would watch the English version and there were so many gay scenes but no actually dating…
They should have made them official a long time ago
I was maybe 10 or 11 and was OBSESSED with Sailor Moon. I'll tell you right now, even back then I knew there was no possible way that they were cousins. 😅
I haven't watched sailor moon but I would definitely watch the uncensored one, cuz like wdym you made the couple cousins 😭
@@highsourjamapple9141I'd recommend staying far away from the Crystal version. It is one of the most insultingly awful, badly written, poorly executed, and shallow excuses for a cash grab I've ever sat through.
As an American, it’s simply a regular Tuesday to attend your cousins’ wedding. But don’t you DARE wink at someone that’s the same gender😡
(Before someone gets mad at me: this is a joke and incest is not actually normalized here)
Except for Alabama
It kinda is in Idaho, Utah, West Virginia, Georgia (rural not Atlanta), and Alabama. SA of sisters and daughters is especially common. And the LDS passively encouraged it for a long time
Love how the first phrase can go from "okay" to "wtf, ew" by just moving an apostrophe.
Isn't incest kinda normalize in Japan? Like back then in the 1800s? And I remember seeing a video on facts about "corn" and apparently many JAV stars are related to each other but don't mind doing it because it's a job and not love lmao
@@S_Carol Same. It’s the confusing beauty of the English language
I'm not an anime fan but there's this Norwegian show called skam and instead of dubbing it, several countries remade it with their own actors (Germany, france, spain, italy, Belgium, Netherlands, and the usa) and in season 3 the main character is a gay guy. The American version is the only one where he was changed into a girl (besides the spanish one but there they also changed his boyfriend into a girl too so it was still a gay couple)
The thing about Japan is that they’re very tolerant as a society, but not very accepting. So you can be part of the LGBTQ+ community in Japan and be fine, but your family, friends and coworkers might shun you/not accept you, for who you are.
And then you have America that is overly accepting and out of control to the point that it's counterintuitive to the cause
This might be a weird pet peeve, but I still don’t forgive the American versions making people think a rise ball is called a Jelly donut
I was SO DISTURBED when I was watching Sakura, cause that older friend took the young 12 year old out on little dates! The Japanese version was he was trying to befriend his boyfriends sister, but merican version had none of the implications so it was just WEIRD.
Well according to 'merica, age is only a number as long as it's an older man and younger girl.
It's actually worst than that: Sakura is 10 and 11 in the original stories and one of her classmates is clearly hot for teacher, (said teacher is also not doing anything to discourage her).
When recommending the series to people, one thing I point out is "they're behaving themselves due to the target audience and the ages of the characters, but it's still by CLAMP."
@@chakatfirepawwhen recommending the series, all I say is "NEVER watch the original localisation! it's not real!"
@@mahogara it's too recent in the past that we showed that as ok, but it's not exclusive to America. That's just the story they chose as more acceptable than depicting a young gay male couple in the 2000s. It's so sad to me, but I have a feeling things are getting better.
@@chakatfirepaw I mean, I get that, cause as a kid, we have teacher crushes for sure. i don't know if I got so far to see that interaction, but I just hope it was handled well by the show. Idk, that stuff really creeps me out, anime art style is creepy, behavior is too exaggerated, and it just concerns me that we depict things that aren't acceptable in irl shows.
Japan doesn't allow same-sex marriage because of the low birth rate, so it makes sense why they would ban it but would also do it as a form of entertainment.
They never made a law about gay things being illegal.
The concept of what is progressive and what is conservative differs greatly between the West and Japan, as well as other regions. For example, conservative India recognizes a "third" gender on passports, which from a Western perspective is super progressive, etc.
I don't think japanese society is really that progressive especially at the time you were talking about(sailor moon era) It's just that the artists and entertainers are always the most progressive in the nation since they often tackle with the idea of the status quo and realize it's flaws(in all places of the earth). And if you look at them(I haven't watched the show just completely from the excerpts you showed me so take this with a grain of salt) one of them confirms a male role and the other female role. This is much more acceptable in Asian conservatism than you think historically. Most countries in Asia always had prominent trans communities like India and Thailand while strictly forbiding same sex couples. This type of conservatism wants you to stick to the norm even if you aren't the norm. For them the idea of a man loving an other man is rule breaking, but the idea of a women in a man's body loving a man is still complying to their status quo. Hence it's accepted. I think it's the same force at work.
You're spot on. In the Sailor Moon manga, there's even a line where Neptune explains to Moon the nature of Sailor Uranus is that she's part man and woman, basically having male and female traits aka masculine persona but female body.
No fr tho why did they go with COUSINS?! Baby me was so weirded out for like a decade before I found out about that little localization decision 💀
A country's entertainment is not necessarily reflective of their culture. Just look at _The Acolyte._
Often, I hear it the other way around: that Japan is misconstrued in the West as a _liberal_ paradise in spite of the actually conservative culture.
Thankfully it wasn’t censored in France 🙏🏾 Sakura was my bi awakening as a kid and I’m so thankful
People have to realize that governments aren't their people, and vice versa. Artists won't just make art that pushes laws
Between girls: "samesex crush" ❤
Between guys: "The VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY OBVIOUSLY GAY RELATIONSHIP" 🔥
Idk the way you described the same thing very differently cracked me up lol
Look, out of all the lesbians and gay men I've talked to, those vibes are pretty accurate.
Japan is still conservative.
Please never forget about the Olympic committee.
But that doesn't mean, that Japan didn't have progressive stories.
The Sailor Moon one always made me think it was like some executive who had very little contact with the actual show DEMANDING it be a cousin relationship thinking that would fix EVERYTHING without any visual edits at all
It's not "progressive" Japan is incredibly conservative. The reason Sailor moon has a female couple was because it was looked at as a non-issue. Not a statement on sexuality rather just a funny quirk of the characters. Saying Japan is progressive for LGBTQ, just cuz anime has gay characters in it, is overlooking the thousands of repressed and discriminated against Japanese citizens who get pushed to end their own lives over their own sexuality.
He's not saying Japan itself is progressive (tho like anywhere it's not fully black and white and a lot of places and companies are moving towards acceptance of queer folks), he's addressing folks, mostly Americans, who watch anime who call it woke trash if newer anime contains a queer character, which is very much a problem in American fandoms of Japanese shows.
There are far more examples of queer characters in anime than that of Sailor Moon from that era and even earlier that were massively influential in the space! Heck, The Rose of Versailles was originally written in the 70s and had a lot of gender exploration with one of the main characters, Oscar.
That mangaka, Riyoko Ikeda, is also cited as one of the earliest to have a trans protagonist in her story Claudine in 1978. Japan was doing things with fiction in the mainstream, especially in media seen for children like Sailor Moon, decades before America really started in on it.
Like it's a little silly to deny the progressiveness they have with the history of queer works as old as the 70's.
Weeaboos love doing that though. Cartoon characters are more important than people in real life to them.
@@Desi-Designs No, you are ascribing your ideals to what hes saying, he is only talking about how progressive stuff in anime back in the day was too much to air in america, none of what you just said has to do with his video.
@@MontySlythonnope! He starts in the present tense at the very start of the video, "It's always funny to me how people think Japan IS some magical conservative paradise that doesn't talk about social issues" this is implying he's talking about people who are talking about Japan NOW and then he launches into examples of why that's not true citing sources from anime in the past, "because often times in history, Japanese is the one too progressive for America."
Think about this sentence. Why is he talking about Japan being a "conservative paradise" in the present tense with "is"? It's because he's addressing an issue where people believe that to be true right now.
Why do people believe that to be true? Because people right now, especially Americans, have had an adverse reaction to queer people being in anime and other media recently. Someone says they're gay in a show or a situation in which it shows a character is gay is shown in a trailer or somethin' and suddenly it's "woke garbage."
He goes on to explain that queer folk in anime has been something in anime for years.
Like. Why else would he phrase the sentence like that? Why would he be addressing this topic? The way it's laid out makes it clear that this was said for a reason: the reason being that it's an issue people are still having with queer characters even in modern America just like the censors who created Kissing Cousins back in the day.
(Spelling edit lol, ah early morning typing)
Like if I'm ascribing anything to what he's saying, it's just reading comprehension and context clues.
Let’s also not forget Smile Precure’s transformation into Glitter Force. SO MUCH WAS CUT.
FOR REAL! The US sucked the SOUL out of that show.
This is not anime related but the movie Troy, they changed Achilleus and Patroclus from very close guy friends who comforts each other and goes berserk when the other one dies and grieves like a mad, insisting they have to be buried together, to cousins instead.
Their art is progressive, but not so much socially
Artists reflect the society.
thought I'd say this but the fact you two share insanely identical pfps is amazing 😭
@@edpersona_l Bibble will allways be superior tho
@@edpersona_l xD look at that!
@@Looneey_17artist reflect aspects of society throughout their lens
I was really surprised with how Cardcaptor Sakura was aired in America. I'm from the Philippines, which was a very conservative country when it was first aired here, and even then, Toya and Yukito's relationship was very obvious even though it was never confirmed in the show.
Japan does talk about social issues.
Cough cough mother 3 cough cough
YEEEESSSSSSS
I mean
Death Note and Deadman Wonderland are both centered around criticisms of the Japanese justice system
It doesn't cease to be relevant to the issue just because someone watching doesn't understand the context
OK Lucas
But unlike western media they have tack, subtlety, aren't overly aggressive, preachy or condescending to the audience.
@@AkudamaDriver1us =bad Japan=good type comment. There are great American series’s and there are shit Japanese ones. Stop acting like a toddler
Thank you for bringing this up. Literally no one mentioned this.
Sarcastic?
It's weird. Resident Evil 1 on ps1 was censored in the western releases, but in Japan you had the full uncut gory cutscene. Then years later, Resident Evil 2 Remake is censored in japan, but uncensored in America.
Anime is different though. The culture teaches status quo and togetherness and not standing out, but anime is an escape where one can live out being the main character, having pink or silver hair, not wearing your uniform, or yes, bring queer. Sailor stars wasn't even dubbed in America because it was too trans (sailor scouts transforming into earth boys to hide just to change back magically into true, female forms). I think there's a line that literally translated into them claiming they do it because men have it easier on earth.
A lot of anime took inspiration in Bjorn Andresen as the typical European beauty... he was known from Death in Venice, in which he was the underage gay love interest :)
Yeah and his story is quite sad
I think you’re forgetting that in Japan, anime was watched by adults too. Whereas in America, the government perceived anime as cartoons for kids which generally didn’t have strong romantic themes.
Nahhh America be giving us the "the boys in the class when the teacher isn't around" ahh treatment 😭
There's different types of "progressive" and "conservative". No one's ever thought Japan was anti gay when the US wasn't. Japan is traditional family wise, which is stupidly considered a conservative viewpoint... progressive and conservative are NOT black and white, you can be heavily both at the same time. But extremely stupid people can't see that as a possibility and just see them as complete opposites
These terms have broad definitions but are still fairly consistent intersubjectively. It would be pretty silly to say that America isnt more progressive than Japan from a holistic perspective.
@@ttt5205 When you think about the role of the man and woman in a household and the expectations of those roles, Japan is VERY heavily conservative, compared to the extremely lax USA. People need to realize that when it comes to sexism, racism, and homophobia, the USA is the bottom of the list in all of those compared to most of the world. The US is top 10 most accepting of all variety of viewpoints and lifestyles. Has been for a LONG time. the "Too progressive" part is just the after effects of Christian worries about exposing children to overly sexual themes and that's completely gone in most of the US nowadays.
@@TheShockingShane Im not much of a USA fan but Id still have to admit that the US is fairly progressive as far as lgbtq goes. Japan still doesnt have legal gay marriage and only allowed someone to change their gender just a couple of months ago. The lgbtq movement is also significantly smaller in japan and doesnt have the broad support it has in the west. Saying that the US is at the bottom is also very silly. There are countries where being lgbtq is straight up illegal and you'd be thrown in jail or worse. There is next to none lgbtq recognition in asian countries, a lot of bigotry in many european countries, hungary for example, gay marriage is banned in 30 out of 54 african states as well. The US has already taken steps towards greater inclusion that many countries simply havent, even if conservatives are pushing back.
@ttt5205 Just to clarify, when I said bottom, I meant in a list of "most racist/sexist/homophobic." Sorry if that was misinterpreted. I worded it bad. So like Russia would be near the top.
@@TheShockingShane Ah I understand now, in that case I agree.
Voltron was butchered too. They cut Sven's death for US audiences and had him 'disappear/get captured' because they didn't believe kids that young could handle death. Which they later had to add to the show that they eventually found Sven (something that was never in the OG because well, Sven died) which just sort of screwed with the show's storyline.
My understanding is that Japan tolerates that same sex couples exist, just don’t be too public about it. And they wouldn’t support gay marriage. Maybe in the future when there’s a new generation of older citizens.
Toya and Yukito .... probably my gay awakening...yeah...likely
The gay guys at the end were so cute for no reason 😭
I remember me and my cousin would race home from work to watch Sailor Moon. At the time next works would only go so far in the show and then restart the series. And we still watched faithfully. I guess some rules had relaxed because when they finally started introducing new Sailors we lost our sh*t. We couldn’t even find Sailor Moon on tapes/DVD at the time. We were so deprived in The States.😩 When we finally saw the relationship between “the cousins” it made no sense and we were perturbed. It would be years later that we would learn it was because they were actually lovers. So much was changed and we didn’t even know. We still loved the show tho. That goes to show how great it was.
I don't understand people either, Japan seems a lot better in so many ways, of course there's still some downs, but I still wanna move to Japan and not stay where I am in America :(
It's a ridiculous argument, he's literally bringing up an Anime from the 90s. The US has changed much more since, that it actually makes modern Japan a more conservative place.
Its still such a shame that japan doesn't allow gay marriage.
Marriage is a Christian view that a man and woman come together and become one. If you want gay people to get “married” create a second word that has a similar meaning.
@@JustCallMePaperMarriage has always existed outside of a Christian viewpoint, though. (Are you forgetting the Greeks? Or Egyptians? Or all the countries that were relatively untouched by Christianity until the 1600-1700s?
@@Randumbasian147 Marriage was a thing before the Greeks. Genesis 2:24 is the first instance of marriage in recorded text.
@@JustCallMePaper But did the greeks know of it? No, they didn't. Their religion wasn't even an abrahamic one. They developed the concept of marriage on their own.
@@Randumbasian147 of course they knew about it.
Plus Dirty Pair, in which 1 in 10 people are canonically trans and had an entire episode centered around a man and his trans wife-to-be
To be fair, there were also several *EXTREMELY* problematic relationships that were also glossed over in Cardcaptor Sakura, like Sakura's dad having married one of his high school students or one of Sakura's elementary school friends being engaged to an adult teacher and it being portrayed as a romantic relationship.
My friends were re-watching Cardcaptor Sakura and made a Drake Yeah meme about Tomoyo's mother who is the 1st cousin of Sakura's mother.
The meme:
"Being upset my cousin is married a pedo?" Nope
"Being mad my cousin didn't marry me cause I'm in love with her."
yeah
I actually recently learned of an inversed version of this Japan did for a western show
As a Transformers fan, the 1990s show "Beast Wars" featured a female Autobot who had a romance with another of the cast, however when the show was released in Japan they changed her gender to male, and tried at first to make their relationship more akin to a pupil and master, but when the overt romanctic overtones and scenes happened they just, left it with all prior context established, which would then lead to the first same sex Transformers relationship
“See, Japan isn’t overly-conservative. They were even too progressive for the American FCC” lmaooo
The entirety of the Persona franchise would like your location 👁️👄👁️
cousins getting it on
America: i sleep
same sex couples just holds hands
America: NOT ON MY WATCH
Re-watching clover Way dub recently. They sure changed the dialogue and scrubbed it of any flirting, but left in the romantic music when they are on screen together.