Life from the womb to the tomb is valuable to God. Great point. Love that you brought out the point about all the commands have a vertical and horizontal dimension.
Nice! Appreciate your comments on the death penalty. They actually (and sadly) apply to our ‘correctional’ system as a whole. Thy kingdom come, O Lord, thy kingdom come!
Thanks Dra. Carmen for your help... I think sometimes we would like to apply the Bible to solve our situations today. I think the context is very important and one in particular is the number of people to whom these words are addressed. Today we would have millions of death penalty investigations around the world. Because directly or indirectly we are causing other people to suffer or die. Today in my state, one of the most violent cities in my country, controlled by human trafficking and cartels, The government has decided to promote the 10 commandments as part of the government's plan. I don't know how this will work. I think they are looking to raise awareness in people. I hope it is not meant as a charm to bring ‘good’.
The two tablets are copies. A copy for each member of the covenant party. All 10 are vertical and horizontal. No death codes for property. Exceptions were helpful. I've seen people extrapolate it in all types of unhelpful ways. Many of which you listed.
Thanks for this and all of the content on Torah Tuesday, as well as your books! I first heard you on Mike Heiser’s podcast and appreciate your scholarship ! Keep it coming. One question-other than Yahweh-directed wars and killing, how can we apply this to modern day war that citizens are forced to engage in? Martin
Great question, Martin. We must be very careful not to assume that "God is on our side." War should be a last resort. However, God appoints governments to restrain violence and greed and injustice. Sometimes war is the most effective way to hold other nations accountable for their actions (e.g. those who are aggressive against their neighbors).
Thank you for another great video! Question: Have you studied "The Testament of The Patriarchs?" I don't see anything in them that contradicts scripture, but seems to add further explanation. However, even though on a large scale, the Christian audience believes the Dead Sea Scrolls were a good thing for theology (I agree), it seems that when you introduce ideas from the scrolls (fragments or complete manuscripts) they aren't well received. Curious to your thoughts and thanks as always!
Hi Carmen, You said that Ex 21:22-25 on a pregnant woman gave the death penalty if either the woman or the unborn baby was killed. I read it like you (but am not a Hebrew scholar), but I have read elsewhere (from another Hebrew scholar) that it is only if the woman is killed. Can you explain more now or do we need to wait for you to get to that verse in Ex?
I will explain more fully when I get to chapter 21, which shouldn't take too long! I think the case is stronger for a protection on both mother and baby, and I'll walk through the reasons for that when we get there.
Hi Dr. Imes, Great video, though I wanna offer pushback against your critique of the traditional two tables paradigm and get your thoughts. While you're right that it's all related to God, it seems to me that some duties are to be directed to God in himself alone, whereas some directives are directed to God indirectly via regulation of our behavior towards one another. I think of Augustine's uti/frui distinction here. Hence, a given command can be *about* x while relating to y, but not being *about* y. So for instance, the command to love my wife is not about loving my community, though they are intimately related. Loving my wife redounds to the good of my community. But it's not *about* loving my community. Or consider "you must not lie." That's not *about* not exploiting the poor, though it's related--if I lie to my neighbor, that forms me to be the sort of person who ignores the truth of their being and exploits them. Thoughts?
Thanks for your thoughts! What makes the Decalogue a bit different is that the commands are stipulations of a covenant with Yahweh in which every Israelite is considered a covenant partner. To murder my neighbor is not just an affront against my community, but is a direct attack against Yahweh (because it is an attack on Yahweh's vassal whom he has pledged to protect). To worship false gods is not just a vertical violation because it directly impacts the entire community, putting the community at risk of God's wrath. So the two dimensions are more intimately connected than in a regular legal context. At least this is how I'm processing it!
Thank you, Carmen. I know that the 'Woman caught in adultery' passage in John 8 is a disputed text, but I believe it belongs in our New Testament - here, Jesus qualifies the conditions for the death penalty to be enacted...you must have a sinless, perfect executioner.
@@donj2222 You are incorrect. Christ did not bring judgement of the Law on anyone in His earthly ministry. Otherwise there would have been bodies dropping left and right, wherever He went. He came as a Lamb. A Light to the Gentiles. He said those who do not believe on Him condemn themselves. The Law has never saved anyone from death. It can only help you avoid the death penalty. The Law needed to be fulfilled by Christ for our eternal life.
Life from the womb to the tomb is valuable to God. Great point. Love that you brought out the point about all the commands have a vertical and horizontal dimension.
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Thank you for your clarity about the vertical and horizontal nature of the commandments as well as the death penalty. So helpful.
So glad you appreciated this!
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I appreciated your commentary on the modern death penalty also.
Nice! Appreciate your comments on the death penalty. They actually (and sadly) apply to our ‘correctional’ system as a whole. Thy kingdom come, O Lord, thy kingdom come!
Amen, Debi!
The reminder of YHWH' value to humanity and His creation just rings clear....
Yes!!
Thanks Dra. Carmen for your help...
I think sometimes we would like to apply the Bible to solve our situations today. I think the context is very important and one in particular is the number of people to whom these words are addressed. Today we would have millions of death penalty investigations around the world. Because directly or indirectly we are causing other people to suffer or die.
Today in my state, one of the most violent cities in my country, controlled by human trafficking and cartels, The government has decided to promote the 10 commandments as part of the government's plan. I don't know how this will work. I think they are looking to raise awareness in people. I hope it is not meant as a charm to bring ‘good’.
Interesting! Thanks, Cusi, for your thoughts. I pray for God's peace in Hermosillo!
@CarmenJoyImesPhD thanks for pray for Hmo but is not exactly Hermosillo... Is in border with USA
The two tablets are copies. A copy for each member of the covenant party.
All 10 are vertical and horizontal.
No death codes for property.
Exceptions were helpful. I've seen people extrapolate it in all types of unhelpful ways. Many of which you listed.
So glad this was helpful, Chris!
Thanks for this and all of the content on Torah Tuesday, as well as your books! I first heard you on Mike Heiser’s podcast and appreciate your scholarship ! Keep it coming.
One question-other than Yahweh-directed wars and killing, how can we apply this to modern day war that citizens are forced to engage in?
Martin
Great question, Martin. We must be very careful not to assume that "God is on our side." War should be a last resort. However, God appoints governments to restrain violence and greed and injustice. Sometimes war is the most effective way to hold other nations accountable for their actions (e.g. those who are aggressive against their neighbors).
Thank you for another great video! Question: Have you studied "The Testament of The Patriarchs?" I don't see anything in them that contradicts scripture, but seems to add further explanation. However, even though on a large scale, the Christian audience believes the Dead Sea Scrolls were a good thing for theology (I agree), it seems that when you introduce ideas from the scrolls (fragments or complete manuscripts) they aren't well received. Curious to your thoughts and thanks as always!
Thanks for your comment, Victor. I haven't studied the Testament of the Patriarchs. So many texts, so little time! Thanks for the nudge to read it.
Hi Carmen, You said that Ex 21:22-25 on a pregnant woman gave the death penalty if either the woman or the unborn baby was killed. I read it like you (but am not a Hebrew scholar), but I have read elsewhere (from another Hebrew scholar) that it is only if the woman is killed. Can you explain more now or do we need to wait for you to get to that verse in Ex?
I will explain more fully when I get to chapter 21, which shouldn't take too long! I think the case is stronger for a protection on both mother and baby, and I'll walk through the reasons for that when we get there.
Hi Dr. Imes,
Great video, though I wanna offer pushback against your critique of the traditional two tables paradigm and get your thoughts. While you're right that it's all related to God, it seems to me that some duties are to be directed to God in himself alone, whereas some directives are directed to God indirectly via regulation of our behavior towards one another. I think of Augustine's uti/frui distinction here.
Hence, a given command can be *about* x while relating to y, but not being *about* y. So for instance, the command to love my wife is not about loving my community, though they are intimately related. Loving my wife redounds to the good of my community. But it's not *about* loving my community. Or consider "you must not lie." That's not *about* not exploiting the poor, though it's related--if I lie to my neighbor, that forms me to be the sort of person who ignores the truth of their being and exploits them.
Thoughts?
Thanks for your thoughts! What makes the Decalogue a bit different is that the commands are stipulations of a covenant with Yahweh in which every Israelite is considered a covenant partner. To murder my neighbor is not just an affront against my community, but is a direct attack against Yahweh (because it is an attack on Yahweh's vassal whom he has pledged to protect). To worship false gods is not just a vertical violation because it directly impacts the entire community, putting the community at risk of God's wrath. So the two dimensions are more intimately connected than in a regular legal context. At least this is how I'm processing it!
Thank you, Carmen. I know that the 'Woman caught in adultery' passage in John 8 is a disputed text, but I believe it belongs in our New Testament - here, Jesus qualifies the conditions for the death penalty to be enacted...you must have a sinless, perfect executioner.
I do not agree with this understanding of John 8 as Yeshua would never nullify Torah in such a way (as I understand Torah and Yeshua).
An interesting text to consider! Thanks for weighing in.
@@donj2222 You are incorrect. Christ did not bring judgement of the Law on anyone in His earthly ministry. Otherwise there would have been bodies dropping left and right, wherever He went. He came as a Lamb. A Light to the Gentiles. He said those who do not believe on Him condemn themselves. The Law has never saved anyone from death. It can only help you avoid the death penalty. The Law needed to be fulfilled by Christ for our eternal life.