Evidence the Jury Did Not See in MA v Karen Read | Killer Or Cover-Up Murder Trial
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- Could you track the phones of everyone that was at the Albert's house? Court TV's Vinnie Politan and experts analyze the evidence the jury did not see during MA v #KarenRead.
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I didn't have time to watch the trial. Maybe, if they try her again I can make time to watch it. If they don't retry her I'm watch the first trial on archives. At this point I don't have an opinion.
i definitely need more evidence one way or the other to be able to decide
I watched every minute of every court day.
Brian Albert, Brian Higgins, and possibly Colin Albert committed murder!! If Norfolk County is serious about law and order, and seeking the truth, they will put all three of them on trial, convict them, and send them to prison!! Along with Jen McCabe, and all others involved in the cover-up!
For folks who are short on time but want to really understand the defense position, watch the five defense witnesses in the last three days of the trial.
Compelling!!!
The FBI should take the lead in investigating 34 Fairview Basement and Bulkhead, and the Sallyport tail light corruption!!!
Good show Vinny as always.
Bonnie, you said you want phone GPS. John’s GPS was on. It proved he never went in the house. That was demonstrated in trial by the Lt. It showed him in the yard at 12:24 and never moved. It showed it was impossible for him to have gone into the house. All demonstrated in the trial by MSP using GPS.
@@brbrknndy They have already stated they are going to retry her.
The state didn’t prove that JO was hit by a vehicle. The defense doesn’t have to prove anything. There was so much reasonable doubt. That’s my opinion.
true! 2 renowned professionals in fact stated his injuries were not that of a car backing into him.
I agree!!!
Absence of evidence is not evidence if absence . There is direct evidence of DNA on karens bumper and broken taillight that is proof karen hit John
No enough obviously
@@jendee1260 their own medical examiner said his injuries were inconsistent with being hit by a car as well
I'd be afraid to live in a town of a group of drunk driving cops.
More than likely the cops where you live do the same thing. Have you never been out with a group of LEOs? They definitely live life ABOVE the law.
Make friends with as many as you can.
Oh then you should join BLM because they're great. They're really good for you. Are you above it? Let me see. Karen Reed wasn't a cop. She was driving drunk explain that
Don't dial 911 if your boogie men cops are needed then. Karen's Guilty on the DNA 😅period
Karen Read was driving in a blackout drunk rage. That’s ok though.
imagine a body is found on the lawn and no police officer goes inside to investigate.
Especially when it's noted early on that Officer John O'Keefe was invited to that house.
Because Karen Read said I HIT HIM
@@thj534 i think you will find that mc cabe orignally said "did i hit him". regardless when a body is found on a lawn and there is no blood present it should be obvious to any idiot that that is not the scene of the crime.
and the police officer who lives at that house never came out to inquire what happened when there's many emts, ambulance etc in front.
also no cops inside the house goes out during all that kafuffel of rescuers, ambulance and cops
The main conspiracy suspects got rid of their phones, a house and a dog. That’s the problem.
That prooves nothing 😅
I can see why Higgins got rid of his phone 😅
Does nt come close to murder.😮
Their private lives and conversations should not be shown to the world because Karen killed John in a blackout drunk rage.
Also the family room in the basement...which they could ill afford to do. They ripped the floors and cement up also. Why? Soaked with blood.
Why did all these people destroy their phones? Who does that unless you are hiding something? Why did no one search that house? Why did they sell the house several months after this happened? Why did they get rid of their dog? If these people didn’t do anything wrong why completely uproot your life.
@@4catmom14 also ripped up the cement basement floor and remodeled the whole thing before the home sale.
Exactly on destroying the phones! I have all of my old phones and my brother always trades his in...WHO IN THE WORLD would DESTROY their phone and throw it in a dumpster???? I have NEVER heard of anyone doing that! I have asked everyone I know what they do with their old phones and they ALL said keep it or trade it in...Hmmm?!
They had all the text messages already, so it didn't matter if they got rid of the phones. Conspiracy theorists always overlook the obvious details and focus on the minor ones that support their assumptions. Just look at the JFK assassination. All kinds of wakey theory's about that.
I want to know how so many found her guilty? I wonder what the jurors were told by the judge? The whole justice system seems to be corrupt IMO
@@LifesPeachy321 you hit the nail on the head…
"rehomed" the dog, destroyed phones, altered/destroyed videos, redid basement floor right before selling house, butt dials-butt answers, etc... the list of reasonable doubt is more than long enough!
All speculation based on coincidence and false conclusions. FUD.
@@smacdonald5142 Enough to raise a very Reasonable Doubt. Karen Read is innocent and I don't need liveried govt goons or their jackboot licking sycophants telling me not to believe my eyes and ears. Go work for CNN, with the "Shawck and Haw-wah."
@@smacdonald5142coincidences.??? Here are a few…1). All members of the family saying Colin wasn’t there at the grand jury hearing (all changed there mind and then said…”O’ yeah, he was there” when finally shown timeline evidence he was. 2)Brain and Higgins the same day the “do not destroy your phones” order came down, they both destroy their phones. 3). Colin with busted knuckles and lying about how they got hurt then lying about his never fighting. Then they find video of him fighting online. 4). Celebrite being used as DNA evidence in ALL court cases as if it was factual like DNA. Then all of a sudden, it’s not credible because the CW says so?! 5). Hos long being deleted “only!” 6). DOJ/FBI being discredited by KR haters only? I think they know what we already knew. 7). Jen McCabe changing her testimony from the Grand Jury “Did I hit him? Could I have hit him? To “I hit him.” 7). The plow truck driver 8). The Dog Bites and scratches. 9). A blunt impact with a plastic twilight would never do that. 10) No bruises or brakes from a 6,000lb car hitting him 11) Blunt force trauma to the head 12). Phone found directly under him even though he flew how many feet?? 😂 13) celebrite saying he was going up and down stairs at the same time KR was already linked up to home WiFi. 14). Dog rehoused/rugs ripped up 15) Official, 1st on the scene, Professional Crime Scene Detectives, walking arm to shoulder not finding anything at the crime scene. 16). Altered Sally Port Video 17) 2 missing/deleted Sally Port Videos from the other side of the room? 18) gifts from Alberts to Proctor why? 19) Proctor not being recused from the case. 20) Daughter not knowing people who she goes on trips/vacation with and plays on the same HS team. Why lie if nothing to hide. 21) Butt dials and answers phones. But they never answered them they said. Again..why lie? 22) A crime happens on a cops doorstep and his friends are outside…Both a John O’KEEFE and his work friends..but he stays inside the entire time..Wouldn’t you be curious what was going on outside?? 23). If you thought you just killed someone, why would you call him repeatedly, “still in FULL ANGER MODE.” You wouldn’t, you would be scared to death and would be acting to make it seem you were wondering where he was and missing him. She had no idea he was out in the snow. 24). MAGIC HAIR making it all the way to the Sally Port….OK, could of froze on…But then, as all the ice melted off, it was still there and just plucked off the side of the car with a pair of tweezers! 😮…25). Higgins working all hours of the morning, that same morning “drunk” forgetting what he was doing at work and why? 26). The CWs police witness who said, and made a point to say, “the taillight was only cracked. But somehow the entire taillight ended up being totally destroyed and entirely off the car! Not one soul swing him in the snow or hearing the car crash outside when the timeline proves someone had to be outside at that time. I can keep going but I just can’t…it’s ridiculously obvious.
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The guest who said the WOUNDS were checked for dog DNA and that is 100% INCORRECT!!!!!!!
Only the shirt was tested and showed PIG DNA!!! Pig is common as dog treats for big dogs, ie pig ears.
The investigation dropped the ball by not swabbing the wounds but for some unknown reason they did NOT swab the wounds!!!
if the dog ate pig, there'd both pig AND dog DNA.
@@BoxerClover but they never swabbed the actual wounds. Just swabbing one spot on his shirt is not enough, swabbing the bite would have been the correct way and for some reason they didn’t. Not to mention that shirt in question was left with Proctor and no chain of custody or proper storage etc etc
@@BoxerCloverwounds were never swabbed. Plus clothing was left out on open to dry for WEEKS.
Which was dumb, they could find plastic or whatever they claim that caused the wounds. Maybe they did it but didn't like the results. 😅
Intentional
1.All these buttdials, I might do 1 or 2 in a year, but NEVER in my sleep when the phone is on the nightstand.
2. All the destroyed phones.
3. Never searched the house of where a dead man is found.
4. Timelines dont match.
5. Trooper paul who is a clown.
6. Missing bodycams, videos.
7. Jen Mccabe that was aloud to check protocols before she answered any questions.
8. Changing stories from day 1- present day.
9. Picked up Karens car before finding any tail pieces.
10 ...... Any more BS in this trial.
Even IF Karen did it, you cant convict her on these "evidence".
Not guilty and greeting from Sweden 🇸🇪
Phots taken a the scene, which way he was laying, the 911 call so many little things are just wrong
You forgot "BUTT ANSWERS" and "BUTT CONVERSATIONS"
I totally agree this was the most unprofessional, shady murder case I've seen. The idea they want to retry this case is insane.
Thanks for the efficient and appreciated comment!
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If I had cops and ambulance sirens and flashing lights and people screaming out the front of my house, I’d be out there in a second. I find it really strange that the Albert’s slept through it all.
Yeah, especially because no one was pounding on their door, asking if they saw anything.
@@rebeccacampbell8020 vv c h. Km hu x z xc
Anybody would
And the dog never barks
@@rebeccacampbell8020Jen McCabe went inside and woke them up
Why is nobody discussing that there was NO SEARCH of the Albert's house. Notwithstanding that the crime scene was outside, any normal investigator would certainly have secured the house as a possible crime scene and done a thorough search of the house and all of the rooms of the house to eliminate them for being connected to the crime. This case screams COVER-UP and malfeasance by the police and investigators.
I think you're getting ahead of yourself to complain that there was no search of the Albert house.
There wasn't even a search of the area where the body was found! Several possible eyewitnesses to the collision (Sara Levinson, Brian Albert Jr., the other people in Ryan Nagel's truck, Lucky Loughran, Caitlin Albert and "Trissy Tightlips", etc) weren't even interviewed until Proctor found out people were getting federal grand jury subpoenas sixteen months after the crime.
If this investigation was being done in good faith, in the genuine belief that it was a vehicular homicide, why didn't Proctor ever arrange for a comprehensive search of the accident scene? Why didn't he at least try to interview everybody he had reason to think might have seen the collision? Why wasn't the location of ANYTHING measured?
Joe Paul's collision reconstruction is based, in part, on a second-hand *estimate* of where O'Keefe's body had been found. Trooper Joe Paul got it from Lt. Paul Gallagher, who wasn't there when John was found. Some unidentified person told Gallagher that O'Keefe was about seven feet from the curb, and Paul just ran with it.
They should investigate now and why not?
@rm-dc6tx because on the location trace of O'Keefe phone it showed that he never went in the house. Theyxwere waiting for him to get there.
@@jaynepetersen454 Wasn’t that based on assuming that the GPS has 3’ resolution, when in fact it does not?
Any thoughts on why Jen McCabe was texting and calling John repeatedly, acting like she could see the SUV outside, for about 20 minutes after the SUV left? Seems weird.
@@johndevlin that again is according to defense. She did call him because he said he was coming over and didn't show up. She called him when she saw the suv and he still didn't come in the house.
Four medical experts stated injuries were not consistent with being hit by a vehicle, two accident reconstruction experts (with PHDs, hired by FBI/DOJ ) also stated the same. “You can't deny the science and the physics.” Unfortunately, people still do.
Unfortunately the jury of our peers often believe, if your in court you did something wrong. If the police said you did it even without proof you are guilty
It wasnt 4 that stated that. The defense experts said it but they did not review the evidence or investigation reports in their analysis.
@@ritaeichler2066exactly
@@ritaeichler2066the common wealths own medical examiner said John’s injuries were inconsistent with being hit by a vehicle as well
It doesn't mean he wasn't hit by a car that's an opinion. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence😅
Karens location data was DELETED AFTER HER CELL WAS IN POLICE CUSTODY
Nah I believe she might’ve wiped it after her call to Daddy round 1.30am. Who knows what she did between 12.45am - 6.00am in the morning. Lies upon lies were made that very morning by Karen Read.
@@kerri-lynbryant293 no ma'am. There were deletions of Karen's location data found in April 2022- while the cops had her phone. It was in testimony at trial.
The same person who wiped also earased Sandra Birchmores phone were the dates were before she turned 18 or alleged by the family.
IMPORTANT: On day 22, Dighton Police Sgt. Nicholas Barros testified that there was only 1 piece missing from the cracked taillight when he arrived at the Read’s residence BEFORE the car was towed.
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@abeerali7834 So they smashed it up and buried the pieces deep in the snow how exactly? Given the search team were there at the same time
@@oiooi6460
The search team arrived at 5.45. The car was taken on a 15 minute drive at 4.16 but Proctor 'mistyped' and wrote that it was collected at 5.30 to cover the missing 1 hour 15 minutes. So they had the vehicle for over an hour before the search team arrived. The tow driver said he left the car outside the sallyport so it's easy to smash it, drive 5 minutes away to 34 fairview, lay the pieces and return to the sallyport before the search team got there.
Also a search team had already searched the area, when the snow was softer and before it had been treaded on making it easier to see. They took the leaf blower and moved the snow all the way to the ground but there was no taillight. Taillight was found only after Proctor took the car on a 15 minute journey that lasted one and a quarter hours. That's how the 2nd search team found things. And even though they had shovels its strange that they didn't find all the pieces. They just magically appeared after 2 sets of police searched.
@@oiooi6460 they toke the car to the police station before it got towed. Remember the video that was reversed? It was night time or early morning because the sun wasn't out yet
@JustUsProduction Man you believe any old crap
I’m still shocked that the home owners of an officer never went outside of his home when another fallen officer found on his lawn???
Perhaps he couldn’t come out because John had got a few blows in during the fight and left marks on Alberts face.
You'd think the cops would barge in to make sure it wasn't some lunatic cop killer tryna get both Okeef and Albert
Especially how much the blue sticks together
Right and they refer to him as a some guy
And how was it that he’s in a mound of snow but no snow on top of him ? I think he was put there after the plow or the plow guy did it ! Maybe paid off by one of the cops , I’m beginning to feel like John was set up the whole time probably had some dirt on them . I mean seriously why would they be having an after party mature adults knowing that there was a blizzard going to come and kids at home and 14 other adults in the house where were their kids? What time did those people leave who has a party when there’s going to be a blizzard especially cops.
Or security cameras off
House sold, phones/SIM cards destroyed, dog sent to another state, simultaneous butt dials, no ring cameras at all, perjured time lines?! WTH!
Apparently that jury was as blind as Casey Anthony’s.
That dog is dead I bet
Pretty sure the experts proved he wasn't hit by a car...
Not proven. None of the experts included the case investigation reporting in their analysis.
Opinion only Karen's Guilty
@@ritaeichler2066did you watch the same trial?
@@Kwinters988Right?!?!🤦🏻♀️Like What?
??? With 1/3 of the evidence.
Which guy? The one with his wife on free Karen read pages ? Umm ok.
It's about time people realize cops can be just as dirty as criminals...
In this case, worse.
Gee, nobody ever had that thought before
It's time to realise that criminals can be just as dirty as cops!!
Defense lawyers are way worse in some cases/
Right? It’s not novel going on since the dawn of time Jesus
You don't rehome your dog and get rid of cell phones and delete texts, phone calls 😒 sell your house that was in the family. All of that is suspicious 😒
I agree. Just odd.
Why doesn't everyone ask for a fair, thorough investigation?! Investigate everyone, the Alberts, McCabes, Colin Albert, Higgins get all cell phone records and location! If they are so sure, KR did it then fill all those holes!! Get real experts!!
It’s my understanding that the judge will not allow the Albers to be investigated. She is part of the cover up. Also the judge would not allow the FBI to step in and investigate and be a part of this trial. At least that’s the way I see it and interpret the fact.
Yes! Exactly! Be fair before you point fingers at another. They’re so quick to blame and claim so many calls were butt dialed
All those missing cell phones that were destroyed all those Sim cards that were destroyed all those butt dials that night come on people the real murders is not Karen Reed. They’re the people inside that house. Why would they destroy the Sim card and cell phones after they knew good and well, they should not. I would bet you will find John O’Keefe’s blood under that newly poured basement floor in the house.
When 3 of the main characters involved destroyed their phones the day before they had a legal subpoena .
It’s crazy that the police did not even step inside the house where he was found on the lawn !
They can’t fill in the holes because it isn’t true!
Clearly weren’t paying attention. The defense tried getting everyone’s phone. Some got rid of their phones, everyone deleted a bunch of calls and everything else. That was part of the case! Omg
they clearly don't have as much free time as you
@@user-ukt They may not have lots of free time, but making these videos is their part of their job. So they spend lots of time watching trials. What's their excuse then for not paying proper attention?
I came here to say this. These people know nothing. They need to read the discovery stuff and what was allowed and not allowed. The defense tried.
But if their phone isn’t pinging then there won’t be anything on the cell tower.
And Karen’s phone wasn’t turned in for over two years. N she had a burner.
go watch something else.
The 'next' jury, if there is one, will know allll about this, and she will be found not guilty within 5 minutes.
Theres a reason the prosecution isn't bringing in everyones cell data- Theres a reason no one took a picture of that taillight.. there's a reason videos are missing footage- ....and the reason is, it would all show KR is innocent.
Yes yes yes!!!!! 🙌🏻
EXACTLY
Its also why the prosecution didn't call the 2 gentlemen hired by the FBI because they didn't agree with their theory that he was hit by a car instead the defense called them.
We see the tailight haha. Take your pic It’s busted. Clearly busted at 5 am.
You hit it you hit it, you hit it! Bingo, if they did the investigation properly the Mcalberts would be in trouble
Did any of the people on the panel follow this trial? Higgins AND Brian Albert destroyed their phones and threw them away after they were told not to! The defense questioned all of them about the phone calls and texts that they were allowed access to. I think these people on the panel fail to understand that if the CW doesn't want the defense to obtain information that could hurt their case, Bev has zero issues telling the defense they can't have it. In pretrial, the defense had to fight for what phone records they actually were able to obtain from the McAlberts. Bev and Lally accused the defense of going on a fishing expedition when they requested the phone records.
They threw their phones away, the day before they were told not to. Someone tipped them off.
@@user-nj9db2tg9wbingo
Exactly!!!
the phone destroying was because one had affairs an the other had job issues
and they would not admit to their reasons
@@heavymetalrehab mcalberts were not on trial no matter how hard the defense lawyers tried to convince people. They have rights as well.
We need justice for Officer O’Keefe
@Nicholas-HTX EVERYONE wants justice for him, including the people supporting KR. The things is a botched investigation is NOT justice. Convicting the wrong person, is NOT justice. Even if they have the right person, the investigation was so badly done, and the evidence is so contaminated/ manipulated that there an be no justice from it. The investigation is being investigated. There was so much misconduct that justice simply isn't possible unless someone comes forward and confesses. The evidence doesn't match the state's story. "Evidence" that doesn't show up until the trial starts? Evidence that's effectively missing from the record for nearly 2 weeks... That's not justice. If the family and friends REALLY want justice, they would be willing to look at the TRUTH, which is he was associated with some super shady people. It's easier to blame a girlfriend that no one likes than it is to admit that the victim's own friends might be the cause. That's NOT justice. Justice would be finding the truth no matter what it is, and holding the RIGHT people accountable. No one seems interested in doing that, so I am sorry to say, there will be no justice.
So tell me, how is railroading someone in a corrupt investigation justice? This investigation was so messed up that the IA AND the feds are investigating? Does that happen in a vacuum? Osmosis? There's a reason the entire department and investigation are being looked at by the feds, and it isn't because they did the right thing, or because they are unfortunate bystanders.
Not happening, unfortunately
I cant believe the DA signed off on this case to go to trial with such little evidence . They should have been told no go back and get the evidence . Waste of taxpayers money
Let’s see…lots of window activity watching SUV…lots of comings and goings….YET no one saw a body! And…Karen was back at John’s at 12:36, when all the window activity was going on….so, come on…who is lying here????
Karen is the only onw with mutant eyes, because she could run to a snow covered body in the dark.
Prosecution originally thought that Karen ran him over at 12;45am, so the narrative of all the conspirators was that all eyes were on Karen's vehicle constantly at 12;20 through 12;35, thru windows and doors and the car that drove up behind.
But when it later came out that Karen was already home and on the wifi at 12;36, and that John had actually died at 12;29am, it was too late for the prosecution to shift all of the conspiring timeline testimonies.
4 minutes drive to John's house
@@stugrant01Prosecution said 12:45 at Arraignment, 2 day after on February,2nd
No data was collected at that time
He never said that in opening statement 0:52
@@MaureenODonovan wrong 7-8 in good weather - and she isn't from canton
She is not guilty. I would be afraid of living in a town with police like they have there. No way she is guilty. It’s a shame Karen has to go back on trial. She’s never going to get to grieve. I think people have forgotten she has lost John also. How sad.
I don't know why I keep watching this debacle but i just can't stop 😂😢
Omg me too every night I put my son to bed sit on the couch and go down the rabbit hole lol
Your emojies make no sense to your sentence. First a smiley and then a tear drop.
And me lol
Me too🤦🏻♀️
I'm mainly interested in seeing whether the prosecutors will ever show that they're capable of feeling shame.
They probably never will; their usual practice is just to ignore new exculpatory information as it arises. But maybe someday?
I was looking through the "Statement of Facts" in their last pretrial filing this morning. It says Jen McCabe texted O'Keefe at 12:31 ("Hello"), 12:40 ("Pulll up behind me"), and 12:45 ("Hello"), and that she "observed the black SUV drive away from the house" just after the last one.
It's now incontrovertible, from the state's own evidence (Nick Guarino) that the absolute latest Read could have driven away from the house is 12:33 (her first ping off a cell tower other than the one nearest 34 Fairview), and that's if she drove back to 1 Meadows at more than twice the speed limit (there is no evidence that she was speeding at all).
So, we know Jen McCabe texted John at least twice (probably three times) after the SUV left. The 12:40 text clearly implies that she can still see the SUV, though it had been gone for *at least* seven minutes. Worse (and I cannot understand why the pretrial filings omit this), she also called his phone seven times during this period, including six times between 12:41 and 12:50. These calls were all deleted from her phone (though not from John's) and she claims they were butt dials. She sent a fricking text after the third call!
I think any reasonable person has to admit that this is at least a *bit* suspicious.
Incidentally, John's call records also show that he *answered* Jen McCabe's call at 12:29:44 and was connected for 8 seconds. So, until 12:29:52. According to the prosecution's new timeline (from the closing argument), "trigger event 2" (24 mph in reverse) happened at 12:30 a.m. Does this still work? How did Jen McCabe repeatedly miss seeing the body out there in plain view and not 60 feet from where she was standing? What SUV did she see driving away? Was that a different SUV? How come that one didn't see the body on the lawn? She called John at 12:29, got an answer (presumably him saying "I'm here"), then this horrific collision happens at 12:30, then she texts him "hello" a minute later? And she deleted that call? I mean, WTF!?
An ATF agent wiped his phone destroyed his simm card and dumped his phone and simm card in two separate military dumpsters.
guilty
Heck, I do that once a month...
Not sus at all.....
Just reasonable reactions from innocent parties. You know kind of like driving a white Ford bronco down the freeway, threatening to commit suicide because you murdered your ex-wife and a waiter. You know reasonable responses like that when you were innocent.
Lol
Fact, science proved he was not hit by a car!
If the mcabes, Albert’s and Higgens wanted to vindicate themselves because this conspiracy existed way before the trial started, why wouldn’t they turn their phones in? The only one who willingly gave her phone and didn’t delete anything was Karen. The rest threw phones away, deleted data, got new phones etc. it doesn’t make sense. If I was innocent I’d hand my phone right over to investigators.
Karen didnt do it willingly, for quite some time, Proctor started going through it BEFORE he had a warrant!
@@chhansen9813shame on him! He deserves to be fired
Jen McCabe was a very credible witness and I believe her and the others. Karen is a narcissist. 😏
@@desres2281 So how many years have you been tight with Karen? Thats what I thought, top shelf clown! Hi Jen
@@desres2281 Sighhhh
Go away jenny
Yea well what happens when certain people destroy their phones and SIM cards the DAY BEFORE THE SUBPOENA
So why they can’t do a phone dumb on that phone ?
@@Esperanza19925 a what?
@@missychelle33 this is what's just mind blowing 🤯
@@Esperanza19925what is a "phone dumb"?
I think he/she meant phone "dump". @shazzasees
Geofence data was court ordered but Proctor deliberately excluded the others in the house. Evidence has been erased, manipulated, inverted or missing. And MSP is sorry for the texts? Give me a break. People should be disturbed and it's not just Proctor. Don't let him be the scapegoat.
What about the phone calls between Higgins and Albert ? The butt dials , what about the thrown away phones and deleted messages
And the dog that quickly got whisked away to who knows where.
Who destroys their phone on a military base?!? WHO DOES THAT?? And right before he was told his phone would be needed for evidence. Come on, who does that?!?
Anyone can delete anything from a phone. Besides why let the world see your private messages. Funny fbi didn't find any framing of Karen from Proctors phone. He never planted evidence😅
Yes they set up the whole conspiracy , deciding who should do what, how to persuade every paramedic, local police officer, state police officer, fire fighter and all the people at the house to lie, and how to get Troopers to plant evidence. All in a few seconds of a call. Get out of here.
@@Robin-xt7yoor killed 😢
Vinnie. Karen Read is innocent. Did you not listen to the testimony? Karen deserves the Truth Also!!!!!!!!!!!
At the end of this trial, all 12 jurors should have stood on their chairs and screamed, “How the heck did this man die? If you can’t provide me with that, how am I to judge who is guilty?” This should never, never be retried without details of the mechanism of death!!!
Strangely no body cameras no ring cameras no taped witness statements no signed witness statements then doctored police videos and they convienietly destroyed her BLACK BOX -WHO DOES THAT BUT BENT COPS?
Black box shows Karen killed John
@MaureenODonovan Trpr Guarino testimony on Direct Qstning said the black box ie the chip w the data was destroyed from them trying to retrieve it. That's why Trooper Paul had only a little to work with (Key cycles only, without the GPS and time of day assoc to key cycles). If the full Blackbox data had survived, then this would have been over, either Karen exonerated or not. So given that why would Norfolk Co DA/Troopers not pulled out all the stops to preserve it? Why not get FBI experts to do what they do best? Mistakes like that are what leave such Qs in Peoples/Jurors minds. It starts to look shady how many mistakes the police made. @DutyRon, Ed Wallace, @JoeGiacalone and many more are aghast at how accepted police processes weren't followed, ie like no witness statements were taped nor signed statements. Etc. If police do not do their jobs properly, sadly a case is never going to be successful.
@MaureenODonovan
Source: Court testimony June 20 (day 28 of the trial) Trpr Guarino at the end of his testimony describe to the prosecutor that he tried several times to remove the Black Box chip from the Lexus, and didn't know how, and asked a Trooper from Calif to try to help and eventually destroyed the chip.
@@MaureenODonovan the car data Trooper Paul spoke to was from two key turns before his testing. That would have been when the car was getting loaded onto the flatbed, and couldn't possibly be related to the alleged collision.
They rehomed their phones.
They lied and said it was because someone from another case they were involved in, got their numbers. I would have asked, how many other times did you have to get rid of your phone for that reason, in your career??? I bet you they would have said, NONE.
Man this is golden..
@@user-nj9db2tg9w I think those Proctor and Higgins are glad there will be no retrial (realistically). Otherwise they'd have to go through all that again.
And the family dog
And dog!!
The FBI should be investigating this case! Not local police department.
don't forget Whitey and FBI
I agree with you 👍
Find out what was on the phones and Sim cards that everyone got rid of and you’ll find the answer to this murder
100% correct
Hmm, as if detectives didn't know.
It would have been just more trash talk about KR not worth losing your job over
@@Tess-163or it could have been about the death of John…
Oh geez well they just coincidentally happened to lose or destroy all the phones!!
Not one working camera on that night huh?! 🤷🏽♂️ A dog and house they had for years and both are gone. 🤔
No ring camera on the Albert's house, which I find weird.
Can't track Phone Data when so many McAlberts and friends ditched their phones.
I love how CourtTV gets a guy that didn't watch the trial and speaks of tracking phones. If he had followed the trial at all, he would know that the people it mattered also knew how to prevent their location being tracked.
Why did CourtTV even need this guy?
because they like to generate bullshit lies.
And he was handpicked...
Vinnie's cousin ?
DOES ANYONE ELSE HEAR THE SMOKE DETECTOR CHIRPING in one of these guys homes. 😂😂😂😂
I thought it was in my house at first! 😂😂
Literally makes me disregard anything he said even if I agree. Its a sign of an idiot, even if the idiot is correct
the irrefutable evidence is that the injuries are not consistent with a car accident
Judge gave impression of bias for commonwealth
No, bias for the McMorons!
The judge wouldn’t allow the phone records! Defense only got some records due to the FBI investigation
There was no search of house , phones were messed with . House had been remodeled, and sold , the dog . Too much missing pieces.
There are a few things that really bother me about M Proctor. As despicable as I believe he is, I believe his actions/ comments were the Culture of his Departmenr. When he could get away with saying such savage stuff about KELR TO HIS SUPERVISOR and get away with it. It can only be the Culture of his department.
He can’t be used as the Scapegoat, his Supervisor must be held accountable as well! His Supervisor is and should be his Mentor. That Supervisor she be held accountable every bit as Michael Proctor. If one must go then both of them need to go immediately! I’d love to know how M Proctor explained to his Mother how he could be so degrading to another woman.
If they had to rip up the basement because of water problems, wouldn't there be an insurance claim? or receipts?
JOHN NEVER ENTERED THE HOME
Good question.
@@davidking6986did you watch the trial? There’s evidence he did, all those steps. People have te-enacted it on the EXACT SAME STREETS WITH THE EXACT SAME PHONE MODEL and there is no way driving down an incline would cause the phone to think the person was taking steps!
@@davidking6986 are you friends with them?
So they wait 6 months haha. He never went in the house. Phone proves it. Talking about a house any house is like ? I mean why ?
I would get a warrant and search where they dumped the basement concrete im guessing thats where John's blood will be and possibly the dog
It's highly suspicious that some of these people destroyed their phones and sim cards and this doesn't bother the jury?
Being threatened by the alberts bothers them more.
@@TheGdav0202ha !
It. Is. Not. The. Job. Of. The. Accused. To. Prove. Their. Innocence!
HE KNOWS THAT, HE WAS A PROSECUTOR! HES JUST A CLOWN!
Exactly - the burden is on the Prosecution only, and they failed to prove their case, imho.
soon as they got rid off there phones case should have been thorn out and them cops charged with destroying evidence corrupt cops all the way to the top
Proctor did such a good he was fired today from the DA Office and stripped of his police powers.
Crazy how so much evidence was disposed of after the fact. Even the house was sold and the supposed crime scene was renovated? The dog was given away? Cell phones destroyed? The family should be able to go after law enforcement In the civil trial for a complete failure to investigate this crime.
The house was on the market months before. 6 months after the horse was sold so what ? He didn’t go in the house. Watching the trial proved that. So it’s irrelevant
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@@stevenprice6957he did go into the house! Listen to Caitlin Albert testimony. She let it slip. The Albert’s and McCabe text exchanges “tell the cops “the guy” never came into the house. Higgins saying he saw a tall dark man entering the house. All you anti Karen supporters!!!! I can’t fathom how you can’t trust the testimony of the medical examiners from the defense, the accident reconstruction experts. Do you have a dog? Ever been scratched?
So much corruption.
Proctor deliberately requested ONLY Android geofence data - knowing everyone had iPhones.
🎉Proctor got rehomed🎉
😅😅😅😂😂💥💥
Those wounds do not look consist with a broken tail light! Where is the forensics, and autopsy report? The medical professional in court.
The state proved nothing in this case. I actually thought KR was guilty until I watched this whole trial.
Lally was not as dynamic in presenting the case like jackson waz. Despite his poor speaking ability , i do believe there is lots of evidence that she is guilty of manslaughter. The DA should get a different prosecutor & another reconstruction expert for a retrial.
I did the opposite . Guilty as charged
@@davidking6986 Agree. Karen Read was out of her mind that night. Blackout drunk rage filled with hate towards John.
@@mandystrong8196SCIENCE (as explained by the top experts hired by the FBI) does NOT support JO ever having been struck by a vehicle!!! SCIENCE does not support her car’s damage being caused by a 24 mph collision with a pedestrian .
Case closed!!!
I thought she was. After the trial I knew she was. Guilty.
If you cannot trust in the investigators in charge to conduct themselves in a professional manner, then the common person would start questioning the evidence they provided.
Absolutely!
Proctor opinions. Have no bearing on the evidence in the case Guilty as charged
Exactly the "evidence the jury didn't see" is Proctor's investigation of the house
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They do if he has them opinions why investigating the case. If after then fine, but not why investigating @davidking6986
Something was up with this jury.🧐 Whether or not you believe that Karen is innocent.The state did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.This makes the jury look very suspicious in my opinion!
agreed.
The jury was confused by the the verdict forms. There is a good coverage of the issue by emily D Baker. Basically, the jury seems to have thought they needed to be unanimous for all three charges to give a verdict. They did not realize they could give a verdict for the murder charges and be deadlocked on the drunk driving charge. There is a motion from the defense EDB covers that explains some of the controversy.
@Lukkaboc nah I don't believe that for a minute🧐 there was not proof for that at all the only proof I saw was proof that Karen is innocent!
The State doesn't have to prove anything,because Karen Read Confess she hit him, "I hit him" remember ?So what else needs to be proven there . Just bring her to declare and ask her why she said "I hit him". She felt her car hitting his body, that's why she say "I hit him".Now she wants to retract of what she said,but what is done .She hit him because she said so,period, no need to present more proofs,experts,witness, cell towers etc etc. She run away and left him to die freezing in the snow. She is a criminal. Stop playing around and give peace to JO family. Truth is right on plain sight. Karen Read is guilty .
It's disgusting how this trial with Jacko and Yanetti and all manner of psycho social media fans can get away with this. Justice for JOK!
If you believe the people that said that who are knee deep in this
Hard to get the truth when phones have been dumped and wiped and the lead investigator has done zero by the book
That’s reasonable doubt in a nutshell
From expert evidence and common sense no vehicle struck oKeefe but some dog attacked him- none of that speaks to murder
I don't want another trial, but I'd love to see Proctor squirm and have to testify again after being relieved of duty.
Hes transferred
I agree and I also think the FEDS need to find out what car he was driving that night/morning and retrieve the gps data from it
@@ROBINstrawBERRYwine Maybe he took an Uber!
We don't actually know how divided the jury was!
I don’t feel like the prosecution proved their case. They have the burden of proof and they just couldn’t present a clear explanation of what happened.
No cover up/ Karen read is guilty!!!!! She going to jail!!!!!
Hey Rick Gundry, change the batteries in your smoke detector. 🤪
😂😂😂
I really hate how one judge has the power to decide what is admissible and what is not. They should be allowed to admit basically anything, and let the jury sift through it. If somebody brings in ridiculous evidence that only hurts their case, but a lot of things that aren't shown to a jury could be very helpful.
The Drunk Butt dialing town where the legal drinking age is 16.
And now: Proctor's been re-homed;)***
It is insane to hear these people who loved John be so blind to the actual evidence. They have all fallen victim to the gossip and think they are too smart to be fooled. But the evidence speaks for itself. His injuries could not have come from her car.
If they had nothing to hide why did they get rid of the phones
Bingo!!!!
I'm thinking because of shady things not related to this case, possibly.
@@shazzaseesOk well keep thinking
Why wouldnt they hide the dead body rather than leaving it on his own front lawn for public view? Absurd!!
AND renovate the basement
AND get rid of the dog
There was a flurry of activity with all the ‘butt dials’ between all these people. It proved nothing. I don’t see how this case can ever be proven to a huge degree of certainty. It’s an absolute mess and the Police should be ashamed of themselves, the way they let down one of their own!
Butt dials were just hang ups and let go to answering machine. That's no proof
They not only let down one of their own. They covered it up to protect another one of their own.
Its not their fault that she cant butt dial
@@lisajeter9511 proove it FBI couldn't
@@davidking6986So you’re saying they have closed their case? I don’t think so.
Karen is loving her newfound celebrity and people are forgetting who the REAL VICTIM is....and it's NOT Karen.
For me “hos long” at 227 is the entire case. It cannot be explained away.
Yes, it has been explained away
You just can't accept it
@@MaureenODonovan but it hasn’t been. That’s the thing….2 actions took place, the search and the deletion. The explanation in court was just not believable….they insist it was an anomaly….but 2 anomalies? Impossible. When the data is right in front of us, but we choose to ignore that, then we are just being complicit to a miscarriage of justice
Yes, it was explained. You must not have been watching the trial.
@@dawnmills6755 The explanation was totally bunk! You know that it was, but you refuse to accept it! Why don't you even try to explain the 2 actions that took place? Because you can't.
NO NO NO, 38:50 J.O's arm WAS NOT Tested for dog DNA, his shirt was. J.o. was already buried months later when k r's defense came up with 'Chloe bite'. They NEVER EXHUMED j.o.!! They tested his shirt!
They tested his shirt because that's what the "supposed dog" bit down on, if it happened, NOT on his skin.
Karen needs to be VERY careful about what she says because she isn't free and clear, she is still under indictment, still charged, and still facing court proceedings. Anything she says can and will be used against her.
She can say what she wants, innocent people can
No dog owner gets rid of their dog and rehomes that right after the cop is scratched up and bitten by a dog unless their dog really did this, which it did.
6 months after. They had to go to court a 5 months after John dies because it went at a dog and the owner who tried to protect their dog. So maybe get the facts correct. The dog is in a farm house now. It matters little. There is no canine DNA and if you know anything about dogs. They breath DNA their mouths are saturated. Lol. No doggy involved
Exactly!
It was months and months later after it attacked another dog. Defence jumped on this and concocted ANOTHER conspiracy. The only options I share with the defence is that proctor did things with the evidence to ensure her conviction as John was a cop. She did it though, proctor screwed up her getting jail time for it
@@kelliethomson922 they never said anything to the effect of it being months and months later. Prove that!
@@kelliethomson922do you have a dog? Ever been scratched or bitten by one? The marks on his arm were not caused by a taillight! That’s ridiculous
How did John's vomit get into his underwear underneath his pants and jocks? Oh yeah the belt was off. Did they shower him?
Oh, I didn't hear this part.
Sounds like they didn’t shower him. They were too busy cleaning up the 3 pints of John’s missing blood
The car did it!!!!! Or was it the snow plow, or Santa’s sleigh?
Is it possible to time-date vomit? I'm not sure he didn't vomit earlier in the day and just didn't clean up all the way around? Drunk people sometimes don't do the best job cleaning up.
The fact that everyone at that house destroyed their phones is proof enough for me they did it and not Karen
Correct me if I am wrong. But I'm fairly certain they did not test John's arm wounds for dog DNA as they just stated. They tested his shirt that came back pig blood/dna that Fyi some dog treats have.
How could anyone think she is guilty if all the people in the house destroyed either their phone data or sim?? That shows guilt on their part, end of story!!
Incorrect. 2 cops did. One was undercover and virtually had to. There’s still data from the phone. What’s it matter. John didn’t move after the crazy reverse. He didn’t go in. It stayed there till John was found and low and behold. The phone is right where he lay. So he didn’t move. I’ll make it simple for you. John’s DNA was inside the housing of the tail light. A drakes tail light. A brand new car. Think about it. It had to be broken with a part of him inside that tail light. It’s very simple.
None of the so called attackers DNA was found on his body.
@@stevenprice6957no, there was no DNA inside the taillight and no blood anywhere on the car or the broken plastic. 🤷🏼♀️
@@stevenprice6957
1. I don't know how your job goes, but in my job, if I have a work phone, or work provided phone, I have to return that after the fact. And the company would do with that phone and data as they see fit. The fact that you think this isn't the case for the fbi, let alone an undercover agent, is insane.
2. Yes, he did move. Actually, he kept moving for a good 10 mins after KR left the area. Even went down 3 stairs. Didn't follow the trial?
3. JO's DNA was not found anywhere near any piece of taillight. Yes, the CW wants you to believe that the taillight smashed and went all ninja star like all over his arm, but not one bit of DNA was found of him on any piece. None.
4. The taillight wasn't broken as much as shown in the trial. There is footage of her tailight, working and with color, when it was put up on the bed of the truck.
You either missed half the evidence of conveniently ignored it. Either way, you're wrong.
@@esmeraldawetterwachs8655Faise. John’s DNA is in the housing of the tailight. It was sealed. It can only get in there when broken. It’s a brand new car. That’s common sense. Think about it.
I don't think I'm going to waste time watching this video based on the responses. The trial and testimonies were clear; the Commonwealth did not meet the burden of proof! It should have been not guilty all around and Karen Read should have been acquitted.
A clear 911 call from Jen, John was face down..
What does that matter, as far as being face down? He could have rolled over as he was struggling to stay alive maybe?
I don't know what that means
@@shazzasees I'm pretty sure the forensic pathologist stated that the head injury was so significant that John was knocked unconscious & never regained consciousness. If that is the case, he would never have been able to turn over himself. He would have been found in the position he fell and sustained the catastrophic head injury.
That’s irrelevant
@@lianneamington1791no it’s not! Unconscious people CA NOT roll themselves over!!!! ME said that he would have been IMMEDIATELY unconscious with a head injury of that magnitude!
The question is why did Jen and Kerry lie and not say they flipped him over when Jen CLEARLY says so on the 911 call ???!!!
This case needs to take place outside that tainted community - it was obvious that there was too much reasonable doubt
KR legal team, has been jumping from one person to another then stating the dog did it.?
No bruises on John O. How was he hit by a car?
How was he beat up
If not Karen, it would have been Lucky! Blessings Lucky.
I had that same thought
I think without any doubt it was B Higgins and Chloe!
God works in mysterious ways . It was Karen and not Lucky because she can afford the Attorneys .Keep praying for Justice for officer JO and God is the True Judge not Bev 🙏🏽
That's what I think they were going to do (or at least hit and run no idea who did it) but Karen woke up and started looking for John earlier than expected so they blamed her.
I have no idea exactly what happened to John, but he absolutely was not hit by any car, that part is certain
Lucky isn't Lucky for nothing 😅 he's definitely got the right name.
Not guilty. The cops 100% did it
Wouldn't it have been great if the Canton police actually worn body cams, had videos in their interview rooms, didn't have missing times in the places they do have video?
It's almost as if corruption, bullying and cover-ups would be much harder to do. Could that be the reason they make sure there is little evidence?
Countless people all left that party house out the front doors but none saw a body
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this case is ridiculous
2 acre lot body was found by the property line, far left side, covered with several inches of snow
Not steps from the front door as stated by defence
@@MaureenODonovan it was barely snowing when they left. There was just a dusting , the heavy snow didn’t start falling until after 3:00am
@@vegefranzit really is. The level of corruption is mind boggling
And no one heard his phone being called 50 times...
Why invite people that don't know the case? This was a disaster.
Rick please change the batteries in your smoke alarm
The dog marks on the arm thing drives me insane when anyone that knows how a dog attacks knows that's where it attacks the forearm or the center of the arm or the legs or feet.
100 percent from a dog bite. I’d confidently bet on it. My husband is LE & has identical scarring due to a bite from a ptsd stricken German Shepherd.
No animal dna found on the victim arm ..no dog bites. I can see how with his right arm folded, the impact of her tailight & his shattered glass caused those cuts .😮
@@ritaeichler2066 Only his SHIRT was tested. His arm wasn’t swabbed. Rewatch the testimony before posting nonsense.
No dog DNA found it was sharp edges from the tail light
@@ritaeichler2066THEY NEVER SWABBED THE ARM WOUNDS!! Fact!!!
They only did one swab of the SHIRT, not the wounds!!!
And it showed PIG DNA, it’s common for large dogs to chew on pig ears as treats.
I don’t know why/how this much misinformation about the arm is being spread, watch the testimony again if you don’t understand! Wounds were not swabbed. Multiple EXPERTS testified these were dog bites and scratches. When a dog lunges, it is human instinct to throw up an arm to block the face and neck. The wounds are EXACTLY where they would be in a dog attack, don’t believe me, listen to the experts! Attorney Melanie Little had a great interview with a former police dog trainer who had decades of experience training canines to bite. He explained it very clearly, perhaps better than the expert in the trial who was very knowledgeable and qualified having published research on dog bites…..Garrett was 100% sure it was dog bites
Shame on you vinnie , track all the people there that night ? Youre so disingenuous, its gross