Salt Lake City, Utah, USA - 2002 Winter Games, Figure Skating, Men's Short Program - Evgeny Plushenko of Russia had an uncharacteristic fall on the quadruple toe-loop and placed 4th after this skate.
Но боже мой, как он катал, танцевал после падения, как в последний раз!.. А в конце ещё и улыбался, понимая, что, возможно, проигрывает эту Олимпиаду...
Well, many or most would agree...there's only one "Plushenko"!! Seriously! If you've seen all his performances over the years...I think you'd agree! Smile...
I would have loved to see both him and Yagudin skate perfectly and back-to-back, to see what the judges would do. It would have been really hard to separate them. I feel that Yagudin's program was more put together and his spins were a little more solid. It really would have been a call between Yagudin's more refined style and Plushy's bombastic showmanship.
disagree. his skating and his style are kind of garbage. later in his career, he became slightly more stylistically interesting, but he relied heavily on gimmicks and flashy costuming particularly here. his music edits aren't even very good.
No matter what you think. He has millions of fans in the whole world. He is the most famous, most well-known figure skater. But that is interesting Plushenko was the favorite of some really great ballet dancers including May Plisetskaya, Nikolai Tsiskaridze and Roberto Bolle also praised him..
Plushenko is is brillant and a powerhouse like no other. People leaving negative comments just came here to throw hate around. People get so jealous of talent, I guess. Ignore the dorks that are leaving bad comments. Plushenko is the BEST!
I love Plushenko and his amazing talent! I wish I spoke Russian so I could watch some of the Russian documentaries on him that do not have English subtitles. We love Plushenko in U.S.! All our love!
Why?He is the most decorated champion,he absolutely knows who is he.He is a legend! He worked hard for his results in his entire life,he was faithful to Mishin and his home country. He is the most popular skater in Eu and Russia too, many Japanese FS fans go crazy for him.He became a rich and successful man because of his talent. His life is the FS! But he said something what is didn't like the Americans or Americans media? But he thought he was right! He is a true man! And the greatest athlete!
Guy can skate and spin like a lyth mongoose. Anyone who denies that is in denial. Doesn't matter if you don't like his style or personality. The guy can skate. Period.
Even if he did jump correct, he had no chance of beating Yagudin in this short program. Yagudin did equal job with the jumps (supposing that Plushenko succeded in the first), and definitely had a better footwork. The music for this was lousy. I'm ma fan of MJ I haven't heard a worse compilation. He suited the music for his dance not the vica-versa. All in all Yagudin was simply better.
He did not only had that chance, he would surely have done it but for the missed quad. And everyone knows it: Yagudin won only because Plushenko fell down. Full stop. That is why Alexey cried when he saw his points after the FS. Even after the fall he was not sure Plushenko wouldn't win.
I'm speaking about the short program. Not the long program. Yagudin's performance was superior, in every single way. Given that Plushenko didn't miss the quad, both would have completed techniques of equal difficulty (the jumps), Plushenko jumps higher so he'd score on that one. But Yagudin's overall performance and the, I don't know the term in english (runway?) it's "дорожка" in Russian was way better and harder. So no. Plushenko is an amazing skater but in 2002 Yagudin owned him period. And in 2014 that Japanese skater owned him period.
Even so. In the long program Yagudin skated _after_ Plushenko who had once again failed at 4-3-2 combination. After Yagudin succeeded in the same combination he decided he would not risk it and changed his program did not perform two quads making it an easy win for him. Naturally afterwards he was afraid because two quads is huge. Then again given that Plushenko succeeded at 4-3-2 Yagudin would have gave his all to the performance and since I give it to Plushenko the 4-3-2 giving the missed two quads to Yagudin would again make it impossible for Plushenko to win.
***** I recommend you to rewatch Plushenko's LP. He did 4-3-3. The landing was not so clean, and nevertheless the program was WAY more difficult than that of Yagudin's (3 axel half loop 3 flip, etc). To say nothing of choreo which Yagudin never had, he always worked with his face only, not with the body. Btw the famous sequence of steps in his SP is very easy to do, it's impressive only for the audience, not for professionals.
Лучше Евгения Плющенко нет и не будет фигуриста!!! Он неповторим!!!! У Ягудина программы соостоят из набора элементов и пересматривать их не хочется.А катание Жени хочется смотреть и смотреть.Его катание вызывает столько эмоций!!!!! Он на легок, грациозен, музыкален и артистичен!!! А сколько вдохновения в его катании!!! Какая энергетика!!!! Восхищаюсь и очень люблю этого трудолюбивого ,преданного своему любимому делу Женечку!!! Его обожает весь мир!!! Здоровья тебе, Женечка, , счастья и удачи!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤
Veo esta coreografía una y otra vez a pesar de la caída, no me transmite nada.pareciera que eligió la música para conquistar al público y ni eso. El carácter, personalidad, forma particular de patinaje de yagudin le da mil vueltas .
I understand what you are saying, and I agree he should be very proud, and he is def. a legend!! I love his skating for sure. As a figure skating fan for over 20 years, I just found his lack of sportsmanship appalling during the 2010 Olympics. And trust me, I'm no Evan fan, and know that Plushenko is a MUCH better skater overall. He screwed up when he whined about his defeat and insulted the winner. Legends should also have class. It's just not cool, and nationality has nothing to do with it.
Pluchenko skates faster, spins faster and jumps higher. He also is more flamboyant. Yagudin is more graceful and puts more feeling into his performance.
I like the program cause for once it forces Plushenko to actually feel the music, but what I don't care for is how the music was edited, whoever did the editing needs to be shot cause it was really poorly done. I've never cared for him, but this program is one of the few I actually liked.
***** It felt disjointed to me, the music had no real flow really. Granted Evgeni was never really known for his artistry, but the editing of the music didn't help him.
Megan Woodard what are you talking about???? Plushenko was the youngest male skater ever who received perfect 6.0s score. He was only 16. y.o. In his career he received 75 6.0s most of them was artistry points. He received them in international competition. Check it please before you write incorrect things.
Just because he had the accolades that doesn't mean that I half to like him, and I only commented on how I didn't care for the way his music was edited not this program or how he skated it.
@@ZoltanneVarga-jn9oy He has serious score inflation. he was good, and for a while the best, however still received inflation. I still 100% support the fact he was better than Evan Lysenko tho.
I like plushenko but I agree 1000% with you. Yagudin was my favourite up till Hanyu came along (S.Lambiel was my second favourite). Plushenko's main strength was consistency and his career span - unfortunately Yagudin only had a 6 year career.
I agree about the program and music cuts; for me it's never been a favorite program. But Plush was skating to demonstrate the elements and with the exception of the fall on the quad, he bright that home. I love the footwork sequences in this one.
What's happened? The new system worked, but many skater, Fs expert, coach criticized. Plushenko come back, not won, although he was the best. He criticized the system, many experts, skaters supported him, was the big scandal. Many Fs fans wrote directly to the ISU, because of Plu, and the quad. The ISU changed the rules! Plu won the argument, and the male FS also won!!! In this season already were more quads! Plushenko is the most important, and popular skater of Fs history.
I'd disagree. Dick Button for me is most important figure skater. First person to do double axel and first person to do triple, he left a greater mark on figure skating.
And Plushy's fall would have been much more costly under this system than it was in 2002. He was 1/2 a rotation short on that quad, so it would have been downgraded to a triple and he would have lost a lot of execution points. Plus his spins were weaker then than they are now. It would have been much more difficult to make up that deficit in the long under the new system, I suspect.
He wasn't 1/2 rotation short, it would have just been a < call. He also would have added a Triple Toe to the end of the Lutz in the modern way of doing things, he already should have back then, but it wasn't the custom to change things up like that in the SP. Alexander Abt had an underrotated Lutz and a worse Axel and PCS, so very possibly Plushenko would still be placed 4th in the SP.
creo que todo paso como tenia que pasar si plushenko le hubiese ganado a yagudin creo que se hubiese estancado en cambio esa plata le ayudo a trabajar mas su estilo y laurearse en oro tal como paso en 2006
sigh..I became nervous when I read your comment.. How Plushenko will live without your respect? ;) But after I calmed down.. he will think to his million fans in the whole world :DDDD
Ничего страшного, что упал, в фк такие ошибки часто происходили, тем более, что потом Женя ОИ выиграл. Надо уже забыть эту относительную неприятность проигрыша и наладить отношения с Лешей. Женя тогда ведь не вылетел за пределы тройки, а серебряным призером стал, что тоже неплохо. Многие талантливые фигуристы из-за травм и серебра ОИ не выигрывали за всю свою карьеру.
I care not for Plushenko anytime (even though he is a jumping machine) because he does not feel the music his coreography sucks, and his arms just flail about with sharp edges wildly...That's why I have a problem with him. Alexei always skates with heart, feels the music, and his footwork is always superior to Plushenko. We all have our favorites but I will never forget the beauty of Yaugudin's sp and lp in Salt Lake ....history made. 1st man to win 4- 6.0's in the modern era of figure skating...Tatiana is just brilliant
And for those who want to see Plushy and Yagudin skate perfectly to know what judges will do - watch Worlds 2001 - both of them were perfect, but Plushenko won. That sums everything up.
Yagudin was not perfect during the 2001 World Championships. In fact, Aleksei was injured during those championships; yet, he decided to compete anyway!!
ShaefDawg Yagudin wasn't injured. He lied that, because he lost to Plushenko everywhere. He needed sport psychologist because of Plushy. ;) Yagudin was/ is envy of Plushenko's results, popularity, fame...
lala630312 Yagudin was injured. It's fact! I like Plushenko more, but the truth must be the truth. Nevertheless, Plushenko was best that season in any way -)).
Людмила Самсаева really? I just don't like Yagudin's fans diminish Plushenko all the time. We Plushenko fans admired Yagudin to Sochi. Despit the fact we knew Yagudin lied when he said to the western media he lost on Rus Nats, because Plushenko was the favorite of Rus Fed. But we know ( there are videos onYT) Plushy clearly won '99, '00 and '01. Maybe in the '98 Rus Nat was a little bit doubtful because they both showed same level performances. Yagudin lived in US and the North-Am media made a communist evil from Plushy and a little bit rude and unjust coach from Mishin. And what Yagudin did after Sochi that is really disgusting!!!!!!!!!!! He attacked Plushy so hard everywhere! Not to mention his tweets after Vovan's joke..He knew what is the truth but he wrote that hysterical tweets.SHAME!!!! He lied about Plushy and Yana he wanted to harm them in that difficult time. So he is a weak man in many FS fans eyes. Plus he wanted to move to US he is not rooting for the Russians in 2002, and look at now his Twitter full of political messages, which attacked the US policy ...
lala630312 In 2001 Yag's injure war real. But he and his coach made such a theatre of it, that newspapers wrote more about his sufferings than about Plushy's victory. It's true that RusSkateFed preferred Plushenko, because Yagudin went to USA. That's why Yag's fans are so angry, - there dear Yagudin was never loved by RusSkateFed. Yag became Oly champion without any support of RusSkateFed. But he had psychologist and support in USA. I do not know exactly, what kind of person Yagudin is, but intuitively I do not like him. I do not like men, who often cry. And I don't like his skating. I see that it' very good, but I haven't passion for it, don't feel it. Unfortunately after Sochi not only Yagudin "poured dirt" on Plushenko. It's so easy to kick a wounded lion! I'm ashamed of Russians who did it.
Ягудин ушел из спорта в ведущие, вы о чем? Как раз таки начиная с юниорского ЧМ в Австралии ,лидировал Ягудин, но потом разница сокращалась, Плющенко быстро его нагнал и перегнал.А в Олимпийских играх все признают,что катание Плющенко было в 2001 сложнее технически, но ставили оценки тому, кто откатал чище. Плющенко вообще никогда не боролся ни с кем,у него на том же Чемпионате России куча медалей, его любит народ. Наверное, потому что прославлял и дальше нашу страну и в 2010 и в 2014, это ценно в такое ужасное время.По артистизму Плющенко уникальный.Я бы не стала разницу между ними проводить.
Isn’t it unfair that he only gets one deduction for falling but not for leaving out the combo? It should be .7 off the base mark not just .4. He shouldn’t have even been in contention for the top two spots after this short
The rules back then identify that a fall on the first jump of a jump combination (and the 2nd jump is omitted) is deemed only a fall. You don't deduct it as both a fall and omission. It's one or the other. Omissions re jump combinations are when the element is not even attempted, or if the jumps don't meet the requirement, which is one jump being at least a triple.
@@3Axel1996 The base mark for the program should be lowered when the combination isn't there, and clearly was for every skater who made mistakes like this and wasn't a big name. The top ranked skaters just got held up most of the time.
@BestFiction00 Yes, but not at his peak. Ever since his boot/skate problems and having withdrawn from the 2005 season, he never regained the ability he had when he peaked in 2002 and 2003...
Равных ему, конечно, нет, а вот лучше был - Алексей Ягудин. Максим Траньков на Олимпиаде в Сочи после проката тоже поплакал. Напряжение на таких соревнованиях колоссальное (что понятно и козе), особенно, когда человек столько лет идёт к титулу. И все они настоящие мужчины и прекрасные спортсмены ❤ Слабые волей люди до таких вершин не доходят
@@Светлана-э7е2г мне нравились всегда оба этих фигуриста, и тогда в 2002, когда мне было 12, я болела за них обоих, но за Ягудина чуточку больше😁 (он казался мне более душевным), но Евгений - великий фигурист, ведь не каждый поедет на Олимпиаду в 31 да с такими травмами.
А мне всегда нравился Плющенко! И нравится до сих пор! С точки зрения тренера ( но тренера - худ. Гимнастики),Плющенко сильнее во всем Ягудина. Всегда за него болела. Да и сейчас, Женя, довольно востребован, в хорошей физической силе! Всегда - браво!
If only American commentators could SHUT UP during the program and only comment at the end of the skate. Scott Hamilton and his partner are so disrespectful in this regard
They're called commentators because they're SUPPOSED to comment on the programs in real time, not before or after. It's like play-by-play in any other sport. If you don't like the commentary, mute the video, but don't complain about it when you know there is going to be commentary ahead of time and you know how Scott Hamilton delivers his commentary (which I happen to love and find very informative). I wish I had a dollar for every person who makes this absurd complaint.
Great skater whose programs are marred by trashy choreography and poorly conceived music editing. There's no denying his talent and athletic ability but his taste disqualifies him.
You are so boring. I read your many comments. I don't understand why do you watch Plushenko, if you are a hater of him? If you don't like him shut up, and go to your favorites videos and die of boredom.!!!! He is the bets of the best, he is a FS genius. Ps.: You aren't overrated piano player because you are nobody in your job. /watch?v=SEJXkfMYTX4 this is perfection.
He could do things that yagudin couldn't and he attacked his routine with more speed and flamboyance. He could spin faster and was clearly more agile and fluid than yagudin as well. Yagudin has his strong points as well, but you have to acknowledge ability even if you don't like the skater personally.
Heisenberg ㄕㄕ Faut pas rêver petit.... YAGUDIN c'est l' exceptionnel dans l'excellence.... sur le plan émotionnel, technique, artistique, il est inégalable....Plush est excellent mais un ton en -dessous, il manque de grâce, de magie, il est lourd...et on ne vibre pas.... désolée l'or était , on peut plus mérité, par A YAGUDIN
Именно поэтому по сей день олимпийские программы Ягудина, считаются ЭТАЛОНОМ мужского фигурного катания. По мне ,так они оба генальные фигуристы,поднявшие мужское фигурное катание на высочайший уровень. А главное что эти парни настоящие герои нашей страны.
@@НатальяЗеленская-п3л деи́ствителтно они оба прекрасные фигуристы. На мои́ взгляд Плющенко больше старался играть на публику. Что конечно хорошо приветствовалось. А Ягудин мог на льду лучше раскрыть тему музыки. Он как-то жил на льду презентируя тему. Его зима, и цирк по-моему высочайшее исполнение. Их обоих ставлю на первое место. Из-за шоу на льду публика любила Плющенко больше.
![[HD] Evgeni Plushenko - "Once Upon a Time in America" 2000/2001 GPF - Final Round FS プルシェンコ](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vCCZ2xRgvVo/mqdefault.jpg)
Но боже мой, как он катал, танцевал после падения, как в последний раз!.. А в конце ещё и улыбался, понимая, что, возможно, проигрывает эту Олимпиаду...
Well, many or most would agree...there's only one "Plushenko"!! Seriously! If you've seen all his performances over the years...I think you'd agree! Smile...
Женя гений!! Немного не повезло. ❤❤❤❤❤
I would have loved to see both him and Yagudin skate perfectly and back-to-back, to see what the judges would do. It would have been really hard to separate them. I feel that Yagudin's program was more put together and his spins were a little more solid. It really would have been a call between Yagudin's more refined style and Plushy's bombastic showmanship.
He is not overrated. He's supertalent. Many people love him, and there are many who hate him. It's normal attitude towards to genius.
I totally agree!
disagree. his skating and his style are kind of garbage. later in his career, he became slightly more stylistically interesting, but he relied heavily on gimmicks and flashy costuming particularly here. his music edits aren't even very good.
No matter what you think. He has millions of fans in the whole world. He is the most famous, most well-known figure skater. But that is interesting Plushenko was the favorite of some really great ballet dancers including May Plisetskaya, Nikolai Tsiskaridze and Roberto Bolle also praised him..
Plushenko is is brillant and a powerhouse like no other. People leaving negative comments just came here to throw hate around. People get so jealous of talent, I guess. Ignore the dorks that are leaving bad comments. Plushenko is the BEST!
I love Plushenko and his amazing talent! I wish I spoke Russian so I could watch some of the Russian documentaries on him that do not have English subtitles. We love Plushenko in U.S.! All our love!
"Winter" of Yagudin was superior!!! 💪🏻
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Far superior
А мне очень нравится эта программа!!! Очень сложная!!! Моя любимая , жаль 😢
Why?He is the most decorated champion,he absolutely knows who is he.He is a legend! He worked hard for his results in his entire life,he was faithful to Mishin and his home country. He is the most popular skater in Eu and Russia too, many Japanese FS fans go crazy for him.He became a rich and successful man because of his talent. His life is the FS! But he said something what is didn't like the Americans or Americans media? But he thought he was right! He is a true man! And the greatest athlete!
Конечно против Зимы (шедевра) эта программа ни о чем. Музыкальные переходы слишком резкие
Карандаш в стакане.
Зима это произвольная программа, а у Плю короткая, как можно сравнивать
@@dr.mcmillan_an9276 зима это короткая программа. Произвольная у Ягудина называется «человек в железной маске»
@@dr.mcmillan_an9276вы чего?) зима - это короткая программа)
@@dr.mcmillan_an9276"Зима" тоже короткая программа.
Упал к сожалению.да,так бывает.все равно мы Женю обожаем.и публика его любит.за то,что он так щедро всегда дарил нам свое искусство.
Guy can skate and spin like a lyth mongoose. Anyone who denies that is in denial. Doesn't matter if you don't like his style or personality. The guy can skate. Period.
The guy can jump and the guy can spin. There's a lot more to skating than that.
no way 5.9 for artistic marks!!!!!!
I don't really care if he fell, that was one of the most amazing performances I've ever seen.
Ой как я с вами согласна!!!
Even if he did jump correct, he had no chance of beating Yagudin in this short program. Yagudin did equal job with the jumps (supposing that Plushenko succeded in the first), and definitely had a better footwork. The music for this was lousy. I'm ma fan of MJ I haven't heard a worse compilation. He suited the music for his dance not the vica-versa. All in all Yagudin was simply better.
He did not only had that chance, he would surely have done it but for the missed quad. And everyone knows it: Yagudin won only because Plushenko fell down. Full stop. That is why Alexey cried when he saw his points after the FS. Even after the fall he was not sure Plushenko wouldn't win.
I'm speaking about the short program. Not the long program. Yagudin's performance was superior, in every single way. Given that Plushenko didn't miss the quad, both would have completed techniques of equal difficulty (the jumps), Plushenko jumps higher so he'd score on that one. But Yagudin's overall performance and the, I don't know the term in english (runway?) it's "дорожка" in Russian was way better and harder. So no. Plushenko is an amazing skater but in 2002 Yagudin owned him period. And in 2014 that Japanese skater owned him period.
And I'm speaking about both of the programs and the gold medal of the Olympics.
Even so. In the long program Yagudin skated _after_ Plushenko who had once again failed at 4-3-2 combination. After Yagudin succeeded in the same combination he decided he would not risk it and changed his program did not perform two quads making it an easy win for him. Naturally afterwards he was afraid because two quads is huge. Then again given that Plushenko succeeded at 4-3-2 Yagudin would have gave his all to the performance and since I give it to Plushenko the 4-3-2 giving the missed two quads to Yagudin would again make it impossible for Plushenko to win.
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I recommend you to rewatch Plushenko's LP. He did 4-3-3. The landing was not so clean, and nevertheless the program was WAY more difficult than that of Yagudin's (3 axel half loop 3 flip, etc). To say nothing of choreo which Yagudin never had, he always worked with his face only, not with the body. Btw the famous sequence of steps in his SP is very easy to do, it's impressive only for the audience, not for professionals.
А для меня лучший был,есть и будет АЛЕКСЕЙ ЯГУДИН!!!!!!!!!!
Да, Плющенко настолько переигрывает. Движения такие наиграные, иногда даже нескладные. А у Лёши всё гармонично, всё так, как надо.
Разве только Ягудин? Еще и ТАТ лучше Жени! Да! Бессомненно! Даже вы лучше Жени! Никто и усомниться не посмеет ! Что же вы так скромничаете?
Неправда они оба гениальны! Особенно Евгений в 2006 году ...шедевр!
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Ягудин это ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Лучше Евгения Плющенко нет и не будет фигуриста!!! Он неповторим!!!! У Ягудина программы соостоят из набора элементов и пересматривать их не хочется.А катание Жени хочется смотреть и смотреть.Его катание вызывает столько эмоций!!!!! Он на легок, грациозен, музыкален и артистичен!!! А сколько вдохновения в его катании!!! Какая энергетика!!!! Восхищаюсь и очень люблю этого трудолюбивого ,преданного своему любимому делу Женечку!!! Его обожает весь мир!!! Здоровья тебе, Женечка, , счастья и удачи!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤
Ягудина пересматривают очень многие до сих пор! Он Великолепен!
Только что пересмотрела Ягудина несколько раз 😂 это шедевр! Плющенко, конечно, тоже хорош, тут и сомнений быть не может
Это ваше сугубо субъективное мнение! Ягудин в наших сердцах!
Да, полностью согласна
Veo esta coreografía una y otra vez a pesar de la caída, no me transmite nada.pareciera que eligió la música para conquistar al público y ni eso. El carácter, personalidad, forma particular de patinaje de yagudin le da mil vueltas .
Прекрасно ,упал даже красиво !
the choreography is so cringeworthy, fortunately Yagudin won
Agree. Those hip thrusts are just icky.
Красавчик! Просто чудо!!!
I understand what you are saying, and I agree he should be very proud, and he is def. a legend!! I love his skating for sure. As a figure skating fan for over 20 years, I just found his lack of sportsmanship appalling during the 2010 Olympics. And trust me, I'm no Evan fan, and know that Plushenko is a MUCH better skater overall. He screwed up when he whined about his defeat and insulted the winner. Legends should also have class. It's just not cool, and nationality has nothing to do with it.
Pluchenko skates faster, spins faster and jumps higher. He also is more flamboyant. Yagudin is more graceful and puts more feeling into his performance.
Женя явно классом выше всех. Его хореография и техника космические))
Елена. Его техники сейчас достигли многие, артистизма Ягудина не достиг никто.
Техника у Ягудина выше
@@Валерия-ф3щ1ч 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@Валерия-ф3щ1ч😂😂😂😂😂
I like the program cause for once it forces Plushenko to actually feel the music, but what I don't care for is how the music was edited, whoever did the editing needs to be shot cause it was really poorly done. I've never cared for him, but this program is one of the few I actually liked.
***** It felt disjointed to me, the music had no real flow really. Granted Evgeni was never really known for his artistry, but the editing of the music didn't help him.
wow seriously that was gawd awful
Megan Woodard what are you talking about???? Plushenko was the youngest male skater ever who received perfect 6.0s score. He was only 16. y.o. In his career he received 75 6.0s most of them was artistry points. He received them in international competition. Check it please before you write incorrect things.
Just because he had the accolades that doesn't mean that I half to like him, and I only commented on how I didn't care for the way his music was edited not this program or how he skated it.
@@ZoltanneVarga-jn9oy He has serious score inflation. he was good, and for a while the best, however still received inflation. I still 100% support the fact he was better than Evan Lysenko tho.
Отточенное мастерство, идеальное катание, но нет души! Нет той харизмы, как у Алексея Ягудина , нет чувственности.
Yagudin is a million time better than Plushenko. It’s not even close.
I like plushenko but I agree 1000% with you. Yagudin was my favourite up till Hanyu came along (S.Lambiel was my second favourite). Plushenko's main strength was consistency and his career span - unfortunately Yagudin only had a 6 year career.
Тоже согласна 1000%)
It's apples and oranges. They are equally but different. Yahudin doesn't do the bellman spin and was doing the quad first yagudin is awesome too.
Plus hence was doing the quad first.
Pluschenko is much better. He is a self made man (самородок). That's why Mishin has chosen him.
ridiculous music cuts, but plushenko certainly has it. he draws people.
I agree about the program and music cuts; for me it's never been a favorite program. But Plush was skating to demonstrate the elements and with the exception of the fall on the quad, he bright that home. I love the footwork sequences in this one.
What's happened? The new system worked, but many skater, Fs expert, coach criticized. Plushenko come back, not won, although he was the best. He criticized the system, many experts, skaters supported him, was the big scandal. Many Fs fans wrote directly to the ISU, because of Plu, and the quad. The ISU changed the rules! Plu won the argument, and the male FS also won!!! In this season already were more quads! Plushenko is the most important, and popular skater of Fs history.
I'd disagree. Dick Button for me is most important figure skater. First person to do double axel and first person to do triple, he left a greater mark on figure skating.
Плющенко великий фигурист,он творит на льду. И он лучший,таких нет уже давно. СПАСИБО его Маме и трене6и ему самому за труд и воле к победам.
Размахивает руками как мельница! Не артистичен! Ни одного цветочка не бросили зрители! Не понравился!
Можете всё что угодно писать,мне все равно для меня лучшего фигуриста,пока нет. И руками нужно уметь махать. Говорю вам,,с профессиональной точки.
@@svetlanaplugaru2495 Хреновый вы профессионал!
@@ЛюдмилаБеляева-е2в💩
And Plushy's fall would have been much more costly under this system than it was in 2002. He was 1/2 a rotation short on that quad, so it would have been downgraded to a triple and he would have lost a lot of execution points. Plus his spins were weaker then than they are now. It would have been much more difficult to make up that deficit in the long under the new system, I suspect.
He wasn't 1/2 rotation short, it would have just been a < call. He also would have added a Triple Toe to the end of the Lutz in the modern way of doing things, he already should have back then, but it wasn't the custom to change things up like that in the SP. Alexander Abt had an underrotated Lutz and a worse Axel and PCS, so very possibly Plushenko would still be placed 4th in the SP.
creo que todo paso como tenia que pasar si plushenko le hubiese ganado a yagudin creo que se hubiese estancado en cambio esa plata le ayudo a trabajar mas su estilo y laurearse en oro tal como paso en 2006
he is amazing
Agreed. Just fascinating to watch and he supercharges the energy in the atmosphere when he skates.
Жалко, что упал .
It's a shame he feels he has to be so unlikeable. I don't care how talented you are, if you have a shit attitude, you don't mean anything to me.
sigh..I became nervous when I read your comment.. How Plushenko will live without your respect? ;) But after I calmed down.. he will think to his million fans in the whole world :DDDD
y is he unlikeable?
No.
lala630312 It's funny that you think I care. 😂
Oh, I understand your comment now... you don't care of Plushenko. This is the reason why you write ignorant comment about him.
Ничего страшного, что упал, в фк такие ошибки часто происходили, тем более, что потом Женя ОИ выиграл. Надо уже забыть эту относительную неприятность проигрыша и наладить отношения с Лешей. Женя тогда ведь не вылетел за пределы тройки, а серебряным призером стал, что тоже неплохо. Многие талантливые фигуристы из-за травм и серебра ОИ не выигрывали за всю свою карьеру.
I care not for Plushenko anytime (even though he is a jumping machine) because he does not feel the music his coreography sucks, and his arms just flail about with sharp edges wildly...That's why I have a problem with him. Alexei always skates with heart, feels the music, and his footwork is always superior to Plushenko. We all have our favorites but I will never forget the beauty of Yaugudin's sp and lp in Salt Lake ....history made. 1st man to win 4- 6.0's in the modern era of figure skating...Tatiana is just brilliant
And for those who want to see Plushy and Yagudin skate perfectly to know what judges will do - watch Worlds 2001 - both of them were perfect, but Plushenko won. That sums everything up.
Yagudin was not perfect during the 2001 World Championships. In fact, Aleksei was injured during those championships; yet, he decided to compete anyway!!
ShaefDawg
Yagudin wasn't injured. He lied that, because he lost to Plushenko everywhere. He needed sport psychologist because of Plushy. ;) Yagudin was/ is envy of Plushenko's results, popularity, fame...
lala630312 Yagudin was injured. It's fact! I like Plushenko more, but the truth must be the truth. Nevertheless, Plushenko was best that season in any way -)).
Людмила Самсаева
really? I just don't like Yagudin's fans diminish Plushenko all the time. We Plushenko fans admired Yagudin to Sochi. Despit the fact we knew Yagudin lied when he said to the western media he lost on Rus Nats, because Plushenko was the favorite of Rus Fed. But we know ( there are videos onYT) Plushy clearly won '99, '00 and '01. Maybe in the '98 Rus Nat was a little bit doubtful because they both showed same level performances. Yagudin lived in US and the North-Am media made a communist evil from Plushy and a little bit rude and unjust coach from Mishin. And what Yagudin did after Sochi that is really disgusting!!!!!!!!!!! He attacked Plushy so hard everywhere! Not to mention his tweets after Vovan's joke..He knew what is the truth but he wrote that hysterical tweets.SHAME!!!! He lied about Plushy and Yana he wanted to harm them in that difficult time. So he is a weak man in many FS fans eyes. Plus he wanted to move to US he is not rooting for the Russians in 2002, and look at now his Twitter full of political messages, which attacked the US policy ...
lala630312 In 2001 Yag's injure war real. But he and his coach made such a theatre of it, that newspapers wrote more about his sufferings than about Plushy's victory.
It's true that RusSkateFed preferred Plushenko, because Yagudin went to USA. That's why Yag's fans are so angry, - there dear Yagudin was never loved by RusSkateFed. Yag became Oly champion without any support of RusSkateFed. But he had psychologist and support in USA.
I do not know exactly, what kind of person Yagudin is, but intuitively I do not like him. I do not like men, who often cry. And I don't like his skating. I see that it' very good, but I haven't passion for it, don't feel it.
Unfortunately after Sochi not only Yagudin "poured dirt" on Plushenko. It's so easy to kick a wounded lion! I'm ashamed of Russians who did it.
Женя! Красавчик!!!
Куда до Ягудина ,тогда и сейчас 2020 .
Спасибо Вам! Лёша был и есть ЛУЧШИЙ в Мире!
Ягудин ушел из спорта в ведущие, вы о чем? Как раз таки начиная с юниорского ЧМ в Австралии ,лидировал Ягудин, но потом разница сокращалась, Плющенко быстро его нагнал и перегнал.А в Олимпийских играх все признают,что катание Плющенко было в 2001 сложнее технически, но ставили оценки тому, кто откатал чище. Плющенко вообще никогда не боролся ни с кем,у него на том же Чемпионате России куча медалей, его любит народ. Наверное, потому что прославлял и дальше нашу страну и в 2010 и в 2014, это ценно в такое ужасное время.По артистизму Плющенко уникальный.Я бы не стала разницу между ними проводить.
Isn’t it unfair that he only gets one deduction for falling but not for leaving out the combo? It should be .7 off the base mark not just .4. He shouldn’t have even been in contention for the top two spots after this short
Actually, an omission was only 0.5 deduction, just slightly more than a 0.4 deduction that's given for a fall.
but then shouldn't he have gotten .9 off? Why should only one of the deductions be given?
The rules back then identify that a fall on the first jump of a jump combination (and the 2nd jump is omitted) is deemed only a fall. You don't deduct it as both a fall and omission. It's one or the other. Omissions re jump combinations are when the element is not even attempted, or if the jumps don't meet the requirement, which is one jump being at least a triple.
@@3Axel1996 The base mark for the program should be lowered when the combination isn't there, and clearly was for every skater who made mistakes like this and wasn't a big name. The top ranked skaters just got held up most of the time.
I adore him! Always, forever!
Wow. So there IS somebody who is worse at cutting music than Daniil Gleichengauz.
@BestFiction00 Yes, but not at his peak. Ever since his boot/skate problems and having withdrawn from the 2005 season, he never regained the ability he had when he peaked in 2002 and 2003...
Плющенко нет равных. Вот характер! Плакать, как девчонка, даже за золото не будет. Молодец! ✊
Ягудин был лучше
@@Марат-у9ф5ц особенно, когда начал плакать😊
Равных ему, конечно, нет, а вот лучше был - Алексей Ягудин. Максим Траньков на Олимпиаде в Сочи после проката тоже поплакал. Напряжение на таких соревнованиях колоссальное (что понятно и козе), особенно, когда человек столько лет идёт к титулу. И все они настоящие мужчины и прекрасные спортсмены ❤ Слабые волей люди до таких вершин не доходят
@@Ellents-i9o спасибо за комментарий. ❤ Нам с Вами не о чем спорить. Вы за Ягудина, я за Плющенко. ✊
@@Светлана-э7е2г мне нравились всегда оба этих фигуриста, и тогда в 2002, когда мне было 12, я болела за них обоих, но за Ягудина чуточку больше😁 (он казался мне более душевным), но Евгений - великий фигурист, ведь не каждый поедет на Олимпиаду в 31 да с такими травмами.
А мне всегда нравился Плющенко! И нравится до сих пор! С точки зрения тренера ( но тренера - худ. Гимнастики),Плющенко сильнее во всем Ягудина. Всегда за него болела. Да и сейчас, Женя, довольно востребован, в хорошей физической силе! Всегда - браво!
Şimdiye kadar gördüğüm en muhteşem patenci.Yagudinde sadece teknik var ruh yok!!!
His ego is a part of his charisma!
Для меня как для болельщика самое главное всегда было и есть чтобы победил русский
Они оба офигенны ! Чистокровные русаки!!!!
Классный!!! Но Ягудин был сильней !!!
@@ДианаЧомаева-э6яДа, без колдуна тут не обошлось. Яга никогда бы не выиграл у Жени, и Тарасова пошла нечестным путем..
Он лучший!! Жаль, что упал.
Красивая программа,жаль,что упал.
Молодец! Но Ягудин лучше!
Yagudin's Winter makes this look like trash.
for you..
He has always been so cheesy. Doing stupid hip thrusts to detract that the only things he can do are jump and spin. No artistry.
@@totesgene he reminds me of Blades of Glory xD
колдуна нанимать Тарасовой явно не следовало
Ахахаха
If only American commentators could SHUT UP during the program and only comment at the end of the skate. Scott Hamilton and his partner are so disrespectful in this regard
They're called commentators because they're SUPPOSED to comment on the programs in real time, not before or after. It's like play-by-play in any other sport. If you don't like the commentary, mute the video, but don't complain about it when you know there is going to be commentary ahead of time and you know how Scott Hamilton delivers his commentary (which I happen to love and find very informative). I wish I had a dollar for every person who makes this absurd complaint.
Great skater whose programs are marred by trashy choreography and poorly conceived music editing. There's no denying his talent and athletic ability but his taste disqualifies him.
I agree with you. Even after 20 years of his competitive career and 4 Olympic medals I still feel like his talent was wasted
my endless love
Why dud he nott he turn the lutz into a combo ..
Stunningly astonishingly brilliant
Plushenko is obviously one of the greatest male skaters of all time; the only thing I wish he had was a smaller ego.
Might ..are you kidding scott
The King of Ice
ЕВГЕНИЙ ТЕХНИЧЕН БЫЛ НЕВЕРОЧТНО Я любитель ФК .Помню Зима(яЯгудин)Калинкаяя(роднина)
Это нечестная победа Ягудина с помощью колдуна, в честном бою он никогда бы не выиграл у Плющенко.
Плющенко-лучший!!❤
Смешно:)
Гений!!!👍💋❤️
the quad was cheated and he fell.... should have placed lower than 4th in my opinion
Given how the others were judged, there is no way he should have anywhere near medal contention.
Plushenko is the best anyway!
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The. Most. Overrated. Skater. Of. All. Time.
You are so boring. I read your many comments. I don't understand why do you watch Plushenko, if you are a hater of him? If you don't like him shut up, and go to your favorites videos and die of boredom.!!!! He is the bets of the best, he is a FS genius.
Ps.: You aren't overrated piano player because you are nobody in your job.
/watch?v=SEJXkfMYTX4 this is perfection.
I agree. Jump to jump with nothing else.
He could do things that yagudin couldn't and he attacked his routine with more speed and flamboyance. He could spin faster and was clearly more agile and fluid than yagudin as well. Yagudin has his strong points as well, but you have to acknowledge ability even if you don't like the skater personally.
Gene Elliot: Then leave and don't watch.
Quit. Using. Periods. and. Trying. To. Be. Trendy. Then. Leave.
What a clownish programme. Yagudin's Winter was so far superior artistically, it's not even funny.
Ah si tetait pas tomber l or etait pour toi et les fans de yagudin aurait eu dans la gueule
Heisenberg ㄕㄕ Faut pas rêver petit.... YAGUDIN c'est l' exceptionnel dans l'excellence.... sur le plan émotionnel, technique, artistique, il est inégalable....Plush est excellent mais un ton en -dessous, il manque de grâce, de magie, il est lourd...et on ne vibre pas.... désolée l'or était , on peut plus mérité, par A YAGUDIN
Ягудин мешок мешком.
Именно поэтому по сей день олимпийские программы Ягудина, считаются ЭТАЛОНОМ мужского фигурного катания. По мне ,так они оба генальные фигуристы,поднявшие мужское фигурное катание на высочайший уровень. А главное что эти парни настоящие герои нашей страны.
@@НатальяЗеленская-п3л деи́ствителтно они оба прекрасные фигуристы. На мои́ взгляд Плющенко больше старался играть на публику. Что конечно хорошо приветствовалось. А Ягудин мог на льду лучше раскрыть тему музыки. Он как-то жил на льду презентируя тему. Его зима, и цирк по-моему высочайшее исполнение. Их обоих ставлю на первое место. Из-за шоу на льду публика любила Плющенко больше.
@@НатальяЗеленская-п3л Где эти эталоны вы увидели? Во всем мире знают именно Плющенко и многие фигуристы о нем отзываются, куча видео есть
Уоодн
My endless love