It's interesting -- this is actually how you learn a trill on any instrument. Start with whole notes, cut them in half successively, and do it over and over again for a few minutes every day.
This is how I was taught how to trill when I was 8. Now thanks to all my fantastically amazing teachers, I’ve managed to get into a wonderful arts school!!
Interestingly I would always teach it from the top note down and it is like an elastic band that is taut and then relaxes. I love her 'controlling the loss of control idea' -Joyce is absolutely right, you have to stat slow and then speed up but there is a moment where you have to let go - but keep thinking of the upper note always and it is probably the only singing that you actually feel in the throat!
Interesting remark about Marilyn Horne. However, Horne herself said in a video interview that she took two alternating notes at slow speed, and eventually speeded them up. The same exercise Joyce demonstrated here.
rayangreene I doubt that Horne was being mean-spirited....sometimes divas revise their own stories! Here’s the interview at 11:00, Horne, Pavarotti, and Sutherland discuss trills. th-cam.com/video/KxqwVHw2oYM/w-d-xo.html
@@wotan10950Thanks for the link :). I didn't say Ms Horne was being mean-spirited, but the circumstances of her "revision" sound a bit odd : when another talented younger professional states that she needs to work on her trills, she responds that she never had to practise as they "come naturally". As if she was trying to score some points or present herself as "more talented".
@@rayangreene Having personal experience with Ms. Horne....no...she's not pretentious or bitter. She loves working with young singers. In fact, I wouldn't be a singer if it wasn't for her. Joyce sang at Ms. Horne's 75 birthday recital.....I was there.
Why do I think it's similar to what I did as a child (to mimick a vibrato) that started with a goat-like sound. I don't know if what i'm doing is the same (it's actually quite rapid)
+Ani Vardanyan I feel it more on my soft palate as well. Don't worry! I also don't always feel resonance very much in my sinuses (unless I'm sick). Various sensations feel different for everyone because no one body or voice is exactly the same.
I have a baritone voice and I’m teaching myself to trill in head voice AND chest. If I can make my big voice move, you can definitely make your smaller, more flexible, female voice move!!!
@@Michael-hz2pl have you had much success with your trill? Fellow baritone here, still haven't been able to master it yet though not for lack of trying! 😅
I thought (with García or Vaccaj) that the trill was something the singer just has or not; that it couldn't be taught. Well, at the end of the day, it is not such an important thing. In fact, there has always been prima donnas (the great Giulia Grisi in the XIXth century or the big Montserrat Caballé in the XXth, among others) that didn't have one and they led splendid careers, nonetheless.
Well, about the relevance of having a trill, I'd say it depends on the repertoire. I've always thought it was a shame for some baroque singers not to have one. I know for a fact that you can work on your trill as Joyce says. I agree with you though : a good trill or the lack thereof doesn't make a career, but it can allow such beautiful ornamentations, which definitely enhance a performance.
I do miss the trill in many of Caballé's interpretations (depending on the role, I miss it a lot), so I'd say it's not that the trill is not relevant, but that Caballé was so amazing in other aspects that people forgave her lack of a trill.
+robert111k Yes in other repertoires as rayanreene says it isn't needed. But in Baroque its would be a shame not to have it. Baroque music is distinctive in that the instrument it uses, the rapid uses of it and the ability of the vocalist. To ignore trills is to ignore the baroque style, as not only the vocalist has trills but is also in the instrument sections as well. Bottomline is that taking trills away from baroque is not doing it in the spirit of how baroque music is.
+robert111k Oh no. I didn't start off with a trill, and using Ms. DiDonato's exercise I had a trill in 5 weeks. Now I'm just working at sustaining it. So no, it isn't just a "you have it or you don't" - it can be learned.
I don't get it... If I slow down the video she goes back and forth between two pitch, but when she actually trills the notes are different. Pls someone tell me, if I go back and forth between a c and an d (1 full tone apart), am I supposed to trill between those two notes, or do a one semitone trill? This is so confusing to me... :')
I feel like I am doing it but I can't really tell... I guess if I say how it actually feels when I do it, you all might understand. It feels like a pulsating laugh, except faster than usual. Yeah can someone tell me what it's supposed to feel like. Ty Lol.
I'm very late to this and you certainly have a trill now but for anybodu wondering it does feel a little bit like a pulsating laugh. Making a pulsating laugh is what helped me doing trills instead of accelerating an interval like shown in this video. But it should not be completely like a pulsating laugh, it rather feels like the voice sort of cracks but not really. It is hard to explain well
Mariah Carey can access a rare register called whistle tone, which basically involves shaping the vocal folds into a tube and blowing air through them. This exercise has nothing to do with increasing one’s range.
You must correct me if I am wrong. 1. The vocal range of the candidate is defined by all the pitches where both, escaping air and no escaping air are available. 2. If the higher note is yearned at to be a falsetto, the trill mechanism is actuated?
@@emailvonsour quite a bit, actually. I have preferences for things they did then, and preferences for things they do now. I think sound expectations have shifted from the golden age, but decrying all modern singing as inherently inferior isn’t doing anything good for the art form. I know a handful of singers that do sound much more like those singers in the first half of the 20th century, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say that they’re just right out “better” than others.
"It's the controlled loss of control." 🤣
2:25 that girl's laugh was a trill on its own XD
Hahahahha
im suprised the host didnt mention that he laugh isnt a trill the whole time
I regret not Googling "how to do a trill" before today. Can't wait to put this exercise to work and get that new skill!
How's the progress ?
It's interesting -- this is actually how you learn a trill on any instrument. Start with whole notes, cut them in half successively, and do it over and over again for a few minutes every day.
It's just easier for us on instruments, since we can push buttons and have the notes come out. As a singer you actually have to be "good", lol
+Janis Cortese or if you"re an oboist, you switch to the trill key...
X Acolyte 😭 dang
This is a wonderful tutorial for any musician. Brava. What a wonderful singer and person!
This is how I was taught how to trill when I was 8. Now thanks to all my fantastically amazing teachers, I’ve managed to get into a wonderful arts school!!
Wow her voice 😍
I think that's the best explanation for how and where a trill comes from. Thank you
Interestingly I would always teach it from the top note down and it is like an elastic band that is taut and then relaxes. I love her 'controlling the loss of control idea' -Joyce is absolutely right, you have to stat slow and then speed up but there is a moment where you have to let go - but keep thinking of the upper note always and it is probably the only singing that you actually feel in the throat!
janet shell also try trilling 4ths and 5ths. Then the small intervals seem easier. I tell people to trill WIDE....
I’ve also found you have to be willing make some really ugly, strange sounds before you get it under control! :-)
Or you can be lucky and just find it as Sutherland did.
nobody asked you
Interesting remark about Marilyn Horne. However, Horne herself said in a video interview that she took two alternating notes at slow speed, and eventually speeded them up. The same exercise Joyce demonstrated here.
I heard about this interview.
Was Ms Horne being a bit pretentious (and bitter) with the successful younger singer?
rayangreene I doubt that Horne was being mean-spirited....sometimes divas revise their own stories! Here’s the interview at 11:00, Horne, Pavarotti, and Sutherland discuss trills.
th-cam.com/video/KxqwVHw2oYM/w-d-xo.html
@@wotan10950Thanks for the link :).
I didn't say Ms Horne was being mean-spirited, but the circumstances of her "revision" sound a bit odd : when another talented younger professional states that she needs to work on her trills, she responds that she never had to practise as they "come naturally".
As if she was trying to score some points or present herself as "more talented".
@@rayangreene Having personal experience with Ms. Horne....no...she's not pretentious or bitter. She loves working with young singers. In fact, I wouldn't be a singer if it wasn't for her. Joyce sang at Ms. Horne's 75 birthday recital.....I was there.
This is so helpful! Love Joyce! Thank you! :)
Joice didonato is a genius and i love her 😄🙏🏻🔥
She has such a soft voice. I want to sound like that.
Very interesting masterclass
She' so nice
Why do I think it's similar to what I did as a child (to mimick a vibrato) that started with a goat-like sound. I don't know if what i'm doing is the same (it's actually quite rapid)
Ah Cinderella!!!!!
I can kind of trill naturally, but I don't feel it in my throat, I feel it more on my soft palate, but I'm not sure. :/ It's hard to explain.
+Ani Vardanyan I feel it more on my soft palate as well. Don't worry! I also don't always feel resonance very much in my sinuses (unless I'm sick). Various sensations feel different for everyone because no one body or voice is exactly the same.
No pressure dear. Just a crowd n a camera crew attentively watching ur every move.
BRAVISSIMA!!!
that sound has always fascinated me, and I finally learned what it's called. No way in heck can I do it, I leave it to the pros!
YEA YOU CAN!!! GO AND TRAIN IT AND WHEN YOU LEARN IT COME BACK AND DO IT!! DO IT!!!
I have a baritone voice and I’m teaching myself to trill in head voice AND chest.
If I can make my big voice move, you can definitely make your smaller, more flexible, female voice move!!!
@@Michael-hz2pl have you had much success with your trill? Fellow baritone here, still haven't been able to master it yet though not for lack of trying! 😅
@@twigstwigs2. If one cant sing one should not try singing. I cant.....😢
Oh wow, Madame di Donato is able to sing even notes!
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Cheer~~~produce a quavering or warbling sound.😊
I thought (with García or Vaccaj) that the trill was something the singer just has or not; that it couldn't be taught. Well, at the end of the day, it is not such an important thing. In fact, there has always been prima donnas (the great Giulia Grisi in the XIXth century or the big Montserrat Caballé in the XXth, among others) that didn't have one and they led splendid careers, nonetheless.
Well, about the relevance of having a trill, I'd say it depends on the repertoire. I've always thought it was a shame for some baroque singers not to have one. I know for a fact that you can work on your trill as Joyce says. I agree with you though : a good trill or the lack thereof doesn't make a career, but it can allow such beautiful ornamentations, which definitely enhance a performance.
I do miss the trill in many of Caballé's interpretations (depending on the role, I miss it a lot), so I'd say it's not that the trill is not relevant, but that Caballé was so amazing in other aspects that people forgave her lack of a trill.
+robert111k Yes in other repertoires as rayanreene says it isn't needed. But in Baroque its would be a shame not to have it. Baroque music is distinctive in that the instrument it uses, the rapid uses of it and the ability of the vocalist. To ignore trills is to ignore the baroque style, as not only the vocalist has trills but is also in the instrument sections as well. Bottomline is that taking trills away from baroque is not doing it in the spirit of how baroque music is.
+robert111k Oh no. I didn't start off with a trill, and using Ms. DiDonato's exercise I had a trill in 5 weeks. Now I'm just working at sustaining it. So no, it isn't just a "you have it or you don't" - it can be learned.
You should definately attempt to learn how to trill.. Especially in baroque music and bel canto it is such an important stylistic device
I don't get it... If I slow down the video she goes back and forth between two pitch, but when she actually trills the notes are different.
Pls someone tell me, if I go back and forth between a c and an d (1 full tone apart), am I supposed to trill between those two notes, or do a one semitone trill?
This is so confusing to me... :')
I feel like I am doing it but I can't really tell... I guess if I say how it actually feels when I do it, you all might understand. It feels like a pulsating laugh, except faster than usual. Yeah can someone tell me what it's supposed to feel like. Ty Lol.
This was super-helpful to me - thank you so much for posting! I feel like I have a huge head start now!
I'm very late to this and you certainly have a trill now but for anybodu wondering it does feel a little bit like a pulsating laugh. Making a pulsating laugh is what helped me doing trills instead of accelerating an interval like shown in this video. But it should not be completely like a pulsating laugh, it rather feels like the voice sort of cracks but not really. It is hard to explain well
I meant I don’t do well with any mention of the time word and that word being exactly time time time time time time time … time yes time
Put her trill on x0,25 speed… lol
I just did it, it's hilarious 🤣🤣
Mine is stuck on 5 vibration per sec! Can’t speed it up or it’ll be wobbly
2:00 How to trill
così trillano le galline
Marilyn Horne also had to work at hers which she admits when she was talking about Jenny Lind with Sutherland in an interview. So… 🤨
"Don't make sound doing it"
...hmmm. I have questions.
She meant : "sing quietly".
And all of a sudden, we’re watching Jaws.
Jaws? I don't understand
rayangreene the soundtrack of jaws starts with two alternating notes, a half step apart :)) just like the the trill at 2:04
but its more than an exercise, thats how people increase their range, thats why mariahs range is so high
Mariah Carey can access a rare register called whistle tone, which basically involves shaping the vocal folds into a tube and blowing air through them.
This exercise has nothing to do with increasing one’s range.
Can guys trill too?
Yes! And quite well too : "Hermann Jadlowker"
Franco Fragioli
You must correct me if I am wrong.
1. The vocal range of the candidate is defined by all the pitches where both, escaping air and no escaping air are available.
2. If the higher note is yearned at to be a falsetto, the trill mechanism is actuated?
To have a "trained/professional" voice, Joyce seems to have a very harsh, nasaled sound traveling on that "ahhhhh" vowel. ~shrugs~ Personal opinion.
Joshua Alexander are y’all associated with This Is Opera?
Cody Laun I had to laugh when I read your comment! No kidding, right? I’ve noticed some of the JDD videos have the comments disabled.
@@operacody12 This is Opera=Queen Jeremy and her hand full of internet trolls.
@@operacody12 Have you ever listened to the first half-century of recorded singing? Does ANYONE sound like that?
@@emailvonsour quite a bit, actually. I have preferences for things they did then, and preferences for things they do now. I think sound expectations have shifted from the golden age, but decrying all modern singing as inherently inferior isn’t doing anything good for the art form. I know a handful of singers that do sound much more like those singers in the first half of the 20th century, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say that they’re just right out “better” than others.
Trill Shit Joyce!
Lololol this comment made my day!
ohhhj so a vocal trill is what that Snow White did 😆
I actually think she doesnt sound that great. But i guess she does have some good control. Still isnt a good sound though
Throaty and disgusting.
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