Mikes such a swell guy. When I was like 16 I sent him and email asking for advice on No Complys and he responded with tips, so I'm not surprised he replied to you.
I just wanna say, you’re a great TH-camr. You upload at least three times a week, and most TH-camrs can’t even do that once a week without the quality of the video dropping. Your videos quality are always amazing. -Ali
More importantly Natas and Gonz were the first two skaters to ollie onto handrails. They also were the first to adapt Rodney's kickflip to street obstacles.
Mike v isn't really a person to actually care about things like that. At least that is the impression I always get from his social media and interviews and the sort. He sort of reminds me of Rodney Mullen, just being a really cool person, honest and sincere.
+lil cocoa butta the first kid to pull the handle bar off of his box scooter in 1956 invented street skating, years before Rodney was hopping around in his short-shorts.
If you think Mike V is honest, check out this video. He lied to Ed Templeton, said he didn't have his paycheck, then stole it, & put Ed Templeton out of business. The Mike V that you see on camera & on social Media is a facade, a fake public persona. I met him and he is completely different off camera.th-cam.com/video/w4twp085Ywg/w-d-xo.html
Also he'll beat 4 motherfuckers up at once while still being an epic person EDIT: that Ed thing sucks.. I can understand because he was looking out for his daughter but like.. still.. Fuck I hope he made it up to Ed
None of the others are as smooth and fast as the one Natas did. He deserves the cred 100%. Mike V in that sequence is only for about 180 of his 360 spin on top of the pole.
Streets on Fire was mostly shot in 1988, i'd guess. Case in point : Salba's part has been filmed (with his 'heavy friends') at the combi pool / Pipeline skatepark. That thing was gone by early 1989. Most decks that the SC team skates in SoF are 1987/88 models (Grosso's demon, Grabke's exploding clock, Salba's witchdoctor, Natas' bulldog model). Not a single 1989 model to be seen in the entire movie. Tilting at windmills here???
its not even the same trick. he ollies to disaster and rocks off the other side. there's no spin whatsoever. you can do the same on a curb or ledge. debate is moot.
Really, AMAZING video Rad Rat!!! Thanks a lot, I found this really entertaining man. Really liked how you showed and broke down the later variations of the trick in the second half of the video. Thanks again!
The Mike V elephant board was my last deck before I stopped skating in high school. Ironically it was my favorite due to the large amount of concave on the board and nose.
This is a dope video. Liked that it was informative & not one sided as to who did what... In all honesty, I always thought the natas spin was one of those tricks that just came about when a bunch of guys were dorking around waiting for that one dude who always shows up late (we all know one of those guys) & was like a "group effort" of trying to one up each other & get creative on a board 🤷♂️
Geek outtttt....I used to own this magazine and it was captioned as fs 180 to fs rock out on a bollard. He does it more like a lipslide rock out not really a spin like natas did. Still pretty cool at the time.
Uh spinning on a fire hydrant would be super hard. Who cares if he grabbed a street sign to mount and get off. I don't think anyone would care because his feet stayed on the board the whole time?
I recall reading an interview with Natas where he says he would go to contests in Europe and they'd have a fire hydrant set up just for him, hoping he'd bust out his signature move - only they were waist-high European style hydrants that just didn't lend themselves for spinning at all.
Hi Rad Rat have you ever done a video about the skate shop zumiez? If not, it would be great to see a video on why most skaters dislikes the company and for what reasons, thanks👍
Main reason skateboarders dislike zumiez is because they put local skate shops out of business. They're employees are also super annoying pushing every product they can on you and most of the time dont now what there talking about cuz they dont skate
Ding Ding Ding...... We have a winner.......... Natas was known nation wide back then for being able to Ollie over firetrucks and shit....... The spin was just one of a zillion things he did in streets of fire.
I always thought Streets of Fire was solidly 1988, or at least the footage was. Another clue is that SST supplied the music and most of it was from records they released 1987 and earlier. By 1989 Powell was about to release Ban This, SMA World Industries was starting really take off (thanks to them poaching Mike Vallely from Powell) and board shapes slowly started to change to the “popsicle.” Also, 1989 was when Natas, Jim Theibaud, Julien Stranger, etc. did that tour in old Cadillacs or whatever. Natas' style in 1989 had evolved from this shorts and big bangs period. I'm no authority and my memory from the time, being just 10 years old, isn't exact. Things moved so quickly that it's hard to know for sure. You're right about them not taking a year or more to film, so it could quite possibly be very early 1989 footage. Only those involved would know for sure.
Mike V seems like a genuine great guy. He once replied to one of my youtube comments out of the blue. That is rare given how youtube comment sections can be.
Natas' spin was mindblowing at the time because those hydrants have a small sharp top, which makes the balance point really small. That one with the kickflip out at the end on the pipe was bonkers too. The rock ones are cool, but the stakes are way lower.
I used to LOVE R.A.D. Magazine when I was a kid. Here in the UK, we had Thrasher & TWS obviously but you couldn’t necessarily find them easily (although it wasn’t too hard either), but R.A.D. Magazine they sold in my local shop. Basically, at the age of 10, I’d say at least 70% of my skate knowledge came from reading that 1 magazine. Blast from the fucking past!
FYI -I was surprised to see Natas come up in skiing but I was watching how-to freestyle skiing tricks and the Natas spin came up. Hard to believe that I heard Natas referenced in skiing-very surprising and very cool.
Shows how old I'm getting. Remember when Natas first started getting publicly known and recall watching that vid with the Natas spin in the late 80's or perhaps 90-91ish. That's pretty close to 30 years ago.
a lot of people goofed around and did that spin, not just Mike V... and then Natas did it faster and spun twice, grabbed out, also grabbed and pushed his hand off of the sign post to get more spin going. Good rundown of the trick tho, liking your talks.
Mike is very humble he has done so much for skate boarding he's a Legend and a pioneer of skate board culture he just simply loves skating and the spirit of it he doesn't even need to say anything his style and expression of skating says everything about him.
Mike is from Edison NJ. Edison was a mecca of talent. Incredible to grow up there during the late 80s. Metuchen new Brunswick metropark....middle school high school kids semi pro....it was amazing.
there were some natas spins in kotr 2016 (the one aired in 2017) but gravette was the only one who did it without using his hands if i remember correctly
There's something special about Southbank in London as well. It's kinda the Stonehenge of English skating lol and it had a very distinct vibe (less so now it's more touristy). It was dank and dirty and dangerous (until skaters showed up you only got winos, smackheads and tramps there). You were as likely to come home without your deck after getting beat up as have a good session. Point being.. cos it was so edgy you skated different, more attitude, more aggressive, less fu*ks given.. and magic happened. From these guys to Gonz to just us regular rats. Sorry, long old guy ramble.. but that quote touched something! Also.. seeing pros there was just epic for us, even in photos.
Really good episode and a great example of how the world of skateboarding was still isolated a lot geographically. I don't think younger skaters today could ever comprehend this. I feel lucky to have started in 1975 and still going strong! Great job With your TH-cam channel. I enjoy a lot if the info and You seem to be very thorough in your research!
Natas just said him and jesse Martinez used to do those spins previous to video. But imo the Natas spin should be on a hydrant or very narrow pole and “spinning at faster speed. IMO
Nice video, as always. By the way, I notice you didn't even attempt to pronounce the full version of Mike's last name! You're one of the few people on TH-cam I'd expect to get it right.
Just found your channel. Great research, well presented. Keep documenting!!! I recently saw Andy Anderson do a legit 360 Natas spin on a fire hydrant in his short skate film.
Vallely's was more of a proto Natas spin ... the natas spin is associated with a fire hydrant more, and part of that is how much harder it probably is to do on a fire hydrant, and with more spin. If Vallely's version had been posted in the states, even as part of a video, I don't think it would have become iconic like it did when Natas did it.
Great vid...good info but noticed a discrepency in the release date of that issue of R.A.D (Read and Destroy) January 1988 and Mike Vs 18th birthday June 1988. I had that issue and was a hard charging super stoked sk8ing teen, both Natas and Mike were and still are huge influences in my skating, Natas's Santa Cruz/SMA were my board of choice back then, but I did also have the Mike V elephant graphic Powell Peralta and it was a great board.
fun activity to try at home ,find a plain piece of cardboard or paper around 6 by 10 inches ,find a flat surface, write Natas on paper/card ,get a mirror,lay it upright horizontally against the text. prepare for mind being blown
Rad rat I know this sounds stupid but isn't a backside flip/frontside flip a varial flip but with a body rotation I am new to skating and I'm just wondering P.s if you like this question can you put it into ask rad rat
Mr Regular Word that's definitely one way to conceptualize the trick. You saw that alot in the 90s with the really vertical "muska style" fs flips, that were essentially hardflips (or the version of hardflips that were popular at the time) with a FS 180. Nowadays tho, people are generally more stoked on fs/bs flips that are closer to the most literal ideal of a 180 kickflip, almost as if the skater and the board are connected during the entire rotation, as opposed to the board doing its own thing while the skater rotates above it.
I remember learning of it from Underground tbh and I did indeed think it was just a video game trick. The first person I saw do it legitimately was Andy Anderson and my jaw dropped and I thought 'holy crap, that can actually be done??!!' and that drove me down a rabbit hole of the trick 😂
If you slow down or pause the video it looks more like a 180 than a whole 360 spin. Yamaaaar, a commenter below actually had the magazine and the caption to this was fs 180.. I don't believe this was a complete Natas spin.
Good Video.I don't agree that was his biggest legacy though. To me he was one of the pioneers of the being able to ollie high, and along with Gonz riding railes.
If nothing else Natas' spin in Streets on Fire was perfectly placed in his video part along with the music from fIREHOSE, who were the Minutemen (before D. Boone died and Ed found Watt's number in the phonebook and pestered him into playing again, and with him), who wrote and recorded Corona, which became the Jackass theme... sooooooo whatever. I'm just glad that this was my childhood and these people are talking about this stuff.
I think you're probably kinda off on the production date of Streets of Fire. I would venture to say that that footy could all be from as far back as 1987. It's not actually a skate video. It's a skate film as it was shot on 16mm. Shooting on 16 looks much better but is a lot more work and you can't just edit deck to deck in a bedroom like a video and bang out an edit in a could of weeks. You have numerous elements during the production such as shooting, film processing, sound and editing, each of which basically gets handled separately and it takes longer. I think this is ultimately the reason there weren't that many skate films made. Part of what was strange about Streets of Fire was that it felt dated when it came out. The footage in Speed Freaks is actually a much better look at what the SMA crew were up to 1989 and, if you look at it, you can see that Natas' style of dress had changed quite a bit. You can also chart this change if you look at the ads in Thrasher during those years. My point is basically that trying to chart a timeline for Natas has always been difficult but that fact, plus the fact that Vallely skated with Natas and Gonz a lot early on, makes it hard for me to credit Mike on this. I do have to say once and for all that somebody has to make a real, honest to goodness skateboarding archive on the web that includes all the mags and vids so that the culture can be accurately documented. We can't be having sequences popping up from European mags 30 years later that blow all the previous timelines sky high.
Honestly, I'm torn. I've looked at the sequence on Insta again (a lot) and tried moving it quick to sort of animate it and I think you're right. It's not even really a spin in the same way that Natas was doing it. I think maybe it's a similar mind set and approach on similar terrain between skaters that skated together, pushed and influenced each other.
The Natas spin is more like a stall, Mike's spin was more in the flow of it. Also, regarding 16mm, shooting film was of course way more prevalent in those days, so developing the stuff was a whole lot quicker than now, especially if they were in the LA area.
16mm is harder to shoot now, then and always. It's why digital video has taken over in production almost universally and only the most A-List of Hollywood directors even get the option to shoot on film anymore. As far as I know, the only 3 skate videos ever shot entirely on film are Sick Boys and Wheels and Streets of Fire. The reason is that it's a heck of a lot harder. The skater is beholden to the crew being ready and not the other way around. That just isn't an option given the way skate videos are made and what they are all about.
Oh I know it's harder compared to digital, I'm not denying that. But back then it was a film orientated world and 16mm was used for shitloads of different productions. Not just hollywood kind of stuff (that's mostly 35mm). 16mm was used for a lot of documentaries and low budget stuff as well. It is true that it was more and more transitioning into video, but the whole infrastructure and the know how was still there. You could get your film developed and screened pretty quickly. And in case of skatevids there was not really a crew needed, just one guy with a camera (although he does need to know how to change the film). The camera person needs to know what they're doing but film is still pretty forgiving. And even today shows like The Walking Dead and a lot of relatively low budget indies are shot on 16. Anyways, all I'm saying that 16mm was not as complicated as it is now. But yeah, video is def easier and if you are going to shoot dozens of takes of a trick a whole lot cheaper too.
I’m really glad I found this i wondered if it was possible just because I saw it in tony hawk games and I think my friends were talking about it and wondered if it was possible to do
There is a great article on Transworld's site about who created the Stalefish. It was probably Hawk but Gonz might've also done it. They were at the same European Skate Summer camp together and they both have photos doing it there. Or RadRat will tell us how it was somebody completely different who never got the credit lol
If you watch Chomp On This, at around the 9 minute mark someone does a Natas Spin but it’s part of a montage so I can’t tell who it is! Also if you haven’t seen Chomp On This you definitely should because it’s amazing. Jamie Thomas’ part is his best ever IMO.
Mikes such a swell guy. When I was like 16 I sent him and email asking for advice on No Complys and he responded with tips, so I'm not surprised he replied to you.
Swell😂😂
I used to watch his how to videos
A swell fella indeed
I just wanna say, you’re a great TH-camr. You upload at least three times a week, and most TH-camrs can’t even do that once a week without the quality of the video dropping. Your videos quality are always amazing. -Ali
I agree. Good videos. I especially like the stuff with the old guys...since I'm an old guy!
Apxllo you’re a fruit that can’t even use your own face pic, nobody cares.
More importantly Natas and Gonz were the first two skaters to ollie onto handrails. They also were the first to adapt Rodney's kickflip to street obstacles.
Mike v isn't really a person to actually care about things like that. At least that is the impression I always get from his social media and interviews and the sort.
He sort of reminds me of Rodney Mullen, just being a really cool person, honest and sincere.
SpiderMax Didnt Rodney credit himself with inventing street skating in a TED Talk?
+lil cocoa butta the first kid to pull the handle bar off of his box scooter in 1956 invented street skating, years before Rodney was hopping around in his short-shorts.
If you think Mike V is honest, check out this video. He lied to Ed Templeton, said he didn't have his paycheck, then stole it, & put Ed Templeton out of business. The Mike V that you see on camera & on social Media is a facade, a fake public persona. I met him and he is completely different off camera.th-cam.com/video/w4twp085Ywg/w-d-xo.html
marko barsness in 1956, foh
Also he'll beat 4 motherfuckers up at once while still being an epic person
EDIT: that Ed thing sucks.. I can understand because he was looking out for his daughter but like.. still.. Fuck I hope he made it up to Ed
None of the others are as smooth and fast as the one Natas did. He deserves the cred 100%. Mike V in that sequence is only for about 180 of his 360 spin on top of the pole.
The last two shown in the last 30 seconds are so are amazing otherwise I agree with you. Richie Jackson’s skating honestly just turns me off
Streets on Fire was mostly shot in 1988, i'd guess. Case in point : Salba's part has been filmed (with his 'heavy friends') at the combi pool / Pipeline skatepark. That thing was gone by early 1989. Most decks that the SC team skates in SoF are 1987/88 models (Grosso's demon, Grabke's exploding clock, Salba's witchdoctor, Natas' bulldog model). Not a single 1989 model to be seen in the entire movie. Tilting at windmills here???
Natas is 🔥🔥🔥
Mike V is 🔥🔥🔥
Rad Rat is 🔥🔥🔥🔥
The real question is "Who invented Satan's nips?"
How was this not in the Bermuda triangle in thug 2? Natas spin on Satan's Nips. It writes itself.
its not even the same trick. he ollies to disaster and rocks off the other side. there's no spin whatsoever. you can do the same on a curb or ledge. debate is moot.
Your uploads are great man. Respect from the UK
Nothing out of the ordinary, just Mike V being epic 💕.
Thanks for the video! Instasub.
Really, AMAZING video Rad Rat!!! Thanks a lot, I found this really entertaining man. Really liked how you showed and broke down the later variations of the trick in the second half of the video. Thanks again!
wow I love the amount of research that goes into these videos. I never seen so many Natas spin variations.
I haven’t been shredding in years but your channel makes me want to pick up my board again
Another great video Rad rat. So cool Mike V responded, he's such a good dude
The Mike V elephant board was my last deck before I stopped skating in high school. Ironically it was my favorite due to the large amount of concave on the board and nose.
I think this is the best video you've put out so far. More trick history videos please and thank you
This is a dope video. Liked that it was informative & not one sided as to who did what... In all honesty, I always thought the natas spin was one of those tricks that just came about when a bunch of guys were dorking around waiting for that one dude who always shows up late (we all know one of those guys) & was like a "group effort" of trying to one up each other & get creative on a board 🤷♂️
Wow! Natas kickflip out really didn't look like a "weird trick". Very well executed.
Geek outtttt....I used to own this magazine and it was captioned as fs 180 to fs rock out on a bollard. He does it more like a lipslide rock out not really a spin like natas did. Still pretty cool at the time.
yamaaaaar, I think you're right brother, if you look at it closely it does look like Mike V only does a 180.
What about Andy Anderson on powell. That dude natas spins every fire hydrant he sees. Plus he has a badass board shape.
@10:15 Jordan Sanchez hands free natas spin kickflip out. By far the most tech and smoothest.
for sure, he also landed on a lil bank, and rode away between two cars
ryan yeah, that was THE one....
ryan and the pole was thin af
Fuck yes. I live about 5 minutes away from that spot, too. 425!
Uh spinning on a fire hydrant would be super hard. Who cares if he grabbed a street sign to mount and get off. I don't think anyone would care because his feet stayed on the board the whole time?
I recall reading an interview with Natas where he says he would go to contests in Europe and they'd have a fire hydrant set up just for him, hoping he'd bust out his signature move - only they were waist-high European style hydrants that just didn't lend themselves for spinning at all.
Sick topic! Dan told me to be ready for an epic episode! Such a crazy trick really cool to see all the variations
Best video of yours imo. Love this episode!
RAD magazine brings back some memories.
This channel is going to explode soon. It has excellent content.
Super informative and it's awesome that you got a response from Mike V.! Good job Aron.
I like that the natas spin lives on fashionably like the everlasting trick the boneless!
Boneless is fucking timeless
10:19 That was kinda insane trick...
I remember that tour. Can't believe it was nearly 30 years ago.
Hi Rad Rat have you ever done a video about the skate shop zumiez? If not, it would be great to see a video on why most skaters dislikes the company and for what reasons, thanks👍
Main reason skateboarders dislike zumiez is because they put local skate shops out of business. They're employees are also super annoying pushing every product they can on you and most of the time dont now what there talking about cuz they dont skate
Daniel that's a good one
👍
I don't hate zumiez they sell Stussy not one local skate shop sells Stussy
Fuck Zumiez.
jason bouskill baaaaaaa
Back in the 80’s no one cared about the spin. It was his huge Ollie’s that made him popular.
Ding Ding Ding...... We have a winner.......... Natas was known nation wide back then for being able to Ollie over firetrucks and shit....... The spin was just one of a zillion things he did in streets of fire.
I'm surprised mike.v didn't try to fight natus, sued to have it renamed " the bad ass Mike v twister", and then try to do an early grab version.
I always thought Streets of Fire was solidly 1988, or at least the footage was. Another clue is that SST supplied the music and most of it was from records they released 1987 and earlier. By 1989 Powell was about to release Ban This, SMA World Industries was starting really take off (thanks to them poaching Mike Vallely from Powell) and board shapes slowly started to change to the “popsicle.” Also, 1989 was when Natas, Jim Theibaud, Julien Stranger, etc. did that tour in old Cadillacs or whatever. Natas' style in 1989 had evolved from this shorts and big bangs period.
I'm no authority and my memory from the time, being just 10 years old, isn't exact. Things moved so quickly that it's hard to know for sure. You're right about them not taking a year or more to film, so it could quite possibly be very early 1989 footage. Only those involved would know for sure.
That's why Natas' spin in '89 is so epic, (for me, at least) because he was spinning pretty quick, and it because it was on the hydrant.
Mike V seems like a genuine great guy.
He once replied to one of my youtube comments out of the blue.
That is rare given how youtube comment sections can be.
Natas' spin was mindblowing at the time because those hydrants have a small sharp top, which makes the balance point really small. That one with the kickflip out at the end on the pipe was bonkers too. The rock ones are cool, but the stakes are way lower.
I used to LOVE R.A.D. Magazine when I was a kid. Here in the UK, we had Thrasher & TWS obviously but you couldn’t necessarily find them easily (although it wasn’t too hard either), but R.A.D. Magazine they sold in my local shop. Basically, at the age of 10, I’d say at least 70% of my skate knowledge came from reading that 1 magazine. Blast from the fucking past!
Super interesting video man had no idea about a lot of this info
Do a video on Matt Hensley!
I know Mike V from epic fight scenes 😂
I don't.
FYI -I was surprised to see Natas come up in skiing but I was watching how-to freestyle skiing tricks and the Natas spin came up. Hard to believe that I heard Natas referenced in skiing-very surprising and very cool.
Shows how old I'm getting. Remember when Natas first started getting publicly known and recall watching that vid with the Natas spin in the late 80's or perhaps 90-91ish. That's pretty close to 30 years ago.
a lot of people goofed around and did that spin, not just Mike V... and then Natas did it faster and spun twice, grabbed out, also grabbed and pushed his hand off of the sign post to get more spin going. Good rundown of the trick tho, liking your talks.
10:11 one of the best looking tricks ever. Richie is like the Picasso of skating
Mike is very humble he has done so much for skate boarding he's a Legend and a pioneer of skate board culture he just simply loves skating and the spirit of it he doesn't even need to say anything his style and expression of skating says everything about him.
Mike is from Edison NJ.
Edison was a mecca of talent.
Incredible to grow up there during the late 80s. Metuchen new Brunswick metropark....middle school high school kids semi pro....it was amazing.
Classic Rad Rat! Another deep dive into the obscure!
I remember that, he did it in London at the southbank
Streets on Fire arrived in shops on February 15, 1989. So most likely it was filmed in 88
Informative and very watchable video. Thank you.
there were some natas spins in kotr 2016 (the one aired in 2017) but gravette was the only one who did it without using his hands if i remember correctly
4:24 that is one of the most well worded descriptions of skating ever
There's something special about Southbank in London as well. It's kinda the Stonehenge of English skating lol and it had a very distinct vibe (less so now it's more touristy). It was dank and dirty and dangerous (until skaters showed up you only got winos, smackheads and tramps there). You were as likely to come home without your deck after getting beat up as have a good session. Point being.. cos it was so edgy you skated different, more attitude, more aggressive, less fu*ks given.. and magic happened. From these guys to Gonz to just us regular rats.
Sorry, long old guy ramble.. but that quote touched something! Also.. seeing pros there was just epic for us, even in photos.
Thanks for the great uploads man, I wish there were more people like you on TH-cam...
Mike V is one of my top 5 all time favorite skateboarders! his style is straight from the heart and soul and always loved it!
that was your dopest one hands down.
Those two on the end are mind blowing.
Gravette did a few variations in one of the recent KOTR if I remember correctly. Was an official challenge.
i met mike v once. he was cool. all time favorite fight is him against those four dudes in jackass. long live valleley
Andy Anderson landed a hydrant spin without touching a street sign/pole that was pretty awseome.
Woah the clips from richie and dan are soooo crazy! Wow
Really good episode and a great example of how the world of skateboarding was still isolated a lot geographically. I don't think younger skaters today could ever comprehend this. I feel lucky to have started in 1975 and still going strong! Great job With your TH-cam channel. I enjoy a lot if the info and You seem to be very thorough in your research!
Those different versions at the end are exciting
Richie Jackson has such a crazy style, so does Mike V, I love watching them
Natas just said him and jesse Martinez used to do those spins previous to video. But imo the Natas spin should be on a hydrant or very narrow pole and “spinning at faster speed. IMO
I don't think I've ever heard you say a skater responded to you before.
Nice video, as always.
By the way, I notice you didn't even attempt to pronounce the full version of Mike's last name! You're one of the few people on TH-cam I'd expect to get it right.
Just found your channel. Great research, well presented. Keep documenting!!! I recently saw Andy Anderson do a legit 360 Natas spin on a fire hydrant in his short skate film.
Vallely's was more of a proto Natas spin ... the natas spin is associated with a fire hydrant more, and part of that is how much harder it probably is to do on a fire hydrant, and with more spin. If Vallely's version had been posted in the states, even as part of a video, I don't think it would have become iconic like it did when Natas did it.
Dude I havnt skated in 5 years how was I lucky enough to find this channel?
I could of sworn in 87 he did that in Sactown when we were skating downtown by Benetton lot towards Old Sacramento!
i did natas rock to fakie and half cab half natas (180 spin) to fakie.... both on a rock
Great vid...good info but noticed a discrepency in the release date of that issue of R.A.D (Read and Destroy) January 1988 and Mike Vs 18th birthday June 1988. I had that issue and was a hard charging super stoked sk8ing teen, both Natas and Mike were and still are huge influences in my skating, Natas's Santa Cruz/SMA were my board of choice back then, but I did also have the Mike V elephant graphic Powell Peralta and it was a great board.
fun activity to try at home ,find a plain piece of cardboard or paper around 6 by 10 inches ,find a flat surface, write Natas on paper/card ,get a mirror,lay it upright horizontally against the text. prepare for mind being blown
Andy Andersen does them all the time as well.
The Nose Natas is awesome. Definitely one of the more stylish variations on the trick.
Rad rat I know this sounds stupid but isn't a backside flip/frontside flip a varial flip but with a body rotation
I am new to skating and I'm just wondering
P.s if you like this question can you put it into ask rad rat
Mr Regular Word that's definitely one way to conceptualize the trick. You saw that alot in the 90s with the really vertical "muska style" fs flips, that were essentially hardflips (or the version of hardflips that were popular at the time) with a FS 180. Nowadays tho, people are generally more stoked on fs/bs flips that are closer to the most literal ideal of a 180 kickflip, almost as if the skater and the board are connected during the entire rotation, as opposed to the board doing its own thing while the skater rotates above it.
I don't skate but I love these videos for some reason lmao
No because the Natas spin is on a hydrant which is harder
Mike's version should just be called the V spin.
I remember learning of it from Underground tbh and I did indeed think it was just a video game trick. The first person I saw do it legitimately was Andy Anderson and my jaw dropped and I thought 'holy crap, that can actually be done??!!' and that drove me down a rabbit hole of the trick 😂
Great video brother!
The darkside natas and the ghost natas is fucking RAD!
If you slow down or pause the video it looks more like a 180 than a whole 360 spin.
Yamaaaar, a commenter below actually had the magazine and the caption to this was fs 180..
I don't believe this was a complete Natas spin.
Every time anyone pops an Ollie are they stealing that trick from Rodney (or Gelfand)? Also, the trick was filmed in 88, movie came out early 89.
David Gravette did a nice one in the Creature Video part from this year.
mike v's is on a square pillar and its 180, natas' is on spike and its 360.......no comparison.
Good Video.I don't agree that was his biggest legacy though. To me he was one of the pioneers of the being able to ollie high, and along with Gonz riding railes.
_Answer:_ I think a Fire-Hydrant is the _main part_ of a Natas "spin". So, No.
If nothing else Natas' spin in Streets on Fire was perfectly placed in his video part along with the music from fIREHOSE, who were the Minutemen (before D. Boone died and Ed found Watt's number in the phonebook and pestered him into playing again, and with him), who wrote and recorded Corona, which became the Jackass theme... sooooooo whatever. I'm just glad that this was my childhood and these people are talking about this stuff.
i also thought the move was made up and impossible to do, this is just awesome
I think you're probably kinda off on the production date of Streets of Fire. I would venture to say that that footy could all be from as far back as 1987. It's not actually a skate video. It's a skate film as it was shot on 16mm. Shooting on 16 looks much better but is a lot more work and you can't just edit deck to deck in a bedroom like a video and bang out an edit in a could of weeks. You have numerous elements during the production such as shooting, film processing, sound and editing, each of which basically gets handled separately and it takes longer. I think this is ultimately the reason there weren't that many skate films made. Part of what was strange about Streets of Fire was that it felt dated when it came out. The footage in Speed Freaks is actually a much better look at what the SMA crew were up to 1989 and, if you look at it, you can see that Natas' style of dress had changed quite a bit. You can also chart this change if you look at the ads in Thrasher during those years. My point is basically that trying to chart a timeline for Natas has always been difficult but that fact, plus the fact that Vallely skated with Natas and Gonz a lot early on, makes it hard for me to credit Mike on this. I do have to say once and for all that somebody has to make a real, honest to goodness skateboarding archive on the web that includes all the mags and vids so that the culture can be accurately documented. We can't be having sequences popping up from European mags 30 years later that blow all the previous timelines sky high.
I think Vallely trick is not a Natas spin, it is like a 180 disaster and then like a (over or transfer) rock and Roll out, don´t you think so???
Honestly, I'm torn. I've looked at the sequence on Insta again (a lot) and tried moving it quick to sort of animate it and I think you're right. It's not even really a spin in the same way that Natas was doing it. I think maybe it's a similar mind set and approach on similar terrain between skaters that skated together, pushed and influenced each other.
The Natas spin is more like a stall, Mike's spin was more in the flow of it.
Also, regarding 16mm, shooting film was of course way more prevalent in those days, so developing the stuff was a whole lot quicker than now, especially if they were in the LA area.
16mm is harder to shoot now, then and always. It's why digital video has taken over in production almost universally and only the most A-List of Hollywood directors even get the option to shoot on film anymore. As far as I know, the only 3 skate videos ever shot entirely on film are Sick Boys and Wheels and Streets of Fire. The reason is that it's a heck of a lot harder. The skater is beholden to the crew being ready and not the other way around. That just isn't an option given the way skate videos are made and what they are all about.
Oh I know it's harder compared to digital, I'm not denying that. But back then it was a film orientated world and 16mm was used for shitloads of different productions. Not just hollywood kind of stuff (that's mostly 35mm). 16mm was used for a lot of documentaries and low budget stuff as well. It is true that it was more and more transitioning into video, but the whole infrastructure and the know how was still there. You could get your film developed and screened pretty quickly. And in case of skatevids there was not really a crew needed, just one guy with a camera (although he does need to know how to change the film). The camera person needs to know what they're doing but film is still pretty forgiving.
And even today shows like The Walking Dead and a lot of relatively low budget indies are shot on 16.
Anyways, all I'm saying that 16mm was not as complicated as it is now. But yeah, video is def easier and if you are going to shoot dozens of takes of a trick a whole lot cheaper too.
Mike V's is almost a full 180 ollie before he's flat on the pole, it's more of a 180 stall revert.
I’m really glad I found this i wondered if it was possible just because I saw it in tony hawk games and I think my friends were talking about it and wondered if it was possible to do
Did Gator invent the stalefish? I hear different sources and did he invented the Sean Penn too? Thank you your videos are informative.
There is a great article on Transworld's site about who created the Stalefish. It was probably Hawk but Gonz might've also done it. They were at the same European Skate Summer camp together and they both have photos doing it there. Or RadRat will tell us how it was somebody completely different who never got the credit lol
The first Natas spin I saw was in a Shorty’s video from like 2002-ish? Can’t remember exactly. Also Haslam does one in his Transworld part.
It wasn’t Shorty’s sorry. It was a video called Chomp On This from 2002, so that kinda pre-dates what you said as far as the resurgence.
If you watch Chomp On This, at around the 9 minute mark someone does a Natas Spin but it’s part of a montage so I can’t tell who it is! Also if you haven’t seen Chomp On This you definitely should because it’s amazing. Jamie Thomas’ part is his best ever IMO.
I think Vallely trick is not a Natas spin, it is like a 180 disaster and then like a (over or transfer) rock and Roll out, don´t you think so???
That's closer to a 180 boardslide to 180 out... he never actually stayed on the cube...