Jim "@22lrMarksmen" Cannon's Trip to ELEY Test Range in Winters, TX
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- Wow! So much fun, so much learning. ELEY sent me to their testing range to document what it's like. Well, it's amazing. ELEY Tenex is the gold standard of 22lr ammunition. We tested 18 different lots of Tenex and moved on to test the best 6 to prove their performance. Shots are measured electronically with pin point accuracy so you know exactly how well each lot preforms.
Take the ELEY tenex Challenge! ELEY will send you 5000 rounds if their ammo doesn't beat theirs! WOW!!!
www.eley.co.uk/...
Outside to outside 10 shot groups:
CZ 455 Old Barrel - 14.7mm
CZ 455 New Barrel - 16.9mm
Kidd Supergrade - 15mm
Vudoo Gunworks - 13.3mm!
Range Records (Single shot custom everything):
10 Shot group - 9.3mm!
40 shot group - 13.0!
Head to ELEY at www.eley.co.uk/...
Checkout www.killoughshootingsports.com for ammo, triggers, wind flags, tuners, targets, cleaning supplies, etc.
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Great experience and video. I didn't realize there were variables in the manufacturing process that they either didn't understand or can not economically control. It also tells me that the best lots never make it out to the general public. With all the testing and lot control, the best lots are kept for the "special" people.
Best lot is somewhat of a misnomer. It is not necessarily one lot is better than the next. It is specific to that individual rifle. Two rifles from the same manufacturer, made on the same day, still have variances and will therefore like a type of ammo or specific lot number of that ammo better. Accuracy with a .22 typically involves a lot of trial and error with a lot of different ammo just to see what is working and what isn’t. I have a Savage that shoots fairly cheap CCI standard more accurately than 6 different match ammo’s I tested. Have not had the time to test different lot numbers, but will now.
will just say "Lucky " people , sometimes , even 8/10 of the best aren't what we'd want
congratulations on the experience and good shots.
When I was playing paintball competition. As a team, we would always shoot the same 'lot' of paintballs and have them matched to the right sized barrel. It makes a big difference! Great video Jim!
I grew up on a ranch just a few miles east of Winters. I moved to the Dallas area after college but went back often for hunting until our family sold the property in 1993.
Great hunting area! Deer, turkey, quail, dove, varmints.
I am surprised to see this facility there. Not much else in Winters.
Fascinating...... I guess my Anschutz rifle needs to make a trip south...
I drove past this place dozens of times going between San Antonio and Lubbock. I never saw the small red Eley sign. This is another reason to stop at Winters - for the Eley test range (hope it is still open) and the Winter's Dove Fest in September. Thanks for your vid - wish I had seen it sooner.
This is very cool! Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching!
Remington made tens of thousands of the 40X Chambered in 22LR .
Ok
At 50yards those groups are very ordinary.
Glad you said it.
Great educational video I own a custom shop Remington 547T .22lr plus I live in Texas I did not know they were located in Texas I’ll definitely visit them . Thanks
Where is the new Vudoo video? We need more videos of that rifle as no one is putting them up on TH-cam.
gixxerjunky I'm on it.
Holy shit my groups from my cheap savage mark II fv with cci standard velocity at 53yds are identical to all of those on average and I'm shooting bipod/bag and frustrated with the imperfection. This is an eye opener. My $200 rifle shoots like those rifles with regular ammo. WOW.
AP1 S2K pictures or it didn't happen!
Jim Cannon is there a way to post pics in these comments? I've got tons
Come on. This is just not true.
I would have went there for that burger!
It was incredible!!
You mentioned in the video you shoot lots of tikkas. Are you talking about the t1x? I just bought one as a training rifle to keep the wear off my 6.5x47 match rig and love the thing. It even fits in the same chassis as my match rifle!
I have one & I love it too!
Jim Cannon I just saw one of your other videos. I’m running the XLR element as well. You should do a video of your Tikka.
Testing 50 yards for me would be ok , but I want to see what a group is at 230 Yards is. I would buy a bunch at that point.
At last, a reasonably-scientific ammo test! Do they have test results of their ammo in Anschütz? Havings seen their own groups of 6 mm...
Great Video!
Is there an UK or european equivalent Eley set up as the one you visited ?
Yes, there is one in Norway.
and Birmingham!
Good research! Now the unanswered question: What manufacturing process is different (premium vs. standard round) to command improved accuracy claim and hefty price bump? Cheers! (I have a manufacturing and business background.)
I talked to eley manufacturing years ago, & at that time the only difference was it was "sorted" into the different grades with test barrel.. i doubt its any different now, except that now they have more "machines" making the ammo.. now you find which machine and then which velocity your rifle likes
My understanding is that for a batch to be labelled as Tenex it has to perform to a certain standard in all FOUR of Eley’s test barrels. If it doesn’t meet the Tenex criteria then it either will be labelled as Match or Team depending on its performance.
So it’s entirely possible that you can find a batch of cheaper Eley ammunition which shoots well in 2 or 3 of the their test barrels but not in all 4 - but which shoots well in YOUR particular barrel. Personally, I spend a significant portion of my range time testing batches of ammunition (Tenex, Match, R50, Special Match, Centre X, Midas).
Statistically, a random batch of Tenex should outperform a random batch of Match or Team in a randomly selected barrel.
However, I have also had some batches of selected Tenex which were very good from the shoulder - and some that were less so...
I hate to tell you this (actually, I don't) but my Remington 597 with a free-floating sporter barrel, CCI standard velocity ammunition, and a $22 bipod with otherwise stock everything and a $40 CVLife 6-24 scope shoots groups like these or better, always, at 50 yards sitting at a folding table. The only modification on the gun is a tube extension on the barrel to support a weight on the end. How do I go about doing this ELEY challenge?
ashley garrow - I would Loooove to see that. Email me photos at 22lrmarksmen@gmail.com
If you'd like to do this for real, contact Dan Killough at ELEY in Texas. He can arrange for you to ship your rifle to him and he'll do this exact test on your rifle. www.eley.co.uk/test-ranges/united-states-of-america/
Any luck with the Tenex challenge?
I’d love to get some money on this. You are kidding. Right?
Jim -- Thanks for your video. From the comments below, you must have an amazing subscriber list of National Champions and Olympic caliber shooters commenting on your results. On a serious note, who would have thought that Eley's North American Test Facility resided in humble little Winters, TX? After watching your video, I spoke to Dan Killough by phone last week. He couldn't have been nicer. And now I'm scheduled to test my Anschutz 1710 (54 action) later this week. Lucky for me, I'm sort of "local." Winters, TX is only a 3 1/2 hour drive away. Best wishes....
How did it go?
The best 10-shot Tenex group for my Anschutz 1710 (54 action) was 16.6 mm, but subsequent groups of the same lot spread quite a bit. Because the Anschutz 1710 technically has a "factory" barrel, Dan suggested batch testing Eley Edge on the 2nd day rather than Tenex. According to Dan, Eley Edge is designed to maximize performance in "factory" barrels. The best 10-shot Edge group was 17.0 mm. But a few multiple Edge groups (same lot) were slightly tighter overall than a few multiple Tenex groups (same lot). So I ended-up doing a bulk purchase of Eley Edge. Dan and his staff are incredibly knowledgeable and very patient with a rimfire neophyte like me. What a great experience! What a great time-saver! Thanks again for your video...
@@sluggoII Dan is amazing. Thanks for reporting your experience.
That's how you do business! Cuts out all the wasted money and time, when you get the proper ammo, I have been down that path twice now with two rifles throwing ammo around like a " Mad Womans Shit" talk to the people who know, and listen, they know more than you!
Nice video. I said that the test is free when you buy some ammo. Is there some minimum amount you have to buy?
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I'm totally surprised by this video. I have a 1962 remington 512 sportmaster with a simple athlon talos 4-16 mrad scope that just this weekend on Caldwell tack driver bag shot a 14 mm, 15 round group in a 7-10 mph wind outdoors. I guess I'm not doing so bad with a rifle I've owned since I was 8 years old that is totally stock even the trigger. I was using Eley target yellow box which my old gun likes best so far. I wonder how much better it might shoot with some expensive ammo, LOL This the most expensive stuff I ever fed that gun and its been spoiled!
That's incredible! Was that center to center? My 13.3mm was outside to outside. They also tell people you'll usually see better results in a stock rather than in the test facility.
no outside to outside, had one cold bore shot out of that group that was fired after two rounds of Cci 1070fps standard velocity stuff@@22lrmarksmen
Wow Winters TX is close to Abilene I would love to make that trip with my old rifle but its at least 10 hrs from East Texas border over there!
Mail it. If you beat my score I'll buy you a brick.
Wow Jim great offer, but I don't think I would ever hand my old rifle off to UPS, FED EX or USPS without being Like a cat on a hot tin roof the whole time it was gone! LOL @@22lrmarksmen
Hmmm....agreed, this makes a lot sense. I’m trying to decide between Lapua or Eley test facility. I’m leaning Lapua because my rifle loves sk and center-x but have only shot a couple boxes of Tenex. Any words of wisdom?
I would go to the testing center that is closest to you ! My Anschutz 64, and CZ455 loves SK LONG RANGE at 100 & 200yds. but it also loves ELEY MATCH 🤔 but not so much with ELEY TENEX 🤭 Either ammo company will give you the tightest groups after lot testing. Lot testing is the key to tighter groups not which ammo maker you think is better.
All things considered do you want to pay a premium price ie (around $5-8+)/ per box more for Eley Tenex when it shoots any better groups than most Lapua Ammo ?
When Eley talks about world Championships that Eley has won remember that is almost exclusively in the Olympics in The Biathlon ! In the last winter Olympics in Soul Korea their was know other rifle from any country represented but Anschutz and they use ELEY AMMO made in Germany 😉 Who shoots theses Olymplc rifles outside of the Olympics. 🤣
Eley has a lock on these single shot open sights target rifles which can range from $5k to over $10k+
Eley and Anschutz really push this world championship narrative to the fullest but it is a really not representative of Eley ammo for American bench-rest competition.
If you think about it that is close to false advertising of what Eley .22 ammo really is for bench rest and NRL shooting in the U. S.
Sorry for this long rant 😂😂😂
Thanks jim. Sounds like you know .22lr ammo
So did the eley you got after testing shoot better then your center X after you got home in the real world of outdoors at the range?
what where you using to cut the foam for the gun case
I shoot bulk federal in my MRk II
what tool was it you used to cut the foam with? I got a lot of foam to cut.
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Awesome video! You have a bunch of Center X for sale now? LOL.
Do you not shoot center x anymore?
Nope
I'm surprised at the results of your lija barrel. Wondering how it was installed and headspace. I was in the market for one, and after video makes me wonder.
I should note that one was brand new & one had 25,000+ rounds down the barrel. I believe new barrels don't shoot as well as broken in barrels. I've seen my old barrel do better than it did that day.
How many rounds of 22lr is a year supply for you?
JaredInBlack lately not as much. In 2015 I was shooting probably 10,000 per year.
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