Will Turkey’s Election be Free and Fair?
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On Sunday, Turkey will go to the polls to elect both their parliament and President but will Turkey’s elections will be free and fair? How much will this affect the election result?
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0:00 Intro
0:35 What is Free & Fair?
2:48 Will Turkey’s Election Be Free?
3:15 Will Turkey’s Election Be Fair?
6:03 Why Does This Matter?
Greeting from Thailand , we have elections of new house of representatives and new prime ministers in same day as Türkiye in 14th of May , I hope both of us get free and fair elections 🇹🇭🇹🇷
I thought Thailand had a King?
@@zachjones6944 Yes we are constitutional monarchy like UK we have Elected Prime Minister by People or Military coup , elected house of representatives and the military that love to stage a coup when they doesn’t like government that people elected
@Zaydan Alfariz PM are not military appointed, it appoints by joint section of the parliament that 500 members get votes by the people and 250 appointed senate by NCPO but current one are correct but next one are by election now
@Zaydan Alfariz yes but if opposition won more than 375 of seats in house of representatives military doesn’t have power to do anythings and they don’t want to stage a coup now because Thai political landscape change so much in past 9 years and 80% of people are anti-military coup or junta , so if they stage a coup the chances that the country will collapse into a civil war are very high.
The whole shares your wish, well maybe some small pockets that would disagree.
Congratulations you're finally getting Kılıçdaroğlu's name right. Something I noticed during the 2015 rerun parliamentary election after the first returned a hung parliament - if you breakdown the vote by province - then the swings to the AKP were spectacularly uneven, but frequently just enough to pick up one more MP in that particular province. If they needed 1% more votes to gain an MP, they got 1%, if they needed 12 % they got 12 % Funny that ....
which provinces you talk about? i would like to check them
The pronunciation is still quite wrong but I don't blame him
@@Cannon952 as a non turkish, yeah that name definitely seems hard to pronounce for a non turkish
@@Cannon952 He's cleared learned "Kılıçdaroğlu" but most of the other names are still kind of funny.
@@mda990 Back in autumn 2015 I was surprised how in a couple of provinces like Trabzon they gained an extra seat with only a small change in the votes and I plugged all the numbers into a spreadsheet and added the proportional seat generator formula and you could see the uneven swing with just enough votes to push them across the quota line I've never seen it mentioned anywhere else ... probably very few people were geeky enough to do the full calculation. I don't have the spreadsheet any more but it could be easily replicated.
Down with tyranny, long live freedom!
I pray that Erdogan eliminates the left wing. Allah is with us!
what freedom?? Aren't you willing to go to jannah, not voting for Erdogan is Blasphemy against allah.
TLDR, can you please cover the upcoming election in Thailand.. strong geopolitical implications
nah, its all about ukraine now. thailand or southeast asia doesnt mean shit to the west.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 yeah,they are primitive insect eaters anyway
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 this video is literally not about ukraine, please stop crying.
@@artonio5887 why do you think they care about erdogan instead of thailand?
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 because this is a British (European) channel, and Turkey is technically a part of Europe… obviously it’s more important than Thailand
Excellent coverage. You hit all the nails on the head and in 8min. These are subtle semi-authoritarian disenfranchisement strategies but they are poorly covered in mass media. So really great you covered them. And very simple and clever way to prove that courts are stacked! well done.
It's free that's certain. We - the ones live in abroad - have already voted for the elections last week. Regarding the fairness, you don't have to wait for the election day to decide that! It's already not fair. The government uses every power in their hand to campaign, including tax money. The opposition has almost no chance to appear on any main news outlets.
A few tips for pronunciation: If there is ğ, pronounce the previous letter longer e.g. İmamoğlu --> İmamoolu.
Also in Turkish c is pronounce like j in 'Jay'.
I've heard that turks who live abroad tend to vote for Erdogan because they don't live in Turkey and see what he is doing. And that Turks who live in Turkey hate Turks who live abroad because of this.
is this true?
What you think
Does opposition have any chance to win ?
@@mahive2097 yes a lot actually. While the main media can hide tons of things. They can not hide the situation of the economy. The opposition has a great chance, a better chance than the current AKP government but it's still a close call.
@@mahive2097 The opposition will get higher percentage but like if it's not over 50%, anything can happen - for the ones who don't understand what I mean, check what happened in 2015 parliamentary election, the rerun and what happened in between
It not that just that Serkan, you seeing the failure of the "Dictatorship" all over the world. Look at Pakistani the Military rules over the land. But they don't do the hard work were are the jobs, health care, and affordable cost of living for their people??? We see this in Lebanon where Hamas rules they are so clueless not funny. It no different in Argentina where the Right Wing rules in those lands.
"Could the Turkish election be rigged?" My answer is, "Is there even the smallest possibility it won't be?"
Let me guess, NATO needs to bomb them until they vote the the politicians they approve of?
It most certainly will be... Fortified
Dang 😂😂 I should have known that the USA wasn’t the only ones rigging elections .😂😂
@@winniejohnson5559 The difference is that in the US each state is responsible for its elections. Trying to get 50 groups of state gov't employees to do anything, much less in concert, and in secret is beyond naive.
@@winniejohnson5559 It's been 30 months...still waiting for that proof....and waiting.
Note, your hurt feelings aren't proof.
Well said my friend, well said. We do not want to see our country in another crisis such as political; especially after economic crisis we are already in. May God help us for upcoming days. Literally sadding, living in such uncertaintaties.
Until free and fair days...
@Zaydan Alfariz the president yes
Sorry about your prime minister
@Zaydan Alfariz Erdoğan isn’t an uncommon surname in Turkey
Forget this stupid God story. It doesn't exist and it won't help.
Teşekkürler Burcu
This election isn't just an election, its an IQ Test.
The funny thing is Turks in Germany who usually vote green or far left vote in Turkeys election's for Erdogan or far right parties
@@theranredguardist1949 im sorry you guys have to deal with them
@@kuzeydemir910 our government wants more of this kind of people, it's societal and cultural genocide we are comiting in the name of anti racism
@@theranredguardist1949 It's kinda not surprising. They're migrants in Germany so they vote for more migrant friendly parties. But they want "strong" and "Turkisch" Turkey on the world stage, so they vote right wing.
@@filiprohn1643 nah they be voting for erdogan so that their 2.000 euros could get them a 5 star hotel, so that they can buy houses with 20.000 euros.
It’ll be more fair then in USA. How the mighty have fallen.
In a word? "No"
I expect coups and counter-coups
Or another "coup"
Yep biden already said he'd interfere
@@skp8748, source?
@@TheCrimsonS4ge "My source is I made it the fuck up"
@@TheCrimsonS4ge th-cam.com/video/EAUm7-ouUdE/w-d-xo.html
The horses mouth
Great content
if Erdogan finds a chance to rig the election he definitely will try..but as an opposition, we have experienced so much about possible loopholes in the system..just main opposition party CHP assigned 200k people to monitor the voting process..with the NGOs and other opposition parties almost 500k people assigned..since Turkish election system is not digital it's also hard to make a "digital" adjustments..so if the opposition be careful it's nearly impossible to rig the election for Erdogan, like in 2019 local elections.
Probably they will try to focus "earthquake zone". they can try to give votes for "unofficial deads" in the earthquakes.
and also when you are talking about turkish elections, remember that we're not either russia or china..we have strong election history and also people love voting and watching pie charts at election nights :)
very much appreciate that y'all don't always force in 3 things, at least anymore. It was getting tiring seeing that constantly. Also, glad y'all changed the ad transition. It makes more sense than the one y'all used a few weeks back.
Short answer; no.
Long answer; Lol, no.
Exactly biden has already admitted he'd interfere
and(free,fair)=0
or(free,fair)=1
I have watched several videos of yours regarding Turkey and I want to help you out with some of the pronunciation as they come up pretty often. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is pronounced with the "c" in Recep like "j" in jet, instead of an "s" sound like in "sea". It would also sound more appropriate if you let the "g" sound out as the letter "ğ" is a softer version of g, I suggest reading it as "Erdoan" with an emphasis on "-an". The opposition leader's name also has the same letter therefore I would suggest doing the same and reading it as "Kilichdaroulu" and İmamoğlu as "İmamoulu"
It's pronounced Ertugrul Erdogan Gazee, rasool-e-sultan for Riyasat-e-ottomani.
They should call you to monitor
This is very similar to the political situation in Hungary
@Tigran-Khan Abazyan I was referring to elections not being fair, the state owning most of the media etc
Three decades, he started this project as mayor of Istanbul.
Greetings from canada!
Let this be a message to anyone who thinks they should ban ‘misinformation’
Just because a would be autocrat had a tailor made law passed in order to block the opposition doesn't mean a proper law cannot be made. Missinformation, fake news, deep fakes, opinionated "news", all should be penalized if we want to recover the press to be once again the vehicle through which an electorate can be properly informed
Now we're asking the real questions.
Good video
Within 16 hours!
It depends on who u ask. Oppositions would say not fair and the other side would say it's fair.
How can an election be free, if there are parties which are not allowed?
Which parties are exactly not allowed?
@@malxadolasanadam like, ALL the kurdish ones
@@reshuram4353 shouldn't have taken photos with known terrorists then. I'm not familiar with the previous ones, but hdp and ysp both got members related to terrorists, even so much ysp nominated a woman for mp who got photos published where he was holding weapon in the mountains next to another pkk member lol.
Most things AKP does is reprehensible, but not that. Not a single Kurdish party was able to separate themselves from pkk
@@reshuram4353 not all only one party is not allowed. And they have lots of parties. HDP is gonna be closed down and there is YSP after that. It will get the exact same number of votes so kurds are voting freely.
@@reshuram4353 bro both Coalitions have kurdish parties erdogan has an İslamist kurdish party and the opposition has a socialist kurdish party
Well, the opposition coalition has volunteers in every box. I hope they have a good election day.
You are not allowed to question the integrity of elections. Get with the program.
Please make a video on Imran Khan’s arrest in Pakistan and what it could mean for the elections
Imran khan said Turks ruled over them for 600 years in public humiliation in presence of Erdogan, they made a Muslim out his ancestors motherfrigger is bragging about it in public view.
Strange People
Could you cover the Greek election?
Nice coverage. By the way, there is a large margin between Kilicdaroglu and Erdogan in Kilicdaroglu's favour but Erdogan can use his judicial influence to deny Kilicdaroglu's first round victory if Kilicdaroglu only passes the threshold by a slight margin. But this will cause many issues for Erdogan and will ultimately lead his failure in the second round against Kilicdaroglu as the past Istanbul election experience suggests. The gap was heavily increased in Imamoglu's favour when the election result was denied by Erdogan's government. They had to leave Istanbul at the hands of Imamoglu. Otherwise, at least half portion of the Turkish people who supports the opposition might have mobilized to form street protests. Erdogan's regime is still not Iran, North Korea or Russia. They do not have sufficient legitimate tools to suppress a victorious and legitimate opposition and its overwhelming mass support.
Please cover Greece's election too
@tigran-khanabazyannot as bad of a fiasco as the Turkish elections but much more amusing given the parties and their background.
New democracy for example is led by a real sith Lord,just like his father before him.
Syriza is funded directly by putin,and it is responsible for burning a pregnant woman and her unborn child and gassed civilians yet they still pretend they are leftists.
The nationalists also funded by putin and list goes on and on,it isn't the end result but the clown opera that makes this so amusing.
I expect the same result as in Hungary last year, sadly. The elections not being fair give little or no hope.
Hopefully the cats don’t turn off the electricity again 😼
One very important point Westerners cant understand: Erdogan does not ban pro-Kurdish party because he is anti-minority, he targets HDP specifically beacuse they are not cooperating with him. He and his party are saying things like ''they are not Kurds, they do not represent Kurds''. HDP's current ties with PKK also helps this propaganda with both Turks and Kurds. Erdogan is one of the most pragmatic politicians ever, he can ally or defend any politician as long as it helps his agenda. When he lost his connection to HDP, he suffered hard times with no allies(2014-2016). Since then he is allied to both nationalists(MHP) and much more smaller but also radical-islamist pro-Kurdish party.(HÜDAPAR)
One point to prove this: Despite Kurds being around 20% of Turkey, the pro-Kurdish party can only get around %11 of the votes in election. The other Kurdish votes does not go to centre-left opposition, but Erdogan. This might change a little bit in this election.
you guys need to stop making prediction videos about turkish politics istg. the climate, strategies and ideologies changes here like hourly
edit: a candidate with about 3% votes withdrew after the ballots were pressed and abroad votes were collected. you see what i mean???
Recep isn't pronounced with an s, it's pronounced like "Redjep"
NO!
Within 62,700 views!
Could ours be?
It depends... Are they going to use the same digital system of Brazil, Buthan and Bangladesh? If so... it will
FORTIFIED...
So, it doesn't look good for the opposition.
The title of this video is a question that can be answered with two letters.
Not to mention he gave 45% raise to government workers, free gas for a month...etc
Who counts the votes?
TLDR is now like an extension of The Economist
wdym
i did not see any news about this
Correction: C in Recep is pronounced as a J in turkish. Keep up the good work !
doesn't matter Erdogan gonna win, be it C or P or X
Honestly, I work a lot with companies in Turkey and I always get this confused. Turkish might be the single most confusing of the Latin languages for someone uninitiated. So many letters don't sound how you think they should sound. Of course, no offense to anyone who is Turkish. This is just something I have noticed.
@@mattbenz99 In Turkish regardless of in what part of a word or a phrase etc they're in every letter is read in the same way as in any other case (1 way to read a letter: It's phonetic). The only reason let's say the English language natives get confused when trying to read in such phonetic languages is they expect to memorize the sounds of the words/phrases, rather than just the alphabet. So in a sense English etc are the ones with a disconnection between the sounds of the letters and the writings of the letters (as a specific example the modern/internationally used English isn't too bad but still).
So yeah, don't worry, it's equally confusing for the Turkish language natives to learn the quirks & features of the English language which suffers from the said disconnect of the sounds vs the writings of the letters in various words/phrases. :D
@@mattbenz99while you are partly right, as someone who speaks Spanish and Turkish and understands other Romance languages, I think Turkish letters have a good amount of overlap between Spanish in terms of pronunciation and, much like Spanish, the language is phonetically consistent too (if you add all the sounds of individual letters it makes up how the word sounds, unlike French for instance).
@@mattbenz99maybe you get confused bc you think it’s in the Latin language family, Turkish is not Latin, it’s Uralic-Altaic
Maybe a weird question but next wednesday (17 may) I'm going to izmir from Belgium to visit my gf again. I'll stay there untill 22 May. Does anyone know if these elections will effect the airport experience or something?
Not for coming in, but maybe for going out because Erdoğan will lose😂😂
@@aytacdenizacar7703 Do u think I'd be stuck in turkiye? Oof
no matter who wins make sure your little candidate gets some.
No
The dog is a dictator.
Can we talk about 2o20 election yet?
All I can say is it's up to turkey. Either they liked the status quo or they won't change. Either they're with NATO or not.
election == free
election != fair
Judges compensation needs to be the same as a partner in a medium sized firm. About $300,000Y, and it's based off merit, but the fact that it pays well, people who are higher academic representatives of the bar, and, this is determined by GPA in law school or whether they have a Master's degree in law, additional education, particularly in the related area of the law which the court is formed to hear disputes of, for instance, it may be prudent to have a family law master's program, one or two years of additional education, and the graduates of these programs have to qualifications to sit as judges in family law courts, and it's a good thing to do as a law school graduate because the salary is as good as a partner in a decent sized firm. For instance, if you have experience litigating family law cases and you did not make partner, you may go back to school and then get to be the judge in the family law court and make the same amount of money in the same area of law. So, I'm not interested in judges thinking they are judges when they are really politicians.
I tell you what I think it means. It means that this is the most successful democratic muslim country. There are people who know that they have limited media, and the vote and the determination of the Turks, will be to vote for less media or more. The people who support Erdogan agree with him theoretically, the issue is that his theory is flawed and they aren't allow to realize the flaws of his theory. Turkey has greatness on their horizon, and they are still the first country to approach, and they still have membership with NATO.
I am surprised you feel the need to ask.
UK's FPTP is neither Fair, nor Free.
Any election can be rugged.
Ill be surprised if erdogan doesnt have the opposition party arrested again
I think this 10th videos about Turkey 😂😂😂
Yep a big push by the west... Led by biden.
They are desperate about Erdoğan!
Well, Turkey is indeed an important country
I watch just to see TLDR News say Kılıçdaroğlu... 🤣
It can be free and fair as long as Erdpgan wins 😂
Do Thailand elections.
Recep is pronounced Rejep
Every mathematician who watched the video died at 2:36 :(
I saw that there were 599 comments, so I thought I'd make it an even 600.😊
If you ask that question, then you already know the answer.
If you have to ask, the answer is probably no
In TR, there is a transparent election system. Every ballot from counting to storing is guarded by each party member of the party which participated at least one election. Furthermore, any one can witness counting process. In other words, parties count and protect the ballots. It is not like in western countries where government officials do the job. Outcomes of each ballot has been registered and collected by every party and citizens in the room and declared by every party and the court of election online, on official documents as well as at the gate of the building where the ballot boxes were placed. In other words, you can check your ballot box after the election and see how many votes are casted and which parties get how many votes. So, there is no rigged elections in TR. In the past, there were discussions on whether to change some election rules which cause many votes wasted. I.e. if there is any sign or marking on the ballot except the official seals and stamp on the candidate section, the vote cannot be accepted as valid. They have changed it to sth "if there is any intentional damage, marking, signing on the ballot, ..." Current rules are more flexible and many of the votes would be counted as valid. This was done because some people filed complaints against some election board members of ballot boxes (of any party) who marked the ballot clandestinely to make the vote invalid. You might ask why. Because in Turkey people can guess which party you will be voting for by your appearance. Currently, if you wear mini skirts, it means you will probably vote for CHP. or if it is headscarf, probably AKP.
"Could Turkeys election be not rigged?"
always has been
dat democracy doe?
No.
Recep isn’t pronounced the way you’re pronouncing it 😭 it’s like Rejep
Bro's, wish me luck. If anyone got weapons to sell, I'll need some for the civil war.
Its not both words that are "fuzzy". You litterally just described what a free election is. Its one where everyone who should vote can vote for anyone they want. The whole concept of "fair" elections is just there to limit otherwise dominant political movements, which arent always liberal, by splitting the electorate and making it harder to pass laws.
You could define a fair election as one where everyone who wants to run can run from any platform they want and that they are represented accordingly. But by that metric you only really had free and fair elections in weimar germany (and we all know how that went so this cant be the goal of the UN).
No, fair means that there is some modicum of being able to present your political ideal to the public. Unfair is, when the current party in power controls most means of communication and decides that only their position and political ideals are broadcast and shown in a positive light. Also they can pass laws that make it difficult or even illegal for dissenting political views to be heard. That would be understandable if your political opponents are actual Nazis who call for ethnic cleansing and racial purity, but gets real suspect when it's only you political opponent who has different views on the economy and calls for a independent judiciary and a free press.
Fairness is also a metric. An election can be more or less fair. Seldom is one totally fair or totally unfair, at least as long as there is any real democratic process (that's the "free" part)
Turkey or Türkiye and Hungary are both cases where the ruling party and person is so long in power, that they were able to consolidate that power by encroaching evermore on the free press and an independent judiciary.
And Weimar Germany maybe had free and fair elections, but the Nazis received help by big industrialists who were more afraid of communism than they were of somebody like Hitler, go figure. Also, the Reichspräsident being only voted for every 7 years wasn't very good, Hindenburg did play another part in Hitlers accession. And the first thing Hitler did in power was to put an end to free and fair elections. He knew he didn't want to risk having another election at all.
By the way: Splitting the electorate (what you said is unfair) is exactly what Erdoğan wants to do, he thinks other candidates than Kılıçdaroğlu will split the vote so it goes to a runoff election, where he believes he has better chances.
Hope ed doesn’t pull a Putin
How could this effect Turkey's NATO membership? What if turkey falls afoul of Article 2?
Article 2
The Parties will contribute toward the further development of peaceful and friendly international relations by strengthening their free institutions, by bringing about a better understanding of the principles upon which these institutions are founded, and by promoting conditions of stability and well-being. They will seek to eliminate conflict in their international economic policies and will encourage economic collaboration between any or all of them.
No. Not only is there no mechanism to kick a country out of NATO.
NATO is a military alliance, Nobody is going to kick out the country which controls the sea of Marmara out of NATO. It would be strategic stupidity to do so.
Your dislike for Turkish politics is irrelevant.
It's *really* complicated.
NATO started as a Military alliance, but I think it'd be niave to claim that NATO is _not political_ at this point.
NATO was very much created within the mentality of the Cold War, with it's foundations being established on anti-communism, anti-dictatorship, and pro-Western, as evidenced in article 2.
That being said, the Military aspect cannot be ignored, and Turkey is absolutely critical in terms of Strategic placement and geoplotical position. Turkey has been a crucial bridge between the East and West that the loss of would be painful for NATO.
And of course, NATO doesn't have any system for kicking members out. This strife is unprecedented and solidarity is central to NATO, if a country can be kicked out of NATO, the organisations sense of solidarity and reliablity may be called into question.
Of course, on the same coin Article 5 relies on the idea that every NATO country would be willing to defend each other, no exceptions, and Turkey's trustworthiness is largely threatening that.
Overall, Turkey's shenanigans are bad for NATO, whether we decide to kick them out or not. Either options hurts NATO'S solidarity.
@@oriontigley5089 cursed option: kick turkey out of nato and invade it to create a new state in around marmara
I can help you pronounce Kılıçdaroğlu's name. Kill - itch - dar (like jar) - og (like egg) - lou, punctuating JAR, killichdAroglou
first you said erdogan will lose and now you got butthurt and question the election
Duh 🙄
Lot of people on here complaining that the presenter is pronoucing Turkish names wrong. Well he's not Turkish so guess what, he's going to get the pronounciation wrong.
Get over it
One word answer: no.
so this channel may be free but not fair in its opinions?
How is it even a question? Of course it'll be less than free and fair. Didn't he just round up a lot of the opposition a few years back?
Nope. Gulenist aren't opposition
@@skp8748 yeah along those gulenist he rounded up the opposition too, many people who had nothing to do w gulen got rounded up epecialy in the military, ergenekon included he destroyed the secular turksih scene
In Greece we have free elections but unfair. Especially this election will be the most unfairness since the first 8n 1974.
Is this a Nato Country or a middle eastern country? i wonder how
What do you know about free and fair ?
no it wont be free and fair because he will make every kind of fraud.
Isn't it time you guys learn how to say Recep after the 20th video covering Turkish matters. The 'c' in turkish is pronounced like a 'j' in English.
Weird: In the thumbnails the video title is "Could Turkey´s elections be rigged?". When you klick on it it switches to "Will Turkey´s Election be Free and Fair?". Why the switch? Klicbait? Does TLDR need this?
How are elections not free in Hungary? I don't think the situation is much better electoraly in the west.
Lol😂
I'm not sure. The old Soviet system had a rule where candidates needed to be elected by a majority of eligible voters. You could go into the booth a cross the name off or just stay home. Occasionally, there had to be a new election. So those elections were fair but not free.
no it wont be fair 🤣🤣 hes going to make some kind of excuse
Could? its been a running gag for decades now.
What's this channel's obsession with Turkey? It's supposed to be global.
Well, it's only fair that they aren't really fair.
Turkey follows "divide and rule" model like Russia and many others.
The actual democracy can only exist in chaos. When there's no chaos, people just abuse the mechanisms to control the opinions.
Divide and Rule model implies having one big party with stable support and many smaller ones which would divide the opposition. In the end, even if opposition is stronger - the big brother would win. You can also make people to believe that elections are already pre-determinated and "your vote" won't matter.
More advanced models (like American) would try to control the opinions of their people via social engineering. What you can see or listen to, what you cannot... what's morally correct and what's not. The impact caused by communism, theocracy and national-socialism was immense. The "experience" is still being used by this day.
Sadly, the actual democracy is an expensive thing. It needs chaos, it needs war, it needs constant struggle.
When the democracies were born in Europe, it were merchants fighting nobles for power, then nobles fighting the king for the same thing. They would gather their supporters and fight of their wellbeing. Right now, however, most people in EU, Euroasia and Far East live a pretty normal lives. People really don't care who's their leader as long as they have plenty of food on the table in an apartment they own. They would just stick with however is currently in power for the "stability".
I could fear other aspiring authoritarian Govts (cough) could learn lesson!
Sure. Eliminate elections.
So what nato country right now doesn't say trust everything we say and disbelieve anything we don't say
The same happened in Brazilian 2022 elections.